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26th Mar '17 8:51:32 AM StarSword
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** The Na'kuhl, despite being the {{Big Bad}}s of the Future Proof story arc, get a lot of sympathy on the forums due to the fact that all they really want is to restore their lost homeworld.
* DisappointingLastLevel: The Federation, KDF and Romulan Republic all have three unique storylines, though the Federation detours into a Featured Episode partway through. After the end of those stories, all three deal with the same things: they go to Nimbus III, they help the Remans and stop the Tal Shiar, they go to the Beta Quadrant and rescue Deep Space 9, deal with the Breen, the Borg and the Undine. While these missions do net you some very valuable, after playing them numerous times, they tend to get tedious, ''especially'' the Nimbus missions, which force you to travel great distances just to get to point A to point B. This is why many players tend to just spam the hell out of Borg incursions and Mirror Universe Invasion PVE missions to level up, even if the story missions allow you to level up almost instantaneously.
** Cryptic is aware of this and has started to work on it a little bit, first by adding new Featured Episodes at the end of the storylines and second, by announcing that they are revamping and retconning the old last level missions (specifically the underwhelming and annoying Borg and Undine arcs).

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** The Na'kuhl, despite being the {{Big Bad}}s of the Future Proof story arc, get a lot of sympathy on the forums due to the fact that all they really want is to restore their lost homeworld.
home planet after its destruction due to Kal Dano's inability to keep a firm hold on his WeaponOfMassDestruction. The TimePolice come off UnintentionallyUnsympathetic for denying them this.
* DisappointingLastLevel: The Federation, KDF and Romulan Republic all have three unique storylines, though the Federation detours into a Featured Episode partway through. After the end of those stories, all three deal with the same things: they go to Nimbus III, they help the Remans and stop the Tal Shiar, they go to the Beta Alpha Quadrant and rescue Deep Space 9, then deal with the Breen, the Borg and the Undine. While these missions do net you some very valuable, valuable loot, after playing them numerous times, they tend to get tedious, ''especially'' the Nimbus missions, which force you to travel great distances just to get to point A to point B. This is why many players tend to just spam the hell out of Borg incursions and Mirror Universe Invasion PVE missions to level up, even if the story missions allow you to level up almost instantaneously.
** Cryptic is aware of this and has started to work on it a little bit, first by adding new Featured Episodes at the end of the storylines and second, by announcing that they are revamping and retconning the old last level missions (specifically the underwhelming and annoying Borg Cardassian, Borg, and Undine arcs).



** By its conclusion, the Iconian War had become such a DorkAge with episodes such as "Time in a Bottle" (involving the [[ButtMonkey Ferengi]] extensively), [[IdiotPlot "House Pegh"]], and "Broken Circle" (wherein HollywoodTactics get most of the Alliance fleet killed and the [[spoiler:death of an Iconian]] is accompanied by dialogue that is less epic and more cringe-inducing) that the playerbase was desperate for ANYTHING else to play. While the Temporal Cold War is rife with plotholes, stuffed with flat villains with rote motivation, and dripping in [[LargeHam over-the-top melodrama]], it's actually been reasonably well-received by the playerbase for ''not being the Iconian War''.
* DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater: With the revelation of [[spoiler:Sela's role in the Iconian's attitude towards everyone and T'Ket's refuseal to accept peace,]] there have been some people who have felt bigger sympathy for T'Ket while a greater urge to see either Sela brought to justice or outright murder her for her actions.

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** By its conclusion, the Iconian War had become such a DorkAge with episodes such as "Time in a Bottle" (involving the [[ButtMonkey Ferengi]] extensively), [[IdiotPlot "House Pegh"]], and "Broken Circle" (wherein HollywoodTactics get most of the Alliance fleet killed and the [[spoiler:death of an Iconian]] is accompanied by dialogue that is less epic and more cringe-inducing) that the playerbase was desperate for ANYTHING else to play. While the The Temporal Cold War that followed is rife with plotholes, stuffed with flat villains with rote motivation, and dripping in [[LargeHam over-the-top melodrama]], but it's actually been reasonably well-received by the playerbase for ''not being the Iconian War''.
* DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater: With the revelation of [[spoiler:Sela's role in the Iconian's attitude towards everyone and T'Ket's refuseal refusal to accept peace,]] there have been some people who have felt bigger sympathy for T'Ket while a greater urge to see either Sela brought to justice or outright murder her for her actions.



