History YMMV / StarTrekOnline

16th Feb '17 4:54:05 AM themisterfree
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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]]

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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]]]] Also, he's voiced by Creator/CharlieAdler, who's [[SwatKats been a badass before]].
11th Feb '17 8:48:42 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* HateSink: ''Delta Rising'' and Season 10, effectively Stephen D'Angelo's legacy with this game, is this to many players. Game Mechanics nonewithstanding, this period saw three threatening villain forces essentially tossed at our heroes - the Iconians, the Vaadwaur and the Undine - and effectively steamrolled even though the story tells us we're not at times, the IdiotBall mass-produced to just about everyone and established rules thrown aside for their own. It's probably not surprising when Season 11 and its connection to ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''[='=]s Temporal Cold War was introduced, the major consensus was essentially "At least it isn't the Iconian War."
** The [[KarmaHoudini Kobali]], albeit unintentionally. Large portions of the fanbase are ''still'' touchy about the subject due to the blatant {{railroading}} and questionable morality of the Kobali arc.
** [[SmugSnake Sela]] has a substantial hatedom thanks to her constant [[KarmaHoudini implausible escapes from justice]].



* LateArrivalSpoiler: Pretty much everybody knows about the Iconians' involvement in STO by now, even newcomers to the game. It doesn't help that the title screen read "Star Trek Online: The Iconian War" for a good long while.



* MissingTrailerScene: The game suffers from this occasionally, as some content seen in trailers for the various seasons is either changed or outright removed from the actual version, such as a scene from the season 6 trailer showing players in EV suits fighting Tholians onboard a damaged starship.



** The [[spoiler:Tuterians in ''Butterfly''. A peaceful race living in the fringe of the Delta Quadrant, accidentally ''erased from modern history'' because of a miscalculation during the use of the Krenim Temporal Warship. And they weren't just [[CessationOfExistence erased]], they were [[FateWorseThanDeath assimilated by the Borg]]. We never even got to meet then, save for the wife of a Krenim researcher.]]
*** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: [[spoiler:Worse, some of them survived...and became the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Sphere Builders]]]].

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** The [[spoiler:Tuterians in ''Butterfly''. A peaceful race living in the fringe of the Delta Quadrant, accidentally ''erased from modern history'' because of a miscalculation during the use of the Krenim Temporal Warship. And they weren't just [[CessationOfExistence erased]], they were [[FateWorseThanDeath assimilated by the Borg]]. We never even got to meet then, save for the wife of a Krenim researcher.]]
*** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds:
]] [[spoiler:Worse, some of them survived...and became the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Sphere Builders]]]].
11th Feb '17 8:44:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: The ''entire'' Temporal Cold War arc could've been avoided by going back just a couple of weeks and disabling or destroying [[spoiler:Noye's timeship]].
31st Jan '17 4:19:11 PM Blazer
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** The Lukari. In a reversal of the Romulan/Vulcan schism, the Lukari left their planet of Kentar because they couldn't stand the self-destructive nature and opted to follow the more peaceful path of the scholar Lukar. They found a planet to live on, only to have their sun be targeted by the Tholians in order to draw out Kal Dano as part of their revenge scheme against the Na'kuhl. Then, they find themselves dragged into the Alpha Quadrant Alliance's new quarrel against the Tzenkethi when it's revealed that they're using Protomatter to cleanse worlds. And, in searching for more Tzenkethi weapons, it's discovered that [[spoiler:the Kentari killed themselves in their self-destructive ways, their planet a polluted wasteland.]]
21st Jan '17 7:39:02 PM Worffan101
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** {{Inverted}} with Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.

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** {{Inverted}} with Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him. Possibly because the game's art has always been great and Tacofangs is well-known to be an easygoing guy. This reached memetic status when Tacofangs was declared "Forum Overlord" at one point.



** Neelix just can't get away from this to some players.

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** Neelix just can't get away from this to some players. {{Lampshaded}} at one point where the player can tell Neelix that there is no need of his diplomacy "skills" at a meeting with the [[BigBad Vaadwaur leader Gaul]].



** {{Inverted}} with the Lukari story arc; the Lukari, being friendly and idealistic explorers, have been much better received than the last new species created for STO, the Deferi. Plus, though there isn't much going on in the latest featured mission, it does contain a lot of TOS-styled environments and TOS nostalgia, which a lot of people liked.



