History YMMV / SupermanReturns

3rd May '16 5:35:25 PM legomaniac90
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* TearJerker: Superman's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath and everything leading up to it.]]
** [[spoiler: The vicious beat down Superman received from Lex Luthor after being BroughtDownToNormal]]
16th Feb '16 5:43:45 PM MagBas
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** Jason White. Hoo boy. Either [[spoiler: giving Superman a son]] is the perfect way to conclude his story while [[spoiler: leaving the door open for a PassingTheTorch moment]], or [[spoiler: giving Superman an ''illegitimate'' son]] is a sign of unforgivable CharacterDerailment that [[spoiler: made Superman a glorified deadbeat dad]]. There really is no middle ground.

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** Jason White. Hoo boy. Either [[spoiler: giving Superman a son]] is the perfect way to conclude his story while [[spoiler: leaving the door open for a PassingTheTorch moment]], or [[spoiler: giving Superman an ''illegitimate'' son]] is a sign of unforgivable CharacterDerailment that [[spoiler: son made Superman a glorified deadbeat dad]]. There really is no middle ground.
13th Feb '16 8:38:29 PM fusilcontrafusil
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** in ''Film/SupermanII'' Superman is missing for some hours (having depowered himself) and this allows General Zod and company to wreak havoc on Earth. After the mess is sorted out, Superman apologizes to the President of the United States for his absence and says he'll never let Earth down again. ...Then this film shows he goes off to check out Krypton, which leads to his absence for ''years.''
11th Feb '16 4:53:50 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* BaseBreaker: Kitty Kowalski is either a good character or a ReplacementScrappy for Miss Tessmacher.

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Kitty Kowalski is either a good character or a ReplacementScrappy for Miss Tessmacher.Tessmacher.
** The premise of the film. Either it's a genuinely intriguing WhatIf scenario that [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore seriously shakes up the status quo of the Superman mythos]], or it's just another half-assed excuse to revisit cinematic characters [[Film/SupermanII from 1980]] instead of telling a new story.
** Jason White. Hoo boy. Either [[spoiler: giving Superman a son]] is the perfect way to conclude his story while [[spoiler: leaving the door open for a PassingTheTorch moment]], or [[spoiler: giving Superman an ''illegitimate'' son]] is a sign of unforgivable CharacterDerailment that [[spoiler: made Superman a glorified deadbeat dad]]. There really is no middle ground.
9th Feb '16 8:13:41 AM TheMightyHeptagon
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Some fans and critics felt that Richard White was more sympathetic than Superman/Clark Kent.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Some fans and critics felt that Richard White was more sympathetic than Superman/Clark Kent. In addition to being a loyal husband and a loving father [[spoiler: to a child that isn't really his]], he's a BadassNormal pilot who regularly flies halfway around the world on dangerous journeys, ''without'' superpowers to protect him.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Superman is MIA for a few years, the Earth has to learn to get along without him, and then he comes back and... this potentially interesting idea of the Earth having to readjust to his return while he has to rediscover his place among humanity never really goes anywhere, since the film seems too busy focusing on Superman being mopey about Lois moving on.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Superman is MIA for a few years, the Earth has to learn to get along without him, and then he comes back and... this potentially interesting idea of the Earth having to readjust to his return while he has to rediscover his place among humanity never really goes anywhere, since the film seems too busy focusing on Superman being mopey about Lois moving on. on.
** If they had kept in the DeletedScene of [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome Superman returning to Krypton]], this would have been the first ''Superman'' film to show Supes traveling to another solar system in his Kryptonian spaceship--finally bringing the interstellar scope of the comic books to the big screen. But despite the ''many'' opportunities for Supes to have adventures in outer space and tangle with aliens, his interstellar journey is quickly glossed over so that he can return to Earth and try to woo back Lois Lane.
9th Feb '16 8:02:47 AM TheMightyHeptagon
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** In the comics, Lex Luthor became President. So does [[Creator/KevinSpacey Frank]] [[Series/HouseOfCards Underwood]].

