History YMMV / StarTrekVItheUndiscoveredCountry

7th Nov '17 6:07:08 PM Premonition45
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** Nicholas Meyer wanted Saavik to be TheMole for this film, but for various reasons, notably Gene Roddenberry's objections, the character of Lt. Valeris was created instead. In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' two-part episode "Gambit", Robin Curtis, who played Saavik in ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' and ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'', would play Tallera, a member of a Vulcan isolationist group, thus giving a glimpse at what a villainous Saavik might have been like.

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** Nicholas Meyer wanted Saavik to be TheMole for this film, but for various reasons, notably Gene Roddenberry's objections, the character of Lt. Valeris was created instead. In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' two-part episode "Gambit", Robin Curtis, who played Saavik in ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' and ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'', would play played Tallera, a member of a Vulcan isolationist group, thus giving a glimpse at what a villainous Saavik might have been like.
7th Nov '17 6:06:04 PM Premonition45
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** Nicholas Meyer wanted Saavik to be TheMole for this film, but for various reasons, notably Gene Roddenberry's objections, the character of Lt. Valeris was created instead. In the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' two-part episode "Gambit", Robin Curtis, who played Saavik in ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' and ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'', would play Tallera, a member of a Vulcan isolationist group, thus giving a glimpse at what a villainous Saavik might have been like.
24th Oct '17 6:39:57 PM Premonition45
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** Federation and Klingon hardliners try to sabotage the peace talks between their leaders. In 2015, 47 Republican senators tried reaching Iranian hardliners to try and do the same thing between President Obama and the Iranian leadership.


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** This won't be the last time [[Film/TomorrowNeverDies a general named Chang tries to start a war using a stealth ship]]. ''Star Trek VI'' director/co-writer Creator/NicholasMeyer was also a ghostwriter for ''Tomorrow Never Dies''.
19th Oct '17 6:14:05 PM TinMan
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** Starfleet's decision to decommission the ''Enterprise''-A at the end of the movie. Was it because the ''Enterprise'' was simply too old to be worth repairing, as was the case of the original at the beginning of ''The Search for Spock'', or was it a vindictive punishment for all of crew's shenanigans in this movie? Kirk offhandedly mentioned earlier in the movie that the crew was due to stand down in six months, but whether this meant the ''Enterprise''-A itself was already set for decommissioning and it's just being done early is unclear.
6th Oct '17 1:23:12 PM Premonition45
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* HilariousInHindsight: The Klingon Assassin is actually [[spoiler:Starfleet's Colonel West]]. Rene Auberjonois, who played [[spoiler:West]], would also appear disguised as a Klingon in the ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS05E01ApocalypseRising Apocalypse Rising]]".

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* HilariousInHindsight: The Klingon Assassin is actually [[spoiler:Starfleet's Colonel West]]. Rene Auberjonois, who played [[spoiler:West]], would also appear disguised as a Klingon in the ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS05E01ApocalypseRising Apocalypse Rising]]". Amusingly, his characters have opposing motivations: [[spoiler:West]] was trying to start a war between the Klingons and the Federation, Odo was trying to stop the Klingon/Federation War going on at that point in the series.
22nd Sep '17 7:07:29 PM TinMan
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: This film addresses the fears many people had about the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
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This film addresses the fears many people had about the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** Admiral Cartwright, played by [[Film/ToKillAMockingBird Brock Peters]], is a stark and uncomfortable reminder that racism can come in any form.
8th Sep '17 10:05:01 PM Kalaong
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** Notably, one of those who had a serious problem with the script was '''Gene Roddenberry himself.''' He was particularly disturbed by the more militaristic scenes and treating Kirk's history distrust of Klingons as racism; the original series clearly used the Klingons as "alien Russians" who were guilty of serious ''ongoing'' violations of human rights, and he was disgusted with the main plot being ''defending'' them through military action without answering for those crimes - he especially disapproved of how the death of David Marcus was used. Luckily for Paramount, Roddenberry died two days after the movie was screened for him, before his lawyer could present his demands to the studio.
1st Sep '17 4:05:22 AM HalcyonDayz
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** Not to mention that, by DS9's time, we're talking 70-80 years of peace between the Federation and the Klingons, which isn't a bad run at all. Who's to say that a Federation conquest of the Klingon Empire wouldn't have resulted in something much darker by the mid-24th century?

