History YMMV / SuperiorSpiderMan

19th Oct '17 6:54:55 PM Eagal
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* CreatorsPet:
** There are those who feel that Otto became Dan Slott's Superboy Prime. After Issue 25, where Otto with the Venom Symbiote is being shown to effortlessly manhandle the Avengers (including ''[[PhysicalGod Thor]]''), this is cemented even further.
** Fans also took issue with Carlie Cooper, Peter's girlfriend from the earlier days of Slott's run, who seems to be the only member of the supporting cast that was able to successfully deduce Otto's deception and seems on track to exposing his charade until she gets kidnapped by the Green Goblin with no one noticing. Justified by the fact that Peter (in the body of Doc Ock) flat-out told her that they had swapped bodies before dying (although she didn't believe him at that time). Furthermore, she is a member of the police and being in a somewhat objective spot, she'd be able to link everything together. However, the fact that she sees something is wrong and not Aunt May or MJ or Black Cat or any of the other long standing supporting characters who had known Peter ''for years'' while she only knew him for a few months, is a stretch even by comic book logic.



* TheScrappy: Carlie Cooper was back to being this again, thanks to being [[CreatorsPet the only supporting cast member to deduce Otto's impersonation]], ahead of characters who had known Peter for much, much longer. She also earned herself some bonus fan hatred for blaming Peter for [[ComicBook/SpiderIsland the time she turned into a giant spider-monster]], claiming it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't known him. Since nearly every person in Manhattan became a spider-monster whether they knew Peter Parker or not, the logic was deemed rather flawed. Although, to be fair, Carlie was only able to deduce this was because Peter flat-out told her ahead of time when he was in Otto's original body, and even then it took her a while to actually confirm this.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Carlie Cooper was back to being this again, thanks to being [[CreatorsPet the only supporting cast member to deduce Otto's impersonation]], ahead of characters who had known Peter for much, much longer. She also earned herself some bonus fan hatred for blaming Peter for [[ComicBook/SpiderIsland the time she turned into a giant spider-monster]], claiming it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't known him. Since nearly every person in Manhattan became a spider-monster whether they knew Peter Parker or not, the logic was deemed rather flawed. Although, to be fair, Carlie was only able to deduce this was because Peter flat-out told her ahead of time when he was in Otto's original body, and even then it took her a while to actually confirm this.this.
** There are those who feel that Otto became Dan Slott's Superboy Prime. After Issue 25, where Otto with the Venom Symbiote is being shown to effortlessly manhandle the Avengers (including ''[[PhysicalGod Thor]]''), this is cemented even further.
19th Oct '17 6:53:20 PM Eagal
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as if Peter would kill someone. And in the end, Otto's actions ''do'' cause things to end badly.
19th Oct '17 6:53:04 PM Eagal
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** A potential difference being that Otto is ''not'' Peter and the act of killing would not cause the same effect on his character as if Peter would kill someone. And in the end, Otto's actions ''do'' cause things to end badly.
* CaptainObviousAesop: The story's moral is that the IdealHero is superior to the UnscrupulousHero[=/=]NominalHero in every way, particularly on grounds of morality and leading others. [[SarcasmMode Really, who would have guessed?]] There are those who would argue that SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped in light of the various [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] populating the genre.

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** A potential difference being that Otto is ''not'' Peter and the act of killing would not cause the same effect on his character as if Peter would kill someone. And in the end, Otto's actions ''do'' cause things to end badly.
* CaptainObviousAesop: The story's moral is that the IdealHero is superior to the UnscrupulousHero[=/=]NominalHero in every way, particularly on grounds of morality and leading others. [[SarcasmMode Really, who would have guessed?]] There are those who would argue that SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped in light of the various [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] populating the genre.
19th Oct '17 6:52:25 PM Eagal
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* BrokenBase: Oh, boy...

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* BrokenBase: Oh, boy...BrokenBase:



** Fans are also peeved that Mary Jane gave up on looking after Peter following Otto's misbehavior.
** The broken base for the comic and [=SpOck=] are taken to extremes on Website/FourChan where saying anything good or bad about the comic can lead to flame war.



