History YMMV / StarTrektheOriginalSeries

1st Feb '16 3:28:34 AM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message
character derailment is Flame Bait
** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her to enjoy it]] is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene and [[CharacterDerailment undermining all three characters]]. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
to:
** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her to enjoy it]] is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene and [[CharacterDerailment undermining all three characters]].scene. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
19th Jan '16 6:17:19 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in the way that every female member of the crew is practically nude and being sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. ** There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''". Also, isn't it curious how often Gene seizes the chance to stick his ladies [[{{Chickification}} in a Victorian dress?]]
to:
** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in the way that every female member of the crew is practically nude and being sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. ** it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''". Also, isn't it curious how often Gene seizes Also note that despite whatever Roddenberry's intentions were, they had to fly with the chance to stick his ladies [[{{Chickification}} TV execs. This is why you have a female second officer in a Victorian dress?]]the pilot, but not in the actual series. The execs felt it wasn't believable.

** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." But back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward. *** Not only that, even when she primarily served as TheChick, casting a ''[[HumansAreWhite black]]'' woman in the role was a huge deal in the 1960s. (A black woman who sat at ''rear center stage'', right behind the Captain's seat where viewers could not possibly miss seeing her. Holy diversity, Batman!) And novels written as early as the '70s indicate that Uhura was far more than a glorified switchboard operator--she is in fact a linguistic genius who can leave Kirk's head spinning with language theory. Even in the episodes, there are occasional hints of her mechanical abilities implying that she can take apart and fix the communications equipment as well as operate it. Also, Uhura was technically fifth in command of the ''Enterprise'' (and did take command for at least one episode of the animated series) meaning that out of the ''entire crew'' only Kirk, Spock, Scotty, or Sulu could override her decisions (although in one episode MauveShirt [=DeSalle=] takes command ahead of her).
to:
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." But back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward. *** Not only that, even (What Takei is referring to is the fact that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchboard_operator#Women_as_switchboard_operators women were accepted as telephone switchboard operators.]]) ** Even when she primarily served as TheChick, casting a ''[[HumansAreWhite black]]'' woman in the role was a huge deal in the 1960s. (A black woman who sat at ''rear center stage'', right behind the Captain's seat where viewers could not possibly miss seeing her. Holy diversity, Batman!) And novels written as early as the '70s indicate that Uhura was far more than a glorified switchboard operator--she is in fact a linguistic genius who can leave Kirk's head spinning with language theory. Even in the episodes, there are occasional hints of her mechanical abilities implying that she can take apart and fix the communications equipment as well as operate it. Also, Uhura was technically fifth in command of the ''Enterprise'' (and did take command for at least one episode of the animated series) meaning that out of the ''entire crew'' only Kirk, Spock, Scotty, or Sulu could override her decisions (although in one episode MauveShirt [=DeSalle=] takes command ahead of her).
19th Jan '16 11:51:20 AM thatsnumberwang
Is there an issue? Send a Message
''Go George!'' is unnecessary.
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! But back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward.
to:
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! But back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward.
17th Jan '16 7:30:55 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BackhandedCompliment woman]]''". Also, isn't it curious how often Gene seizes the chance to stick his ladies in Victoria dress?
to:
** There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BackhandedCompliment ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''". Also, isn't it curious how often Gene seizes the chance to stick his ladies [[{{Chickification}} in Victoria dress?a Victorian dress?]]
17th Jan '16 7:28:25 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BackhandedCompliment woman]]''". Also, isn't it curious how often Gene seizes the chance to stick his ladies in Victoria dress?

** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! Back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward.
to:
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! Back But back then, Uhura just being in a command setting was a huge leap forward.
17th Jan '16 7:26:29 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock telling her to enjoy is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene and [[CharacterDerailment undermining all three characters]]. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
to:
** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her to enjoy it]] is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene and [[CharacterDerailment undermining all three characters]]. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
17th Jan '16 7:25:37 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* FairForItsDay:
17th Jan '16 7:25:04 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! Back then, Uhura existing in a command settle was a huge leap forward.
to:
** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! Back then, Uhura existing just being in a command settle setting was a huge leap forward.
17th Jan '16 7:24:40 PM hamonrye
Is there an issue? Send a Message
** Uhura: Although now it seems normal and unremarkable for a woman to have a job other than a secretary, back then Uhura being in a ([[MildlyMilitary almost military]]) job and being black was a huge leap forward.
to:
* FairForItsDay: ** Uhura: Although now it seems normal It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and unremarkable for had a woman to have a job other than a secretary, back then Uhura being yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in a ([[MildlyMilitary almost military]]) job the way that every female member of the crew is practically nude and being black sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. ** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock telling her to enjoy is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene and [[CharacterDerailment undermining all three characters]]. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then. ** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." Go George! Back then, Uhura existing in a command settle was a huge leap forward.
8th Jan '16 4:02:28 PM backpack
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The titular character from ''Elaan of Troyius''. She's a JerkAss, true, but she's expected to learn perfect manners for her ArrangedMarriage. Apparently this is the only method two space-faring races can think of two avert conflict...
This list shows the last 10 events of 289. Show all.