History YMMV / TOME

14th Jan '16 8:49:24 AM Nintrope
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** When SOFDTI is first discovered in Episode 00, Rubirules is noticeably excited, even saying things like "This is way beyond the scope of the individual game" and to "think of the possibilities". He's noticeably aggravated when Execk suggests they focus on finishing the game first.

** Looking back on the episodes with the Big Bad in it after Word of God revealed that this was his plan since Season 1 and what clues he tried to leave towards the reveal, it becomes sort of obvious that the Big Bad is such from his first appearance. [[spoiler: Rubi is the only one of the five Netkings who the Party of Five fight who seems to come off as a jerk during his fight, and his own statement that reveals he created Nylocke's model tipped off those fans who figured out in Episode 10 that Nylocke would be part of the Dragon Bug weapon (thanks to the image of the dragon shown when Kizuna talks about the weapon) that Rubi was involved with the whole thing as well. Tl;dr: an observant fan would figure out Rubi was involved with Zetto and Kizuna by the end of his fight with Nylocke]].
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** Looking back on the episodes with the Big Bad in it after Word of God revealed that this was his plan since Season 1 and what clues he tried to leave towards the reveal, it becomes sort of obvious that the Big Bad is such from his first appearance. [[spoiler: Rubi is the only one of the five Netkings who the Party of Five fight who seems to come off as a jerk during his fight, and his own statement that reveals he created Nylocke's model tipped off those fans who figured out in Episode 10 that Nylocke would be part of the Dragon Bug weapon (thanks to the image of the dragon shown when Kizuna talks about the weapon) that Rubi was involved with the whole thing as well. Tl;dr: an observant fan would figure out Rubi was involved with Zetto and Kizuna by the end of his fight with Nylocke]].]].
26th Dec '15 8:25:15 AM Uxantro
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**Looking back on the episodes with the Big Bad in it after Word of God revealed that this was his plan since Season 1 and what clues he tried to leave towards the reveal, it becomes sort of obvious that the Big Bad is such from his first appearance. [[spoiler: Rubi is the only one of the five Netkings who the Party of Five fight who seems to come off as a jerk during his fight, and his own statement that reveals he created Nylocke's model tipped off those fans who figured out in Episode 10 that Nylocke would be part of the Dragon Bug weapon (thanks to the image of the dragon shown when Kizuna talks about the weapon) that Rubi was involved with the whole thing as well. Tl;dr: an observant fan would figure out Rubi was involved with Zetto and Kizuna by the end of his fight with Nylocke]].
10th Dec '15 12:35:38 PM Nintrope
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** An argument against this is that [[spoiler: there would have to be a reason behind the admins and the Netkings not doing anything about the hackers (or even acknowledging their existence) for the past season so there had to be somebody on the admins or Netkings' sides intentionally directing their attention away from the hackers, who most likely isn't Zetto or Kizuna as they presumably split off from the Netkings and haven't talked since.
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** An argument against this is that [[spoiler: there would have to be a reason behind the admins and the Netkings not doing anything about the hackers (or even acknowledging their existence) for the past season so there had to be somebody on the admins or Netkings' sides intentionally directing their attention away from the hackers, who most likely isn't Zetto or Kizuna as they presumably split off from the Netkings and haven't talked since.]]
10th Dec '15 12:31:19 PM Nintrope
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** An argument against this is that [[spoiler: there would have to be a reason behind the admins and the Netkings not doing anything about the hackers (or even acknowledging their existence) for the past season so there had to be somebody on the admins or Netkings' sides intentionally directing their attention away from the hackers, who most likely isn't Zetto or Kizuna as they presumably split off from the Netkings and haven't talked since ** In addition, [[spoiler: Tigerlily/Kizuna shows up in Episode 6, attacking Nylocke for seemingly no reason. This is later revealed to be her checking up on another antivirus component hidden in Nylocke's character. During fight with Rubirules he reveals himself to have been the one who created Nylocke's character model and likely the one responsible for putting something in it.
