History YMMV / SuperMarioBros

23rd Feb '17 11:05:31 PM Patrobotnik
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** The Honey Queen Bee, Metal Mario, and Rosalina in ''VideoGame/MarioKart7'' are all this to Waluigi, who wasn't playable.



** ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3'', ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'' are treated as this by the fandom and regarded as some of the finest platformers ever made. ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' is getting there, but the NostalgiaFilter hasn't completely kicked in yet.

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** ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3'', ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'' are treated as this by the fandom and regarded as some of the finest platformers ever made. ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' is getting there, but the NostalgiaFilter hasn't completely kicked in yet.All of them are affected by HypeBacklash, however.
22nd Feb '17 12:09:31 AM Sammettik
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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '', where he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone, even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment''. Afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on. This is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]

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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad BigBad of ''Luigi's Mansion '', where he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone, even he managed to imprison the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment''.series namesake. Afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on. This is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]powerful]].
18th Feb '17 8:19:04 AM HeyFella
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** Bowser is one of the most beloved and classic video game villains of all time. He's also one of the few ''Mario'' characters that has a fleshed-out personality, and is praised by many fans for looking and acting like an outright badass in a world filled with characters that are generally cheery, silly and cartoonish. Even though he suffers VillainDecay intermittently, he is able to make up for it by reversing it in games like ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''.

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** Bowser is one of the most beloved and classic video game villains of all time. He's also one of the few ''Mario'' characters that who has a fleshed-out personality, and is praised by many fans for looking and acting like an outright badass in a world filled with characters that are generally cheery, silly and cartoonish. Even though he suffers VillainDecay intermittently, he is able to make up for it by reversing it in games like ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''.
13th Feb '17 11:52:12 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* CriticalBacklash: It's nearly unanimous that the movie is an atrocious adaptation of the games, but many viewers find it to be a fairly weird, trippy and entertaining little flick if taken as its own self-contained story divorced from the source material ([[InNameOnly which isn't exactly hard to do]]).
31st Jan '17 4:54:21 PM PrincessGwen
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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '', where's he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone, even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment''. Afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on. This is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]

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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '', where's where he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone, even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment''. Afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on. This is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]
28th Jan '17 11:18:50 PM PrincessGwen
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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '',where's he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone,even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment'',afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on,this is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion:Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]

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** King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '',where's '', where's he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone,even anyone, even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment'',afterwards equipment''. Afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on,this on. This is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion:Dark Mansion: Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]
27th Jan '17 6:40:40 AM mario0987
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** The [=GameCube=]/GBA era is occasionally believed to be one. The series' main release at the time was ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', which was somewhat controversial for its unconventional gameplay mechanics and giving classic characters like Peach and Bowser subpar voice acting and shallow, generically cartoonish personalities. Along with this, the franchise began to be oversaturated in spinoffs (particularly sports games), and the ''VideoGame/MarioParty'' subseries was becoming a FranchiseZombie. On the other hand, some of the best-loved ''Mario'' RPG games were released around that time, such as the first two ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' games and ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'', and ''Sunshine'' has become somewhat VindicatedByHistory, so [[NostalgiaFilter some people look back at that era more fondly nowadays]].
** Some people claim that the 3DS/[=Wii U=] era is one. Likely due to the immense success of the linear, [[StrictlyFormula formulaic]] ''VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros'' games, some fans claim that ''Mario'' games in other genres (such as ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'', ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' and especially ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'') are being watered down to be more similar to ''NSMB'' and possibly to compete with mobile gaming,[[note]]the most popular smartphone games tend to be overly simplistic[[/note]] losing their charm and their "magic" in the process. The ''NSMB'' subseries itself was accused of {{sequelitis}} as well until after ''VideoGame/NewSuperLuigiU'', when no further games from the subseries were announced/released for existing consoles.