* WinBackTheCrowd: In a sense. One of the major complaints players had since Stephen D'Angelo's second reign in the game was a horrible lack of communication. It made players feel that Cryptic was trying its best to kill the game by ignoring players. When Stephen "[=SalamiInferno=]" Ricossa took over the reigns, he made players a lot happier with his quick response due to a massive miscommunication mix up and an extension to the event. However, this is still a massive YMMV, as while players on the Reddit forums were more accepting of the apology and the response, those on the forums were quick to put down the new EP, stating that, instead of an extension, they should have put back everything the way it was.
** Message Board Community Manager "[=LaughingTrendy=]" has been doing this since she took over the reigns after "[=CaptainSmirk's=]" sudden firing. Trendy's actions have been firm, yet fair, getting things back on topic instead of shutting them down when they went off topic and actually approaching those at Cryptic about players' problems.
** The Phoenix Prize Pack, which allows players to be able to try to win retired items for a simple Dilithium fee has really gone over well with the player base.
** The Lukari arc has been welcomed simply because it doesn't involve Iconians or mind-bending time travel, and because of the TOS nostalgia and the Lukari being generally nice to be around.



* WinBackTheCrowd: In a sense. One of the major complaints players had since Stephen D'Angelo's second reign in the game was a horrible lack of communication. It made players feel that Cryptic was trying its best to kill the game by ignoring players. When Stephen "[=SalamiInferno=]" Ricossa took over the reigns, he made players a lot happier with his quick response due to a massive miscommunication mix up and an extension to the event. However, this is still a massive YMMV, as while players on the Reddit forums were more accepting of the apology and the response, those on the forums were quick to put down the new EP, stating that, instead of an extension, they should have put back everything the way it was.
** Message Board Community Manager "[=LaughingTrendy=]" has been doing this since she took over the reigns after "[=CaptainSmirk's=]" sudden firing. Trendy's actions have been firm, yet fair, getting things back on topic instead of shutting them down when they went off topic and actually approaching those at Cryptic about players' problems.
** The Phoenix Prize Pack, which allows players to be able to try to win retired items for a simple Dilithium fee has really gone over well with the player base.
20th Jan '17 9:25:49 AM Mitchz95
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** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.

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** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.
12th Jan '17 1:21:51 PM Mitchz95
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** The Romulans get hard with this too. And not just because Romulus is an asteroid field now. Many of the Romulan Colonies are trying to break away from the Empire, the Imperial Senate was killed by Nero, and speaking of, no one is willing to help the Romulans now because of Nero's actions before falling into that Black Hole. Now Sela's a puppet ruler for the Tal Shiar who are killing civilians [[spoiler: in the name of the Iconians, their dark masters]] and allied with the Elachi. And while they eventually get their act together as the Romulan Republic, that ends up being the time you learn the ''Romulan'' side of the events that led to their exile from Romulus. [[spoiler: Turns out that only a handful (and not very well liked but still influential members) were the ones who started the violence on Vulcan. Most of them just wanted to openly express emotions like Love. And even though they fired the first shots, the ''Surakians'' sure as hell gave it right back. Eventually they '''CHOSE''' to leave because they were tired of fighting their brothers and didn't want to continue living under oppression (the followers of Surak had won by this point). And in fact, the final days before the departure they had very civil and touching goodbyes from their Surakian friends and family. After they left they thought it would only be a few years before they found a new home. It turned out to be decades and along the way they learned that their BIOLOGY (especially the Pon Farr) was a major point of their problem. Their instinctual emotions had been the problem and to force mating or duel to the death was uncivilized. So they chose to genetically alter themselves to remove those issues. But by that point, they had suffered so much during the voyage that their good peaceful emotions were drowned out by the despair of their lives.]] By the time they had reached Romulus, they had gotten rid of what had been the issue on Vulcan, but ironically they were more hateful now because of the horrible suffering and vowed to never forget that. And hence the Romulan Empire was born. It would take Spock's reunification movement to reexpose their earlier more civilized elements and the destruction of their homeworld for the Romulans to (as a general whole) learn that MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch. [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds But after all they went through, the Romulans have been victims this whole time.]] This can all be read here: [[http://sto.gamepedia.com/Accolade/Lore#History_of_New_Romulus as its kinda obscure]].

