History YMMV / StargateAtlantis

3rd Mar '17 3:53:40 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Dr. Kavanaugh: JerkAssHasAPoint or TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong?

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** Dr. Kavanaugh: JerkAssHasAPoint JerkassHasAPoint or TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong?
25th Feb '17 12:51:14 PM ACW
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** The [[NoNameGiven Wraith "King" or "General"]] from season 3's "[[Recap/StargateAtlantisS03E04Sateda Sateda]]" is one of the worst Wraith lords that Atlantis has ever encountered. He's a {{sadist}}ic BloodKnight who commands one of the strongest Hiveships in the Pegasus Galaxy and terrorized their sector even while the rest of the Wraith were hibernating. His unprecedented rule over a Hiveship, which among Wraith derive their legitimacy from being ruled by a Queen, confirms him as a tyrant or even of [[KlingonPromotion having murdered his Queen to usurp her place]], an extreme taboo among Wraith. Having already participated in the [[ToServeMan harvest of dozens of planets]] for centuries, he destroyed Ronon's homeworld Sateda, annihilating the entire population. Ronon's wife was killed in front of him when the Wraith started bombarding Sateda's hospitals. He made Ronon a "Runner", implanting him with a tracking device so his soldiers could [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame hunt Ronon from planet to planet for sport]], wiping out any human settlements that offer Ronon shelter as well. He promises the survivors of one such settlement that if they capture and return Ronon to him, he'll leave their planet alone forever. They do so years later, but [[ILied he harvests them all anyway]]. He returns Ronon to Sateda specifically to watch him die there, boasts how many of his fellow Satedans he devoured, and organizes a hunt for Ronon by sending in increasingly bigger groups of Wraith hunters while watching the show from his ship. When this fails, he tries to beat Ronon to death himself and feed on him.

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** The [[NoNameGiven Wraith "King" or "General"]] "General"]], from season 3's "[[Recap/StargateAtlantisS03E04Sateda Sateda]]" Sateda]]", is one of the worst Wraith lords that Atlantis has ever encountered. He's a {{sadist}}ic BloodKnight who commands one of the strongest Hiveships in the Pegasus Galaxy and terrorized their sector even while the rest of the Wraith were hibernating. His unprecedented rule over a Hiveship, which among Wraith derive their legitimacy from being ruled by a Queen, confirms him as a tyrant or even of [[KlingonPromotion having murdered his Queen to usurp her place]], an extreme taboo among Wraith. Having already participated in the [[ToServeMan harvest of dozens of planets]] for centuries, he destroyed Ronon's homeworld Sateda, annihilating the entire population. Ronon's wife was killed in front of him when the Wraith started bombarding Sateda's hospitals. He made Ronon a "Runner", implanting him with a tracking device so his soldiers could [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame hunt Ronon from planet to planet for sport]], wiping out any human settlements that offer Ronon shelter as well. He promises the survivors of one such settlement that if they capture and return Ronon to him, he'll leave their planet alone forever. They do so years later, but [[ILied he harvests them all anyway]]. He returns Ronon to Sateda specifically to watch him die there, boasts how many of his fellow Satedans he devoured, and organizes a hunt for Ronon by sending in increasingly bigger groups of Wraith hunters while watching the show from his ship. When this fails, he tries to beat Ronon to death himself and feed on him.
15th Dec '16 3:02:17 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** On the other hand, when the non-human beings in the galaxy are mostly composed of PsychicVampires who eat humans and enjoy it, and the Pegasus version of the Replicators, who have repeatedly almost devoured and destroyed ''two entire galaxies'' - and in the case of the Pegasus versions, have at the very least shown an inclination towards MindRape (on good days) and omnicide (on bad ones) when dealing with humans, you can kind of see why they might be willing to cross some lines.