* IdiotPlot: "House Pegh". The player is railroaded through a mission with Klingons who claim to be black-ops specialists...who then immediately beam in [[spoiler:Kahless]] and go along with his stupid plan to attack an [[AGodAmI Iconian]] in "honorable combat". You are not allowed to offer any serious protests to this, even as a Federation or Romulan player. [[spoiler:Kahless]]'s attack is exactly as unsuccessful as you'd expect, and it takes a [[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect Klingon scientist]] {{technobabble}}'ing down the Iconian's shields to allow him to harm it. Then, with the Iconian on the ground and injured, [[spoiler:Kahless]] [[WhatAnIdiot takes the moment]] [[TooDumbToLive to gloat at length about honor]]. Predictably, the Iconian kills him [[KarmicDeath while he's bragging]], leaving [[spoiler:the Sword of Kahless]] just lying there as the PC and the incompetent so-called elite hit team run away in terror from a couple of low-level Herald mooks. Backlash on the forums was ''intense'': even most of the Klingon fans hated it.

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"House Pegh". The player is railroaded through a mission with Klingons who claim to be black-ops specialists...who then immediately beam in [[spoiler:Kahless]] and go along with his stupid plan to attack an [[AGodAmI Iconian]] in "honorable combat". You are not allowed to offer any serious protests to this, even as a Federation or Romulan player. [[spoiler:Kahless]]'s attack is exactly as unsuccessful as you'd expect, and it takes a [[KlingonScientistsGetNoRespect Klingon scientist]] {{technobabble}}'ing down the Iconian's shields to allow him to harm it. Then, with the Iconian on the ground and injured, [[spoiler:Kahless]] [[WhatAnIdiot takes the moment]] [[TooDumbToLive to gloat at length about honor]]. Predictably, the Iconian kills him [[KarmicDeath while he's bragging]], leaving [[spoiler:the Sword of Kahless]] just lying there as the PC and the incompetent so-called elite hit team run away in terror from a couple of low-level Herald mooks. Backlash on the forums was ''intense'': even most of the Klingon fans hated it.



** All of the temporal missions could have been avoided if Daniels just ''went back a few more weeks in time and stopped [[spoiler:Noye]] from stealing the timeship.''

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** All of the temporal missions could have been avoided if Daniels just ''went back a few more weeks in time and stopped [[spoiler:Noye]] from stealing the timeship.''timeship''.



* MostAnnoyingSound: Q's Winter Wonderland 2013 - the Gingerbread men with their overly cutesy high-pitched voices, and the heavy-glurge random comments by [=NPC=]s in the gazebo. 2014 replaced one of the [=NPC=]s (the chef), though some players think would have taken the old guy over his replacement - Neelix.

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** "KURLAND HERE." "THIS IS KURLAND." In "Boldly They Rode", Captain Kurland constantly calls the player on the radio to tell them what they should do next, but instead of his lines being fully voice-acted, one of these two sound-bites will play instead. [[CreatorBacklash Even Kurland's voice actor, programmer James "Borticus" Randall, thought this was pretty bad.]]
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Q's Winter Wonderland 2013 - the Gingerbread men with their overly cutesy high-pitched voices, and the heavy-glurge random comments by [=NPC=]s in the gazebo. 2014 replaced one of the [=NPC=]s (the chef), though some players think would have taken the old guy over his replacement - Neelix.



* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Of a sort. A poster on the main forums (also a volunteer moderator there) [[WhatAnIdiot used his mod account to attack Cryptic]] for displaying two female Klingons in the mission "House of Pegh" who were lesbians. After the player base told the guy to sod off with his ThinkOfTheChildren mentality, some of those people did praise Cryptic for handling it tastefully, essentially putting them as major Klingon characters who were lesbians instead of lesbians who were major Klingon characters. (The comments come off as particularly tone-deaf considering that at least one of the other mods is openly gay, and married, no less.)



