History YMMV / TalesofSymphonia

8th Sep '17 11:10:47 PM SpaceDrake
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** Is Lloyd an idealistic young man who thinks everyone deserves to live, but has to fight others despite wanting to protect them? Or is he a filthy hypocrite who says everyone deserves to live while also killing half-elves left, right and center? ''Or'' is the game just [[GameplayAndStorySegregation really bad about separating out incapacitating sentient being versus killing them]] in the battle engine, something later games seemed to try to address?

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** Is Lloyd an idealistic young man who thinks everyone deserves to live, but has to fight others despite wanting to protect them? Or is he a filthy hypocrite who says everyone deserves to live while also killing half-elves left, right and center? ''Or'' is the game just [[GameplayAndStorySegregation really bad about separating out incapacitating sentient being beings versus killing them]] in the battle engine, something later games seemed to try to address?
2nd Sep '17 5:11:22 PM Javer
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** In a series of cutscenes starting atop [[spoiler:the Tower of Salvation]] on disk 2, characters start pulling a comical number of TakingTheBullet dives in rapid order. Every other minute somebody's hurling themselves across the screen, turning back-to-back [[WhamLine plot twists]] into a total farce.

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** In a series of cutscenes starting atop [[spoiler:the Tower of Salvation]] on disk 2, characters start the cast starts pulling a comical number of TakingTheBullet dives in rapid order. Every other minute Each time is supposed to show how much Character A cares for Character B; but the shot is so overused that somebody's hurling themselves across the screen, screen every other minute, turning back-to-back [[WhamLine plot twists]] into a total farce.
2nd Sep '17 5:08:53 PM Javer
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** In a series of cutscenes starting atop [[spoiler:the Tower of Salvation]] on disk 2, characters start pulling a comical number of TakingTheBullet dives in rapid order. Every other minute somebody's hurling themselves across the screen, turning back-to-back [[WhamLine plot twists]] into a total farce.
24th Aug '17 3:04:19 PM simonscot
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mithos tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]]. Some also like the incest tones and "whiny" nature as it shows how insane he is.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mithos [[spoiler: Mithos]] tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]]. Some also like the incest tones and "whiny" nature as it shows how insane he is.



** Just before the final boss fight with [[spoiler:Mithos]], during the cut-scene, if you advance ''any'' of the dialogue before the audio finishes playing, then when the boss [[spoiler:changes into his young form]] he'll glitch out for the rest of the cut-scene. He will just stand there, talking to you, mouth not moving, arms lifeless, body totally inert.

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** Just before the final boss fight with [[spoiler:Mithos]], [[spoiler: Mithos]], during the cut-scene, if you advance ''any'' of the dialogue before the audio finishes playing, then when the boss [[spoiler:changes into his young form]] he'll glitch out for the rest of the cut-scene. He will just stand there, talking to you, mouth not moving, arms lifeless, body totally inert.



** Referring to Mithos Yggdrasill as Disco Lord Yggdrasil, due to his ''fabulous'' white bodysuit.

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** Referring to Mithos [[spoiler: Mithos]] Yggdrasill as Disco Lord Yggdrasil, due to his ''fabulous'' white bodysuit.



*** There's also the scene where Yuan is on the ground and Mithos proceeds to kick him and do an EvilLaugh. It's totally hilarious if you don't continue, and Mithos just keeps kicking Yuan while he's down. The icing on the cake is Lloyd in his idle pose like he's thinking, "Huh, so that's how gravity works..." It's massive spoilers but it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwfQNOSgUk&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0XVBQtMzyGmF_MW2Va3yZPs&index=39&nohtml5=False in this video.]]

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*** There's also the scene where Yuan is on the ground and Mithos [[spoiler: Mithos]] proceeds to kick him and do an EvilLaugh. It's totally hilarious if you don't continue, and Mithos [[spoiler: Mithos]] just keeps kicking Yuan while he's down. The icing on the cake is Lloyd in his idle pose like he's thinking, "Huh, so that's how gravity works..." It's massive spoilers but it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwfQNOSgUk&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0XVBQtMzyGmF_MW2Va3yZPs&index=39&nohtml5=False in this video.]]
23rd Aug '17 11:22:51 PM SpaceDrake
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** Is Lloyd an idealistic young man who thinks everyone deserves to live, but has to fight others despite wanting to protect them? Or is he a filthy hypocrite who says everyone deserves to live while also killing half-elves left, right and center?
** In the minor character column, [[spoiler:Zelos' mother falls into this, especially those enigmatic last words of hers. Was she full of bitter resentment that Zelos was even born, thus leading to her murder? Was she instead overwhelmed by sadness due to what she knew he would continue to face after her death, and thus honestly wished he hadn't been born into a life destined for constant pain? Did she maybe not get the entire sentence out - maybe she meant "born ''as a Chosen''"? Zelos assumes the first interpretation, but he's not the most reliable judge. And throwing fire on all this, ''[[AllThereInTheManual secondary sources]]'' can't even seem to agree - some of the guidebooks and whatnot seem to agree with Zelos' assessment, but the manga version ''strongly'' suggests the second interpretation due to a noted-in-text lack of malice in the line's delivery, along with how she seemed to deliberately TakeTheBullet for him.]]

