History YMMV / StarTrekTheNextGeneration

23rd Mar '17 4:48:41 PM Pren
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** The theory advanced in varying degrees of seriousness over the years that Picard deliberately let Jack Crusher die so he could have a shot with Beverly.

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** The theory advanced in varying degrees of seriousness over the years that Picard deliberately let Jack Crusher die so he could have a shot with Beverly. It helps that a novel reveals that ''is'' exactly what happened in the Mirror Universe.
23rd Mar '17 1:46:58 PM Allronix
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* FriendlyFandoms: Pre-Internet, there was an informal trading network. The British were airing STTNG at least a season behind the Americans, and Americans only got to see ''Series/DoctorWho'' if their local PBS station was begging for cash. Queue some quasi-formal tape exchanges across the pond.
13th Mar '17 11:59:54 PM ShorinBJ
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** Creator/TeriHatcher, all of 23 years old, appears as a transporter operator in "The Outrageous Okona". Complete with 80s hair.

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** Creator/TeriHatcher, Teri Hatcher, all of 23 years old, appears as a transporter operator in "The Outrageous Okona". Complete with 80s hair.hair.
** Suzie Plakson is known to Next Gen fans as K'Ehleyr, Worf's witty lady love, but younger TV audiences probably know her better as Judy Eriksen, Marshall's mom on ''Series/HowIMetYourMother''.
** Noted hottie Nikki Cox is barely recognizable, not only because she's in heavy alien makeup, but because she's ten.
** Famke Jannsen appears opposite Patrick Stewart for the first time in "The Perfect Mate", years before ''Film/XMen''



*** Creator/MarcAlaimo played the first Romulan to appear in the series (Commander Tebok) and ''then'' the first Cardassian to appear in the franchise (Gul Macet) before being cast in his best-known role, Gul Dukat.
*** Creator/EthanPhillips (Neelix) played a Ferengi in "Menage a Troi".
*** One of the technicians who tries to take over the ''Enterprise'' in "Starship Mine" is played by Creator/TimRuss before we knew him as Tuvok.
*** A well-known example is Creator/RobertDuncanMcNeill playing Nicholas Locarno in "The First Duty". Depending on who you ask, Tom Paris was either created as an {{Expy}} of Locarno so they wouldn't have to pay royalties, or there were other reasons, such as that the creators of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' felt Locarno was irredeemable.

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*** Creator/MarcAlaimo Marc Alaimo played the first Romulan to appear in the series (Commander Tebok) in "The Neutral Zone" and ''then'' the first Cardassian to appear in the franchise (Gul Macet) in "The Wounded", before being cast in his best-known role, Gul Dukat.
*** Creator/EthanPhillips Ethan Phillips (Neelix) played a Ferengi in "Menage a Troi".
*** One of the technicians who tries to take over the ''Enterprise'' in "Starship Mine" is played by Creator/TimRuss Tim Russ before we knew him as Tuvok.
*** A well-known example is Creator/RobertDuncanMcNeill Robert Duncan [=McNeill=] playing Nicholas Locarno in "The First Duty". Depending on who you ask, Tom Paris was either created as an {{Expy}} of Locarno so they wouldn't have to pay royalties, or there were other reasons, such as that the creators of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' felt Locarno was irredeemable. For what it's worth, [=McNeill=] has said they're very different characters; "Locarno seemed like a nice guy, but deep down he was a bad guy. Tom Paris is an opposite premise in a way. Deep down he's a good guy. He's just made some mistakes."
*** Max Grodenchik puts in a couple of appearances as two different Ferengi before playing Rom on [=DS9=].
13th Mar '17 11:39:53 PM ShorinBJ
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** Creator/TeriHatcher, all of 23 years old, appears as a transporter operator, complete with 80s hair.

