History YMMV / SuperDanganRonpa2

25th Feb '17 7:01:20 PM Pikachu4Prezident
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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).

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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable likable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' did does put forth some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]] (See character]]. See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] the show]] for more info).info.
24th Feb '17 2:17:44 PM rjd1922
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** Nowhere near to Teruteru or Hiyoko's scrappy status, but in some circles Kazuichi also tends to get lumped into this as, while well liked at first for his design and friendship with Hajime, his increasingly creepy behavior towards Sonia and jealousy of [[EnsembleDarkHorse Gundham]]'s relationship with her got him this reputation. Him distancing himself from Hajime in Chapter 4 over a suggestion that Nagito made, despite Kazuichi obviously distrusting Nagito did not get him love, nor did surviving to the final trial over several more likable students (by virtue of PlotArmor since his talent is the only one besides [[TheAce Hajime/Izuru's]] that can help revive the comatose students) and getting very little in the way of ''positive'' CharacterDevelopment. That said, there are people who find him sympathetic due to his {{Adorkable}} attempts to be cool and DarkAndTroubledPast.

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** Nowhere near to Teruteru or Hiyoko's scrappy status, but in some circles Kazuichi also tends to get lumped into this as, while well liked at first for his design and friendship with Hajime, his increasingly creepy behavior towards Sonia and jealousy of [[EnsembleDarkHorse [[EnsembleDarkhorse Gundham]]'s relationship with her got him this reputation. Him distancing himself from Hajime in Chapter 4 over a suggestion that Nagito made, despite Kazuichi obviously distrusting Nagito did not get him love, nor did surviving to the final trial over several more likable students (by virtue of PlotArmor since his talent is the only one besides [[TheAce Hajime/Izuru's]] that can help revive the comatose students) and getting very little in the way of ''positive'' CharacterDevelopment. That said, there are people who find him sympathetic due to his {{Adorkable}} attempts to be cool and DarkAndTroubledPast.



** Alternatively: The most popular HoYay pairing in Danganronpa is between a guy who wears a button-up shirt and tie with a snarky, no-nonsense attitude, and another guy in a green hoodie who bravely faces death after seven of his friends have died. This description can refer to Hajime and Nagito, Byakuya and Makoto, or Kyosuke and Juzo.

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** Alternatively: The most popular HoYay pairing in Danganronpa ''Danganronpa'' is between a guy who wears a button-up shirt and tie with a snarky, no-nonsense attitude, and another guy in a green hoodie who bravely faces death after seven of his friends have died. This description can refer to Hajime and Nagito, Byakuya and Makoto, or Kyosuke and Juzo.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Like the original, every character is this to some circle and a BaseBreakingCharacter to others, but Fuyuhiko's sister (who is only ever mentioned, only actually being seen dead in a picture during chapter 2) has people who roleplay her as well as a decent amount of fanart. There is also the somewhat-popular {{fanon}} of her given name being Fuyuki (to match her brother), although later media revealed her name to Natsumi.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Like the original, every character is this to some circle and a BaseBreakingCharacter to others, but Fuyuhiko's sister (who is only ever mentioned, only actually being seen dead in a picture during chapter 2) has people who roleplay her as well as a decent amount of fanart. There is also the somewhat-popular {{fanon}} of her given name being Fuyuki (to match her brother), although later media ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' revealed her name to Natsumi.



** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, Anime/DanganRonpa3 did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).

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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, Anime/DanganRonpa3 ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).
24th Feb '17 2:09:52 PM rjd1922
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Inverted with Kazuichi. He was well liked in the early stages of the story, but gradually became a BaseBreakingCharacter with the more OutOfFocus he became towards the finale. It doesn't help that his [[StalkerWithACrush behavior]] towards Sonia [[{{Flanderization}} became more or less his entire character]] in the later parts of the game, even as she makes it increasingly bluntly obvious that she wants nothing to do with him.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Inverted with Kazuichi. He was well liked in the early stages of the story, but gradually became a BaseBreakingCharacter with the more OutOfFocus he became towards the finale. It doesn't help that his [[StalkerWithACrush behavior]] towards Sonia [[{{Flanderization}} became more or less his entire character]] in the later parts of the game, even as she makes it increasingly bluntly obvious that she wants nothing to do with him.
22nd Feb '17 10:18:46 PM MummyGaGa
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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said Anime/DanganRonpa3 did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappy redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).

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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said said, Anime/DanganRonpa3 did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappy [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).
22nd Feb '17 10:17:45 PM MummyGaGa
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** A mild case happened with Saionji after ''[[Anime/DanganRonpa3 Side:Despair]]'' finished. Compared to her debut appearance in the game, her {{Jerkass}} attitude and crueler moments are toned down and [[LaserGuidedKarma she tends to reap what she sows]] if she does something out of line. While there are still some fans who hate her guts and continue regarding her as TheScrappy, she's become more of a BaseBreakingCharacter these days.



** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage).

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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said Anime/DanganRonpa3 did some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappy redeeming her character]] (See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for that anime]] for more info).
20th Feb '17 1:36:28 PM MummyGaGa
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* AmericansHateTingle: Hiyoko was the 4th most popular character in an official Japanese poll. However, most western fans ended up considering Hiyoko to be TheScrappy.
16th Feb '17 7:44:24 AM Pikachu4Prezident
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** A mild case with Saionji is that in the course of Dangan Ronpa 3 Despair Arc, her {{Jerkass}} attitude is more downplayed and [[LaserGuidedKarma she was reaped for what she sowed]] in her many appearance. Fans never truly get over her actions in this game and still regard her as TheScrappy, but by now, she's a BaseBreakingCharacter.

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** A mild case happened with Saionji is that after ''[[Anime/DanganRonpa3 Side:Despair]]'' finished. Compared to her debut appearance in the course of Dangan Ronpa 3 Despair Arc, game, her {{Jerkass}} attitude is more downplayed and crueler moments are toned down and [[LaserGuidedKarma she was reaped for tends to reap what she sowed]] in her many appearance. Fans never truly get over her actions in this game and sows]] if she does something out of line. While there are still regard some fans who hate her guts and continue regarding her as TheScrappy, but by now, she's become more of a BaseBreakingCharacter.BaseBreakingCharacter these days.



** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru died and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character.

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** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru died dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likeable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character.character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage).



** Akane is fairly disliked too, for her character continually failing to grow despite being given plenty of opportunities to do so, being one of the students who opposes Hajime the most and contributes the least in trials, and providing even less to the plot than Kazuichi. While fans who do her Free Time Events agree she has far more depth than you'd expect, the main plot doesn't hint at any of that depth or give you a reason to want to explore her past, instead just using her as the MsFanservice and a source of crude jokes.

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** Akane is fairly disliked too, for her character [[StaticCharacter continually failing to grow despite being given plenty of opportunities to do so, so]], being one of the students who opposes Hajime the most and contributes the least in trials, and providing even less to the plot than Kazuichi. While fans who do her Free Time Events agree [[HiddenDepths she has far more depth than you'd expect, expect]], the main plot [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't hint at any of that depth or give you a reason to want to explore her past, past]], instead just using her as the MsFanservice and a source of crude jokes.
13th Feb '17 1:18:12 AM transparentanswer
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Inverted with Kazuichi. He was well liked in the early stages of the story, but gradually became a BaseBreakingCharacter with the more OutOfFocus he became towards the finale. It doesn't help that his [[StalkerWithACrush behavior]] towards Sonia [[{{Flanderization}} became more or less his entire character]] in the later parts of the game, even as she makes it increasingly bluntly obvious that she wants nothing to do with him.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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Inverted with Kazuichi. He was well liked in the early stages of the story, but gradually became a BaseBreakingCharacter with the more OutOfFocus he became towards the finale. It doesn't help that his [[StalkerWithACrush behavior]] towards Sonia [[{{Flanderization}} became more or less his entire character]] in the later parts of the game, even as she makes it increasingly bluntly obvious that she wants nothing to do with him.him.
** A mild case with Saionji is that in the course of Dangan Ronpa 3 Despair Arc, her {{Jerkass}} attitude is more downplayed and [[LaserGuidedKarma she was reaped for what she sowed]] in her many appearance. Fans never truly get over her actions in this game and still regard her as TheScrappy, but by now, she's a BaseBreakingCharacter.
11th Feb '17 1:22:28 PM SiaCatGirl
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** While Mikan was well-liked due to her [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] personality, there are other who finds her [[AxCrazy behavior]] after she kills Mahiru and Hiyoko obnoxious.

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** While Mikan was well-liked due to her [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] personality, there are other others who finds her [[AxCrazy behavior]] after she kills Mahiru Ibuki and Hiyoko obnoxious.
10th Feb '17 1:00:23 PM Apocrypha
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Like the original, every character is this to some circle and a BaseBreakingCharacter to others, but Fuyuhiko's sister (who is only ever mentioned, only actually being seen dead in a picture during chapter 2) has people who roleplay her as well as a decent amount of fanart. There is also the somewhat-popular {{fanon}} of her given name being Fuyuki (to match her brother), although later media revealed her name to Natsumi, but because of the latter's {{Jerkass}} behavior in [[Anime/DanganRonpa3]], her popularity [[TheScrappy started to fall tremendously]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Like the original, every character is this to some circle and a BaseBreakingCharacter to others, but Fuyuhiko's sister (who is only ever mentioned, only actually being seen dead in a picture during chapter 2) has people who roleplay her as well as a decent amount of fanart. There is also the somewhat-popular {{fanon}} of her given name being Fuyuki (to match her brother), although later media revealed her name to Natsumi, but because of the latter's {{Jerkass}} behavior in [[Anime/DanganRonpa3]], her popularity [[TheScrappy started to fall tremendously]].Natsumi.



** However, over time, this became more of a ContestedSequel especially after the events that happened in Side: Hope ending of Anime/DanganRonpa3 more specifically having [[spoiler: all of the comatose students be woken up causing certain fan to state that the killing school trip is now pointless]] and having them be less appreciative of the game.
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