History YMMV / SuperMarioSunshine

17th May '18 2:22:49 AM StardustSoldier
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[TheWoobie Poor Peach]]. She was the first to notice Shadow Mario running amok in Isle Delfino in a plane advertisement, and again at Delfino Airstrip, and knows for a fact that Mario is innocent. But the Piantas don't see it that way, and immediately overrule her when she tries to object on her hero's behalf. You guys know she's royalty, right? To make matters worse, just when it feels like we're going to have a grand Mario adventure WITHOUT her getting kidnapped, the first thing Shadow Mario does when he finally reveals himself is kidnap her, while she makes no effort to get away. As a final kick in the teeth, once you get enough Shine Sprites, she is held captive for the rest of the game, even when you start the game again after defeating Bowser for the final time. That's not even getting into the fiasco surrounding [[DumbBlonde the infamous cutscene with Bowser Jr]], which [[NeverLiveItDown completely damaged her reputation]] completely among fans. So much for a HeroOfAnotherStory.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[TheWoobie Poor Peach]]. She was the first to notice Shadow Mario running amok in Isle Delfino in a plane advertisement, and again at Delfino Airstrip, and knows for a fact that Mario is innocent. But the Piantas don't see it that way, and immediately overrule her when she tries to object on her hero's behalf. You guys know she's royalty, right? To make matters worse, just when it feels like we're going to have a grand Mario adventure WITHOUT her getting kidnapped, the first thing Shadow Mario does when he finally reveals himself is kidnap her, while she makes no effort to get away. As a final kick in the teeth, once you get enough Shine Sprites, she is held captive for the rest of the game, even when you start the game again after defeating Bowser for the final time. That's not even getting into the fiasco surrounding [[DumbBlonde the infamous cutscene with Bowser Jr]], which [[NeverLiveItDown completely damaged her reputation]] completely among fans.Jr]]. So much for a HeroOfAnotherStory.
16th May '18 1:12:55 PM Spanks
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[TheWoobie Poor Peach]]. She was the first to notice Shadow Mario running amok in Isle Delfino in a plane advertisement, and again at Delfino Airstrip, and knows for a fact that Mario is innocent. But the Piantas don't see it that way, and immediately overrule her when she tries to object on her hero's behalf. You guys know she's royalty, right? To make matters worse, just when it feels like we're going to have a grand Mario adventure WITHOUT her getting kidnapped, the first thing Shadow Mario does when he finally reveals himself is kidnap her, while she makes no effort to get away. As a final kick in the teeth, once you get enough Shine Sprites, she is held captive for the rest of the game, even when you start the game again after defeating Bowser for the final time. So much for a HeroOfAnotherStory.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[TheWoobie Poor Peach]]. She was the first to notice Shadow Mario running amok in Isle Delfino in a plane advertisement, and again at Delfino Airstrip, and knows for a fact that Mario is innocent. But the Piantas don't see it that way, and immediately overrule her when she tries to object on her hero's behalf. You guys know she's royalty, right? To make matters worse, just when it feels like we're going to have a grand Mario adventure WITHOUT her getting kidnapped, the first thing Shadow Mario does when he finally reveals himself is kidnap her, while she makes no effort to get away. As a final kick in the teeth, once you get enough Shine Sprites, she is held captive for the rest of the game, even when you start the game again after defeating Bowser for the final time. That's not even getting into the fiasco surrounding [[DumbBlonde the infamous cutscene with Bowser Jr]], which [[NeverLiveItDown completely damaged her reputation]] completely among fans. So much for a HeroOfAnotherStory.
28th Apr '18 8:14:30 AM Grobi
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** Another one of the criticisms the gave received at launch--that it lacked much of the traditional Mario iconography--has since been turned around to praise the game after later Mario games were criticized for recycling the same basic look and feel over and over again.

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** Another one of the criticisms the gave game received at launch--that launch -- that it lacked much of the traditional Mario iconography--has iconography -- has since been turned around to praise the game after later Mario games were criticized for recycling the same basic look and feel over and over again.
28th Apr '18 5:29:33 AM StardustSoldier
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** Although it still has detractors, the game is viewed much more favorably, mostly because of its NintendoHard nature and its [[NarmCharm Saturday Morning cartoon plot]]. There have even been calls for a direct sequel or at least a remake, if only to smooth out the game's rough edges in the latter's case. Some are even willing to say they liked it ''better'' than ''64''.
** Another one of the criticisms that the gave received at launch--that it lacked much of the traditional Mario iconography--has since been turned around to praise the game after later Mario games were criticized for recycling the same basic look and feel over and over again.

