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13th Dec '17 5:14:23 PM MarqFJA
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30th Nov '17 3:37:02 PM TheLuckyCat
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** "Soul Friends" tends to get used for Hajime/Kazuichi, whether in shipping or just them interacting platonically.



** Mikan too, at least before TheReveal.

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** Mikan too, at least before TheReveal.TheReveal and even then, people still tend to feel bad for her.



** Sonia, Kazuichi, and Gundham are shipped as this.

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** Sonia, Kazuichi, and Gundham Sonia/Kazuichi/Gundham are shipped as this.



** Shipping Peko with Ishimaru from the previous game is also somewhat popular, especially with promotional art showing them practising Kendo together. There's also Leon/Ibuki, as her Ultimate Talent relates to Leon's own appreciation for the punk genre.

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** Shipping Peko with Ishimaru from the previous game is also somewhat popular, especially with promotional art showing them practising Kendo together. There's also Leon/Ibuki, as her Ultimate Talent relates to Leon's own appreciation for the punk genre.genre - they even get to interact in the VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 Bonus Mode, which only gives the ship more material.



* TooCoolToLive: [[NiceGirl A friendly, kind,]] [[GeniusDitz smart,]] [[{{Adorkable}} cute]] [[HiddenBuxom and busty]] GamerChick? Indeed, Chiaki Nanami was [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth just]] [[KilledOffForReal too]] [[HeroicSacrifice good]] [[ArtificialIntelligence to be real.]]
** There's [[GenkiGirl Ibuki]] [[FunPersonified Mioda]], one of the [[NiceGuy nicest]] characters in the game and with a quirky, funny personality and cool design is cruelly offed in Chapter 3.

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* TooCoolToLive: [[NiceGirl A friendly, kind,]] [[GeniusDitz smart,]] [[{{Adorkable}} cute]] [[HiddenBuxom and busty]] GamerChick? Indeed, Chiaki Nanami was [[TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth just]] just [[KilledOffForReal too]] [[HeroicSacrifice good]] [[ArtificialIntelligence to be real.]]
** There's [[GenkiGirl Ibuki]] [[FunPersonified Mioda]], one of the [[NiceGuy nicest]] characters in the game and with a quirky, funny personality personality, interesting talent and cool design is cruelly offed in Chapter 3.



** Mikan Tsumiki: While first presented as a deliberately-over-the-top example we later learn during her Free Times that she was picked on, bullied, and abused by her peers ''all the time'' in her childhood and she put up with all of it without complaint because it meant they were paying attention to her which was still better than being ignored in her mind. Then she's the murderer of chapter 3 and while it's first presented as her going crazy from Monokuma's "despair disease", which she only caught because she was trying to help those already afflicted, as it turns out her strain just made her recover her lost memories of being part of Ultimate Despair forcing her back into that persona. The same Ultimate Despair whose dearly departed "beloved" was [[BigBad Junko Enoshima]] who, as we know from experience, was only manipulating her for her own twisted amusement. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' gives Mikan extra sympathy points, and she would be ''scarred'' for life if she finds out about anything related to Junko despite her actions in the Final Killing Game.

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** Mikan Tsumiki: While first presented as a deliberately-over-the-top example we later learn during her Free Times that she was picked on, bullied, and abused by her peers ''all the time'' in her childhood and she put up with all of it without complaint because it meant they were paying attention to her which was still better than being ignored in her mind. Then she's the murderer of chapter 3 and while it's first presented as her going crazy from Monokuma's "despair disease", [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished which she only caught because she was trying to help those already afflicted, afflicted]], as it turns out her strain just made her recover her lost memories of being part of Ultimate Despair forcing her back into that persona. The same Ultimate Despair whose dearly departed "beloved" was [[BigBad Junko Enoshima]] who, as we know from experience, was only manipulating her for her own twisted amusement. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' gives Mikan extra sympathy points, points when Junko is shown not just manipulating her, but out-and-out [[DomesticAbuse abusing her too]] and she would be ''scarred'' for life if she finds out about anything related to Junko despite her actions in the Final Killing Game.
28th Nov '17 9:39:29 AM WaywardTotodile
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* [[TheScrappy/SuperDanganRonpa2 The Scrappy]]