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** Not to mention that, by DS9's [=DS9=]'s time, we're talking 70-80 years of peace between the Federation and the Klingons, which isn't a bad run at all. Who's to say that a Federation conquest of the Klingon Empire wouldn't have resulted in something much darker by the mid-24th century?
28th Aug '17 7:46:46 PM HeraldAlberich
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There's a faction of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' fandom, particularly in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'''s playerbase, that views the destruction of Praxis as a missed opportunity for the Federation to deal with the Klingons permanently, that they should have taken the opportunity to launch a full-scale invasion because the peace, however well-intentioned, would not prove sustainable: "Yesterday's Enterprise" showed the Klingons and Federation at war despite the Khitomer Accords, with this only averted in the prime timeline through the loss of the ''Enterprise''-C against their mutual foe the Romulans. In 2372 the Klingons go off half-cocked against the newly democratic Cardassian Union, eventually driving them right into the hands of the Dominion, and declaring war on the Federation when their allies tried to rein them in. The exact same thing as in 2372 happened in the backstory to ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', only with the Undine instead of the Dominion as bogeyman du jour. In both of the latter two instances, the alliance was only restored by [[EnemyMine a mutual enemy]]. ''So what happens when the Federation runs out of mutual foes they can distract the Klingons with?'' But hey, we got an end-of-the-UsefulNotes/ColdWar allegory out of it, right? And as with the collapse of the Soviet Union, it didn't take so very long for the Klingon "allies" to fall back into their old habits. Exhibit A: Vladimir Putin.
** Subverted; they did so because they believed Undine had infiltrated all the major powers, tried to get the others to join in on rooting them out, yet were rebuffed. They were ''completely right''. And as soon as this menace is fully revealed, they go back to being friends like nothing happened. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also, the Federation isn't the type to launch invasions before a war starts]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There's a faction of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' fandom, particularly in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'''s playerbase, that views the destruction of Praxis as a missed opportunity for the Federation to deal with the Klingons permanently, that they should have taken the opportunity to launch a full-scale invasion because the peace, however well-intentioned, would not prove sustainable: "Yesterday's Enterprise" showed "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E15YesterdaysEnterprise Yesterday's Enterprise]]" shows the Klingons and Federation at war despite the Khitomer Accords, with this only averted in the prime timeline through the loss of the ''Enterprise''-C against their mutual foe the Romulans. In 2372 the Klingons go off half-cocked against the newly democratic Cardassian Union, eventually driving them right into the hands of the Dominion, and declaring war on the Federation when their allies tried try to rein them in. The exact same thing as in 2372 happened happens in the backstory to ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'', only with the Undine instead of the Dominion as bogeyman du jour. In both of the latter two instances, the alliance was only restored by [[EnemyMine a mutual enemy]]. ''So what happens when the Federation runs out of mutual foes they can distract the Klingons with?'' But hey, we got an end-of-the-UsefulNotes/ColdWar allegory out of it, right? And as with the collapse of the Soviet Union, it didn't take so very long for the Klingon "allies" to fall back into their old habits. Exhibit A: Vladimir Putin.
** Subverted; they did so because they believed Undine had infiltrated all the major powers, tried to get the others to join in on rooting them out, yet were rebuffed. They were ''completely right''. And as soon as this menace is fully revealed, they go back to being friends like nothing happened. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also, the Federation isn't the type to launch invasions before a war starts]].starts.]]



* AuthorsSavingThrow: Finally seeing some payoff for the death of David Marcus in "The Search for Spock".

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Finally seeing some payoff for the death of David Marcus in "The ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock The Search for Spock".Spock]]''.



* BetterOnDVD: When you watch the film again, you can see just when Spock slaps the patch on Kirk - and see the patch, too. The Klingons weren't very thorough, huh? Or perhaps just didn't recognize it as important?

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* BetterOnDVD: When you watch the film again, you can see just when Spock slaps the patch on Kirk - and Kirk--and see the patch, too. The Klingons weren't very thorough, huh? Or perhaps just didn't recognize it as important?