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** The [=GameCube=]/GBA era is occasionally believed to be one. The series' main release at the time was ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', which was somewhat controversial for its unconventional gameplay mechanics and giving classic characters like Peach and Bowser subpar voice acting and shallow, generically cartoonish personalities.personalities (though the game has been VindicatedByHistory). Along with this, the franchise began to be oversaturated in spinoffs (particularly sports games), and the ''VideoGame/MarioParty'' subseries was becoming a FranchiseZombie. On the other hand, some of the best-loved ''Mario'' RPG games were released around that time, such as the first two ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' games and ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga'', and ''Sunshine'' has become somewhat VindicatedByHistory, so [[NostalgiaFilter some people look back at that era more fondly nowadays]].
** Some people claim that the 3DS/[=Wii U=] era is one. Likely due to the immense success of the linear, [[StrictlyFormula formulaic]] ''VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros'' games, some fans claim that ''Mario'' games in other genres (such as ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'', ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' and especially ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'') are being watered down to be more similar to ''NSMB'' and possibly to compete with mobile gaming,[[note]]the most popular smartphone games tend to be overly simplistic[[/note]] losing their charm and their "magic" in the process. The ''NSMB'' subseries itself was accused of {{sequelitis}} as well until after ''VideoGame/NewSuperLuigiU'', when no further games from the subseries were announced/released for existing consoles. Of course, there are also people who note that games like ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' show that the series can still have great ideas despite this. Others think that this era is subject to a major case of AccentuateTheNegative.


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** On the RPG side, ''VideioGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', though it is getting affected by HypeBacklash.
20th Jan '17 3:05:17 PM MyFinalEdits
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: The series suffers from this due to its cartoony, family-friendly nature - especially when compared to other video game series that are popular, but have higher content ratings suited to more adult audiences. The creators in fact actively [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope, as the games are for all ages much like Creator/{{Pixar}} movies. [[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028qa/03.html According to the late Satoru Iwata]], the perception of ''Mario'' as a "childish" franchise was a problem that Nintendo wasn't too pleased about, and they actively worked on having the franchise appeal to all age groups, similarly, Miyamoto has repeatedly stressed how the series' creators tend to fall victim to this trope and design the all-ages ''Mario'' games as if they were specifically for children just because they're played by kids. For example, Creator/KojiKondo [[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Super-Mario-Galaxy/Volume-3-The-Sound-Team/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario-205066.html famously rejected]] music composed for ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that was unintentionally designed to appeal to children[[note]]as a subconscious result of this trope, apparently[[/note]] and was written based on the presumption of Mario being a KidAppealCharacter. Kondo refuted that "Mario is cool" and that he never thought of him as cute, and that Mario's games are "cool adventure games" at their heart.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: The series suffers from this due to its cartoony, family-friendly nature - especially when compared to other video game series that are popular, but have higher content ratings suited to more adult audiences. The creators in fact actively [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope, as the games are for all ages much like Creator/{{Pixar}} movies. [[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028qa/03.html According to the late Satoru Iwata]], the perception of ''Mario'' as a "childish" franchise was a problem that Nintendo wasn't too pleased about, and they actively worked on having the franchise appeal to all age groups, similarly, Miyamoto has repeatedly stressed how the series' creators tend to fall victim to this trope and design the all-ages ''Mario'' games as if they were specifically for children just because they're played by kids. For example, Creator/KojiKondo [[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Super-Mario-Galaxy/Volume-3-The-Sound-Team/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario-205066.html famously rejected]] music composed for ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that was unintentionally designed to appeal to children[[note]]as a subconscious result of this trope, apparently[[/note]] children and was written based on the presumption of Mario being a KidAppealCharacter. Kondo refuted that "Mario is cool" and that he never thought of him as cute, and that Mario's games are "cool adventure games" at their heart.



** Such as which Mario games are better: the 2D platformers or the 3D platformers. Is ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3'' or ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' the best 2D Mario? Does the ''VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros'' games honor the original games legacy or are they awful cash-in games that are barely any different from each-other? There are also other issues such as if you prefer the American or Japanese version of ''VideoGame/{{Super Mario Bros 2}}'' and both camps have their reasons why.

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** Such as which Which Mario games are better: the 2D platformers or the 3D platformers. platformers? Is ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3'' or ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' the best 2D Mario? Does the ''VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBros'' games honor the original games legacy or are they awful cash-in games that are barely any different from each-other? There are also other issues such as if you prefer the American or Japanese version of ''VideoGame/{{Super Mario Bros 2}}'' ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros2'' and both camps have their reasons why.



** The premiere of Captain Toad has prompted a ''lot'' of argument about how he relates to the original Toad and the leader of the Toad Brigade (the original form of Captain Toad from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'', who was at the time identified by the Prima guides and a Nintendo-licensed trading card game as ''the'' Toad). This has further prompted argument about whether there IS a primary Toad, or if every instance of a playable or unique Toad is in fact just a randomly selected member of the race who happens to be one of Peach's Mushroom Retainers (of which there are as many as ''46''). %%According to scrupulous counting of the Toads from the All-Stars Lost Levels.

