History YMMV / SupermanReturns

6th Sep '16 4:47:15 AM VoxAquila
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** Some theorize that critics let nostalgia of the original Superman films cloud their judgment when reviewing this film.



** According to Singer himself this is why, as a Star Trek fan, he has never approached the Star Trek franchise beyond his one cameo in ''Nemesis'' for fear that he would be "too close" to its mythos to do it right.
11th Aug '16 7:31:23 AM MrDeath
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* HarsherInHindsight: Seeing the old heiress in her deathbed will now be hard to see, following Creator/NoelNeill's death.
11th Aug '16 3:34:48 AM Saveelich
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* DeaderThanDisco: Critics nowadays agree with the fan sentiment that ''Returns'' was way too archaic and reliant on the original Superman film plot points.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Critics nowadays agree with the fan sentiment that ''Returns'' was way too archaic and reliant on the original Superman film film's looks and plot points.
31st Jul '16 6:12:02 PM TitoMosquito
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* HarsherInHindsight: Seeing the old heiress in her deathbed will now be hard to see, following Creator/NoelNeill's death.
30th Jul '16 9:06:11 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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** The premise of the film. Either it's a genuinely intriguing WhatIf scenario that [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore seriously shakes up the status quo of the Superman mythos]], or it's just another half-assed excuse to revisit cinematic characters [[Film/SupermanII from 1980]] instead of telling a new story.



* BrokenBase: The fanbase was (and remains) divided over this movie. While numerous fans saw ''Returns'' as a sincere ode to the earlier films, others were dismayed that the film didn't use any material from the more modern comics (given that the earlier films and their Silver-Bronze Age style Superman characterization was about 20 years out of date by the time this film was made) and completely changed the dynamic of Lois and Superman's relationship. While the film received some good reviews, the overall polarizing reception and underwhelming box office caused plans for a sequel to fizzle out, despite director Bryan Singer promising a more action packed follow up.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
** The premise of the film. Either it's a genuinely intriguing WhatIf scenario that [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore seriously shakes up the status quo of the Superman mythos]], or it's just another half-assed excuse to revisit cinematic characters [[Film/SupermanII from 1980]] instead of telling a new story.
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The fanbase was (and remains) divided over this movie. While numerous fans saw ''Returns'' as a sincere ode to the earlier films, others were dismayed that the film didn't use any material from the more modern comics (given that the earlier films and their Silver-Bronze Age style Superman characterization was about 20 years out of date by the time this film was made) and completely changed the dynamic of Lois and Superman's relationship. While the film received some good reviews, the overall polarizing reception and underwhelming box office caused plans for a sequel to fizzle out, despite director Bryan Singer promising a more action packed follow up.
10th Jul '16 4:06:48 AM erforce
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* HilariousInHindsight: Henry Cavill (who would go on to play Superman in ''Film/ManOfSteel'') was one of the top two contenders for the role along with Brandon Routh when it was still going to be a reboot. Singer later revealed that he gave the part to Brandon Routh because Routh bears a greater resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Singer's slavish devotion to replicating Richard Donner's film, rather than any apparent interest in anything else about Superman, was at the core of the problems that audiences had with ''SupermanReturns'', and it even extended to casting the lead.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Henry Cavill (who would go on to play Superman in ''Film/ManOfSteel'') was one of the top two contenders for the role along with Brandon Routh when it was still going to be a reboot. Singer later revealed that he gave the part to Brandon Routh because Routh bears a greater resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Singer's slavish devotion to replicating Richard Donner's film, rather than any apparent interest in anything else about Superman, was at the core of the problems that audiences had with ''SupermanReturns'', ''Superman Returns'', and it even extended to casting the lead.



-->The big inspiration for Superman Returns is when Superman and Lois had sex, what if he got her pregnant? Thus the need for him to be gone five years so that he could return to discover he has a son. That also means that, clearly, Superman left before he knew Lois was pregnant, we can assume he left shortly after Superman II. Really shortly. He's Superman. He would be able to see Lois was pregnant very early on with his vision. Lets say he leaves… two months after the end of Superman II. So in Superman II he painfully learns that he must put the needs of Earth ahead of his own personal desires. He apologizes to the President for being away so long (we was gone maybe a week or two) and that he won't let him down again. Then two months later he leaves Earth without telling anyone on a personal five year long wild goose chase. He also leaves without covering his bases. He doesn't secure the dangerous tech in his Fortress of Solitude. He doesn't make sure his departure won't result in Lex Luthor's release from jail. He doesn't even apparently warn the President he's leaving. His actions fly in the face of everything he learned in Superman II and everything he swore to do. Dumb as a bag of hammers.