** Black Cat being turned into a full-blown villain out for revenge against Spider-Man for what Otto did to her didn't gain much positive feedback.
** The ending and the fact that Mary Jane just pulls up her stakes and ''bails again'' because she's tired of being a target of some sort.
10th Jul '17 12:19:14 AM JulianLapostat
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* OlderThanTheyThink: A Spider-Man villain thinking he has killed the hero and then donning his costume to prove he's a superior Spider-Man than the hero was done in ComicBook/KravensLastHunt, albeit in a far smaller run of issues and to much less controversy and divisive response.
8th Jul '17 6:50:34 AM Theokal3
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* CathartisFactor: While this is somewhat cancelled by [[spoiler:the ensuing murder]], [=SpOck=] successfully outsmarting Massacre by freeing the hostages he relied on as his back-up, then promptly [[CurbStompBattle Curb-Stomping him]] is greatly satisfying, giving the killing spree we saw the man commit.

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* CathartisFactor: CatharsisFactor: While this is somewhat cancelled by [[spoiler:the ensuing murder]], [=SpOck=] successfully outsmarting Massacre by freeing the hostages he relied on as his back-up, then promptly [[CurbStompBattle Curb-Stomping him]] is greatly satisfying, giving the killing spree we saw the man commit.
8th Jul '17 6:50:09 AM Theokal3
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* CathartisFactor: While this is somewhat cancelled by [[spoiler:the ensuing murder]], [=SpOck=] successfully outsmarting Massacre by freeing the hostages he relied on as his back-up, then promptly [[CurbStompBattle Curb-Stomping him]] is greatly satisfying, giving the killing spree we saw the man commit.
9th Mar '17 1:46:19 PM CL
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* {{Narm}}: Doc Ock and the Green Goblin's friendship montage, which is broken up by an ideological argument that ends with Norman infecting Otto's ex-fiance with [=AIDS=].
13th Oct '16 9:46:23 AM Mullon
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** The broken base for the comic and [=SpOck=] are taken to extremes on [[ImageBoards certain websites]] where saying anything good or bad about the comic can lead to flame war.

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** The broken base for the comic and [=SpOck=] are taken to extremes on [[ImageBoards certain websites]] Website/FourChan where saying anything good or bad about the comic can lead to flame war.
30th Jul '16 9:02:11 AM Anddrix
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** Some consider Otto's death and passing of the torch back to Peter actually redeemed the character, as he [[HeelRealization realized just how bad he's been at superheroics and how Peter is much better at this than he is]]. Of course, there was also a AndThereWasMuchRejoicing from certain parts of the audience, but given the BaseBreaker status of the character, it was to be expected.

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** Some consider Otto's death and passing of the torch back to Peter actually redeemed the character, as he [[HeelRealization realized just how bad he's been at superheroics and how Peter is much better at this than he is]]. Of course, there was also a AndThereWasMuchRejoicing from certain parts of the audience, but given the BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter status of the character, it was to be expected.



* BaseBreaker: [[FanNickname SpOck]] became one shortly after he was created. Some enjoy watching him attempt to be a super hero using MadScientist like methods while others just want Peter back. This only intensified after he became more of a {{Jerkass}} KnightTemplar.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: [[FanNickname SpOck]] became one shortly after he was created. Some enjoy watching him attempt to be a super hero using MadScientist like methods while others just want Peter back. This only intensified after he became more of a {{Jerkass}} KnightTemplar.



* LoveItOrHateIt: People either like the new direction and find [=SpOck=] amusing, or absolutely detest it and all that it represents. There isn't much of a grey space, due to all of the BrokenBase and the fact that the main character is a BaseBreaker.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: People either like the new direction and find [=SpOck=] amusing, or absolutely detest it and all that it represents. There isn't much of a grey space, due to all of the BrokenBase and the fact that the main character is a BaseBreaker.BaseBreakingCharacter.
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