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** On the other hand, when the non-human beings in the galaxy are mostly composed of PsychicVampires who eat humans (''only'' humans) and enjoy it, and the Pegasus version of the Replicators, who have repeatedly almost devoured and destroyed ''two entire galaxies'' - and in the case of the Pegasus versions, have at the very least shown an inclination towards MindRape (on good days) and omnicide (on bad ones) when dealing with humans, you can kind of see why they might be willing to cross some lines.
15th Dec '16 2:34:37 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* DesignatedHero: Although our heroes are in general good guys who try to do the right thing, there are quite a few times where what they do is at the least soaked in MoralDissonance and at the most downright evil - sometimes contradicting previous characterization to do so. [[DependingOnTheWriter When written at their worst]] they have a very human-centric perspective about sentient life such that only human and human-like beings matter, and are disturbingly willing to exploit, manipulate, experiment on, mass murder (as in killing huge numbers in cold blood) and double-cross anyone or anything that poses a threat or can be labelled an enemy species (even taking into account the requirement to act cautiously and even proactively against threats when they present themselves), even treating one of their own expedition similarly when they come back as a replicator.
** In "Infection" where Sheppard comes across 'Todd's completely defenceless diseased Wraith hive ship where his entire crew - now having undergone a gene therapy where they can no longer feed - are in stasis pods. Originally the plan was to just leave them or blow up the ship, However, because of the ship's malfunctions there is an off-chance that they might break free from the pods. Sheppard's solution? Suffocate the hundreds of Wraith in their pods and use c4 to blow up any pods that are unresponsive to the "suffocate their occupants" command. The Team decided that if the gene therapy really was effective at killing Wraith, they should try to disseminate it to as many Wraith as possible for use as a biological weapon.
* DesignatedVillain: Bates, Kavanaugh and Ellis tend to end up in this role. [[StrawmanHasAPoint They usually have legitimate concerns or complaints]], but because these are expressed, usually against the main characters, in a way that is distinctly in favour of their own self-interest, usually to the detriment of others that they are willing to sacrifice, the characters are presented as reactionary jerkasses (Bates seeing Teyla as a security risk and willing to essentially exile her people, hence putting them in great danger in order to protect the expedition members; Kavanaugh complaining to Weir about Weir being somewhat rude to him in front of his team when he priorities and focuses on a course of action that puts the safety of Atlantis first no matter the risk assessment or loss of life (although what is more the issue is that in an emergency when time is crucial and lives are depending on him and his team, he takes time out to go and complain to Weir about her behavior); Ellis undercutting Weir's authority behind her back because she challenges his opinion and his own authority, and wanting [=McKay=] to cut the exposition and get to the point in a way that pointedly bullies and demeans him). There is also a trend of portraying Kavanaugh, in his few appearances, as a coward even though every time he is up against a situation in which his fear is perfectly understandable, although he does consistently advocate a course of action that will save himself and whoever is with him while sacrificing other people, sometimes even when the risk to himself is minimal. [[hottip:note:in addition, because Kavanaugh left the conference where the scientists were trying to save Sheppard's team within the 38 minute Stargate wormhole deadline, to confront Weir about her behaviour towards him, wasting a few minutes of very little time, he is also branded as being selfish.]]
** Ellis isn't so much a DesignatedVillain as a JerkAss who likes to bully and harass those who make him feel inferior. He's a good man, a competent officer (as befitting his rank), and takes pride in making the right call, but doesn't like it when people who are smarter than him have an idea or explanation that he finds difficult to grasp. Both times he doesn't tell [=McKay=] to cut the exposition and get to the point, he insults and harasses him for giving a long explanation, often one that is necessary to understand what he's trying to tell him. The first time, he cut him off and then [=McKay=] had to go back and explain the entire thing all over again because he didn't understand. The second time he outright bullies and degrades Rodney in a meeting so severely that ''Samantha Carter'' has to tell him that if he ever talks like that to someone again she'll have him forced off Atlantis. And that's really saying something (I.e. Sam wouldn't defend Rodney like that unless what Ellis was saying was absolutely unacceptable, particularly considering that he's of equal rank)..