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-->The big inspiration for Superman Returns is when Superman and Lois had sex, what if he got her pregnant? Thus the need for him to be gone five years so that he could return to discover he has a son. That also means that, clearly, Superman left before he knew Lois was pregnant, we can assume he left shortly after Superman II. Really shortly. He's Superman. He would be able to see Lois was pregnant very early on with his vision. Lets say he leaves… two months after the end of Superman II. So in Superman II he painfully learns that he must put the needs of Earth ahead of his own personal desires. He apologizes to the President for being away so long (we was gone maybe a week or two) and that he won't let him down again. Then two months later he leaves Earth without telling anyone on a personal five year long wild goose chase. He also leaves without covering his bases. He doesn't secure the dangerous tech in his Fortress of Solitude. He doesn't make sure his departure won't result in Lex Luthor's release from jail. He doesn't even apparently warn the President he's leaving. His actions fly in the face of everything he learned in Superman II ''Superman II'' and everything he swore to do. Dumb as a bag of hammers.
9th Jul '16 11:31:54 AM jake38
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* HilariousInHindsight: This movie gets criticized about Superman having a kid and abandoning said kid for 5 years. Later on, WebVideo/DragonBallAbridged, parody of Anime/DragonBallZ uses, Gohan's DaddyIssues over Goku, who was often compared to Superman; as a long RunningGag.
** Henry Cavill (who would go on to play Superman in ''Film/ManOfSteel'') was one of the top two contenders for the role along with Brandon Routh when it was still going to be a reboot. Singer later revealed that he gave the part to Brandon Routh because Routh bears a greater resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Singer's slavish devotion to replicating Richard Donner's film, rather than any apparent interest in anything else about Superman, was at the core of the problems that audiences had with ''SupermanReturns'', and it even extended to casting the lead.

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* HilariousInHindsight: This movie gets criticized about Superman having a kid and abandoning said kid for 5 years. Later on, WebVideo/DragonBallAbridged, parody of Anime/DragonBallZ uses, Gohan's DaddyIssues over Goku, who was often compared to Superman; as a long RunningGag.
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Henry Cavill (who would go on to play Superman in ''Film/ManOfSteel'') was one of the top two contenders for the role along with Brandon Routh when it was still going to be a reboot. Singer later revealed that he gave the part to Brandon Routh because Routh bears a greater resemblance to Christopher Reeve. Singer's slavish devotion to replicating Richard Donner's film, rather than any apparent interest in anything else about Superman, was at the core of the problems that audiences had with ''SupermanReturns'', and it even extended to casting the lead.
3rd May '16 5:35:25 PM legomaniac90
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* TearJerker: Superman's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath and everything leading up to it.]]
** [[spoiler: The vicious beat down Superman received from Lex Luthor after being BroughtDownToNormal]]
16th Feb '16 5:43:45 PM MagBas
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** Jason White. Hoo boy. Either [[spoiler: giving Superman a son]] is the perfect way to conclude his story while [[spoiler: leaving the door open for a PassingTheTorch moment]], or [[spoiler: giving Superman an ''illegitimate'' son]] is a sign of unforgivable CharacterDerailment that [[spoiler: made Superman a glorified deadbeat dad]]. There really is no middle ground.

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** Jason White. Hoo boy. Either [[spoiler: giving Superman a son]] is the perfect way to conclude his story while [[spoiler: leaving the door open for a PassingTheTorch moment]], or [[spoiler: giving Superman an ''illegitimate'' son]] is a sign of unforgivable CharacterDerailment that [[spoiler: son made Superman a glorified deadbeat dad]]. There really is no middle ground.
13th Feb '16 8:38:29 PM fusilcontrafusil
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** in ''Film/SupermanII'' Superman is missing for some hours (having depowered himself) and this allows General Zod and company to wreak havoc on Earth. After the mess is sorted out, Superman apologizes to the President of the United States for his absence and says he'll never let Earth down again. ...Then this film shows he goes off to check out Krypton, which leads to his absence for ''years.''
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