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** Although it still has detractors, the game is viewed much more favorably, mostly favorably nowadays, largely because of its NintendoHard nature and its [[NarmCharm Saturday Morning cartoon plot]]. There have even been calls for a direct sequel or at least a remake, if only to smooth out the game's rough edges in the latter's case. Some are even willing to say they liked it ''better'' than ''64''.
** Another one of the criticisms that the gave received at launch--that it lacked much of the traditional Mario iconography--has since been turned around to praise the game after later Mario games were criticized for recycling the same basic look and feel over and over again.
26th Apr '18 5:37:42 AM StardustSoldier
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* BrokenBase: The game's commercial definitely split the fanbase. Is it a fun ad or is it just cheesy? It's meant to be a parody of [=PSAs=] with upbeat and catchy songs, but people felt it was just dumb. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPteMFkI2k View it and judge for yourself.]]

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The game's commercial definitely split the fanbase. Is it a fun ad or is it just cheesy? It's meant to be a parody of [=PSAs=] with upbeat and catchy songs, but people felt it was just dumb. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPteMFkI2k View it and judge for yourself.]]



* VindicatedByHistory: Although it still has detractors, the game is viewed much more favorably, mostly because of its NintendoHard nature and its [[NarmCharm Saturday Morning cartoon plot]]. There have even been calls for a direct sequel or at least a remake, if only to smooth out the game's rough edges in the latter's case. Some are even willing to say they liked it ''better'' than ''64''.

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* VindicatedByHistory: VindicatedByHistory:
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Although it still has detractors, the game is viewed much more favorably, mostly because of its NintendoHard nature and its [[NarmCharm Saturday Morning cartoon plot]]. There have even been calls for a direct sequel or at least a remake, if only to smooth out the game's rough edges in the latter's case. Some are even willing to say they liked it ''better'' than ''64''.
16th Apr '18 3:21:50 PM TimeLordVictorious
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** The graffiti found all over Isle Delfino, as well Mario having to clean it up, makes the game seem like the antithesis to VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}.

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** The graffiti found all over Isle Delfino, as well Mario having to clean it up, makes the game seem like the antithesis to VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}.''VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}''.
16th Apr '18 3:21:20 PM TimeLordVictorious
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** The graffiti found all over Isle Delfino, as well Mario having to clean it up, makes the game seem like the antithesis to VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}.
18th Feb '18 8:19:52 AM Silverblade2
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** The Piantas, especially the ones in Delfino Plaza, are disliked for acting like jerks towards Mario and idiotically not being able to tell Shadow Mario and Mario apart. Additionally, while they blame Mario for the disappearance of the Shine Sprites, many of them are in fact hording shines for themselves.
10th Feb '18 9:58:18 PM Karxrida
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* GoodBadBugs: You can stack multiple Rocket Nozzle jumps[[note]]done by using the Rocket Nozzle while sidestepping and exiting the sidestep just before the nozzle charge ends[[/note]] to launch Mario extremely high in the air. You can use this trick to bypass some platforming sections, get to otherwise difficult to reach places, or go out-of-bounds.

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* GoodBadBugs: You can stack multiple Rocket Nozzle jumps[[note]]done by using jumps to launch Mario extremely high into the air.[[labelnote:Instructions]]Use the Rocket Nozzle while sidestepping and exiting exit the sidestep just before the nozzle charge ends[[/note]] ends. When you've stacked enough, re-enter sidestep and walk off a ledge to launch Mario extremely high in trigger the air. launch.[[/labelnote]] You can use this trick to bypass some platforming sections, get to otherwise difficult to reach places, or go out-of-bounds.
10th Feb '18 9:55:01 PM Karxrida
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* GoodBadBugs: You can stack multiple Rocket Nozzle jumps by canceling the jump animation (done by exiting a sidestep just before the charge goes off) and stepping off of a ledge to launch Mario in the air. This lets you jump extremely high, which can bypass some platforming sections or allow you to go out-of-bounds.

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* GoodBadBugs: You can stack multiple Rocket Nozzle jumps jumps[[note]]done by canceling using the jump animation (done by Rocket Nozzle while sidestepping and exiting a the sidestep just before the nozzle charge goes off) and stepping off of a ledge ends[[/note]] to launch Mario extremely high in the air. This lets you jump extremely high, which You can use this trick to bypass some platforming sections sections, get to otherwise difficult to reach places, or allow you to go out-of-bounds.
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