History YMMV / StarTrekOnline

7th Jan '18 5:40:45 PM StarSword
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** The ''Miranda''-class ship in all of Star Trek in general gets no love. The only reason most players would ever use it is because you HAVE to when you start the game. And now you don't: shell out a few real dollars, and spend your Lieutenant levels flying the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise NX-01]] ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'' or the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries original]] ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Constitution]]''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries -class]].

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** The ''Miranda''-class ship in all of Star Trek in general gets no love. The only reason most players would ever use it is because you HAVE to when you start the game. And now you don't: shell out a few real dollars, and spend your Lieutenant levels flying the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise NX-01]] ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'' or the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries original]] ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Constitution]]''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries -class]]. It eventually got a Tier 6 version, though.



** The Bortasqu' line got dumped in the "fail" column mostly because it's altogether too different from the rest of the KDF lineup. The Klingons tend to build smaller, faster ships that can use dual cannons well, but despite being called a "battle cruiser" like the Vor'cha and its cousins the Bort is basically a Starfleet engineering/tactical MightyGlacier with the serial numbers filed off. It can mount [=DCs=] but on launch couldn't turn well enough to use them properly[[note]]this was later mitigated by the addition of the fleet dilithium mine, which contains high-grade turn-boosting consoles[[/note]], so the majority of KDF players used to the faction's many zippier options found they often had to reskill to use it competently. It also has an outsize Inertia stat which cripples its acceleration, weaker shields than its opposite number the ''Odyssey''-class, and its cloaking device is substandard (ostensibly due to the ship's size, but this flies in the face of the ''Series/DeepSpaceNine'' characters once transferring a cloak from a bird-of-prey to a ''Negh'Var'' battlecruiser ''from a different universe'' with no loss of effectiveness). It doesn't help that, since Cryptic [[InsistentTerminology calls it a "battle cruiser" even though it's really a conventional Federation-style cruiser with a Klingon skin]], when cruiser commands debuted the Bort didn't get the "Attract Fire" command that Starfleet cruisers get (although threat generation isn't all that useful in the metagame anyway).

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** The Bortasqu' line got dumped in the "fail" column mostly because it's altogether too different from the rest of the KDF lineup. The Klingons tend to build smaller, faster ships that can use dual cannons well, but despite being called a "battle cruiser" like the Vor'cha and its cousins the Bort is basically a Starfleet engineering/tactical MightyGlacier with the serial numbers filed off. It can mount [=DCs=] but on launch couldn't turn well enough to use them properly[[note]]this was later mitigated by the addition of the fleet dilithium mine, which contains high-grade turn-boosting consoles[[/note]], so the majority of KDF players used to the faction's many zippier options found they often had to reskill to use it competently. It also has an outsize Inertia stat which cripples its acceleration, acceleration and weaker shields than its opposite number the ''Odyssey''-class, and its cloaking device is substandard (ostensibly due to the ship's size, but this flies in the face of the ''Series/DeepSpaceNine'' characters once transferring a cloak from a bird-of-prey to a ''Negh'Var'' battlecruiser ''from a different universe'' with no loss of effectiveness). It doesn't help that, since Cryptic [[InsistentTerminology calls it a "battle cruiser" even though it's really a conventional Federation-style cruiser with a Klingon skin]], when cruiser commands debuted the Bort didn't get the "Attract Fire" command that Starfleet cruisers get (although [[UselessUsefulSkill threat generation isn't all that useful in the metagame anyway).anyway]]).



** Many players have dumped the Dyson Science Destroyer ships into this category... only if you're a Federation player, though. As Klingon and Romulan players lack dedicated science ships, many have welcomed this ship. For the Federation, however, many call it inferior to the ''Vesta'' line of ships due to the fact that its gimmick concerning the extra Proton Dual Heavy Cannons forces players to adapt a weaker attack build or ignore it completely. This also hurts the Klingon and Romulan players, but it's usually ignored for the fact that, again, they don't have dedicated science ships. On the other hand, the Warp Core that completes its four-piece space set makes the space set wonderful and all four pieces are frequently tossed onto other ships. In fact the Romulan version is sometimes outright hated for being ''too'' strong, since it has all the abilities of its sisters from the other factions, plus Romulan Battle Cloak.