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** The premiere of Captain Toad has prompted a ''lot'' of argument about how he relates to the original Toad and the leader of the Toad Brigade (the original form of Captain Toad from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'', who was at the time identified by the Prima guides and a Nintendo-licensed trading card game as ''the'' Toad). This has further prompted argument about whether there IS a primary Toad, or if every instance of a playable or unique Toad is in fact just a randomly selected member of the race who happens to be one of Peach's Mushroom Retainers (of which there are as many as ''46''). %%According ''46'', according to the scrupulous counting of the Toads from the All-Stars count in ''The Lost Levels.Levels'').



** People are either excited for, disappointed in or bewildered by the rumored crossover RPG with the [[RavingRabbids Rabbids]]

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** People are either excited for, disappointed in or bewildered by the rumored crossover RPG with the [[RavingRabbids Rabbids]]Rabbids]].



** Mario is also similar to Franchise/SpiderMan, another [[SeriesMascot company mascot]] (for Creator/MarvelComics). Just like Mario, Spidey is an [[TheEveryman everyman]] WorkingClassHero with [[FunPersonified a lovable, fun]] [[NiceGuy and friendly]] personality and is frequently depicted as the JackOfAllStats among other characters from his respective company. In addition, both characters are depicted as {{Shotoclone}}s in their most famous [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros fighting]] [[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom game]] appearances. Mario's All-Star Mode congratulations screen in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for Nintendo 3DS'' is even a reference to the famous "upside-down kiss" scene from ''Film/SpiderMan''. Not to mention that in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'', [[spoiler:Bowser unwittingly covers himself in black paint, and is [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed]] by it, which is quite similar to Spidey's EvilCounterpart and one of his [[ArchEnemy Arch Enemies]], ComicBook/{{Venom}}.]]

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** Mario is also similar to Franchise/SpiderMan, another [[SeriesMascot company mascot]] (for Creator/MarvelComics). Just like Mario, Spidey is an [[TheEveryman everyman]] WorkingClassHero with [[FunPersonified a lovable, fun]] [[NiceGuy and friendly]] personality and is frequently depicted as the JackOfAllStats among other characters from his respective company. In addition, both characters are depicted as {{Shotoclone}}s in their most famous [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros fighting]] [[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom game]] appearances. Mario's All-Star Mode congratulations screen in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for Nintendo 3DS'' is even a reference to the famous "upside-down kiss" scene from ''Film/SpiderMan''. Not to mention that And in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'', [[spoiler:Bowser unwittingly covers himself in black paint, and is [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed]] by it, which is quite similar to Spidey's EvilCounterpart and one of his [[ArchEnemy Arch Enemies]], ComicBook/{{Venom}}.]]



** If you jump on the axe just as the timer reaches zero in any castle level, you'll get a huge bonus of 50,000 points. This is because of a bug in which the timer rolls over to 999 and keeps counting down from there. However, this does not work in the NES version, since it doesn't give you a time bonus for castles. This can only be done in the "Vs." (arcade) and Super Mario All-Stars versions[[note]]not to mention most, if not all versions of the [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2.]][[/note]]

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** If you jump on the axe just as the timer reaches zero in any castle level, you'll get a huge bonus of 50,000 points. This is because of a bug in which the timer rolls over to 999 and keeps counting down from there. However, this does not work in the NES version, since it doesn't give you a time bonus for castles. This can only be done in the "Vs." (arcade) and Super Mario All-Stars versions[[note]]not to mention versions.[[note]]plus most, if not all versions of the [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2.]][[/note]]''VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels'']][[/note]]
20th Jan '17 1:05:16 PM Thad
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**King Boo is introduced as the big bad of ''Luigi's Mansion '',where's he's depicted as being so powerful that it's ''impossible for anyone,even the Mario Bros to fight him without special ghost hunting equipment'',afterwards he's just another one of Bowser's minions that can be stomped on,this is reversed in ''Luigi's Mansion:Dark Moon'' where he [[NoNonsenseNemesis adopts the attitude of his arch-enemy]] and [[TookALevelInBadass becomes even more powerful]]
13th Jan '17 11:08:27 PM IMAGINEZapper
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** The idea of Mario going to a mock-up of Manhattan would be revisited in the games over 20-years later with the announcement of ''VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey'' which features the location New Donk City.
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