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27th Nov '17 8:05:00 AM WaywardTotodile
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* {{Woolseyism}}: On the other hand from the above-mentioned BrokenBase, there are those who think Oren and Fedule's fan translation was BetterThanCanon, and to this day grieve its premature cancellation.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: On the other hand from the above-mentioned BrokenBase, there are those who think Oren and Fedule's fan translation was BetterThanCanon, and to this day grieve its premature cancellation.cancellation.
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27th Nov '17 7:56:41 AM WaywardTotodile
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* [[DracoInLeatherPants/SuperDanganRonpa2 Draco In Leather Pants]]



* DracoInLeatherPants:
** Downplayed in the case of Gundham Tanaka. Fans tend to gloss over the fact that he murdered Nekomaru largely in cold blood. Of course, there was also the fact that everyone would have starved to death otherwise, and that both he and Nekomaru declared to one another's faces that they would fight each other to the death (with Gundham being the winner) so the SympatheticMurderer angle is definitely present in canon. Still, he isn't as ''saintly'' as people portray him; he is aware that what he did is still murder, and he accepts his punishment. Those who focus on the implications he did do it with the intention of saving everyone else seem to overlook how he was clearly okay with either outcome ''and'' how setting things up the way he did strongly implies he was wholeheartedly playing to win at first and chose to "lose" graciously when he saw that wouldn't be possible since Fuyuhiko kept him from making his planned "perfect" alibi.
** Also downplayed in Mikan Tsumiki's case. There are several fans who gloss over or even outright excuse the horrific actions Mikan committed during her despair fever since she was clearly in a brainwashed state due to it at the time, as her murdering Ibuki and Hiyoko was caused by the return of her memories of being a part of Ultimate Despair, especially since most of the time she just seems too timid to do such things. However, the game makes it clear that the despair fever didn't change her personality at all and only put her back into her Ultimate Despair mindset (making her brainwashed by Junko at the very least or brainwashed by the memory return itself in a worst case scenario) and her Free Time events show that she wasn't as harmless as she seemed even in her most docile state of mind, being willing to injure Hajime [[DesperatelyCravesAffection just so he can stay with her]] and revealing that she became a nurse partly so that she would finally be in a position of power over people weaker than her after being bullied for years.
** Though she does have a sympathetic backstory and a FreudianExcuse in that she grew up being told that her job was to protect Fuyuhiko at all costs and was his tool, Peko was still willing to murder Mahiru in cold blood and send everyone else down with her, only her plan fell through because Fuyuhiko couldn't condemn his innocent people to be killed in his place. Peko even tells everyone else she never really felt anything towards anything to the group and only acted like their friend under Fuyuhiko's orders. This is somewhat downplayed by the fact that she did at least end up apologizing for it in her final moments. She also asks the group to prevent any more killings from happening, implying that she cared enough about the others to not want anyone else to die.
** Nagito manages to be this ''and'' RonTheDeathEater. Some of his most ardent fans downplay the danger his BlueAndOrangeMorality poses to the other students and can go too far in trying to excuse his actions, despite the fact that he consistently antagonizes the rest of the cast, has several nasty KickTheDog moments, is indirectly responsible for the Ultimate Imposter and Teruteru's deaths, and tried to kill five other people.
** Bizarrely enough, Izuru Kamukura gets this from people who see him as yet another one of Junko's victims. This is despite much of the information about him coming from unreliable sources, with what we do know painting him as a nihilistic mass murderer who worked with Junko out of apathy for others. He also caused the island killing game to happen in the first place by smuggling Junko's AI into the Neo World Program, yet the fandom largely gives him a free pass for this. Ironically, those people ended up being ''right'' when [[Anime/DanganRonpa3 later material]] revealed that ''everything'' Junko said about him [[UnreliableExpositor was false]] and that he wasn't ever evil at all.
** The Remnants of Despair as a whole. While a great deal of the information on them is of somewhat questionable veracity (as it's information that [[UnreliableExpositor Junko herself]] tells them, through Monokuma or the fake Makoto for the purpose of getting them to select Graduate and enable her to escape to the outside world), the indication that they've done many terrible things in the past is more accurate, and some fans tend to gloss over it. It doesn't help that Junko manipulated all of them, and that some characters seem far too nice and/or optimistic to be part of Ultimate Despair. As with Izuru, ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' ended up proving this segment correct in that the Remnants [[spoiler:were not evil by choice, but by being forced to do Junko's dirty work]].
27th Nov '17 7:45:51 AM WaywardTotodile
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* TheScrappy: [[TheScrappy/DanganRonpa Here.]]
27th Nov '17 7:45:14 AM WaywardTotodile
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** How much of what Nagito says and does is real, and how much is a lie? It doesn't help that in his final Free Time event, he openly suggests that [[UnreliableNarrator he could've been lying]] after revealing his past -- but is he being honest about lying, or trying to backtrack after realizing he might've revealed too much? Supplementary materials support the latter interpretation more, but it's still debated rather frequently.