** If the forum is anything goes by, Tovan is basically such. You cannot dismiss him, his voice intrudes all the time, and your story is involving more finding his sister. Before the changes, you couldn't even modify his looks! Goodbye, "Shut up, Wesley." Hello, "Shut up, Tovan."
** Captain Koren has fallen here of late. At first she was far more popular than Shon as a flagship captain. But her attitude since her debut has made it clear she has only two personality settings: Rage and Homicidal Rage. Even when it's justified it didn't endear her to anyone. What really did her in, though, was when in the fourth stage of "Surface Tension" she wouldn't stop harping on how Starfleet initially only sent one ship (two if your PC is a Fed) to [[spoiler:defend Qo'noS from the Undine]]. Never mind the fact that [[spoiler:a sizable portion of the Federation's ready forces just got trashed beating the Undine away from Earth Spacedock]]...

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** If Unlike its competitor ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', STO started out with a fully customizable PlayerParty: species, class, sex, and looks of bridge officers were all completely up to the forum is anything goes by, player. With ''Legacy of Romulus'', however, Cryptic decided to introduce a party member with a character arc and personality of his own (some theorized this to be in imitation of SWTOR). Enter Romulan tac boff Tovan is basically such. You Khev, who unlike the free boffs from the Klingon and redone Federation tutorials, cannot dismiss him, his voice intrudes all the time, be dismissed, is consistently voice-acted, and your story is involving more finding his sister. Before the changes, you before a patch couldn't even modify be redesigned. And his looks! Goodbye, "Shut up, Wesley." Hello, "Shut up, Tovan."
character arc [[AbortedArc doesn't even go anywhere]]: [[spoiler:you just randomly find his sister in a Tal'Shiar base on Nimbus III without even seriously looking for her, story over]]. Result: STO's Wesley Crusher/Neelix.
** Captain Koren has fallen here of late. the IKS ''[=Bortasqu'=]'', the Klingon equivalent to the captain of the ''Enterprise''. At first she was far more popular than Shon as a flagship captain. But captain, but her attitude since her debut has made it clear she has only two personality settings: Rage and Homicidal Rage. Even when it's justified it didn't endear her to anyone. What really did her in, though, was when in the fourth stage of "Surface Tension" she wouldn't stop harping on how Starfleet initially only sent one ship (two if your PC is a Fed) to [[spoiler:defend Qo'noS from the Undine]]. Never mind the fact that [[spoiler:a sizable portion of the Federation's ready forces just got trashed beating the Undine away from Earth Spacedock]]...



** The Kobali have generated such hate for their [[HolierThanThou smug hypocrisy]], DesignatedHero status, and [[BodyHorror the way they reproduce]], that for some time [[DisproportionateRetribution ''genocide'']] was floated by some members of the forum as appropriate punishment for their crimes.

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** The Kobali have generated such hate for their [[HolierThanThou smug hypocrisy]], DesignatedHero status, and [[BodyHorror the way they reproduce]], that for some time [[DisproportionateRetribution ''genocide'']] ''[[DisproportionateRetribution genocide]]'' was floated by some members of the forum as appropriate punishment for their crimes.
13th Mar '17 5:09:07 AM Blazer
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** The T6 Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Cruisers (which includes the ''Universe''-class. Yes, that's the ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]''-J) became this - it's one of the, if not ''the'' largest ships playable, even outshining the Herald ships, turns like it has all the time in the world and just seems quite unimaginative. A lot of complaints about it is that such a butt-ugly ship shouldn't be playable at all!
16th Feb '17 4:54:05 AM themisterfree
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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]]

