History YMMV / TalesofSymphonia

10th Oct '16 2:55:41 PM TheLuckyCat
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* TheScrappy: Chocolat, mainly for being a DamselInDistress who throws in back in the group's face when Magnius reveals that Lloyd was the one responsible for killing Marble, refusing to listen even when Genis tries to explain that Lloyd was trying to ''save'' her. She ends up at the Iselia ranch, and even when the party show up a second time to rescue her, she's still ungrateful towards Lloyd when she is rescued. Her really annoying voice doesn't help.



** Raine also has it bad- [[spoiler: she and her parents were thrown out of the Elven village]], then her incredible intellect meant she was pursued relentlessly by Sybak's Imperial Research Academy to "get their hands" on her (and [[KickTheDog considering the way they treat half-elves]]...), [[spoiler: she falls off a boat and almost drowns as she tries to escape from them with her parents]], resulting in her having a permanent fear of water. [[spoiler: Then her mother is forced to abandon a young Raine and newborn Genis at the Otherworld Gate.]] They make it through there, forcing Raine to raise Genis herself and hide their true heritage from everyone in Iselia to avoid persecution. Ouch.

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** Raine also has it bad- [[spoiler: she and her parents were thrown out of the Elven village]], then her incredible intellect meant she was pursued relentlessly by Sybak's Imperial Research Academy to "get their hands" on her (and [[KickTheDog considering the way they treat half-elves]]...), [[spoiler: she falls off a boat and almost drowns as she tries to escape from them with her parents]], resulting in her having a permanent fear of water. [[spoiler: Then her mother is forced to abandon a young Raine and newborn Genis at the Otherworld Gate.]] They make it through there, forcing Raine to [[PromotionToParent raise Genis herself herself]] and hide their true heritage from everyone in Iselia to avoid persecution. Ouch.


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** There's also Kate, who is pretty much constantly treated like garbage, because as a half-elf in Tethe'alla, she's designated to working in a lab and is not permitted to leave, ever. Then when she saves Presea, she's arrested for treason and sentenced to death. When the party rescues he, she hides out in the destroyed Ozette and reveals [[spoiler: she's the Pope's daughter, who created the anti-half elf laws in the fist place.]]
26th Sep '16 5:11:58 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].

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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''.'''14 minutes'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].
22nd Aug '16 10:44:17 AM Eyeshield
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** Even worse, a modder named Durante released a fix which made the game look much better... And it only took '''[[TheyJustDidntCare 14 minutes]]'''. And even WORSE than that [[SkewedPriorities they had time to put in a DRM file, but not those fourteen minutes to fix the game]].


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** Lloyd's DuelBattle with [[spoiler: Kratos]].
16th Aug '16 2:33:43 PM MightyKombat
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** The [=PS2=] version onward removed the skill tree glitch, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xm5HZuLh-Y but one REALLY useful glitch]] somehow slipped by them. By moving the cursor around the artes menu in a certain way, you can scroll PAST the menu and into an almost entirely complete collection of artes for everyone including some DummiedOut ones. But the best part of this glitch is being able to find Mystic Artes in this magic glitched menu, ''[[UpToEleven being able to map them to a single button]] and being able to perform them at any time regardless of requirements.'' And since you can spam spell-based Mystic Artes, this means great things for Genis, Raine and Zelos. Furthermore it still allows yout o map spells from the opposite skill tree, making a great replacement for the skill tree glitch.
7th Aug '16 7:30:56 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Mithos tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Mithos tends to have this effect. On one hand, many players love him for being the EvilCounterpart to Lloyd, and how threatening he is when first introduced. Others hate him for the rather awkward incestual tones he has about his sister, and also hate how "whiny" and boring he is compared to later antagonists like [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Van]].
23rd Jun '16 12:59:07 AM CyrenaPeleman
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: So, it turns out [[spoiler: Kratos is Lloyd's biological father.]] He never interacts with the adoptive father, Dirk. The OVA series did have a brief scene of them discussing [[spoiler: Kratos exiling himself to Derris-Kharlan]] in the last episode. Think about the potential for them to talk about how Lloyd was raised, how he grew up, and more depth into Dirk's decision to adopt a human boy (since a dwarf will most likely outlive him and might not understand human customs as well). The game already puts heavy Foreshadowing and emphasis on fatherhood. (Remiel and Colette, Kilia and Dorr, anyone?)
22nd Jun '16 7:29:42 PM nombretomado
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** Another weird coincidence; in Sybak, [[TigerAndBunny you can purchase a sword called "Kotetsu" literally right next to the place where you find the recipe for Fried Rice.]] The vice-chief of Mizuho also bears a little resemblance to Kotetsu - and best of all, his name is ''Tiga.''