*** Assuming the latter interpretation is true for the above, to what extent (if any) is Nagito's behavior influenced by his FTD?
*** A fan [[http://kasael.tumblr.com/post/145535871574/nagito-komaeda-doesnt-have-frontotemporal put together an analysis]] of his behavior that showed it does not actually fall in line with FTD, but that clears absolutely nothing up. Nagito still might have been lying, or he just might have been misdiagnosed and ''thought'' he had FTD.
*** There is also the common debate on whether Nagito was justified in trying in trying to kill everyone after finding out the truth. It mostly comes down to how responsible the students were for their actions as Ultimate Despair. As ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' reveals [[spoiler:they were exposed by Junko's Brainwashing Despair Video, people have started feeling less sympathy for this action.]]
** Izuru Kamukura is a magnet for this, not surprising given how little screentime the guy has. Is he a victim like the others of Junko or an accomplice? How much of Hajime actually remains in him? And what did he mean by him "using" the Junko AI? It doesn't help that [[UnreliableExpositor much of the information about him is given by rather dubious sources]] and that [[ShrugOfGod even the creators don't seem to have full knowledge of who he was]].
** Why does Hiyoko pick on Mikan so much in particular? Is it because Mikan is an easy target (note that none of the other students ever try to stop her, and while she also picks on Kazuichi, he at least protests about it), or was she jealous of [[HospitalHottie Mikan's mature looks]] while she's stuck resembling a child?
*** The latter is less likeable since ''Anime/Danganronpa3'', as the grown-up Saionji is even more eager to bully Tsumiki and it is even worse than before.
** Hajime strongly implies that Gundham was sulking because he wanted to go to the Beach Party too...did he just want to be invited to a fun-sounding event, or did he [[CovertPervert also have ulterior motives for wanting to go?]]
** How genuine is Sonia's crush on Gundham? The two barely interact with each other prior to Chapter 4 and though Gundham gets flustered when Sonia compliments him, is that because it's coming from her or because he's just not used to receiving positive attention? He becomes friendly with Hajime during his free time supports so it's possible it's a case of BecauseYouWereNiceToMe. Meanwhile Sonia goes from barely talking with him to outright begging Monokuma to spare his life and acting like a cheerleader during the fourth trial. She seems fascinated by Gundham's "evil overlord" behaviour, which is noted to be an act of his to combat his own loneliness and protect himself, so is she ironically LovingAShadow like Kazuichi's crush on her?
** Was Makoto putting the Remnants of Despair in the Neo World program the best possible outcome, done with their consent, or was he violating their free will by forcefully erasing their memories and basically turning them to become the very thing they oppose? Do his good intentions justify erasing memories and locking people in a scenario that shapes them as he sees fit, something eerily reminiscent of what Junko did in the previous game? ''Anime/{{Danganronpa 3}}'' makes this difficult issue much less difficult, though. [[spoiler:Since the Remnants were forcibly brainwashed into falling into despair, some find that Naegi was completely justified in returning them to their former mental state.]]
** Chiaki, and to some extent, [[spoiler: the person she was based on]], have a few traits that indicate she has high-functioning Autism. She has no social skills to the point where she's bad at Dating Sims, [[HatesBeingTouched she gets uncomfortable if Hajime tries to hug her without permission]] in one of her Free Time Events, she has an obsession with gaming and focuses little with other things (aside from murders), she has a blank expression and often talks in a monotone, she has a tendency to pause mid-sentence, and is shown to be very analytical. Of course, that can be blamed on how Chihiro programmed her, but [[spoiler: the real Chiaki]] has some of those traits too.
26th Nov '17 9:46:19 AM rixion
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* TheScrappy:
** Teruteru was assigned this from the start thanks to taking AnythingThatMoves to the extreme to the point where it got grating. Granted, his execution and the circumstances surrounding it [[AlasPoorScrappy earned him some sympathy]], but much of it vanished after his Free Time Events, which reveal very little about him and end in him drugging Hajime.
** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko, and many fans [[TakeThatScrappy enjoy]] their plot to frame her. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' does put forth some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]]. See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for the show]] for more info.
** Mahiru is also very unpopular, due to her often-abrasive personality. Her main humanizing trait is her [[TeamMom motherly and protective nature]], which is marred by her constantly protecting Hiyoko (herself a perennial scrappy, as noted above) from abuse, while letting her dish abuse out at everyone else without bothering to corral her behavior whatsoever. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' won her some {{Woobie}} points by showing how she was bullied, but not quite enough to fully save her.
** Akane is fairly disliked too, for her character [[StaticCharacter continually failing to grow despite being given plenty of opportunities to do so]], being one of the students who opposes Hajime the most and contributes the least in trials, and providing even less to the plot than Kazuichi. While fans who do her Free Time Events agree [[HiddenDepths she has far more depth than you'd expect]], the main plot [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't hint at any of that depth or give you a reason to want to explore her past]], instead just using her as the MsFanservice and a source of crude jokes.