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* DesignatedHero: Although our heroes are in general good guys who try to do the right thing, there are quite a few times where what they do is at the least soaked in MoralDissonance and at the most downright evil - sometimes contradicting previous characterization to do so. [[DependingOnTheWriter When written at their worst]] they have a very human-centric perspective about sentient life such that only human and human-like beings matter, and are disturbingly willing to exploit, manipulate, experiment on, mass murder (as in killing huge numbers in cold blood) and double-cross anyone or anything that poses a threat or can be labelled an enemy species (even taking into account the requirement to act cautiously and even proactively against threats when they present themselves), even treating one of their own expedition similarly when they come back as a replicator.Replicator.
** In "Infection" where Sheppard comes across 'Todd's completely defenceless diseased Wraith hive ship where his entire crew - now having undergone a gene therapy where they can no longer feed - are in stasis pods. Originally the plan was to just leave them or blow up the ship, However, because of the ship's malfunctions there is an off-chance that they might break free from the pods. Sheppard's solution? Suffocate the hundreds of Wraith in their pods and use c4 C4 to blow up any pods that are unresponsive to the "suffocate their occupants" command. The Team decided that if the gene therapy really was effective at killing Wraith, they should try to disseminate it to as many Wraith as possible for use as a biological weapon.
** On the other hand, when the non-human beings in the galaxy are mostly composed of PsychicVampires who eat humans and enjoy it, and the Pegasus version of the Replicators, who have repeatedly almost devoured and destroyed ''two entire galaxies'' - and in the case of the Pegasus versions, have at the very least shown an inclination towards MindRape (on good days) and omnicide (on bad ones) when dealing with humans, you can kind of see why they might be willing to cross some lines.
* DesignatedVillain: Bates, Kavanaugh and Ellis tend to end up in this role. [[StrawmanHasAPoint They usually have legitimate concerns or complaints]], but because these are expressed, usually against the main characters, in a way that is distinctly in favour of their own self-interest, self-interest and usually to the detriment of others that they are willing to sacrifice, the characters are presented as reactionary jerkasses (Bates jerkasses. Bates seeing Teyla as a security risk and willing to essentially exile her people, hence putting them in great danger in order to protect the expedition members; Kavanaugh complaining to Weir about Weir being somewhat rude to him in front of his team when he priorities prioritises and focuses on a course of action that puts the safety of Atlantis first no matter the risk assessment or loss of life (although what is more the issue is that in an emergency when time is crucial and lives are depending on him and his team, he takes time out to go and complain to Weir about her behavior); behavior, dismissing and mocking her authority in the process); Ellis undercutting Weir's authority behind her back because she challenges his opinion and his own authority, and wanting [=McKay=] to cut the exposition and get to the point in a way that pointedly bullies and demeans him). There is also a trend of portraying Kavanaugh, in his few appearances, as a coward even though every time he is up against a situation in which his fear is perfectly understandable, although he does consistently advocate a course of action that will save himself and whoever is with him while sacrificing other people, sometimes even when the risk to himself is minimal. [[hottip:note:in addition, because Kavanaugh left the conference where the scientists were trying to save Sheppard's team within the 38 minute Stargate wormhole deadline, to confront Weir about her behaviour towards him, wasting a few minutes of very little time, he is also branded as being selfish.]]
** Ellis isn't so much a DesignatedVillain as a JerkAss who likes to bully and harass those who make him feel inferior. He's a good man, a competent officer (as befitting his rank), and takes pride in making the right call, but doesn't like it when people who are smarter than him have an idea or explanation that he finds difficult to grasp. Both times he doesn't tell [=McKay=] to cut the exposition and get to the point, he insults and harasses him for giving a long explanation, often one that is necessary to understand what he's trying to tell him. The first time, he cut him off and then [=McKay=] had to go back and explain the entire thing all over again because he didn't understand. The second time he outright bullies and degrades Rodney in a meeting so severely that ''Samantha Carter'' has to tell him that if he ever talks like that to someone again she'll have him forced off Atlantis. And that's really saying something (I.e. something; Sam wouldn't defend Rodney like that unless what Ellis was saying was absolutely unacceptable, particularly considering that he and she are of equal rank.
** As for Kavanaugh, while he does come up with semi-decent ideas, he is also: spectacularly irritating; [[SmugSnake of the belief that
he's much smarter and more important than he is]] - while he's smart, he's not McKay[=/=]Carter smart, as he seems to believe, nor is he an especially important member of equal rank)..the science team, let alone the expedition at large; prone to putting his ego before everything else, even in a crisis. His complaint to Weir in his first appearance isn't about his idea not being taken seriously, it's about his ego being bruised. He also claims, when the discussion is very much over, that it isn't, assuming that he can dictate to Weir, completely disregarding her authority.
8th Nov '16 7:08:14 PM Morgenthaler
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** John Sheppard: Heroic, selfless BadAss ready to risk everything to save Atlantis and those he cares about? Or ruthless sociopath willing to commit any number of murders under the justification of "protecting his people"? He could be quite coldly manipulative at times. A noteworthy example was in "Miller's Crossing" when someone had to sacrifice themselves to a Wraith in order to save [=McKay's=] sister. [=McKay=] volunteered but Shepherd refused to let him. Instead, without even blinking, [[spoiler: he recruited the grieving father who'd injected her with the nanites (having done so in order to motivate [=McKay=] to save his daughter's life), and talked him into sacrificing himself.]]