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** Many players have dumped the Dyson Science Destroyer ships into this category... only if you're a Federation player, though. As Klingon and Romulan players lack have a deficit in dedicated science ships, ships compared to the Federation, many have welcomed this ship. For the Federation, however, many call it inferior to the ''Vesta'' line of ships due to the fact that its gimmick concerning the extra Proton Dual Heavy Cannons forces players to adapt a weaker attack build or ignore it completely. This also hurts the Klingon and Romulan players, but it's usually ignored for the fact that, again, they don't have dedicated science ships. On the other hand, the Warp Core that completes its four-piece space set makes the space set wonderful and all four pieces are frequently tossed onto other ships. In fact the Romulan version is sometimes outright hated for being ''too'' strong, since it has all the abilities of its sisters from the other factions, plus Romulan Battle Cloak.



** Phasers. Save for the retrofit Phasers and the Andorian Phasers, many players tend to ignore Phasers altogether, preferring more powerful yet expensive antiproton weaponry. On the other hand, spec into flow capacitors to boost their subsystem-disabling effect and they can be pretty damn annoying to face. Mitigated somewhat with a season 9 item set that boosts phasers and disruptors.
** In the same vein as Phasers, there's also cannons. While cannons have a wider arc than the Dual/Dual Heavy Cannons and Dual Beam Banks and can be used by any ship, their damage potential is lower than the DBB and the arc they have make it more worthwhile to just slap on a Beam Array and broadside.

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** Phasers. Save for the retrofit Phasers and the Andorian Phasers, many players tend to ignore Phasers altogether, preferring more powerful damaging yet expensive antiproton weaponry. On the other hand, spec into flow capacitors to boost their subsystem-disabling effect and they can be pretty damn annoying to face. Mitigated somewhat with a season 9 item set that boosts phasers and disruptors.
** In the same vein as Phasers, there's also cannons. While cannons have a wider arc than the Dual/Dual Heavy Cannons and Dual Beam Banks and can be used by any ship, their damage potential is lower than the DBB and the arc they have make it more worthwhile to just slap on a Beam Array and broadside. This was partially due to a longstanding damage calculation bug with the "Beam: Fire at Will" boff power that was patched in 2017.



** The ''Scimitar''-class dreadnought warbird manages to hit ''both'' ends of the TierInducedScrappy scale. A very small percentage ([[SturgeonsLaw call it 10% for the sake of argument]]) of Scimitar jocks can make it a near-indestructible juggernaut. Thus the ship got a reputation for being absurdly overpowered, and is thus attractive to players who think that just ''owning'' the ship will make them invincible. Hence the FanNickname "Scimitard", for the people who are considered a free kill until proven OP.

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** The ''Scimitar''-class dreadnought warbird manages to hit ''both'' ends of the TierInducedScrappy scale. A very small percentage ([[SturgeonsLaw call it 10% for the sake of argument]]) of Scimitar jocks can make it a near-indestructible juggernaut. Thus Combined with the performance of [[Film/StarTrekNemesis its canon version]], the ship got a reputation for being absurdly overpowered, and is thus attractive to players who think that just ''owning'' the ship will make them invincible. Hence the FanNickname "Scimitard", for the people who are considered a free kill until proven OP.
21st Nov '17 5:58:59 PM StarSword
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** Eldex, the [[TokenHeroicOrc Token Heroic Vaadwaur]] of ''Delta Rising'', who [[EnemyMine makes common cause]] with the Alliance to [[spoiler:overthrow Gaul]]. Given the perception of the Vaads as the storyline's DesignatedVillain, there are frequent calls by forumites for the Alliance to open peace negotiations with him.
** Ship-wise, the ''Jupiter''-class dreadnought and ''Typhoon''-class battleship have gathered quite a following on the forums despite never having been made playable. While both are in the process of being removed from the game due to their low-quality models, there are frequent calls for Cryptic to revamp them and bring them back. The ''Jupiter'' was finally brought back in name as a Federation carrier, though as noted in arguments against the design on the forums, the ''Jupiter''-class carrier has only a passing resemblance to it's predecessor.