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* TheScrappy:
** Teruteru was assigned this from the start thanks to taking AnythingThatMoves to the extreme to the point where it got grating. Granted, his execution and the circumstances surrounding it [[AlasPoorScrappy earned him some sympathy]], but much of it vanished after his Free Time Events, which reveal very little about him and end in him drugging Hajime.
** Hiyoko, a FakeCutie [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] [[TheBully bully]] with very little in terms of character development even after her MoralityPet Mahiru dies and did nothing to really contribute to any cases before her own death. Not helped by the fact her two main targets both [[DudeNotFunny had long and painful histories with being bullied in school]], ''and'' she is ''never'' called out by anyone for her abuse. Hell, Mahiru even scolds the others for making fun of her when she stops taking baths, even though Hiyoko was savagely mocking other people earlier. Eventually, one of her targets ends up killing her, but it's only because Hiyoko spotted her killing someone else and not out of revenge for being a constant victim of Hiyoko's abuse. It's somewhat telling that in discussions of Chapter 2, more people tend to sympathize with Fuyuhiko (who's largely responsible for the murder), and Peko (the killer) than they do with Hiyoko, and many fans [[TakeThatScrappy enjoy]] their plot to frame her. The fact that she was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally going to be one of the survivors as the Byakuya parallel]] before being swapped with the ''much'' more likable [[TheAtoner Fuyuhiko]] doesn't help her case either, since we can't tell what her original arc would have been like due to Fuyuhiko's development having a much stronger early in-game basis, while what we do see from her ends up being far too little much too late for most players and seems more like an InformedAttribute than a genuine change in her character (which isn't helped by her tendency to use CrocodileTears to her advantage). That said, ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' does put forth some effort into [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap redeeming her character]]. See the [[YMMV/DanganRonpa3 YMMV page for the show]] for more info.
** Mahiru is also very unpopular, due to her often-abrasive personality. Her main humanizing trait is her [[TeamMom motherly and protective nature]], which is marred by her constantly protecting Hiyoko (herself a perennial scrappy, as noted above) from abuse, while letting her dish abuse out at everyone else without bothering to corral her behavior whatsoever. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' won her some {{Woobie}} points by showing how she was bullied, but not quite enough to fully save her.
** Akane is fairly disliked too, for her character [[StaticCharacter continually failing to grow despite being given plenty of opportunities to do so]], being one of the students who opposes Hajime the most and contributes the least in trials, and providing even less to the plot than Kazuichi. While fans who do her Free Time Events agree [[HiddenDepths she has far more depth than you'd expect]], the main plot [[GameplayAndStorySegregation doesn't hint at any of that depth or give you a reason to want to explore her past]], instead just using her as the MsFanservice and a source of crude jokes.
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23rd Nov '17 12:09:06 AM Lorealie
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* AccidentalInnuendo: During Chapter 2's Closing Argument, Hajime says "I can imagine how badly Hiyoko must have panicked when she came out of the closet" and saw Mahiru's body. As if Hiyoko and Mahiru didn't have enough LesYay already...

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* AccidentalInnuendo: During Chapter 2's Closing Argument, Hajime says "I can imagine how badly Hiyoko must have panicked when she came out of the closet" and saw Mahiru's body. As if Hiyoko and Hiyoko's "affections" for Mahiru didn't have read enough like LesYay already...
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