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** Creator/TeriHatcher, all of 23 years old, appears as a transporter operator, complete operator in "The Outrageous Okona". Complete with 80s hair.hair.
** Just within the franchise:
*** The captain of a Ferengi ship in "The Last Outpost", the episode in which they were introduced was Creator/ArminShimerman, better known as Quark.
*** Creator/MarcAlaimo played the first Romulan to appear in the series (Commander Tebok) and ''then'' the first Cardassian to appear in the franchise (Gul Macet) before being cast in his best-known role, Gul Dukat.
*** Creator/EthanPhillips (Neelix) played a Ferengi in "Menage a Troi".
*** One of the technicians who tries to take over the ''Enterprise'' in "Starship Mine" is played by Creator/TimRuss before we knew him as Tuvok.
*** A well-known example is Creator/RobertDuncanMcNeill playing Nicholas Locarno in "The First Duty". Depending on who you ask, Tom Paris was either created as an {{Expy}} of Locarno so they wouldn't have to pay royalties, or there were other reasons, such as that the creators of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' felt Locarno was irredeemable.
13th Mar '17 11:19:56 PM ShorinBJ
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* RelationshipSue: [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in "The Perfect Mate", when the Enterprise unknowingly winds up transporting a woman who's been raised and designed to be a Relationship Sue to whatever man she happens to be with. After being encouraged to make her own choices and formulate her own beliefs, she's forced to realize how empty her existence as a RelationshipSue is, as she essentially has no thoughts or feelings of her own.



** Lwaxanna Troi was described by some critics as like a dentist drill in her first few appearances, with both "Haven" and "Manhunt" cringeworthy episodes (like most of the first few two seasons) and her overbearing personality contributing to that. Starting with "Menage a' Troi" in the third season, she became a lot more tolerable, even sympathetic while also being quite funny. Her last TNG episode "Dark Page" is considered one of the biggest {{Tearjerker}}s of the franchise.
* RelationshipSue: [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in "The Perfect Mate", when the Enterprise unknowingly winds up transporting a woman who's been raised and designed to be a Relationship Sue to whatever man she happens to be with. After being encouraged to make her own choices and formulate her own beliefs, she's forced to realize how empty her existence as a RelationshipSue is, as she essentially has no thoughts or feelings of her own.

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** Lwaxanna Lwaxana Troi was described by some critics as like a dentist drill in her first few appearances, with both "Haven" and "Manhunt" cringeworthy episodes (like most of the first few two seasons) and her overbearing personality contributing to that. Starting with "Menage a' Troi" in the third season, she became a lot more tolerable, even sympathetic while also being quite funny. Her last TNG episode "Dark Page" is considered one of the biggest {{Tearjerker}}s of the franchise.
* RelationshipSue: [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in "The Perfect Mate", when the Enterprise unknowingly winds up transporting a woman who's been raised and designed to be a Relationship Sue to whatever man she happens to be with. After being encouraged to make her own choices and formulate her own beliefs, she's forced to realize how empty her existence as a RelationshipSue is, as she essentially has no thoughts or feelings of her own.
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** Creator/TeriHatcher, all of 23 years old, appears as a transporter operator, complete with 80s hair.
13th Mar '17 1:46:44 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Dr. Pulaski. Pulaski replaced Wesley's mother as the ship's doctor for a single season before fan outcry got them to bring Dr. Crusher back. As often happens in life, first impressions are everything. Not only was she a ReplacementScrappy, but the writers made a major miscalculation in their attempt to make her a DistaffCounterpart of [[TheMcCoy Dr. McCoy]] from the original series. Since [=McCoy's=] arguments with Spock were such a fan favorite aspect of the character, the writers tried to duplicate it by having Pulaski take a dislike to [[TheSpock Data]] and toss him similar insults about being so logical all the time. Unfortunately, unlike Spock, Data couldn't even really understand that he was being insulted and could not respond in kind. Also, Data is very rarely wrong, so Pulaski's mockery of Data's aping of human traits makes her seem like a bigot. Other than Pulaski, every TNG character who has expressed doubt in Data's sentience has been labeled a villain. Worse, Pulaski behaved boorishly to Captain Picard in her very first scene. If an incoming department head tried that in a Naval ship, she'd probably be tossed overboard. The character mellowed out by her second episode, but the damage was done. Diana Muldaur left the show on less-than-harmonious terms; a mess all around. However, some fans at least acknowledge that she was a competent and intelligent doctor. (And a good actress, as her two parts in classic ''Trek'' show.)