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** Ambassador S'taass, for several reasons - being one of the most fleshed out KDF characters, someone who doesn't like the Empire entirely and yet is their top ambassador, DeadpanSnarker, and [[{{Ambadassador}} willing to rip Jem'Hadar apart with his claws.]]]] Also, he's voiced by Creator/CharlieAdler, who's [[SwatKats been a badass before]].
11th Feb '17 8:48:42 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* HateSink: ''Delta Rising'' and Season 10, effectively Stephen D'Angelo's legacy with this game, is this to many players. Game Mechanics nonewithstanding, this period saw three threatening villain forces essentially tossed at our heroes - the Iconians, the Vaadwaur and the Undine - and effectively steamrolled even though the story tells us we're not at times, the IdiotBall mass-produced to just about everyone and established rules thrown aside for their own. It's probably not surprising when Season 11 and its connection to ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''[='=]s Temporal Cold War was introduced, the major consensus was essentially "At least it isn't the Iconian War."
** The [[KarmaHoudini Kobali]], albeit unintentionally. Large portions of the fanbase are ''still'' touchy about the subject due to the blatant {{railroading}} and questionable morality of the Kobali arc.
** [[SmugSnake Sela]] has a substantial hatedom thanks to her constant [[KarmaHoudini implausible escapes from justice]].



* LateArrivalSpoiler: Pretty much everybody knows about the Iconians' involvement in STO by now, even newcomers to the game. It doesn't help that the title screen read "Star Trek Online: The Iconian War" for a good long while.



* MissingTrailerScene: The game suffers from this occasionally, as some content seen in trailers for the various seasons is either changed or outright removed from the actual version, such as a scene from the season 6 trailer showing players in EV suits fighting Tholians onboard a damaged starship.



** The [[spoiler:Tuterians in ''Butterfly''. A peaceful race living in the fringe of the Delta Quadrant, accidentally ''erased from modern history'' because of a miscalculation during the use of the Krenim Temporal Warship. And they weren't just [[CessationOfExistence erased]], they were [[FateWorseThanDeath assimilated by the Borg]]. We never even got to meet then, save for the wife of a Krenim researcher.]]
*** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: [[spoiler:Worse, some of them survived...and became the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Sphere Builders]]]].

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** The [[spoiler:Tuterians in ''Butterfly''. A peaceful race living in the fringe of the Delta Quadrant, accidentally ''erased from modern history'' because of a miscalculation during the use of the Krenim Temporal Warship. And they weren't just [[CessationOfExistence erased]], they were [[FateWorseThanDeath assimilated by the Borg]]. We never even got to meet then, save for the wife of a Krenim researcher.]]
*** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds:
]] [[spoiler:Worse, some of them survived...and became the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Sphere Builders]]]].
11th Feb '17 8:44:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: The ''entire'' Temporal Cold War arc could've been avoided by going back just a couple of weeks and disabling or destroying [[spoiler:Noye's timeship]].
31st Jan '17 4:19:11 PM Blazer
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** The Lukari. In a reversal of the Romulan/Vulcan schism, the Lukari left their planet of Kentar because they couldn't stand the self-destructive nature and opted to follow the more peaceful path of the scholar Lukar. They found a planet to live on, only to have their sun be targeted by the Tholians in order to draw out Kal Dano as part of their revenge scheme against the Na'kuhl. Then, they find themselves dragged into the Alpha Quadrant Alliance's new quarrel against the Tzenkethi when it's revealed that they're using Protomatter to cleanse worlds. And, in searching for more Tzenkethi weapons, it's discovered that [[spoiler:the Kentari killed themselves in their self-destructive ways, their planet a polluted wasteland.]]
21st Jan '17 7:39:02 PM Worffan101
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** {{Inverted}} with Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.

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** {{Inverted}} with Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him. Possibly because the game's art has always been great and Tacofangs is well-known to be an easygoing guy. This reached memetic status when Tacofangs was declared "Forum Overlord" at one point.



** Neelix just can't get away from this to some players.

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** Neelix just can't get away from this to some players. {{Lampshaded}} at one point where the player can tell Neelix that there is no need of his diplomacy "skills" at a meeting with the [[BigBad Vaadwaur leader Gaul]].



** {{Inverted}} with the Lukari story arc; the Lukari, being friendly and idealistic explorers, have been much better received than the last new species created for STO, the Deferi. Plus, though there isn't much going on in the latest featured mission, it does contain a lot of TOS-styled environments and TOS nostalgia, which a lot of people liked.