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** John Sheppard: Heroic, selfless BadAss badass ready to risk everything to save Atlantis and those he cares about? Or ruthless sociopath willing to commit any number of murders under the justification of "protecting his people"? He could be quite coldly manipulative at times. A noteworthy example was in "Miller's Crossing" when someone had to sacrifice themselves to a Wraith in order to save [=McKay's=] sister. [=McKay=] volunteered but Shepherd refused to let him. Instead, without even blinking, [[spoiler: he recruited the grieving father who'd injected her with the nanites (having done so in order to motivate [=McKay=] to save his daughter's life), and talked him into sacrificing himself.]]
4th Oct '16 5:18:07 PM Saveelich
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** And now, Momoa is playing the [[{{ComicBook/Aquaman}} king of Atlantis]] in Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice

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** And now, Momoa is playing the [[{{ComicBook/Aquaman}} king King of Atlantis]] in Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJusticethe ''Film/DCExtendedUniverse''.
30th Jul '16 8:24:08 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Rodney [=McKay=]. You either like that the smart guy is the one who saves the day or find him incredibly grating. The fact that it is often very easy for one person to be in both camps ''at the same time'' makes things... confusing?

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Rodney [=McKay=]. You either like that the smart guy is the one who saves the day or find him incredibly grating. The fact that it is often very easy for one person to be in both camps ''at the same time'' makes things... confusing?
21st Jul '16 1:01:20 PM RamblerReb
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-->'''Woolsey''': You’ve approached my private spot!

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-->'''Woolsey''': You’ve approached poached my private spot!
8th Jul '16 4:46:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* GrowingTheBeard: All the {{Badass}} characters either show up or are promoted in season 2: Ronon, Caldwell, Lorne, Sheppard, etc.

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* GrowingTheBeard: All the {{Badass}} badass characters either show up or are promoted in season 2: Ronon, Caldwell, Lorne, Sheppard, etc.
29th May '16 8:00:51 PM Laudanum
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* DesignatedHero: Although our heroes are in general good guys who try to do the right thing, there are quite a few times where what they do is at the least soaked in MoralDissonance and at the most downright evil - sometimes contradicting previous characterization to do so. They have a very human-centric perspective about sentient life such that only human and human-like beings matter, and are disturbingly willing to exploit, manipulate, experiment on, mass murder (as in killing huge numbers in cold blood) and double-cross anyone or anything that poses a threat or can be labelled an enemy species (even taking into account the requirement to act cautiously and even proactively against threats when they present themselves), even treating one of their own expedition similarly when they come back as a replicator.

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* DesignatedHero: Although our heroes are in general good guys who try to do the right thing, there are quite a few times where what they do is at the least soaked in MoralDissonance and at the most downright evil - sometimes contradicting previous characterization to do so. They [[DependingOnTheWriter When written at their worst]] they have a very human-centric perspective about sentient life such that only human and human-like beings matter, and are disturbingly willing to exploit, manipulate, experiment on, mass murder (as in killing huge numbers in cold blood) and double-cross anyone or anything that poses a threat or can be labelled an enemy species (even taking into account the requirement to act cautiously and even proactively against threats when they present themselves), even treating one of their own expedition similarly when they come back as a replicator.
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