* HarsherInHindsight: The film was written at the latest early in 1991 (to give time for filming and post-production for the December release date). The film was essentially about a dual coup attempt against both the Klingons and the Federation so that BloodKnight elements in both could continue their war. In August 1991, there was a coup attempt against Gorbachev in the USSR, by BloodKnight elements in the CPSU who wanted to continue the Cold War.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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The film was written at the latest early in 1991 (to give time for filming and post-production for the December release date). The film was essentially about a dual coup attempt against both the Klingons and the Federation so that BloodKnight elements in both could continue their war. In August 1991, there was a coup attempt against Gorbachev in the USSR, by BloodKnight elements in the CPSU who wanted to continue the Cold War.



* HilariousInHindsight: The Klingon Assassin is actually [[spoiler:Starfleet Colonel West]]. Rene Auberjonois, who played [[spoiler:West]] would also appear disguised as a Klingon in the ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "Apocalypse Rising".
* HoYay: Kirk and Spock are in the same film, of course there is. There's one particular scene in a corridor that was a deep breath away from being a kiss.
* LifeImitatesArt: The plot of the film, whereby hardliners attempt a coup against the moderate leader in the hostile empire, was nearly repeated as the film was being edited: in form of the August coup against Mikhail Gorbachev, on whom Gorkon was based, by hardliners who wanted to go back to the good old Cold War days.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The Klingon Assassin is actually [[spoiler:Starfleet [[spoiler:Starfleet's Colonel West]]. Rene Auberjonois, who played [[spoiler:West]] [[spoiler:West]], would also appear disguised as a Klingon in the ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "Apocalypse Rising".
"[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS05E01ApocalypseRising Apocalypse Rising]]".
* HoYay: Kirk and Spock are in the same film, of course there is. There's one particular scene in a corridor that was that's a deep breath away from being a kiss.
* LifeImitatesArt: The plot of the film, whereby hardliners attempt a coup against the moderate leader in the hostile empire, was nearly repeated as the film was being edited: edited, in the form of the August coup against Mikhail Gorbachev, on whom Gorkon was based, by hardliners who wanted to go back to the good old Cold War days.



* NightmareFuel: Spock's reaction to [[spoiler:Valeris' betrayal]]. It's chilling to think of how furious he must be to display that much emotion.

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* NightmareFuel: Spock's reaction to [[spoiler:Valeris' [[spoiler:Valeris's betrayal]]. It's chilling to think of how furious he must be to display that much emotion.



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*** Not all the exterior shots, in fact not many of them at all. This film's visuals of the Enterprise are completely different in style altogether to the other movies, and suffer by comparison. Despite using the same filming model. Especially rubbish is the "warp to camera shot" after Kirk says "Come on, I need you" to Spock.

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*** Not all the exterior shots, in fact not many of them at all. This film's visuals of the Enterprise ''Enterprise'' are completely different in style altogether to the other movies, and suffer by comparison. Despite using the same filming model. Especially rubbish is the "warp to camera shot" after Kirk says says, "Come on, I need you" you," to Spock.



*** It's interesting to compare the blood effects in this film with "Barge of the Dead", an episode of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' which aired only 8 years later, to see how much CGI blood (and indeed, CGI liquids in general) had been improved.
*** The Zero-G blood drops were also one of the first uses of an at-the-time new CGI technology called "metaballs" - a new way to make smooth, blobby, and more organic objects. As much a tech demo proof-of-concept for the technology as a special effect.

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*** It's interesting to compare the blood effects in this film with "Barge "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS6E3BargeOfTheDead Barge of the Dead", Dead]]", an episode of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' which aired only 8 years later, to see how much CGI blood (and indeed, CGI liquids in general) had been improved.
*** The Zero-G blood drops were also one of the first uses of an at-the-time new CGI technology called "metaballs" - a "metaballs"--a new way to make smooth, blobby, and more organic objects. As much a tech demo proof-of-concept for the technology as a special effect.



** Chang is clearly the obvious villain of the piece, though - covering for the [[spoiler: real twist in the film that ''Starfleet officers'' are part of a conspiracy, and that ''they'' supplied Chang with the damning recording of Kirk]].

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** Chang is clearly the obvious villain of the piece, though - covering though--covering for the [[spoiler: real twist in the film that ''Starfleet officers'' are part of a conspiracy, and that ''they'' supplied Chang with the damning recording of Kirk]].



23rd May '17 12:32:38 PM StarTropes
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** And don't forget that [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise by the 26th century, the Klingons have officially joined the Federation]]. EarnYourHappyEnding, right?
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