History YMMV / TalesOfTheAbyss

25th Mar '17 10:10:20 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** For that matter ''the entire party'' falls under this in regards to how they treat Luke. Many players felt like the party members blaming Luke for [[spoiler: the destruction of Akzeriuth]] is hypocritical as the major reason that Luke ended up trusting Vaan was because, despite being shown he's ''extremely'' sheltered and has no idea how the world works (including having to be taught the concept of shopping) while being functionally ''seven'' due to his amnesia [[spoiler: and is eventually revealed to ''[[YoungerThanTheyLook actually be seven]]'']], they regularly ignored him, berated him for understandably not knowing things, tell him to shut up when he demands to know things, and '''refused''' to explain why he ''shouldn't'' do the thing that lead to [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] or why not trust Van. With Van thus being the ReasonableAuthorityFigure ''and'' a ParentalSubstitute to Luke, why wouldn't Luke trust him over the so-called "friends" of his? And they don't get better even after Luke's ImportantHaircut! Though Guy genuinely means well and admits to his own part to play in the disaster, he's very wishy-washy about defending Luke against the others comments and actions. Tear flat out says he's to blame and ''encourages'' Luke's GuiltComplex, while Jade and Anise continue to berate him and, in Anise's case, ''encourage him to die''. Natalia is too busy wrapped up in her own, rather self-centered, issues to help either. By the time they actually start treating Luke better, he's a massive mess mentally speaking and it's way too late for him to be able take their advice.

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** For that matter ''the entire party'' falls under this in regards to how they treat Luke. Many players felt like the party members blaming Luke for [[spoiler: the destruction of Akzeriuth]] is hypocritical as the major reason that Luke ended up trusting Vaan Van was because, despite being shown he's ''extremely'' sheltered and has no idea how the world works (including having to be taught the concept of shopping) while being functionally ''seven'' due to his amnesia [[spoiler: and is eventually revealed to ''[[YoungerThanTheyLook actually be seven]]'']], they regularly ignored him, berated him for understandably not knowing things, tell him to shut up when he demands to know things, and '''refused''' to explain why he ''shouldn't'' do the thing that lead to [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] or why not trust Van. With Van thus being the ReasonableAuthorityFigure ''and'' a ParentalSubstitute to Luke, why wouldn't Luke trust him over the so-called "friends" of his? And they don't get better even after Luke's ImportantHaircut! Though Guy genuinely means well and admits to his own part to play in the disaster, he's very wishy-washy about defending Luke against the others comments and actions. Tear flat out says he's to blame and ''encourages'' Luke's GuiltComplex, while Jade and Anise continue to berate him and, in Anise's case, ''encourage him to die''. Natalia is too busy wrapped up in her own, rather self-centered, issues to help either. By the time they actually start treating Luke better, he's a massive mess mentally speaking and it's way too late for him to be able take their advice.
25th Mar '17 10:06:42 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** Van. His status as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds gets hard to swallow when you take into account his hypocrisy, the sheer amount of people he's killed, and his treatment of ''both'' Asch and Luke. It's hard to consider him well intentioned when he spends so much time doing ''incredibly'' wrong things for the sake of his goals.
25th Mar '17 9:59:50 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** Luke in general tends to make you want to hug him after [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and his ImportantHaircut cuts away his {{Jerkass}} tendencies, leaving a genuinely sweet guy...who the whole world seems to want to crush down into little tiny pieces. Including his [[WithFriendsLikeThese friends]].
25th Mar '17 9:45:55 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** For that matter ''the entire party'' falls under this in regards to how they treat Luke. Many players felt like the party members blaming Luke for [[spoiler: the destruction of Akzeriuth]] is hypocritical as the major reason that Luke ended up trusting Vaan was because, despite being shown he's ''extremely'' sheltered and has no idea how the world works (including having to be taught the concept of shopping) while being functionally ''seven'' due to his amnesia [[spoiler: and is eventually revealed to ''[[YoungerThanTheyLook actually be seven]]'']], they regularly ignored him, berated him for understandably not knowing things, tell him to shut up when he demands to know things, and '''refused''' to explain why he ''shouldn't'' do the thing that lead to [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] or why not trust Van. With Van thus being the ReasonableAuthorityFigure ''and'' a ParentalSubstitute to Luke, why wouldn't Luke trust him over the so-called "friends" of his? And they don't get better even after Luke's ImportantHaircut! Though Guy genuinely means well and admits to his own part to play in the disaster, he's very wishy-washy about defending Luke against the others comments and actions. Tear flat out says he's to blame and ''encourages'' Luke's GuiltComplex, while Jade and Anise continue to berate him and, in Anise's case, ''encourage him to die''. Natalia is too busy wrapped up in her own, rather self-centered, issues to help either. By the time they actually start treating Luke better, he's a massive mess mentally speaking and it's way too late for him to be able take their advice.
22nd Mar '17 3:42:23 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** [[spoiler:Van]] loses any right to call himself a WellIntentionedExtremist [[spoiler: when he causes half of the world to fall into poison mist, killing millions.]] He also could have lost that even before [[spoiler: in Akzeriuth]] as he basically recreates the incident that made ''him'' the BigBad with, to all intents and purposes, [[spoiler: his ''[[ParentalSubstitute own child]]'']].