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** Dr. Pulaski. Pulaski replaced Wesley's mother as the ship's doctor for a single season before fan outcry got them to bring Dr. Crusher back. As often happens in life, first impressions are everything. Not only was she a ReplacementScrappy, but the writers made a major miscalculation in their attempt to make her a DistaffCounterpart of [[TheMcCoy Dr. McCoy]] from the original series. Since [=McCoy's=] arguments with Spock were such a fan favorite aspect of the character, the writers tried to duplicate it by having Pulaski take a dislike to [[TheSpock Data]] and toss him similar insults about being so logical all the time. Unfortunately, unlike Spock, Data couldn't even really understand that he was being insulted and could not respond in kind. Also, Data is very rarely wrong, so Pulaski's mockery of Data's aping of human traits makes her seem come across like a bigot.bigot bullying a mentally disabled person. Other than Pulaski, every TNG character who has expressed doubt in Data's sentience has been labeled a villain. Worse, Pulaski behaved boorishly to Captain Picard in her very first scene. If an incoming department head tried that in a Naval ship, she'd probably be tossed overboard. The character mellowed out by her second episode, but the damage was done. Diana Muldaur left the show on less-than-harmonious terms; a mess all around. However, some fans at least acknowledge that she was a competent and intelligent doctor. (And a good actress, as her two parts in classic ''Trek'' show.)
11th Mar '17 3:53:26 PM nombretomado
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** In "Skin of Evil", [[http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x23/skinofevil_hd_462.jpg the holodeck program]] where Tasha Yar's memorial service is held looks very much like [[http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/windows_xp_bliss-wide.jpg the standard wallpaper]] of [[MicrosoftWindows Windows XP]].

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** In "Skin of Evil", [[http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x23/skinofevil_hd_462.jpg the holodeck program]] where Tasha Yar's memorial service is held looks very much like [[http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/windows_xp_bliss-wide.jpg the standard wallpaper]] of [[MicrosoftWindows [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows Windows XP]].
6th Mar '17 4:59:19 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Though seasons 3 onward strove for a more timeless aesthetic, the first two seasons were filmed at the height of the 80s and hoo boy, do they look it.
5th Mar '17 1:02:21 AM ShorinBJ
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** Most of Trek fandom believes that the Traveller interest in Wesley makes him come off as a ''pedophile''. Even Creator/WilWheaton has lampshaded how creepy this was in retrospect, in the review he did of "Where No One Has Gone Before".

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** Most of Trek fandom believes that the Traveller Traveler's interest in Wesley makes him come off as a ''pedophile''. Even Creator/WilWheaton has lampshaded how creepy this was in retrospect, in the review he did of "Where No One Has Gone Before".



** Riker is supposedly an ambitious officer, yet turns down one command after another, remaining First Officer on ''two'' versions of the ''Enterprise'' over the span of roughly a decade and a half. The unflattering implication is that he refuses to command any starship less cool than a ''Galaxy''-class. Even Picard had previously served as Captain of the ''Stargazer'', a ship which by his own admission was plagued by mechanical problems and nowhere near top-of-the-line, before being given command of the brand-new ''Enterprise-D''.

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** Riker is supposedly an ambitious officer, yet turns down one command after another, remaining First Officer first officer on ''two'' versions of the ''Enterprise'' over the span of roughly a decade and a half.half, plus his previous stint as first officer of the ''Hood''. The flattering interpretation is that he wants to stay with his friends and continue learning from Picard. The unflattering implication is that he refuses to command any starship less cool than a ''Galaxy''-class. Either suggests he's gotten a bit too comfortable. Even Picard had previously served as Captain captain of the ''Stargazer'', a ship which by his own admission was plagued by mechanical problems and nowhere near top-of-the-line, before being given command of the brand-new ''Enterprise-D''.



** "Force of Nature" reveals that excessive use of warp capable ships and other subspace technology is damaging the fabric of subspace itself, slowly creating an approaching environmental collapse and will only increase exponentially over years. The allegory there was heavy handed and everyone knew it, which was a detriment to the episode.

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** "Force of Nature" reveals that excessive use of warp capable ships and other subspace technology is damaging the fabric of subspace itself, slowly creating an approaching environmental collapse and will only increase exponentially over years. The allegory there was heavy handed heavyhanded and everyone knew it, which was a detriment to the episode.



** Captain Edward Jellico from the two-part episode "Chain of Command" is one of ''Franchise/StarTrek'''s most polarizing characters. His fans see him as a bold, effective officer who magnificently outwitted the Cardassians and justified in taking Riker off duty because Riker did a really bad job of hiding his dislike of the new captain, who as a new commander in a crisis ''needs'' supportive officers. His detractors consider him a huge JerkAss who had no business [[ReplacementScrappy filling in for Picard]] and [[TyrantTakesTheHelm making changes to the way things were run]] on the ''Enterprise'', especially during a crisis when the crew was antsy to begin with and Riker was acting on the complaints of other senior officers. Fans who aren't invested in the argument think that he is a bold, effective officer who magnificently outwitted the Cardassians, but he's also a petty ControlFreak with little consideration for his subordinates. In other words: brilliant tactical officer, JerkAss, and not a fun captain to serve under.