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** In the comics, Lex Luthor became President. So does [[Creator/KevinSpacey Frank]] [[Series/HouseOfCards Underwood]].President of the United States. Creator/KevinSpacey would go on to play Frank Underwood in ''Series/HouseOfCardsUS'', who also successfully becomes President through morally questionable means.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: ComicBook/LexLuthor in accuses Franchise/{{Superman}} of [[ReedRichardsIsUseless selfishly withholding the advanced alien technology]] he inherited from his dad, so that the planet is forced to [[HoldingOutForAHero stay dependent on Superman]]. While he is probably wrong about Superman's motives, he has a point. Sharing, say, what Kryptonian science knows about medicine or space travel or producing food would probably save a lot more lives than individually putting out fires with super breath.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: ComicBook/LexLuthor in accuses Franchise/{{Superman}} of [[ReedRichardsIsUseless selfishly withholding the advanced alien technology]] he inherited from his dad, so that the planet is forced to [[HoldingOutForAHero stay dependent on Superman]]. While he is probably wrong about Superman's motives, he has a point. Sharing, say, what Kryptonian science knows about medicine or space travel or producing food would probably save a lot more lives than individually putting out fires with super breath.
23rd Jan '16 1:32:51 PM Silverblade2
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* BaseBreaker: Kitty Kowalski is either a good character or a ReplacementScrappy for Miss Tessmacher.



** BaseBreaker: Kitty Kowalski is either a good character or a ReplacementScrappy for Miss Tessmacher.



** DeaderThanDisco: Critics nowadays agree with the fan sentiment that ''Returns'' was way too archaic and reliant on the original Superman film plot points.

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** * DeaderThanDisco: Critics nowadays agree with the fan sentiment that ''Returns'' was way too archaic and reliant on the original Superman film plot points.
29th Dec '15 2:47:05 PM Anddrix
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor in accuses Franchise/{{Superman}} of [[ReedRichardsIsUseless selfishly withholding the advanced alien technology]] he inherited from his dad, so that the planet is forced to [[HoldingOutForAHero stay dependent on Superman]]. While he is probably wrong about Superman's motives, he has a point. Sharing, say, what Kryptonian science knows about medicine or space travel or producing food would probably save a lot more lives than individually putting out fires with super breath.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor in accuses Franchise/{{Superman}} of [[ReedRichardsIsUseless selfishly withholding the advanced alien technology]] he inherited from his dad, so that the planet is forced to [[HoldingOutForAHero stay dependent on Superman]]. While he is probably wrong about Superman's motives, he has a point. Sharing, say, what Kryptonian science knows about medicine or space travel or producing food would probably save a lot more lives than individually putting out fires with super breath.
9th Dec '15 4:36:48 PM RogueJedi
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* FoeYay: Played straight with Kitty, since she wouldn't be the first Luthor henchwoman to fall for the man of Steel. Luthor himself however comes off as obsession to the point where this troper believes there was a bit of rape context when [[spoiler: Luthor shives him with a kryptonite shard.]]
2nd Apr '15 9:36:08 AM nighttrainfm
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common criticism of the film is that its plot is far too similar to the original ''Film/{{Superman}}'' (Superman tries to save Metropolis when Lex Luthor and his feisty female assistant try to kill Superman with kryptonite and make money with a real estate scam involving natural disasters).

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: ItsTheSameNowItSucks:
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A common criticism of the film is that its plot is far too similar to the original ''Film/{{Superman}}'' (Superman tries to save Metropolis when Lex Luthor and his feisty female assistant try to kill Superman with kryptonite and make money with a real estate scam involving natural disasters).disasters).
** According to Singer himself this is why, as a Star Trek fan, he has never approached the Star Trek franchise beyond his one cameo in ''Nemesis'' for fear that he would be "too close" to its mythos to do it right.



** According to Singer himself this is why, as a Star Trek fan, he has never approached the Star Trek franchise beyond his one cameo in ''Nemesis'' for fear that he would be "too close" to its mythos to do it right.
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