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** Another weird coincidence; in Sybak, [[TigerAndBunny [[Anime/TigerAndBunny you can purchase a sword called "Kotetsu" literally right next to the place where you find the recipe for Fried Rice.]] The vice-chief of Mizuho also bears a little resemblance to Kotetsu - and best of all, his name is ''Tiga.''
4th Jun '16 10:31:30 PM nombretomado
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The ''Chronicles'' re-release gets this a bit due to all new features that weren't in the PS2 version being largely superficial. Particular points of contention are the lack of Free Run, and the preservation of the spell queue[[note]]The game's inability to show the animations of two mid or high level spells at a time.[[/note]], the latter of which was only in the original version due to technical limitations.
** And that it runs at 30 fps (because the PS2 version did), while the [=GameCube=] version from ''10 years ago'' ran at 60.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The ''Chronicles'' re-release gets this a bit due to all new features that weren't in the PS2 [=PS2=] version being largely superficial. Particular points of contention are the lack of Free Run, and the preservation of the spell queue[[note]]The game's inability to show the animations of two mid or high level spells at a time.[[/note]], the latter of which was only in the original version due to technical limitations.
** And that it runs at 30 fps (because the PS2 [=PS2=] version did), while the [=GameCube=] version from ''10 years ago'' ran at 60.
29th May '16 7:07:56 PM nombretomado
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* SequelDisplacement: In America especially, this is probably the first Tales game many people played and is the most well-known. It's also the first game in the series to sell over a million copies. It gets to the point that a lot of fans forget that ''Destiny'' and ''Destiny II/Eternia'' even got releases outside of Japan, or that a lot of ''Symphonia'''s mechanical and plot elements appeared in embryonic form in ''Eternia''.[[note]]The tiny print runs the PS1 games got sure don't help matters, but...[[/note]]

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* SequelDisplacement: In America especially, this is probably the first Tales game many people played and is the most well-known. It's also the first game in the series to sell over a million copies. It gets to the point that a lot of fans forget that ''Destiny'' and ''Destiny II/Eternia'' even got releases outside of Japan, or that a lot of ''Symphonia'''s mechanical and plot elements appeared in embryonic form in ''Eternia''.[[note]]The tiny print runs the PS1 [=PS1=] games got sure don't help matters, but...[[/note]]
25th May '16 5:57:17 PM nombretomado
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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero -- the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a PS3 port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidquest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.
** One funny bug that's manifested in at least the PS3 and Steam versions is the "dirty Sheena" bug, wherein if the player takes the "hard path" first and meets Sheena in the newly destroyed Luin, her character model will still be in its "dirty" state even after moments when it would have been cleaned up in the original version. The bug sorts itself out if you change her title to an alternate costume title and back but is otherwise kept on generally so that serious moments are Narmed up a bit by Sheena looking like she hasn't had a bath in forever.

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** As mentioned in the main article, the dragon that gives 10,000 Gald upon defeat only does so because of a typo that resulted in an extra zero -- the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 UpdatedRerelease has it only give 1,000 Gald instead. ''Chronicles's'' version, being a PS3 [=PS3=] port of said UpdatedRerelease, is the same. This unfortunately makes completing the Luin Rebuilding sidquest a ''lot'' more cumbersome than it already was; the next best MoneySpider is the Gold Dragon, which gives ''almost'' as much Gald, but appears in a later, more troublesome dungeon.
** One funny bug that's manifested in at least the PS3 [=PS3=] and Steam versions is the "dirty Sheena" bug, wherein if the player takes the "hard path" first and meets Sheena in the newly destroyed Luin, her character model will still be in its "dirty" state even after moments when it would have been cleaned up in the original version. The bug sorts itself out if you change her title to an alternate costume title and back but is otherwise kept on generally so that serious moments are Narmed up a bit by Sheena looking like she hasn't had a bath in forever.



* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the PS3 version.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Before the series became super popular in the states, fans held it as one of the best games ever. Since the series has gotten more fame now, fans of the original UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube version tend to have this mindset, at least in regards to the PS3 [=PS3=] version.
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