History YMMV / TalesOfTheAbyss

4th Jun '16 10:32:33 PM nombretomado
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** The world map glitch by itself can be this. To use this glitch, you need to take the disc off the PS2 while being on the world map, which will make the scenario disappear, and allows you to walk over the water, mountains, etc. You can then put the disc back and wait for a while for the scenario to come back. However, if you are over a unwalkable path (over the water, for example) when you do this, you get stuck and cannot even use the world map glitch to leave, as you will be unable to move. It is possible to save the game whenever you want while being in the world map. If you save in this condition, you are stuck forever.

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** The world map glitch by itself can be this. To use this glitch, you need to take the disc off the PS2 [=PS2=] while being on the world map, which will make the scenario disappear, and allows you to walk over the water, mountains, etc. You can then put the disc back and wait for a while for the scenario to come back. However, if you are over a unwalkable path (over the water, for example) when you do this, you get stuck and cannot even use the world map glitch to leave, as you will be unable to move. It is possible to save the game whenever you want while being in the world map. If you save in this condition, you are stuck forever.
22nd May '16 1:42:17 PM ANewMan
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** Also, Anise herself. [[spoiler: She betrays the party, almost gets then killed, flat-out DOES get Ion killed, and kills Arietta rather than talking things out with her when she has the chance.]] And yet she is a complete KarmaHoudini after all of this.

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** Also, Anise herself. [[spoiler: She betrays the party, almost gets then them killed, flat-out DOES get Ion killed, and kills Arietta rather than talking things out with her when she has the chance.]] And yet she is a complete KarmaHoudini after all of this.
20th May '16 3:26:04 PM DocJamore
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** [[http://solardata.tumblr.com/post/54678076490/kumagawa-scarletflare-scionoflorelei This]] Tumblr post goes to great length to analyze Luke's character and defend him.
11th Mar '16 3:25:35 AM Technicolourtardis
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** Musical terms are everywhere in the game, from the shop names, to the C. Core names, to the assumed names of the God-Generals before Asch joined up (Cantabile being who he replaced), to the positions of power within Daath.
2nd Feb '16 9:14:32 PM ANewMan
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* MagnficentBastard: Jade Curtiss counts as a semi-heroic example.

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* MagnficentBastard: MagnificentBastard: Jade Curtiss counts as a semi-heroic example.
2nd Feb '16 9:13:34 PM ANewMan
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** His game incarnation is one for some too if not solely for his notorious {{Narm}} moment.
2nd Feb '16 9:12:20 PM ANewMan
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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected, if not ''the'' most respected title by the fanbase. The reasons why are its intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, its complex plot and especially deep characterization, its stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games and is a strong contender for the franchise's MagnumOpus.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected, if not ''the'' most respected title titles by the fanbase. The reasons why are its fanbase for it's intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, its a complex plot and especially deep characterization, its characterizations, its' stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games and is a strong contender for the franchise's MagnumOpus.games.
2nd Feb '16 9:07:15 PM ANewMan
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%%* MagnificentBastard:
* MagnumOpus: BrokenBase aside, the game is widely considered the best game in the franchise thanks to it's great music, story, characters, and gameplay. [[FollowTheLeader Considering how the game would set the standard for the franchise]], it isn't hard to see why.

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%%* MagnificentBastard:
* MagnumOpus: BrokenBase aside, the game is widely considered the best game in the franchise thanks to it's great music, story, characters, and gameplay. [[FollowTheLeader Considering how the game would set the standard for the franchise]], it isn't hard to see why.MagnficentBastard: Jade Curtiss counts as a semi-heroic example.
26th Jan '16 7:43:45 AM XanderVJ
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* FanPreferredCouple: Given the amounts of HoYay and FoeYay in the game, Luke tends to get shipped with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips several people]]. The biggest ships being [[HoYay Luke-Guy]], [[FoeYay Luke-Van]], [[ScrewYourself Luke-Asch]]. On the female side, Luke also gets shipped with [[{{Lolicon}} Anise]] and [[ChildhoodMarriagePromise Natalia]].

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* FanPreferredCouple: Given OneTruePairing notwithstanding (see below), given the amounts of HoYay and FoeYay in the game, Luke tends to get shipped with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips several people]]. The biggest ships being [[HoYay Luke-Guy]], [[FoeYay Luke-Van]], [[ScrewYourself Luke-Asch]]. On the female side, Luke also gets shipped with [[{{Lolicon}} Anise]] and [[ChildhoodMarriagePromise Natalia]].Natalia]].
* FandomBerserkButton: Bashing Luke based only on his characterization at the beginning of the game is a foolproof way to turns half the ''Tales of'' fandom against you, who will dismiss your opinion as half-assed for forming it without finishing the game. Some youtubers have found this the hard way...



* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected if not ''the'' most respected title by the fanbase. The reasons why are its intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, its complex plot and especially deep characterization, its stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games and is a strong contender for the franchise's MagnumOpus.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected respected, if not ''the'' most respected title by the fanbase. The reasons why are its intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, its complex plot and especially deep characterization, its stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games and is a strong contender for the franchise's MagnumOpus.MagnumOpus.
** To a similar degree, Luke as the main character. Although [[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Yuri Lowell]] is still the most beloved protagonist in the franchise, Luke is now widely considered the best constructed one. Even though his {{Jerkass}} attitude at the beginning of the game can be off-putting (and the reason why he had a bum rap for some years), his ''massive'' CharacterDevelopment (by far, the biggest one in the entire franchise) makes it worth it.
18th Dec '15 9:49:23 AM deeman45
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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected if not ''the'' most respected title by the fanbase. The reasons why are its intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, its complex plot and especially deep characterization, its stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games and is a strong contender for the franchise's MagnumOpus.
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