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** Captain Edward Jellico from the two-part episode "Chain of Command" is one of ''Franchise/StarTrek'''s most polarizing characters. His fans see him as a bold, effective officer who magnificently outwitted the Cardassians and justified in taking Riker off duty because Riker did a really bad job of hiding his dislike of the new captain, who as a new commander in a crisis ''needs'' supportive officers. His detractors consider him a huge JerkAss who had no business [[ReplacementScrappy filling in for Picard]] and [[TyrantTakesTheHelm making changes to the way things were run]] on the ''Enterprise'', especially during a crisis when the crew was antsy to begin with and Riker was acting on the complaints of other senior officers. Fans who aren't invested in the argument think that he is a bold, effective officer who magnificently outwitted the Cardassians, but he's also a petty ControlFreak with little consideration for his subordinates. In other words: brilliant tactical officer, JerkAss, and not a fun captain to serve under.basically both.



** Data's [[CainAndAbel brother]] [[PsychoPrototype Lore]], one of the nastiest and most deranged villains in the entire ''Star Trek'' franchise, is a thoroughly unsympathetic android who kills his creator, [[BigBrotherBully reprograms his brother to follow his every command]], and threatens to set teenage Wesley on fire. He summoned the Crystalline Entity to his creator's colony when the other colonists petitioned Soong to deactivate him out of fear that he would turn on them, and since then, he's been on quest to wipe out all organic life from the universe. If he ever shows affection, it's just to manipulate Data into collaborating. He also tried to make the Borg an even greater threat to TheFederation than they already were. Given everything else we saw of his true nature, it's obvious that he mostly did it for his own sick amusement.
** Kivas Fajo, from season 3's "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E22TheMostToys The Most Toys]]", is a CollectorOfTheStrange with the attitude of a [[PsychopathicManchild sociopathic brat]], who uses his job as a trader to cover for his thievery of unique and valuable objects. After desiring to add Data, the only known sentient android in the galaxy to his collection, he[[WaterSourceTampering poisons an inhabited planet's water supply]] so [[PoisonAndCureGambit he can kidnap Data and cover it up as an accidental death while trading over the antidote]]. When Data is in his care, Fajo [[ItIsDehumanizing doesn't care about his sentience]] and degrades and humiliates him into catering to his whims, insistent that he's just another shiny object. When Data refuses to comply, Fajo eventually forces him to obey by threatening to kill his broken, co-dependent slave girlfriend Varria with a [[DeathRay Varon-T Disruptor]], which is illegal to carry in the Federation due to the [[AgonyBeam agonizingly slow and torturous]] way it kills its targets from the inside out. When Varria helps Data escape, Fajo murders her with it and [[NeverMyFault pins the blame on Data]]. He then threatens to continue killing more of his own servants if Data keeps refusing to obey him, and even dismisses Varria's death by stating that he can easily find a replacement. Among the series's [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains of the Week]], Kivas Fajo is without a doubt among the worst.

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** Data's [[CainAndAbel brother]] [[PsychoPrototype Lore]], one of the nastiest and most deranged villains in the entire ''Star Trek'' franchise, is a thoroughly unsympathetic android who kills his creator, [[BigBrotherBully reprograms gets his brother addicted to emotions so he'll follow his every command]], and threatens to set teenage Wesley on fire. He summoned the Crystalline Entity to his creator's colony when the other colonists petitioned Soong to deactivate him out of fear that he would turn on them, and since then, he's been on quest to wipe out all organic life from the universe. If he ever shows affection, it's just to manipulate Data into collaborating. He also tried to make the Borg an even greater threat to TheFederation than they already were. Given everything else we saw of his true nature, it's obvious that he mostly did it for his own sick amusement.
** Kivas Fajo, from season 3's "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E22TheMostToys The Most Toys]]", is a CollectorOfTheStrange with the attitude of a [[PsychopathicManchild sociopathic brat]], who uses his job as a trader to cover for his thievery of unique and valuable objects. After desiring to add Data, the only known sentient android in the galaxy to his collection, he[[WaterSourceTampering he [[WaterSourceTampering poisons an inhabited planet's water supply]] so [[PoisonAndCureGambit he can kidnap Data and cover it up as an accidental death while trading over the antidote]]. When Data is in his care, Fajo [[ItIsDehumanizing doesn't care about his sentience]] and degrades and humiliates him into catering to his whims, insistent that he's just another shiny object. When Data refuses to comply, Fajo eventually forces him to obey by threatening to kill his broken, co-dependent slave girlfriend Varria with a [[DeathRay Varon-T Disruptor]], which is illegal to carry in the Federation due to the [[AgonyBeam agonizingly slow and torturous]] way it kills its targets from the inside out. When Varria helps Data escape, Fajo murders her with it and [[NeverMyFault pins the blame on Data]]. He then threatens to continue killing more of his own servants if Data keeps refusing to obey him, and even dismisses Varria's death by stating that he can easily find a replacement. Among the series's [[VillainOfTheWeek Villains of the Week]], Kivas Fajo is without a doubt among the worst.