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** Eldex, the [[TokenHeroicOrc Token Heroic Vaadwaur]] of ''Delta Rising'', who [[EnemyMine makes common cause]] with the Alliance to [[spoiler:overthrow Gaul]]. Given the perception of the Vaads as the storyline's DesignatedVillain, there are frequent calls by forumites for the Alliance to open peace negotiations with him.
him. [[spoiler:Instead there's an easily missed handwave in "Dust to Dust" that Eldex turned hostile after Gaul was killed, and he never appears again.]]
** Ship-wise, the ''Jupiter''-class dreadnought and ''Typhoon''-class battleship have gathered quite a following on the forums despite never having been made playable. While both are in the process of being removed from the game due to their low-quality models, there are frequent calls for Cryptic to revamp them and bring them back. The ''Jupiter'' was finally brought back in name as a Federation carrier, though as noted in arguments against the design on the forums, the ''Jupiter''-class carrier has only a passing resemblance to it's its predecessor.
26th Jun '17 1:51:09 PM AbnormalMoose
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* AcceptablePoliticalTargets: In the mission ''Mirrors and Smoke'', some players see Pentaaro is a [[spoiler:thinly veiled parody of Donald Trump. He even utters a line one term removed from one of Trump's own MAGA variants[[note]]Make America Safe Again[[/note]] by saying he wants to ''make New Kentar safe once more''.]]

