History YMMV / TalesOfTheAbyss

28th Nov '16 10:23:19 AM Kytseo
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** Near the end, Jade offers Luke his left hand in a handshake. In Japan, this is seen as respectful (as it's done with the shield arm, showing that one is willing to let their guard down in front of someone else). Westerners might find this odd, as it's less respectful is western territories (since, in Medieval times, people apparently wiped their butts with their left hands).

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** Near the end, Jade offers Luke his left hand in a handshake. In Japan, this is seen as respectful (as it's done with the shield arm, showing that one is willing to let their guard down in front of someone else). Westerners might find this odd, as it's less not as respectful is in western territories (since, in Medieval times, people apparently wiped their butts with their left hands).
28th Nov '16 10:19:50 AM Kytseo
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* ValuesDissonance: Luke [[spoiler: (Well, Asch... ItMakesSenseInContext)]] and Natalia's betrothal, as first cousins. Due to their status as nobles, no one even so much as bats an eye. This is because Auldrant seems to use a world-wide [[FantasyCounterpartCulture medieval-like setting.]] In Medieval times as well as other periods, nobles were anything but unknown for marrying within the close family. [[spoiler:It later turns out that Natalia is not biologically related to Luke]].

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Luke [[spoiler: (Well, Asch... ItMakesSenseInContext)]] and Natalia's betrothal, as first cousins. Due to their status as nobles, no one even so much as bats an eye. This is because Auldrant seems to use a world-wide [[FantasyCounterpartCulture medieval-like setting.]] In Medieval times as well as other periods, nobles were anything but unknown for marrying within the close family. [[spoiler:It later turns out that Natalia is not biologically related to Luke]].Luke]].
** Near the end, Jade offers Luke his left hand in a handshake. In Japan, this is seen as respectful (as it's done with the shield arm, showing that one is willing to let their guard down in front of someone else). Westerners might find this odd, as it's less respectful is western territories (since, in Medieval times, people apparently wiped their butts with their left hands).
22nd Oct '16 2:17:32 PM esq263
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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda, and not caring about the people themselves or taking their suffering seriously), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van ([[spoiler: even after Van admitted to kidnapping Luke, giving a very flimsy justification[[note]] after all, if Van was saving Luke from painful and horrific experiments regarding his hyperresonance, why didn't these experiments resume once Luke returned?[[/note]] ]])? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.

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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda, and not caring about the people themselves or taking their suffering seriously), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van ([[spoiler: even ([[spoiler:even after Van admitted to kidnapping Luke, giving a very flimsy justification[[note]] after justification[[note]]after all, if Van was saving Luke from painful and horrific experiments regarding his hyperresonance, why didn't these experiments resume once Luke returned?[[/note]] ]])? which directly contradicted what Van had told him only a few days before on the ferry]])? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.
19th Oct '16 8:05:30 AM esq263
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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.

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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda), agenda, and not caring about the people themselves or taking their suffering seriously), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van? Van ([[spoiler: even after Van admitted to kidnapping Luke, giving a very flimsy justification[[note]] after all, if Van was saving Luke from painful and horrific experiments regarding his hyperresonance, why didn't these experiments resume once Luke returned?[[/note]] ]])? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.
18th Oct '16 2:24:33 PM esq263
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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to encourage him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claiming that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.

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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to encourage praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claiming claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner; and the fact that Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act. Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.
14th Aug '16 6:12:00 PM Valiona
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** The replicas of [[spoiler:Frings, Iemon and Mary]], among others, openly say that they don't care whether the originals live or die, a sentiment Tear says will come back to haunt them someday. Of course, they also are thrust into the world without any ability to care for themselves or people willing to care for them, and end up being persecuted, exploited and [[spoiler:used to destroy the miasma]]. Learning that the villains are not coming for them drives them over the DespairEventHorizon, and prompts them to [[spoiler:sacrifice themselves to neutralize the miasma]] in the hopes of finding a place where.

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** The replicas of [[spoiler:Frings, Iemon and Mary]], among others, openly say that they don't care whether the originals live or die, a sentiment Tear says will come back to haunt them someday. Of course, they also are thrust into the world without any ability to care for themselves or people willing to care for them, and end up being persecuted, exploited and [[spoiler:used to destroy the miasma]]. Learning that the villains are not coming for them drives them over the DespairEventHorizon, and prompts them to [[spoiler:sacrifice themselves to neutralize the miasma]] in the hopes of finding a place where.where the surviving replicas can live.



** [[spoiler: Seeing that little boy drown in miasma.]]

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** [[spoiler: Seeing that little boy drown in miasma.miasma at Akzeriuth.]]



* RewatchBonus: Luke's rude and dickish behavior as well as his somewhat childlike dialog for much of the game becomes more understandable and more obvious once the player knows that [[spoiler: Luke is actually only 7.]]

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* RewatchBonus: Luke's rude and dickish behavior as well as his somewhat childlike dialog dialogue for much of the game becomes more understandable and more obvious once the player knows that [[spoiler: Luke is actually only 7.]]
4th Jun '16 10:32:33 PM nombretomado
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** The world map glitch by itself can be this. To use this glitch, you need to take the disc off the PS2 while being on the world map, which will make the scenario disappear, and allows you to walk over the water, mountains, etc. You can then put the disc back and wait for a while for the scenario to come back. However, if you are over a unwalkable path (over the water, for example) when you do this, you get stuck and cannot even use the world map glitch to leave, as you will be unable to move. It is possible to save the game whenever you want while being in the world map. If you save in this condition, you are stuck forever.

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** The world map glitch by itself can be this. To use this glitch, you need to take the disc off the PS2 [=PS2=] while being on the world map, which will make the scenario disappear, and allows you to walk over the water, mountains, etc. You can then put the disc back and wait for a while for the scenario to come back. However, if you are over a unwalkable path (over the water, for example) when you do this, you get stuck and cannot even use the world map glitch to leave, as you will be unable to move. It is possible to save the game whenever you want while being in the world map. If you save in this condition, you are stuck forever.
22nd May '16 1:42:17 PM ANewMan
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** Also, Anise herself. [[spoiler: She betrays the party, almost gets then killed, flat-out DOES get Ion killed, and kills Arietta rather than talking things out with her when she has the chance.]] And yet she is a complete KarmaHoudini after all of this.

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** Also, Anise herself. [[spoiler: She betrays the party, almost gets then them killed, flat-out DOES get Ion killed, and kills Arietta rather than talking things out with her when she has the chance.]] And yet she is a complete KarmaHoudini after all of this.
20th May '16 3:26:04 PM DocJamore
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** [[http://solardata.tumblr.com/post/54678076490/kumagawa-scarletflare-scionoflorelei This]] Tumblr post goes to great length to analyze Luke's character and defend him.
11th Mar '16 3:25:35 AM Technicolourtardis
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** Musical terms are everywhere in the game, from the shop names, to the C. Core names, to the assumed names of the God-Generals before Asch joined up (Cantabile being who he replaced), to the positions of power within Daath.
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