History YMMV / SuperMarioBros

9th Feb '16 11:43:52 AM Tavernier
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** The WordOfGod announcing that Toads are [[TaxonomicTermConfusion not mushrooms]] along with Toad and Toadette not considered to be related. Although the latter is generally good to people who ship them together.
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** The WordOfGod announcing that Toads are [[TaxonomicTermConfusion not mushrooms]] along with mushroom-people]] like the Goombas but merely ''midgets wearing mushroom caps'' also raised some hackles. There was also announcement that Toad and Toadette are not considered to be related. Although related, but this merely fueled an already BrokenBase between the latter is generally good to people who ship faction of the fandom that interpreted them together.as brother and sister and those who thought they were in a relationship.

** It's not unknown for fans of Captain Syrup and Wario together to be hostile towards Mona of ''VideoGame/WarioWare'' for having a PrecociousCrush on Wario.
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** It's not unknown for fans of Captain Syrup and Wario together to be hostile towards Mona of ''VideoGame/WarioWare'' for having a PrecociousCrush on Wario.the man.

* DracoInLeatherPants: Bowser. Despite his [[PetTheDog redeeming qualities]], he has committed evil plenty of times and has failed to learn from any of his defeats. Several of the other villains as well, Count Bleck most of all.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: DracoInLeatherPants: ** Bowser. Despite his [[PetTheDog redeeming qualities]], he has committed evil plenty of times and has failed to learn from any of his defeats. Several of the other ** Popular RPG villains as well, are subject to this, especially Count Bleck most of all.VideoGame/SuperPaperMario, a textbook WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.

** Daisy never appears in main games because she [[DamselOutOfDistress puts up too much of a fight to be kidnapped]]. Alternatively, she so desperate to be in a main series game so bad that she ''wants'' to be kidnapped.
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** Daisy never appears in main games because she [[DamselOutOfDistress puts up too much of a fight to be kidnapped]]. Alternatively, she so desperate to be in a main series game so bad that she ''wants'' to be kidnapped.

** Toad and Toadette, though it seems that it's because people don't know that the two are brother and sister. It doesn't help that Nintendo [[FlipFlopOfGod can't make up their minds]] about whether they're siblings, friends, dating, or what.
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** Toad and Toadette, though it seems that it's because people don't know that the two Toadette are brother and sister. It doesn't help that very close, but Nintendo [[FlipFlopOfGod can't make up seem to decide what their minds]] about whether they're particular relationship is. The ''Mario Kart Wii'' manual identified them as siblings, friends, dating, or what.but Nintendo later confirmed they were not considered as such. This is one possible interpretation when trying to reconcile FlipFlopOfGod and FanonDiscontinuity.

** Peach's reaction to Bowser Jr. telling her that she's his mommy in ''Super Mario Sunshine''. Many people (especially detractors of the character) cite it as one of the most defining examples of the princess being a complete ditz, and ignore the instances of her being portrayed competently in the series (particularly in the [=RPG=]s).
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** Peach's reaction to Bowser Jr. telling her that she's his mommy in ''Super Mario Sunshine''.Sunshine'' -- or, rather, her complete ''lack'' of it. Many people (especially detractors of the character) cite it as one of the most defining examples of the princess being a complete ditz, and ignore the instances of her being portrayed competently in the series (particularly in the [=RPG=]s).

** Mario stomped on Luigi's foot once in a ''Tennis'' game as a mildly [=OOC=] act of SiblingRivalry. People always use this scene as evidence Mario is a BitchInSheepsClothing.
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** Mario stomped stomps on Luigi's foot once in a ''Tennis'' game ''Power Tennis'' as a mildly [=OOC=] act of SiblingRivalry. People always use this scene as evidence Mario is a BitchInSheepsClothing.

