History YMMV / SuikodenII

15th May '16 9:01:14 AM SpectralTime
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?
* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty or treaty, suggesting a political union?
union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.



* CrackIsCheaper: Good luck finding this game nowadays for anything less than $100.
** No longer [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/06/suikdoen-ii-arrives-playstation-network-next-week/ the case]] [[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/22/looks-like-suikoden-ii-will-re-released-playstation-network/ anymore.]]


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* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is ''still'' an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!
15th Feb '16 10:32:13 AM DarthHowie
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war and try to assassinate his best friend instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or an incredible idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war and try to assassinate his best friend instead of signing a peace treaty or suggesting a political union?
16th Nov '15 9:55:58 AM immortalfrieza
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* ScrappyMechanic: The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the [[spoiler:main character of the previous game]] in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.
18th Aug '15 11:01:50 PM _____________
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNfOfvtA0I&hd=1 Imprisoned Town]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQuIr4Mjig The Chase]]

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNfOfvtA0I&hd=1 Imprisoned Town]]
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQuIr4Mjig The Chase]]Chase]].
** [[https://youtu.be/JKqTT-i_Df8 A Song in Praise of Peace]].
3rd Aug '15 10:31:06 PM _____________
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* FanNickname: Some fans call Freed Yamamoto Freedy because in the game his name is shortened to "Freed Y."
19th Jun '15 8:43:37 PM Matt620
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Viktor and Flik establish themselves as such herein. Because even if they play big part in here and previously, afterwards, ''they never appear again''.
** Luca Blight, not only regarded as among the most memorable parts of the game, but also probably the most popular villain in the entire series.
** Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Viktor and Flik establish themselves as such herein. Because even if they play big part in here and previously, afterwards, ''they never appear again''.
** Luca Blight, not only regarded as among the most memorable parts of the game, but also probably the most popular villain in the entire series.
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Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''



* LoveToHate: Ask any of Luca Blight's fans why they like him, aside from the EvilIsCool above, it will be due to how appallingly evil he is.

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* LargeHam: Luca Blight. It would be easier to count the times he's not hamming it up. [[spoiler: Opening the amulet with fireflies just before he dies, and possibly talking to Jillia after Agares's death.]]
* LoveToHate: Ask any of Luca Blight's fans why they like him, aside from the EvilIsCool above, it will be due to how appallingly and unapologetically evil he is.


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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious.
28th Mar '15 8:24:57 AM salvadorfranz
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** There's also the money bug once players recruit Hans the armorer that allows players to have ''max amounts of money'' just by doing a few certain steps in the menu choice.
22nd Feb '15 4:04:06 PM SoS
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* ThatOneBoss: The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!
21st Feb '15 1:17:43 AM ChrisX
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* BadassDecay: Neclord in ''1'' was ThatOneBoss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT more easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.
21st Jan '15 12:13:34 AM salvadorfranz
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** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles.

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** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.



** The infamous "Kindness Rune" bug which allows characters equipped with it to have a strength stat of ''999''[[note]]Have the character die till their kindness factor is in the negatives, then embed the Kindness Rune at a blacksmith[[/note]].



** Jess to some. The guy just goes on a blind accusation spree of your character killing Annabelle and refuses to trust you, and his insistence can lead to the hero running away and [[spoiler:caused Ridley to die]] (can, because the hero can just man up and not run). He does mellow down after the Neclord arc ended and warms up to the hero and makes it up by being a decent war sub-commander, but much like Chaco, kinda hard to forget Jess' actions before.

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** Jess to some. The guy just goes on a blind accusation spree of your character killing Annabelle and refuses to trust you, and his insistence can lead to the hero running away and [[spoiler:caused Ridley to die]] (can, because the hero can just man up and not run). He does mellow down after the Neclord arc ended and warms up to the hero and makes it up by being a decent war sub-commander, but much like Chaco, kinda hard to forget Jess' actions before. Or if you really hate him, you could just not let him join but say goodbye to your OneHundredPercentCompletion.
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