* DesignatedHero: The show's main cast in most of the first two seasons. Picard especially, showing himself to a {{Jerkass}} as well a total bigot, and yet the audience was meant to agree with him. Thankfully their characterization improved when the show's writing got better.

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* DesignatedHero: The show's main cast in most of the first two seasons. Picard especially, showing himself to be a {{Jerkass}} as well a total bigot, and yet the audience was meant to agree with him. Thankfully their characterization improved when the show's writing got better.



* GeniusBonus: In the episode ''Phantasms,'' Data has a holodeck session with the hologram of Sigmund Freud, who quickly interprets his dreams as meaning he wishes to possess his mother and find a (possibly violent) outlet for his sexual desire. When Data tried to explain he had neither a mother or a sex drive, Freud wouldn't listen. This is a classic demonstration of unfalsifiability, a problem that many modern psychologists have with Freud's theories.

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* GeniusBonus: In the episode ''Phantasms,'' Data has a holodeck session with the hologram of Sigmund Freud, who quickly interprets his dreams as meaning he wishes to possess his mother and find a (possibly violent) outlet for his sexual desire. When Data tried to explain he had neither a mother or nor a sex drive, Freud wouldn't listen. This is a classic demonstration of unfalsifiability, a problem that many modern psychologists have with Freud's theories.



** The addition of Michael Piller was a huge boon for the franchise, one you can thank Maurice Hurley for. (See? He wasn't totally useless.) With him came Ron Moore, who had been rubber-hecking around the set for a while and finally sold his first script, "The Bonding", to Piller in season 3.

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** The addition of Michael Piller was a huge boon for the franchise, one you can thank Maurice Hurley for. (See? He wasn't totally useless.) With him came Ron Moore, who had been rubber-hecking rubber-necking around the set for a while and finally sold his first script, "The Bonding", to Piller in season 3.



** "Measure of a Man": Intelligence is human, no matter it's form; android or human, dark skin or light. And in case you missed the subtext, Guinan is there to make damn sure you get it.

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** "Measure of a Man": Intelligence is human, no matter it's its form; android or human, dark skin or light. And in case you missed the subtext, Guinan is there to make damn sure you get it.
5th Mar '17 12:33:11 AM ShorinBJ
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* InformedWrongness: Worf is depicted as wrong for refusing to donate tissue to save a wounded Romulan officer. He has plenty of reason, ''and'' the Romulan states he would rather die than "pollute [his] body with Klingon filth."



** Q in all his appearances, to one degree or another, often with [[HilarityEnsues very entertaining results.]] Omnipotent, yet petty; cruel but not vicious; causing devastation yet helpful at times, you really couldn't help but love the bastard(s). According to the Expanded Universe novel "I, Q" [[WordOfSaintPaul written by de Lancie]] the first time Q appeared to the Enterprise with all the 'judging humanity' bit, he was really just trying to screw with them for the lulz. Apparently after finding the Enterprise screw severely stuck up and no fun at all he went directly to a human colony on Rigel where they were celebrating Fat Tuesday. Although considering Q's sense of humor...

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** Q in all his appearances, to one degree or another, often with [[HilarityEnsues very entertaining results.]] Omnipotent, yet petty; cruel but not vicious; causing devastation yet helpful at times, you really couldn't help but love the bastard(s). According to the Expanded Universe novel "I, Q" [[WordOfSaintPaul written by de Lancie]] the first time Q appeared to the Enterprise with all the 'judging humanity' bit, he was really just trying to screw with them for the lulz. Apparently after finding the Enterprise screw crew severely stuck up and no fun at all all, he went directly to a human colony on Rigel where they were celebrating Fat Tuesday. Although considering Q's sense of humor...
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