History YMMV / SuikodenII

17th May '18 5:48:43 AM kraas
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** After [[VideoGame/SuikodenI his defeat]], Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.

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** After [[VideoGame/SuikodenI his defeat]], Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, mayor (and a ''child''), to be his brides.
23rd Apr '18 8:15:24 AM ChrisX
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* NarmCharm: Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... It is terrifying and showcases just horrendous Luca is, but in the same time, it was done in such an extremely cheesy manner that sometimes you couldn't help to laugh at how much pig hams Luca could chew in this scene.

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* NarmCharm: Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... It is terrifying and showcases just horrendous Luca is, but in the same time, it was done in such an extremely cheesy manner that sometimes you couldn't help to laugh at [[ChewingTheScenery how much pig many hams of pigs Luca could chew in this scene.]]
23rd Apr '18 8:15:02 AM ChrisX
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* {{Narm}}: Possibly a positive example. Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... sometimes it transformed into a funny or a cheesy awesome scene instead of terrifying.

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* {{Narm}}: Possibly a positive example. NarmCharm: Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... It is terrifying and showcases just horrendous Luca is, but in the same time, it was done in such an extremely cheesy manner that sometimes it transformed into a funny or a cheesy awesome scene instead of terrifying.you couldn't help to laugh at how much pig hams Luca could chew in this scene.
23rd Apr '18 8:12:30 AM ChrisX
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* {{Narm}}: Possibly a positive example. Luca's massacre in Ryube is supposed to be REALLY scary and horrible. But, this particular moment was done in an extreme over the top way, including telling a woman to act like a pig and then with all the exclamation marks that the game like to abuse, "DIE, PIG!!!!!"... sometimes it transformed into a funny or a cheesy awesome scene instead of terrifying.
18th Apr '18 7:40:34 PM mlsmithca
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* NightmareFuel:
** Once again, [[http://firsthour.net/screenshots/suikoden-2/suikoden-2-luca-blight.JPG Luca Blight]], as well as the fate of the people of Muse (you even get to hear a man describe how his family was devoured in front of him).
** Millie's Groundhog Bonaparte. That is all.

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* NightmareFuel:
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NightmareFuel: Once again, [[http://firsthour.net/screenshots/suikoden-2/suikoden-2-luca-blight.JPG Luca Blight]], as well as the fate of the people of Muse (you even get to hear a man describe how his family was devoured in front of him).
** %%** Millie's Groundhog Bonaparte. That is all.Bonaparte.



%%** Hoi.


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%%** Hoi.
18th Apr '18 7:38:53 PM sampokong
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** Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in [[VideoGame/SuikodenI the first game]], by [[spoiler:stealing the Blue Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves]].

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** Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in [[VideoGame/SuikodenI the first game]], by [[spoiler:stealing the Blue Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves]].
15th Apr '18 7:18:58 PM Sabrewing
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* ScrappyMechanic: The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the [[spoiler:main character of the previous game]] in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.

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* ScrappyMechanic: ScrappyMechanic:
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The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the [[spoiler:main character of the previous game]] in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.avoided.
** The times you need to [[MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers choose between various recruits]]. First, you have Kasumi vs. Valeria, both returning characters from the first game that also assist in later recruitments, and the one not chosen is replaced in your Stars with Tomo, the only instance in the ''franchise'' of a single character having multiple Star assignments within a single game when it could have easily been avoided. Secondly, you're only given two Listening Crystals, but you have four possible monsters to use them on. If you want to fill your Star list, you ''need'' to recruit Feather[[note]]since Ayda comes with him[[/note]] and avoid Rulodia[[note]]who isn't a Star of Destiny[[/note]], which also locks you out of recruiting Chuchura.
28th Feb '18 1:03:27 AM ACW
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** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], the "[[TheCaligula Mad]] [[TheEvilPrince Prince]]" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he [[OmnicidalManiac sacrifices the entire population of the city]] of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops [[CardCarryingVillain relishing in just how monstrous he truly is]].

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** [[BigBad [[TheCaligula Luca Blight]], the "[[TheCaligula Mad]] [[TheEvilPrince "[[TheEvilPrince Mad Prince]]" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he [[OmnicidalManiac sacrifices the entire population of the city]] of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops [[CardCarryingVillain relishing in just how monstrous he truly is]].
8th Feb '18 3:19:17 PM rixion
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* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is ''still'' an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!

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Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is ''still'' an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!luck!
** Clive's sidequest, a TimedMission where you have to track down Elsa. To complete it, you have to reach a small village west of the final dungeon under 20 hours.



* TheWoobie: Pilika.

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* TheWoobie: Pilika.Pilika.
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8th Feb '18 3:13:56 PM rixion
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** Due to a glitch, certain characters (like Georg Prime, Hoi and Long Chan-Chan) may be at level 99 when recruited.
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