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** [[spoiler:Van]] loses any right to call himself a WellIntentionedExtremist [[spoiler: when he causes half of the world to fall into poison mist, killing millions.]] He also could have lost crossed that even before [[spoiler: in Akzeriuth]] as he basically recreates the incident that made ''him'' the BigBad with, to all intents and purposes, [[spoiler: his ''[[ParentalSubstitute own child]]'']].
22nd Mar '17 3:41:05 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** [[spoiler:Van loses any right to call himself a WellIntentionedExtremist when he causes half of the world to fall into poison mist, killing millions.]]

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** [[spoiler:Van [[spoiler:Van]] loses any right to call himself a WellIntentionedExtremist [[spoiler: when he causes half of the world to fall into poison mist, killing millions.]]]] He also could have lost that even before [[spoiler: in Akzeriuth]] as he basically recreates the incident that made ''him'' the BigBad with, to all intents and purposes, [[spoiler: his ''[[ParentalSubstitute own child]]'']].



** Tear/Luke can be this in general depending on how you view Luke's [[YoungerThanTheyLook age]] when put together with his CharacterDevelopment. [[spoiler: Since Luke is, in fact, seven and it's known well that by the whole party, Tear can come off unintentionally creepy and give the impression of someone who takes advantage of a child's PrecociousCrush.]] This leads into ''any'' pairing with Luke into it being {{Squick}} to some extent.

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** Tear/Luke can be this in general depending on how you view Luke's [[YoungerThanTheyLook age]] when put together with his CharacterDevelopment. [[spoiler: Since Luke is, in fact, seven and it's known well that by the whole party, Tear can come off unintentionally creepy and give the impression of someone who takes advantage of a child's PrecociousCrush.]] This leads into ''any'' pairing with Luke into in it being {{Squick}} to some extent.
22nd Mar '17 3:38:23 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** Tear/Luke can be this in general depending on how you view Luke's [[YoungerThanTheyLook age]] when put together with his CharacterDevelopment. [[spoiler: Since Luke is, in fact, seven and it's known well that by the whole party, Tear can come off unintentionally creepy and give the impression of someone who takes advantage of a child's PrecociousCrush.]] This leads into ''any'' pairing with Luke into it being {{Squick}} to some extent.
22nd Mar '17 12:28:12 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** The whole game is riddled with this in general due to the technology limitations of the time. DullSurprise and some LargeHam bits that don't mesh with the rest can make what are meant to be dramatic or heartrending situations rather jarring instead.
22nd Mar '17 12:24:53 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* HilariousInHindsight: Luke's blond tips to his hair (before he [[ImportantHaircut chops them off]]) is now this with the release of ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria Zestiria]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'' as in those such traits are used to signify Seraphim/Malakim with a touch of ElementalHair Colours. Makes you wonder if [[spoiler: they count as foreshadowing the reveal he's [[GodInHumanForm another Lorelei]].]]
9th Mar '17 8:43:11 AM BoyNinja
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** The 1st fight against Arietta. She herself is a SquishyWizard, but is flanked by two monsters and those two are threats by themselves. The liger and bird are both fast, have attacks that hit pretty strongly at that point in the game ''and'' get their strength and defense boosted by Arietta. Attempting to defeat Arietta first, to avoid her spamming spells like Limited and Negative Gate, [[ShootTheMedicFirst especially at your healer]], and to prevent her from buffing the other to won't work, as the monsters will follow you and kill you. It's a long battle, with having to choose between trying to kill Arietta first and taking lots of damage or letting her live and taking lots of damaged from buffed enemies. This is ''the second boss'' in the game.

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** The 1st fight against Arietta. She herself is a SquishyWizard, but is flanked by two monsters and those two are threats by themselves. The liger and bird are both fast, have attacks that hit pretty strongly at that point in the game ''and'' get their strength and defense boosted by Arietta. Attempting to defeat Arietta first, to avoid her spamming spells like Limited and Negative Gate, [[ShootTheMedicFirst especially at your healer]], and to prevent her from buffing the other to won't work, as the monsters will follow you and kill you. It's a long battle, with having to choose between trying to kill Arietta first and taking lots of damage or letting her live and taking lots of damaged from buffed enemies. This is ''the second boss'' in the game. If you are playing on Unknown, Arietta stops being a SquishyWizard and oddly becomes a ''StoneWall'' that will make you inflict her ScratchDamage.
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