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** The Romulans get hard with this too. And not just because Romulus is an asteroid field now. Many of the Romulan Colonies are trying to break away from the Empire, the Imperial Senate was killed by Nero, and speaking of, no one is willing to help the Romulans now because of Nero's actions before falling into that Black Hole. Now Sela's a puppet ruler for the Tal Shiar who are killing civilians [[spoiler: in the name of the Iconians, their dark masters]] and allied with the Elachi. And while they eventually get their act together as the Romulan Republic, that ends up being the time you learn the ''Romulan'' side of the events that led to their exile from Romulus. [[spoiler: Turns out that only a handful (and not very well liked but still influential members) were the ones who started the violence on Vulcan. Most of them just wanted to openly express emotions like Love. And even though they fired the first shots, the ''Surakians'' sure as hell gave it right back. Eventually they '''CHOSE''' to leave because they were tired of fighting their brothers and didn't want to continue living under oppression (the followers of Surak had won by this point). And in fact, the final days before the departure they had very civil and touching goodbyes from their Surakian friends and family. After they left they thought it would only be a few years before they found a new home. It turned out to be decades and along the way they learned that their BIOLOGY (especially the Pon Farr) was a major point of their problem. Their instinctual emotions had been the problem and to force mating or duel to the death was uncivilized. So they chose to genetically alter themselves to remove those issues. But by that point, they had suffered so much during the voyage that their good peaceful emotions were drowned out by the despair of their lives.]] By the time they had reached Romulus, they had gotten rid of what had been the issue on Vulcan, but ironically they were more hateful now because of the horrible suffering and vowed to never forget that. And hence the Romulan Empire was born. It would take Spock's reunification movement to reexpose their earlier more civilized elements and the destruction of their homeworld for the Romulans to (as a general whole) learn that MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch. [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds But after all they went through, the Romulans have been victims this whole time.]] This can all be read here: [[http://sto.gamepedia.com/Accolade/Lore#History_of_New_Romulus com/Accolade/Lore#Volume_4_2 here]], as its kinda obscure]].obscure.
10th Jan '17 5:24:31 PM StarSword
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* ScapegoatCreator: Al "[=CaptainGeko=]" Rivera. As Head Developer of STO, it's not uncommon for players to paint a picture of him as this horrible dev who has no idea what he's doing and is horribly biased against anything non-Federation and non-DPS. In particular, the desire to have a KDF-focused Science ship has been a big desire from KDF-based players and they are not happy that Al has either sidestepped the question or ignored it completely.

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* ScapegoatCreator: ScapegoatCreator:
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Al "[=CaptainGeko=]" Rivera. As Head Developer of STO, STO for much of the mid-2010s, it's not uncommon for players to paint a picture of him as this horrible dev who has no idea what he's doing and is horribly biased against anything non-Federation and non-DPS. In particular, the desire to have a KDF-focused Science ship has been a big desire from KDF-based players and they are not happy that Al has either sidestepped the question or ignored it completely.completely.
** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.
18th Dec '16 9:52:12 AM StFan
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** The Na'kuhl, despite being the BigBad{{s}} of the Future Proof story arc, get a lot of sympathy on the forums due to the fact that all they really want is to restore their lost homeworld.

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** The Na'kuhl, despite being the BigBad{{s}} {{Big Bad}}s of the Future Proof story arc, get a lot of sympathy on the forums due to the fact that all they really want is to restore their lost homeworld.
13th Dec '16 11:32:23 AM Mysterion
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* AssPull: "Butterfly" ignored the rules laid out in "Year of Hell" for how the temporal weapon ship works. Every change made in the episode had unforeseen but logical consequences: erasing the Rilnar destroyed the Krenim because Krenim-Rilnar interbreeding contributed an antibody to the Krenim genome, erasing a comet destroyed species by removing the amino acids it seeded on various planets, and erasing the timeship itself [[ResetButtonEnding rebooted the entire episode]]. But in "Butterfly" the unforeseen consequences are completely unconnected to the missing events: erasing Iconia prevents Hobus (because the Iconians were never alerted to the presence of life in the Milky Way), but also somehow causes Romulus to be assimilated by Borg who come out of no-damn-where, and erasing the transwarp conduit via which they came to Romulus somehow makes Hobus happen again (kicking everyone over into a CloseEnoughTimeline and back to square one).

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* AssPull: "Butterfly" ignored the rules laid out in "Year of Hell" for how the temporal weapon ship works. Every change made in the episode had unforeseen but logical consequences: erasing the Rilnar destroyed the Krenim because Krenim-Rilnar interbreeding contributed an antibody to the Krenim genome, erasing a comet destroyed species by removing the amino acids it seeded on various planets, and erasing the timeship itself [[ResetButtonEnding rebooted the entire episode]]. But in "Butterfly" the unforeseen consequences are completely unconnected to the missing events: erasing a space-rock indirectly responsible for the Yamato finding Iconia prevents Hobus (because the Iconians were never alerted to the presence of life in the Milky Way), but also somehow causes Romulus to be assimilated by Borg who come out of no-damn-where, and erasing the transwarp conduit via which they came to Romulus somehow makes Hobus happen again (kicking everyone over into a CloseEnoughTimeline and back to square one).
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