History YMMV / TalesofSymphonia

23rd Jun '16 12:59:07 AM CyrenaPeleman
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: So, it turns out [[spoiler: Kratos is Lloyd's biological father.]] He never interacts with the adoptive father, Dirk. The OVA series did have a brief scene of them discussing [[spoiler: Kratos exiling himself to Derris-Kharlan]] in the last episode. Think about the potential for them to talk about how Lloyd was raised, how he grew up, and more depth into Dirk's decision to adopt a human boy (since a dwarf will most likely outlive him and might not understand human customs as well). The game already puts heavy Foreshadowing and emphasis on fatherhood. (Remiel and Colette, Kilia and Dorr, anyone?)
22nd Jun '16 7:29:42 PM nombretomado
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** Another weird coincidence; in Sybak, [[TigerAndBunny you can purchase a sword called "Kotetsu" literally right next to the place where you find the recipe for Fried Rice.]] The vice-chief of Mizuho also bears a little resemblance to Kotetsu - and best of all, his name is ''Tiga.''

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** Another weird coincidence; in Sybak, [[TigerAndBunny [[Anime/TigerAndBunny you can purchase a sword called "Kotetsu" literally right next to the place where you find the recipe for Fried Rice.]] The vice-chief of Mizuho also bears a little resemblance to Kotetsu - and best of all, his name is ''Tiga.''
4th Jun '16 10:31:30 PM nombretomado
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The ''Chronicles'' re-release gets this a bit due to all new features that weren't in the PS2 version being largely superficial. Particular points of contention are the lack of Free Run, and the preservation of the spell queue[[note]]The game's inability to show the animations of two mid or high level spells at a time.[[/note]], the latter of which was only in the original version due to technical limitations.
** And that it runs at 30 fps (because the PS2 version did), while the [=GameCube=] version from ''10 years ago'' ran at 60.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The ''Chronicles'' re-release gets this a bit due to all new features that weren't in the PS2 [=PS2=] version being largely superficial. Particular points of contention are the lack of Free Run, and the preservation of the spell queue[[note]]The game's inability to show the animations of two mid or high level spells at a time.[[/note]], the latter of which was only in the original version due to technical limitations.
** And that it runs at 30 fps (because the PS2 [=PS2=] version did), while the [=GameCube=] version from ''10 years ago'' ran at 60.
29th May '16 7:07:56 PM nombretomado
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* SequelDisplacement: In America especially, this is probably the first Tales game many people played and is the most well-known. It's also the first game in the series to sell over a million copies. It gets to the point that a lot of fans forget that ''Destiny'' and ''Destiny II/Eternia'' even got releases outside of Japan, or that a lot of ''Symphonia'''s mechanical and plot elements appeared in embryonic form in ''Eternia''.[[note]]The tiny print runs the PS1 games got sure don't help matters, but...[[/note]]

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* SequelDisplacement: In America especially, this is probably the first Tales game many people played and is the most well-known. It's also the first game in the series to sell over a million copies. It gets to the point that a lot of fans forget that ''Destiny'' and ''Destiny II/Eternia'' even got releases outside of Japan, or that a lot of ''Symphonia'''s mechanical and plot elements appeared in embryonic form in ''Eternia''.[[note]]The tiny print runs the PS1 [=PS1=] games got sure don't help matters, but...[[/note]]
25th May '16 5:57:17 PM nombretomado
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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero -- the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a PS3 port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidquest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.
** One funny bug that's manifested in at least the PS3 and Steam versions is the "dirty Sheena" bug, wherein if the player takes the "hard path" first and meets Sheena in the newly destroyed Luin, her character model will still be in its "dirty" state even after moments when it would have been cleaned up in the original version. The bug sorts itself out if you change her title to an alternate costume title and back but is otherwise kept on generally so that serious moments are Narmed up a bit by Sheena looking like she hasn't had a bath in forever.

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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero -- the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a PS3 [=PS3=] port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidquest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.
** One funny bug that's manifested in at least the PS3 [=PS3=] and Steam versions is the "dirty Sheena" bug, wherein if the player takes the "hard path" first and meets Sheena in the newly destroyed Luin, her character model will still be in its "dirty" state even after moments when it would have been cleaned up in the original version. The bug sorts itself out if you change her title to an alternate costume title and back but is otherwise kept on generally so that serious moments are Narmed up a bit by Sheena looking like she hasn't had a bath in forever.



* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the PS3 version.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the PS3 [=PS3=] version.
18th May '16 5:59:46 PM rjd1922
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* HilariousInHindsight: A bunch of completely ''unintentional'' examples, to boot:

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* HilariousInHindsight: A bunch of completely ''unintentional'' examples, to boot:HilariousInHindsight:
15th May '16 8:08:34 AM CyrenaPeleman
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** During one of their training sessions, Lloyd compares Kratos to an older brother. Coming from Lloyd, its genuine acknowledgement over how he appreciates Kratos' lessons. [[spoiler: Kratos knows full well that Lloyd is actually his son. Imagine how awkward it must feel to have your son compare you to a brother, especially after you've already been trapped in the same youthful body for 4000 years.]]


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** Lloyd's mother, [[TheGhost Anna Irving]], was Kvar's precious Angelus Project, an attempt at making a Cruxis Crystal from a human host. He wouldn't stop chasing her after she escaped the ranch with [[spoiler: Kratos and their son.]] He turns her into a monster and [[spoiler: begs for Kratos to kill her to protect their child.]]
11th Apr '16 10:14:48 PM CyrenaPeleman
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** In a skit, Lloyd also says he avenged his mother after killing Kvar, even after Kratos points out his father actually killed her. [[spoiler: It turns out ''Kratos'' is said father.]] It's also one of the rare moments he actually has a "sad" expression on his portrait.
11th Apr '16 2:10:16 PM CyrenaPeleman
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*** There's also the scene where Yuan is on the ground and Mithos proceeds to kick him and do an EvilLaugh. It's totally hilarious if you don't continue, and Mithos just keeps kicking Yuan while he's down. The icing on the cake is Lloyd in his idle pose like he's thinking, "Huh, so that's how gravity works..." It's massive spoilers but it can be seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luwfQNOSgUk&list=PLAV-xzjVBR0XVBQtMzyGmF_MW2Va3yZPs&index=39&nohtml5=False in this video.]]



* RonTheDeathEater: Collette gets a lot of this treatment in Lloyd/Sheena fanfiction. Sheena does in Lloyd/Colette fanfiction.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Collette Colette gets a lot of this treatment in Lloyd/Sheena fanfiction. Sheena does in Lloyd/Colette fanfiction.
3rd Mar '16 2:41:15 AM TheomanZero
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* Hypocrite: Sheena often gets mad at Zelos for making sexist remarks, but we get this statement from her at Palmacosta:

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* Hypocrite: {{Hypocrite}}: Sheena often gets mad at Zelos for making sexist remarks, but we get this statement from her at Palmacosta:
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