History YMMV / SuikodenII

16th Oct '17 5:44:12 PM InfernoOmega
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* MoralEventHorizon: Luca Blight [[SerialEscalation just loves pushing this to new levels]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Luca Blight [[SerialEscalation just loves pushing this crosses it by instigating the massacre of the Unicorn Youth Brigade and putting the blame on Jowston soldiers, in order to new levels]].restart the war between Highland and Jowston.
** Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in [[VideoGame/SuikodenI the first game]], by [[spoiler:stealing the Blue Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves]].
16th Oct '17 6:23:19 AM InfernoOmega
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* GuideDangIt: Good luck finding all 108 Stars of Destiny on your own. And there are a good amount of unnoticeable [[GameBreakingBug glitches]] that you might walk into unintentionally.



* ThatOneBoss: The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!

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* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss:
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The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!him!
** [[SequentialBoss Luca]] [[MarathonBoss Blight]]. The fight requires you to use three groups of six party members. Without preparation, several of them will likely be underequipped and underleveled. Luca is easily the toughest boss in the game, with incredible physical and magical resistance, and high HP for when you fight him. If either of the first two groups are defeated too quickly, the third one will have a very long battle on their hands. To make matters worse, he attacks three times per round, and all of his attacks are very damaging, with two of his possible attacks being able to hit multiple party members at once.
** Only a few encounters after the above fight, there's a [[DuelBoss duel]] with Luca using the hero. You don't get the opportunity to save in between the two fights, so if you lose the duel, you have to start from the beginning. Even though his health bar is 25% full, he's still capable of taking several hits and dealing a lot of damage, and because of his personality in general, his quotes make it difficult to tell what his next action will be.
3rd Aug '17 1:35:26 PM ACW
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--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"

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--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"EVIL!!!"
3rd Aug '17 1:33:49 PM ACW
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** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.

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** [[BigBad Luca Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] "[[TheCaligula Mad]] [[TheEvilPrince Prince]]" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he [[OmnicidalManiac sacrifices the entire population of the city city]] of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops [[CardCarryingVillain relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.is]].
--> "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the ''thousands''! Look at me! I am sublime! [[CardCarryingVillain I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!]]"
3rd Aug '17 1:28:25 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/{{Suikoden}} Luca Blight and Neclord]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[YMMV/{{Suikoden}} CompleteMonster:
**After [[VideoGame/SuikodenI his defeat]], Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.
** [[BigBad
Luca Blight Blight]], [[TheCaligula the Mad Prince]] of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of the franchise's other villains. While he has a FreudianExcuse in being ForcedToWatch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. [[BloodKnight Luca relishes killing]] and Neclord]]expresses a [[PitifulWorms hatred and disgust for all life]]. His EstablishingCharacterMoment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "''Die pig!''" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, [[EvenEvilHasStandards when Jowy and other Highlanders]] [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating betray him to the player's army]] by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.
9th Jul '17 3:53:28 AM DivineDeath
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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is ''is'' required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
9th Jul '17 3:52:46 AM DivineDeath
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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the ''worst'' character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
8th Jun '17 7:07:46 AM rixion
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* GameBreaker: Sheena can become one of these, and there's also Georg Prime to consider.
** Killey, for the same reasons as Sheena, except he's even more powerful.
** Recruiting [[spoiler: the main character from the first game. The Soul Eater Rune is as awesome as ever.]]
** Because of [[http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.com/Suikoden+II+Rune+Unite+Bug how the Rune Unites work]], one can place a [[MightyGlacier slower character]] in the first party slot to make the whole party cast up to ''five'' Rune Unites in one turn! Not bad for a game where mages are pretty useless by the late-game.
** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.

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* GameBreaker: Sheena can become one of these, and there's also Georg Prime to consider.
** Killey, for the same reasons as Sheena, except he's even more powerful.
** Recruiting [[spoiler: the main character from the first game. The Soul Eater Rune is as awesome as ever.]]
** Because of [[http://suikodenbugfixes.wikispaces.com/Suikoden+II+Rune+Unite+Bug how the Rune Unites work]], one can place a [[MightyGlacier slower character]] in the first party slot to make the whole party cast up to ''five'' Rune Unites in one turn! Not bad for a game where mages are pretty useless by the late-game.
** Double-Beat rune, especially when compared with other runes or used by anyone with three rune slots. Add in Fury Rune and Double-Strike rune and you'll pretty much have a character who can get all, if not most action in battles. Even more so when you realize you can get Double Beat ''[[DiskOneNuke way early]]'' in the game, if the RandomNumberGod is merciful on you.
[[GameBreaker/{{Suikoden}} Has its own page.]]
20th Feb '17 6:48:05 AM Nitramy
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is Jowy a TragicHero who is forced to fight his best friend or a stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
5th Nov '16 6:29:34 PM nombretomado
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hai Yo, IronChef extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hai Yo, IronChef ChefOfIron extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an ''awesome'' cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that [[MagikarpPower he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained]]. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in ''V''
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