History YMMV / TalesofSymphonia

17th Mar '17 5:18:18 AM secretfan14
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** Colette, in spades: Cute face: check. Small, delicate body: Check. {{Dojikko}}: Check. Adorable voice, courtesy of Creator/NanaMizuki in Japanese and Heather Hogan-Watson in English: OOOOOH! Soooo check! TheWoobie as big as you can get: CHECK, CHECK, CHECK!

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** Colette, in spades: Cute face: check. Small, delicate body: Check. {{Dojikko}}: [[CuteClumsyGirl Adorably clumsy]]: Check. Adorable voice, courtesy of Creator/NanaMizuki in Japanese and Heather Hogan-Watson in English: OOOOOH! Soooo check! TheWoobie as big as you can get: CHECK, CHECK, CHECK!
7th Feb '17 10:09:41 PM BigKlingy
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** One of Lloyd's possibly KO quotes is "Sorry... dad..." If this occurs if he's KO'd by [[spoiler: Kratos, after you know their relationship]]...yeah.
4th Feb '17 3:33:29 PM TheLuckyCat
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** Then there's Rodyle in his hideous green poncho and Elton John sunglasses.



** Corrine comforting Sheena and promising to protect her should Volt go berserk...[[spoiler: which he does, and Volt electrocutes him to death.]]



** The Pope crossed it pre-story when he decreed all half-elves who break the law are to be punished by death, then you find out [[spoiler: his ''daughter'' is a half-elf, and he specifically says he initially opposed the anti half-elf laws but became disturbed over how Kate never seems to age.]]



** [[LetsGetDangerous "Annoying!"]], which means Sheena just hit Overlimit and can now summon a Summon Spirit and ''tear shit up''.



** In the Devil's Arm sidequest, once you defeat [[spoiler: Abyssion]], Genis cremates the body with a fireball and Presea earns the title "Empty Shell" ...while the same [[MoodWhiplash cheery jingle]] you get with every title plays up.



* TheScrappy: Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who throws in back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble, refusing to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help.

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* TheScrappy: Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who is first seen antagonising the Desians by refusing to sell cheap Gels to them, then later on she's kidnapped and when the group try to rescue her, she throws in it back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble, refusing Marble. She refuses to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch, ranch due to her stubbornness, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help. She does call fellow [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] the Mayor of Iselia out when he complains about Lloyd, Genis and the others stopping in Iselia, which might be intended as a RescuedFromtheScrappyHeap, but to a lot of players it's too little, too late.



** The Ice Temple and Welgaia are no cakewalk if you don't like sliding puzzles.

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** The Ice Temple and Welgaia are no cakewalk if you don't like sliding puzzles. Plus in the Ice Temple you're required to fight certain opponents so you can get the Penguinist Gloves, which you need to be able to pick Celsius' Tear.



** Sheena - she was abandoned in "The forest of death" by her birth parents, then the Chief of Mizuho adopted her. Then she was sent back and forth to Meltokio and Sybak to become a Summoner. (Lloyd even lampshades that they treated her like a bargaining chip.) Then at seven years old, [[spoiler: she fails to control Volt, who goes berserk and kills a quarter of Mizuho's population and puts her father-figure in a coma]], which much of the village (including [[spoiler: her childhood friend Kuchinawa]]) still blame her for. Then she's forced to go to Sylvarant to kill Colette, but can't go through with it when she sees the state Sylvarant is in, causing [[spoiler: Kuchinawa]] to attempt to get revenge on her, and then she is forced to attempt to make a pact with Volt, only for him to go berserk again and [[spoiler: kill her lifelong friend, Corrine.]] All this puts her squarely in Woobie territory.

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** Sheena - she was abandoned in "The forest of death" by her birth parents, then the Chief of Mizuho adopted her.her, [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer but she was never really accepted in Mizuho because she is not a native by birth]]. Then she was sent back and forth to Meltokio and Sybak to become a Summoner. (Lloyd even lampshades that they treated her like a bargaining chip.) Then at seven years old, [[spoiler: she fails to control Volt, who goes berserk and kills a quarter of Mizuho's population and puts her father-figure in a coma]], which much of the village (including [[spoiler: her childhood friend Kuchinawa]]) still blame her for. Then she's forced to go to Sylvarant to kill Colette, but can't go through with it when she sees the state Sylvarant is in, causing [[spoiler: Kuchinawa]] to attempt to get revenge on her, and then she is forced to attempt to make a pact with Volt, only for him to go berserk again and [[spoiler: kill her lifelong friend, Corrine.]] All this puts her squarely in Woobie territory.



** There's also Kate, who is pretty much constantly treated like garbage, because as a half-elf in Tethe'alla, she's designated to working in a lab and is not permitted to leave, ever. Then when she saves Presea, she's arrested for treason and sentenced to death. When the party rescues he, she hides out in the destroyed Ozette and reveals [[spoiler: she's the Pope's daughter, who created the anti-half elf laws in the fist place.]]