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** An argument against this is that [[spoiler: there would have to be a reason behind the admins and the Netkings not doing anything about the hackers (or even acknowledging their existence) for the past season so there had to be somebody on the admins or Netkings' sides intentionally directing their attention away from the hackers, who most likely isn't Zetto or Kizuna as they presumably split off from the Netkings and haven't talked since ** since. *** In addition, [[spoiler: Tigerlily/Kizuna shows up in Episode 6, attacking Nylocke for seemingly no reason. This is later revealed to be her checking up on another antivirus component hidden in Nylocke's character. During the fight with Rubirules he reveals himself to have been the one who created Nylocke's character model and likely the one responsible for putting something in it.]] *** Zetto's motivations alone seem kind of empty ("It cut off my arm, now it'll pay!"), and they only gained substance once he made a friend who got wrapped up in the situation. Before that, there had to be someone else behind the scenes pushing him to do it (and it likely wasn't Kizuna given how much she's shown to care for him)
10th Dec '15 12:23:35 PM Nintrope
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** An argument against this is that [[spoiler: there would have to be a reason behind the admins and the Netkings not doing anything about the hackers (or even acknowledging their existence) for the past season so there had to be somebody on the admins or Netkings' sides intentionally directing their attention away from the hackers, who most likely isn't Zetto or Kizuna as they presumably split off from the Netkings and haven't talked since ** In addition, [[spoiler: Tigerlily/Kizuna shows up in Episode 6, attacking Nylocke for seemingly no reason. This is later revealed to be her checking up on another antivirus component hidden in Nylocke's character. During fight with Rubirules he reveals himself to have been the one who created Nylocke's character model and likely the one responsible for putting something in it.
30th Nov '15 11:35:06 AM tenuousbreaker
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[[spoiler: TOME (the In-Universe game, not the reboot) would have been removed from the internet, prompting Webmaster to host a final tournament while it's on its last leg. At an unspecified part of the tournament, Alpha finally goes up against Zetto (which had been built up since the Z-Tournament) to face each other for one conclusive time. Right as they load the Battle Grid, with all the characters cheering behind them, Alpha and Zetto lock fists, as the screen fades to white and showing a panorama shot of TOME. Then it fades away. This ending is arguably more touching than episode 73, even with the Funny Anuerism cited above. ]]
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[[spoiler: **[[spoiler: TOME (the In-Universe game, not the reboot) would have been removed from the internet, prompting Webmaster to host a final tournament while it's on its last leg. At an unspecified part of the tournament, Alpha finally goes up against Zetto (which had been built up since the Z-Tournament) to face each other for one conclusive time. Right as they load the Battle Grid, with all the characters cheering behind them, Alpha and Zetto lock fists, as the screen fades to white and showing a panorama shot of TOME. Then it fades away. This ending is arguably more touching than episode 73, even with the Funny Anuerism cited above. ]]

* {{Designated Villain}}s: Many fans are confused about why the heroes hate the hackers so much, because they come off as more of a nuisance than an evil group. All they seem to do is destroy some graphics, and grief players from time to time. However Gamecrazed is shown repairing the graphics of one area with ease so it doesn't seem like much of a problem to fix. And even their griefing only seems ''annoying'' rather than evil, since even one of the main characters Kirbopher likes to "beat down chumps" in the same way. One of the minor characters actually points out that you can just ignore someone taking a "cheap shot" like that also. Which makes sense since the traveler's guide says you can flee battles, and you don't lose your rank in non-grid battles. Another big reason for this confusion is the moderators seem to think it's non-problem, or don't pay it any attention.
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* ** {{Designated Villain}}s: Many fans are confused about why the heroes hate the hackers so much, because they come off as more of a nuisance than an evil group. All they seem to do is destroy some graphics, and grief players from time to time. However Gamecrazed is shown repairing the graphics of one area with ease so it doesn't seem like much of a problem to fix. And even their griefing only seems ''annoying'' rather than evil, since even one of the main characters Kirbopher likes to "beat down chumps" in the same way. One of the minor characters actually points out that you can just ignore someone taking a "cheap shot" like that also. Which makes sense since the traveler's guide says you can flee battles, and you don't lose your rank in non-grid battles. Another big reason for this confusion is the moderators seem to think it's non-problem, or don't pay it any attention.