* VanillaProtagonist: Mario was designed to be an extremely accessible character who can fit any role. He himself does not have too much personality other than cheerfulness, but it's the colorful world and challenges he inhabits that provides the true meat of the series.
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* VanillaProtagonist: Mario was designed to be an extremely accessible character who can fit any role. He himself does not have too much personality other than cheerfulness, but it's the colorful world he inhabits and the challenges he inhabits faces that provides the true meat of the series.
6th Feb '16 12:34:19 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MagnumOpus: The best game in the series is said to be either ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' or either of the two ''Galaxy'' games, depending on who you ask. ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' deserves special mention in that it managed to dethrone ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' as the best-reviewed game of all time on [=GameRankings=].
31st Jan '16 12:58:33 PM Darthrai
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: The series suffers from this due to its cartoony, family-friendly nature - especially when compared to other video game series that are popular, but have higher content ratings suited to more adult audiences. The creators in fact actively [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope, as the games are for all ages much like Creator/{{Pixar}} movies. [[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028qa/03.html According to the late Satoru Iwata]], the perception of ''Mario'' as a "childish" franchise was a problem that Nintendo wasn't too pleased about, and they actively worked on having the franchise appeal to all age groups. For example, Creator/KojiKondo [[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Super-Mario-Galaxy/Volume-3-The-Sound-Team/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario-205066.html famously rejected]] music composed for ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that was unintentionally designed to appeal to children[[note]]as a subconscious result of this trope, apparently[[/note]] and was written based on the presumption of Mario being a KidAppealCharacter. Kondo refuted that "Mario is cool" and that he never thought of him as cute, and that Mario's games are "cool adventure games" at their heart.
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: The series suffers from this due to its cartoony, family-friendly nature - especially when compared to other video game series that are popular, but have higher content ratings suited to more adult audiences. The creators in fact actively [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope, as the games are for all ages much like Creator/{{Pixar}} movies. [[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028qa/03.html According to the late Satoru Iwata]], the perception of ''Mario'' as a "childish" franchise was a problem that Nintendo wasn't too pleased about, and they actively worked on having the franchise appeal to all age groups.groups, similarly, Miyamoto has repeatedly stressed how the series' creators tend to fall victim to this trope and design the all-ages ''Mario'' games as if they were specifically for children just because they're played by kids. For example, Creator/KojiKondo [[https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Super-Mario-Galaxy/Volume-3-The-Sound-Team/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario/2-A-Sound-That-Defines-Mario-205066.html famously rejected]] music composed for ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' that was unintentionally designed to appeal to children[[note]]as a subconscious result of this trope, apparently[[/note]] and was written based on the presumption of Mario being a KidAppealCharacter. Kondo refuted that "Mario is cool" and that he never thought of him as cute, and that Mario's games are "cool adventure games" at their heart.
30th Jan '16 5:25:54 AM TheFarmboy
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** In general, any ship that is not Mario/Peach, Luigi/Daisy or Waluigi/Rosalina is not well received by the shippers.
27th Jan '16 4:41:48 PM nombretomado
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** The main voice cast for the SuperMarioBrosSuperShow are often considered to be examples against the already iconic voices from the games, especially the late CaptainLouAlbano as Mario.
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** The main voice cast for the SuperMarioBrosSuperShow ''Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow'' are often considered to be examples against the already iconic voices from the games, especially the late CaptainLouAlbano as Mario.
26th Jan '16 10:00:12 AM Tavernier
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** Luigi and the Goombas (for being {{Butt Monkey}}s) and Daisy and, Waluigi (for being DemotedToExtra). Luigi has this in a sort of weird way, he's ''also'' a MemeticBadass... But it's even more memetic that absolutely nobody will ever give him credit for it.
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** Luigi and the Goombas (for being {{Butt Monkey}}s) Monkey}}s), and Daisy and, and Waluigi (for being DemotedToExtra). Luigi has this in a sort of weird way, Luigi's example is zigzagged, since he's ''also'' a MemeticBadass... But it's even more memetic so the full meme is that absolutely nobody will ever give him credit for it.
25th Jan '16 5:14:03 PM Tavernier
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** The premiere of Captain Toad has prompted a ''lot'' of argument about how he relates to the original Toad and the leader of the Toad Brigade (the original form of Captain Toad from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'', who was at the time identified by the Prima guides and a Nintendo-licensed trading card game as ''the'' Toad). This has further prompted argument about whether there IS a primary Toad, or if every instance of a playable or unique Toad is in fact just a randomly selected member of the race who happens to be in Peach's employ.
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** The premiere of Captain Toad has prompted a ''lot'' of argument about how he relates to the original Toad and the leader of the Toad Brigade (the original form of Captain Toad from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'', who was at the time identified by the Prima guides and a Nintendo-licensed trading card game as ''the'' Toad). This has further prompted argument about whether there IS a primary Toad, or if every instance of a playable or unique Toad is in fact just a randomly selected member of the race who happens to be in one of Peach's employ.Mushroom Retainers (of which there are as many as ''46''). %%According to scrupulous counting of the Toads from the All-Stars Lost Levels.
25th Jan '16 5:03:43 PM Tavernier
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** The manual for ''Super Mario Bros. 1'' stated that Bowser used his dark magic to turn the people of the Mushroom Kingdom into trees and ''bricks'', and Mario spent the entire game destroying the latter. So when you think about it, Mario is actually a [[MoralDissonance mass murderer.]]
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** The manual for ''Super Mario Bros. 1'' stated that Bowser used his dark magic to turn the people of the Mushroom Kingdom into trees and ''bricks'', and Mario spent the entire game destroying the latter. So when you think about it, Mario is actually a [[MoralDissonance mass murderer.]]]] On the other hand, some materials depict him freeing the Toads by doing this.
25th Jan '16 5:01:32 PM Tavernier
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** An interesting bit of Luigi fanon from the ''Wii'' era involved presenting [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Mr. L]] as his wicked inner shadow, which seems to have been born of a historical accident -- Mr. L's debut game occured within the same era as ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', where Luigi was described as having an inner darkness and his LimitBreak was the MindScrew Negative Zone. This has mostly disappeared as of the Wii U era, now that Nintendo has let up on the DarkerAndEdgier characterization.
25th Jan '16 4:53:36 PM Tavernier
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** Daisy never appears in main games because she [[DamselOutOfDistress puts up too much of a fight to be kidnapped]]. Alternatively, she's wants so bad to be in a main series game that she ''wants'' to be kidnapped.
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** Daisy never appears in main games because she [[DamselOutOfDistress puts up too much of a fight to be kidnapped]]. Alternatively, she's wants she so bad desperate to be in a main series game so bad that she ''wants'' to be kidnapped.
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