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** There's also Kate, who is pretty much constantly treated like garbage, because as a half-elf in Tethe'alla, she's designated to working in a lab and is not permitted to leave, ever. Then when she saves Presea, she's arrested for treason and sentenced to death. When the party rescues he, she hides out in the destroyed Ozette and reveals [[spoiler: she's the Pope's daughter, who created the anti-half elf laws in the fist place.]]]] In an optional sidequest, she's then tricked into posing as Princess Hilda and drugged in order for [[spoiler: the Pope]] to try and get close enough to kill Zelos. Though it fails, he abandons her once again, leading her to end up hiding out as Zelos' house (of all places} for refuge.
** Aisha in Asgard, who is picked to be a sacrifice for the (fake) Summon Spirit of Wind, and it's implied she was selected because she and her brother Linar hang out with a half-elf.
15th Jan '17 7:14:22 PM Klavice
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** [[spoiler: Remiel]] crosses it when he [[spoiler: makes Colette into Martel's vessel with no remorse, or care that he is essentially erasing her from existance, and that everything the party learned was all a lie. It is ''satisfying'' to see the bastard get the death by Kratos he deserves.]]
12th Jan '17 4:53:53 PM AuraXtreme
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** On a NewGamePlus, you can choose to carry over your artes and usage. If you have Genis set for his Technical path, this means you can carry over [[ShockAndAwe Indignation]]... and if you've used it more than 50 times, this means you are effectively carrying over over his [[LimitBreak Mystic Arte]], ''Indignation Judgement''. It does require Over Limit to use (which Genis appears to be locked out of until he has his Exsphere), and this means that you're going to have to control him yourself since Genis' AI knows full well he's a SquishyWizard, but that's still a Mystic Arte as early as ''Triet''.
17th Dec '16 9:35:00 AM moongalleon22
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** In the minor character column, [[spoiler:Zelos' mother falls into this, especially those enigmatic last words of hers. Was she full of bitter resentment that Zelos was even born, thus leading to her murder? Was she instead overwhelmed by sadness due to what she knew he would continue to face after her death, and thus honestly wished he hadn't been born into a life destined for constant pain? Did she maybe not get the entire sentence out - maybe she meant "born ''as a Chosen''"? Zelos assumes the first interpretation, but he's not the most reliable judge. And throwing fire on all this, ''[[AllThereInTheManual secondary sources]]'' can't even seem to agree - some of the guidebooks and whatnot seem to agree with Zelos' assessment, but the manga version ''strongly'' suggests the second interpretation due to a noted-in-text lack of malice in the line's delivery.]]

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** In the minor character column, [[spoiler:Zelos' mother falls into this, especially those enigmatic last words of hers. Was she full of bitter resentment that Zelos was even born, thus leading to her murder? Was she instead overwhelmed by sadness due to what she knew he would continue to face after her death, and thus honestly wished he hadn't been born into a life destined for constant pain? Did she maybe not get the entire sentence out - maybe she meant "born ''as a Chosen''"? Zelos assumes the first interpretation, but he's not the most reliable judge. And throwing fire on all this, ''[[AllThereInTheManual secondary sources]]'' can't even seem to agree - some of the guidebooks and whatnot seem to agree with Zelos' assessment, but the manga version ''strongly'' suggests the second interpretation due to a noted-in-text lack of malice in the line's delivery.delivery, along with how she seemed to deliberately TakeTheBullet for him.]]
15th Dec '16 9:33:00 PM Hyze
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**The duel against [[spoiler: Kuchinawa]] is a huge pain no matter what difficulty you're on. You're forced to send Sheena in solo, which already makes the fight difficult for players that aren't used to playing as her. Furthermore the boss uses a combination of melee and ranged attacks, attacks very quickly and is difficult to stagger whereas he can stagger you with a single blow. Add the inability to use items for this fight onto all of that and you've got one of the toughest and annoying fights in the game. The good news is that winning is optional, but the good ending to this side quest is far more gratifying for Sheena's character and can net you some affection points with her.
10th Oct '16 2:55:41 PM TheLuckyCat
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* TheScrappy: Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who throws in back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble, refusing to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help.



** Raine also has it bad- [[spoiler: she and her parents were thrown out of the Elven village]], then her incredible intellect meant she was pursued relentlessly by Sybak's Imperial Research Academy to "get their hands" on her (and [[KickTheDog considering the way they treat half-elves]]...), [[spoiler: she falls off a boat and almost drowns as she tries to escape from them with her parents]], resulting in her having a permanent fear of water. [[spoiler: Then her mother is forced to abandon a young Raine and newborn Genis at the Otherworld Gate.]] They make it through there, forcing Raine to raise Genis herself and hide their true heritage from everyone in Iselia to avoid persecution. Ouch.

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** Raine also has it bad- [[spoiler: she and her parents were thrown out of the Elven village]], then her incredible intellect meant she was pursued relentlessly by Sybak's Imperial Research Academy to "get their hands" on her (and [[KickTheDog considering the way they treat half-elves]]...), [[spoiler: she falls off a boat and almost drowns as she tries to escape from them with her parents]], resulting in her having a permanent fear of water. [[spoiler: Then her mother is forced to abandon a young Raine and newborn Genis at the Otherworld Gate.]] They make it through there, forcing Raine to [[PromotionToParent raise Genis herself herself]] and hide their true heritage from everyone in Iselia to avoid persecution. Ouch.


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** There's also Kate, who is pretty much constantly treated like garbage, because as a half-elf in Tethe'alla, she's designated to working in a lab and is not permitted to leave, ever. Then when she saves Presea, she's arrested for treason and sentenced to death. When the party rescues he, she hides out in the destroyed Ozette and reveals [[spoiler: she's the Pope's daughter, who created the anti-half elf laws in the fist place.]]
26th Sep '16 5:11:58 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].

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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''.'''14 minutes'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].
22nd Aug '16 10:44:17 AM Eyeshield
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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].


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** Lloyd's DuelBattle with [[spoiler: Kratos]].
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