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** Is Lloyd an idealistic young man who thinks everyone deserves to live, but has to fight others despite wanting to protect them? Or is he a filthy hypocrite who says everyone deserves to live while also killing half-elves left, right and center?
center? ''Or'' is the game just [[GameplayAndStorySegregation really bad about separating out incapacitating sentient being versus killing them]] in the battle engine, something later games seemed to try to address?
** In the minor character column, [[spoiler:Zelos' mother falls into this, especially those enigmatic last words of hers. Was she full of bitter resentment that Zelos was even born, thus leading to her murder? Was she instead overwhelmed by sadness due to what she knew he would continue to face after her death, and thus honestly wished he hadn't been born into a life destined for constant pain? Did she maybe not get the entire sentence out - maybe she meant "born ''as a Chosen''"? Zelos assumes the first interpretation, but he's not the most reliable judge. And throwing fire on all this, ''[[AllThereInTheManual secondary sources]]'' can't even seem to agree - some of the guidebooks and whatnot seem to agree with Zelos' assessment, but the manga version ''strongly'' suggests the second interpretation due to a noted-in-text lack of malice in the line's delivery, along with how she seemed to deliberately TakeTheBullet [[TakingTheBullet take the metaphorical bullet]] for him.]]
25th Jul '17 9:19:36 AM mario0987
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mithos tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mithos tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]]. Some also like the incest tones and "whiny" nature as it shows how insane he is.



** Hello, Dwarven Vows; "Goodness and love will always win!"

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** Hello, Dwarven Vows; "Goodness and love will always win!"win!" At least this one gets lampshaded.



* TheScrappy: Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who is first seen antagonising the Desians by refusing to sell cheap Gels to them, then later on she's kidnapped and when the group try to rescue her, she throws it back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble. She refuses to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch due to her stubbornness, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help. She does call fellow [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] the Mayor of Iselia out when he complains about Lloyd, Genis and the others stopping in Iselia, which might be intended as a RescuedFromtheScrappyHeap, but to a lot of players it's too little, too late.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
** The Mayor of Iselia, mostly for being a huge jerk after the party return to Iselia. He tries to uphold the ban he placed on Lloyd and Genis and part of the reason for throwing Genis out is because [[spoiler: he is a Half-elf]]. He also shows NoSympathy for Colette, who was just shot by the leader of the Iselia Ranch, because she has not performed the World Regeneration yet despite the fact the party had just saved everyone in the Iselia Ranch and he shows a similar lack of concern for the people they saved (even implying he wanted to throw them out as well). Thankfully the other villagers and Chocolat tell him where to go.
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Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who is first seen antagonising the Desians by refusing to sell cheap Gels to them, then later on she's kidnapped and when the group try to rescue her, she throws it back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble. She refuses to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch due to her stubbornness, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help. She does call fellow [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] the Mayor of Iselia out when he complains about Lloyd, Genis and the others stopping in Iselia, which might be intended as a RescuedFromtheScrappyHeap, but to a lot of players it's too little, too late.


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** A side quest has you looking for four little girls. One of the girls, Jo, has a sprite that makes her look like a boy. She even says she is impressed you found her and thought she was a girl.
24th Jun '17 5:43:07 PM AuraWielder
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** However, later official patches helped remedy the issues, including dropping the DRM.
8th Jun '17 8:50:59 PM nombretomado
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** Zelos has ranked in the top 10 of every single official popularity poll BandaiNamcoEntertainment has done except for the seventh poll (in which he ranked in 11th place).

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** Zelos has ranked in the top 10 of every single official popularity poll BandaiNamcoEntertainment Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment has done except for the seventh poll (in which he ranked in 11th place).
4th Jun '17 5:56:01 AM Ominae
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** Zelos has ranked in the top 10 of every single official popularity poll NamcoBandai has done except for the seventh poll (in which he ranked in 11th place).

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** Zelos has ranked in the top 10 of every single official popularity poll NamcoBandai BandaiNamcoEntertainment has done except for the seventh poll (in which he ranked in 11th place).
4th May '17 4:09:51 PM AuraXtreme
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** During one skit, Raine claims that 'spicy cake would be a breakthrough'. [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild One hundred years after the Great Calamity]], Hyrule has made the same breakthrough.
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