23rd Oct '15 5:12:57 AM ForTaxPurposes
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As noted by examples on the Trope page for Asspull, planning the twist beforehand does not keep it from being one. Also note that this is on the YMMV page, meaning that it is meant to show that SOME viewers saw it as this, not presenting it as fact, so you adding that note is redundant.
** [[spoiler: Rubirules being the main villain was not an AssPull. The plan from the very beginning was to have him be the main villain, as confirmed by the official TOME fact bubble specials. Whether or not his reveal as a villain was executed poorly is up to fan opinion, but if Rubirules was meant to be the villain even before episode 1 was made, it cannot, by definition, be an AssPull - it's a ShockingSwerve at its worst.]]
16th Oct '15 1:27:19 PM LavaringX
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**[[spoiler: Rubirules being the main villain was not an AssPull. The plan from the very beginning was to have him be the main villain, as confirmed by the official TOME fact bubble specials. Whether or not his reveal as a villain was executed poorly is up to fan opinion, but if Rubirules was meant to be the villain even before episode 1 was made, it cannot, by definition, be an AssPull - it's a ShockingSwerve at its worst.]]
31st Aug '15 5:27:53 PM LavaringX
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was Rubirules a {{Jerkass}} who only wanted to "revolutionize the world's technology" to become famous or a man with good intentions who genuinely wanted to make the world a better place? * {{Asspull}} : Rubirules as the main orchestrator of Zetto and Kizuna's plans from the very beginning. Despite no hint or suggestion that they had been working under someone ''at any point'' in the past 15 episodes and 8 shorts, the last episode drops a convenient flashback of him organizing them to hire hackers to look for the Forbidden Power ''AND'' trained Neomutant on the side to play them, Alpha's group, and the Netkings, then has him do a complete 180 and become a maniacal UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans-type supervillain, right down to the "explaining his plan that can't possibly fail at this point, but does" speech. Prior to that episode, he was barely distinguishable from the other Netkings other than appearance and base personality, and had not had any prior interaction with Zetto or Kizuna, even in the episode that was ''dedicated'' to his time being in the same group as them but the episode insists that this was, in fact, his plan all along.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler: Was Rubirules a {{Jerkass}} who only wanted to "revolutionize the world's technology" to become famous or a man with good intentions who genuinely wanted to make the world a better place? place?]] * {{Asspull}} : [[spoiler: Rubirules as being the main orchestrator of Zetto and Kizuna's plans from the very beginning. Despite no hint or suggestion that they had been working under someone ''at any point'' in the past 15 episodes and 8 shorts, the last episode drops a convenient flashback of him organizing them to hire hackers to look for the Forbidden Power ''AND'' trained Neomutant on the side to play them, Alpha's group, and the Netkings, then has him do a complete 180 and become a maniacal UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans-type supervillain, right down to the "explaining his plan that can't possibly fail at this point, but does" speech. Prior to that episode, he was barely distinguishable from the other Netkings other than appearance and base personality, and had not had any prior interaction with Zetto or Kizuna, even in the episode that was ''dedicated'' to his time being in the same group as them but the episode insists that this was, in fact, his plan all along.]]
8th Aug '15 11:17:28 PM ForTaxPurposes
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Yeah, because he was stating the goddamn obvious there. If he hadn't said it, someone else would have, and even then, nothing about him saying that has any actual explicit connection to him being the villain. Besides that, that was the third to last episode, so it's still just as much of an asspull regardless.
** Not quite as Asspullish when you go back and look at Episode 00. He's the one noticably the most excited about SOFDTI, and talks about the possibilities that a sentient virtual being could hold. Rubi says "This is way beyond the scope of the original game" and that has the implication that he wants to take this further. He even says that they should contact the government to get funding to research SOFDTI's capabilities, in which case the other Netkings object.
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