History YMMV / SuikodenII

3rd Aug '17 1:35:26 PM ACW
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--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"

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--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"EVIL!!!"
3rd Aug '17 1:33:49 PM ACW
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** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.

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** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] "[[TheCaligula Mad]] [[TheEvilPrince Prince]]" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he [[OmnicidalManiac sacrifices the entire population of the city city]] of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops [[CardCarryingVillain relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.is]].
--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"
3rd Aug '17 1:28:25 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/{{Suikoden}} Luca Blight and Neclord]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/{{Suikoden}} CompleteMonster:
**After [[VideoGame/SuikodenI his defeat]], Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.
** [[BigBad
Luca Blight Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and Neclord]]expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.
9th Jul '17 3:53:28 AM DivineDeath
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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is ''is'' required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
9th Jul '17 3:52:46 AM DivineDeath
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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
8th Jun '17 7:07:46 AM rixion
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* GameBreaker: Sheena can become one of these, and there's also Georg Prime to consider.
** Killey, for the same reasons as Sheena, except he's even more powerful.
** Recruiting [[spoiler: the main character from the first game. The Soul Eater Rune is as awesome as ever.]]
** Because of [[http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.com/Suikoden+II+Rune+Unite+Bug how the Rune Unites work]], one can place a [[MightyGlacier slower character]] in the first party slot to make the whole party cast up to ''five'' Rune Unites in one turn! Not bad for a game where mages are pretty useless by the late-game.
** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.

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* GameBreaker: Sheena can become one of these, and there's also Georg Prime to consider.
** Killey, for the same reasons as Sheena, except he's even more powerful.
** Recruiting [[spoiler: the main character from the first game. The Soul Eater Rune is as awesome as ever.]]
** Because of [[http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.com/Suikoden+II+Rune+Unite+Bug how the Rune Unites work]], one can place a [[MightyGlacier slower character]] in the first party slot to make the whole party cast up to ''five'' Rune Unites in one turn! Not bad for a game where mages are pretty useless by the late-game.
** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.
[[GameBreaker/{{Suikoden}} Has its own page.]]
20th Feb '17 6:48:05 AM Nitramy
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or a stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
5th Nov '16 6:29:34 PM nombretomado
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hai Yo, IronChef ChefOfIron extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''
15th May '16 9:01:14 AM SpectralTime
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?
* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty or treaty, suggesting a political union?
union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.



* CrackIsCheaper: Good luck finding this game nowadays for anything less than $100.
** No longer [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/06/suikdoen-ii-arrives-playstation-network-next-week/ the case]] [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/22/looks-like-suikoden-ii-will-re-released-playstation-network/ anymore.]]


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* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is ''still'' an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!
15th Feb '16 10:32:13 AM DarthHowie
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war and try to assassinate his best friend instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war and try to assassinate his best friend instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?
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