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* AcceptablePoliticalTargets: In the mission ''Mirrors and Smoke'', some players see Pentaaro is a [[spoiler:thinly veiled parody of Donald Trump. He even utters a line one term removed from one of Trump's own MAGA variants[[note]]Make America Safe Again[[/note]] by saying he wants to ''make New Kentar safe once more''.]]]] The fact that his opposite number is a calm, reasonable ''female'' politician who's just a little too shiny and good, and a "traditionalist" news broadcast (Pentaaro's faction) backed by red while the obviously more truthful news broadcasts are backed by blue, and the veil gets even more thin.
18th Jun '17 2:36:36 PM StarSword
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** The audio for ordinary antiproton beams is a high-pitched screech that can be pretty annoying.
6th May '17 5:39:36 PM AbnormalMoose
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** The Lukari captain Kuumarke is far and away the most blatant example so far. She's a brilliant scientist ahead of the best minds of the Federation, a canny and capable starship captain, a empathetic and influential diplomat, and held up as something of a moral paragon by the game text. It gets even worse in the web-published background materials where among other things it reveals that she's become the most important person on Lukari and that all Lukari politics and global decision-making now center around her preferences and whims, and that in the past the Federation gave her temporary command of the ''Defiant'' so that she could attempt diplomacy with the intractable Na'kuhl.
4th May '17 5:40:29 PM StarSword
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Iconian War. There's a general consensus, at least on the main forums, that Season 10 has been, at the very least, a lackluster season. A lot of this is due to HypeBacklash - given that the game's plot [[BigBad had ultimately revolved around the Iconians from day one]], most players expected an event that would ravage the face of the STO universe, filled with Battlefields and Red Alerts, player hubs filled with refugees, worlds destroyed, so on and so forth, with ''Franchise/MassEffect'' being the most obvious example presented as to what they wanted to happen. What was given was a season where it felt like most of the missions were nothing more than ButThouMust and IdiotPlot at its worst and no effort at a "galaxy at war" feel outside of the storyline missions. Additionally, the Summer Event went on during this season when many players felt it should have been cancelled for thematic reasons. Another problem is that many of the things that happened in the world were described via the Blog series "Tales of the War", which many players felt should have been more missions for players to get into. Also many superpowers, from the Dominion (up until the ''very'' end) to the Voth and the Undine, didn't show up.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Iconian War. There's a general consensus, at least on the main forums, that Season 10 has been, at the very least, a lackluster season. A lot of this is due to HypeBacklash - given that the game's plot [[BigBad had ultimately revolved around the Iconians from day one]], one]] and the sheer size of the fleet presented in the lead-in episode "Uneasy Allies", most players expected an event that would ravage the face of the STO universe, filled with Battlefields and Red Alerts, player hubs filled with refugees, worlds destroyed, so on and so forth, with ''Franchise/MassEffect'' being the most obvious example presented as to what they wanted to happen. What was given was a season where it felt like most of the missions were nothing more than ButThouMust and IdiotPlot at its worst and no effort was made at a "galaxy at war" feel outside of the storyline missions. Additionally, the Summer Event went on during this season when many players felt it should have been cancelled for thematic reasons. Another problem is that many of the things that happened in the world were described via the Blog series "Tales of the War", which many players felt should have been more missions for players to get into. Also many superpowers, from the Dominion (up until the ''very'' end) to the Voth and the Undine, didn't show up. All of which culminated in an ending which was at best a DeusExMachina.
4th May '17 5:38:17 PM StarSword
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Iconian War. There's a general consensus, at least on the main forums, that Season 10 has been, at the very least, a lackluster season. A lot of this is due to HypeBacklash - many players, upon hearing "Iconian ''War''", expected an event that would ravage the face of the STO universe, filled with Battlefields and Red Alerts, player hubs filled with refugees, worlds destroyed, so on and so forth, with ''Franchise/MassEffect'' being the most obvious example presented as to what they wanted to happen. What was given was a season where it felt like most of the missions were nothing more than ButThouMust and IdiotPlot at its worse, the worst being the fact that the Summer Event went on during this season when many players felt it should have been cancelled. Another problem is that many of the things that happened in the game were described via the Blog series "Tales of the War", which many players felt should have been more missions for players to get into. A third problem was that many superpowers, from the Dominion (up until the ''very'' end) to the Voth and the Undine, didn't show up, despite canonical and in-game reasons as to why they really aren't.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Iconian War. There's a general consensus, at least on the main forums, that Season 10 has been, at the very least, a lackluster season. A lot of this is due to HypeBacklash - many players, upon hearing "Iconian ''War''", given that the game's plot [[BigBad had ultimately revolved around the Iconians from day one]], most players expected an event that would ravage the face of the STO universe, filled with Battlefields and Red Alerts, player hubs filled with refugees, worlds destroyed, so on and so forth, with ''Franchise/MassEffect'' being the most obvious example presented as to what they wanted to happen. What was given was a season where it felt like most of the missions were nothing more than ButThouMust and IdiotPlot at its worse, the worst being and no effort at a "galaxy at war" feel outside of the fact that storyline missions. Additionally, the Summer Event went on during this season when many players felt it should have been cancelled. cancelled for thematic reasons. Another problem is that many of the things that happened in the game world were described via the Blog series "Tales of the War", which many players felt should have been more missions for players to get into. A third problem was that Also many superpowers, from the Dominion (up until the ''very'' end) to the Voth and the Undine, didn't show up, despite canonical and in-game reasons as to why they really aren't.up.
29th Apr '17 8:30:17 AM LordInsane
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* AcceptablePoliticalTargets: In the mission ''Mirrors and Smoke'', Pentaaro is a [[spoiler:thinly veiled parody of Donald Trump. He even utters a line one term removed from one of Trump's own MAGA variants[[note]]Make America Safe Again[[/note]] by saying he wants to ''make New Kentar safe once more''.]]

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* AcceptablePoliticalTargets: In the mission ''Mirrors and Smoke'', some players see Pentaaro is a [[spoiler:thinly veiled parody of Donald Trump. He even utters a line one term removed from one of Trump's own MAGA variants[[note]]Make America Safe Again[[/note]] by saying he wants to ''make New Kentar safe once more''.]]
25th Apr '17 1:05:37 PM sarysa
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* AcceptablePoliticalTargets: In the mission ''Mirrors and Smoke'', Pentaaro is a [[spoiler:thinly veiled parody of Donald Trump. He even utters a line one term removed from one of Trump's own MAGA variants[[note]]Make America Safe Again[[/note]] by saying he wants to ''make New Kentar safe once more''.]]
23rd Apr '17 9:42:43 AM nombretomado
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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]] Also, he's voiced by Creator/CharlieAdler, who's [[SwatKats been a badass before]].

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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]] Also, he's voiced by Creator/CharlieAdler, who's [[SwatKats [[WesternAnimation/SwatKats been a badass before]].
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