* WinBackTheCrowd: In a sense. One of the major complaints players had since Stephen D'Angelo's second reign in the game was a horrible lack of communication. It made players feel that Cryptic was trying its best to kill the game by ignoring players. When Stephen "[=SalamiInferno=]" Ricossa took over the reigns, he made players a lot happier with his quick response due to a massive miscommunication mix up and an extension to the event. However, this is still a massive YMMV, as while players on the Reddit forums were more accepting of the apology and the response, those on the forums were quick to put down the new EP, stating that, instead of an extension, they should have put back everything the way it was.
** Message Board Community Manager "[=LaughingTrendy=]" has been doing this since she took over the reigns after "[=CaptainSmirk's=]" sudden firing. Trendy's actions have been firm, yet fair, getting things back on topic instead of shutting them down when they went off topic and actually approaching those at Cryptic about players' problems.
** The Phoenix Prize Pack, which allows players to be able to try to win retired items for a simple Dilithium fee has really gone over well with the player base.
** The Lukari arc has been welcomed simply because it doesn't involve Iconians or mind-bending time travel, and because of the TOS nostalgia and the Lukari being generally nice to be around.



* WinBackTheCrowd: In a sense. One of the major complaints players had since Stephen D'Angelo's second reign in the game was a horrible lack of communication. It made players feel that Cryptic was trying its best to kill the game by ignoring players. When Stephen "[=SalamiInferno=]" Ricossa took over the reigns, he made players a lot happier with his quick response due to a massive miscommunication mix up and an extension to the event. However, this is still a massive YMMV, as while players on the Reddit forums were more accepting of the apology and the response, those on the forums were quick to put down the new EP, stating that, instead of an extension, they should have put back everything the way it was.
** Message Board Community Manager "[=LaughingTrendy=]" has been doing this since she took over the reigns after "[=CaptainSmirk's=]" sudden firing. Trendy's actions have been firm, yet fair, getting things back on topic instead of shutting them down when they went off topic and actually approaching those at Cryptic about players' problems.
** The Phoenix Prize Pack, which allows players to be able to try to win retired items for a simple Dilithium fee has really gone over well with the player base.
20th Jan '17 9:25:49 AM Mitchz95
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** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.

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** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, Nick "Tacofangs" Duguid, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.
12th Jan '17 1:21:51 PM Mitchz95
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** The Romulans get hard with this too. And not just because Romulus is an asteroid field now. Many of the Romulan Colonies are trying to break away from the Empire, the Imperial Senate was killed by Nero, and speaking of, no one is willing to help the Romulans now because of Nero's actions before falling into that Black Hole. Now Sela's a puppet ruler for the Tal Shiar who are killing civilians [[spoiler: in the name of the Iconians, their dark masters]] and allied with the Elachi. And while they eventually get their act together as the Romulan Republic, that ends up being the time you learn the ''Romulan'' side of the events that led to their exile from Romulus. [[spoiler: Turns out that only a handful (and not very well liked but still influential members) were the ones who started the violence on Vulcan. Most of them just wanted to openly express emotions like Love. And even though they fired the first shots, the ''Surakians'' sure as hell gave it right back. Eventually they '''CHOSE''' to leave because they were tired of fighting their brothers and didn't want to continue living under oppression (the followers of Surak had won by this point). And in fact, the final days before the departure they had very civil and touching goodbyes from their Surakian friends and family. After they left they thought it would only be a few years before they found a new home. It turned out to be decades and along the way they learned that their BIOLOGY (especially the Pon Farr) was a major point of their problem. Their instinctual emotions had been the problem and to force mating or duel to the death was uncivilized. So they chose to genetically alter themselves to remove those issues. But by that point, they had suffered so much during the voyage that their good peaceful emotions were drowned out by the despair of their lives.]] By the time they had reached Romulus, they had gotten rid of what had been the issue on Vulcan, but ironically they were more hateful now because of the horrible suffering and vowed to never forget that. And hence the Romulan Empire was born. It would take Spock's reunification movement to reexpose their earlier more civilized elements and the destruction of their homeworld for the Romulans to (as a general whole) learn that MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch. [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds But after all they went through, the Romulans have been victims this whole time.]] This can all be read here: [[http://sto.gamepedia.com/Accolade/Lore#History_of_New_Romulus as its kinda obscure]].

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** The Romulans get hard with this too. And not just because Romulus is an asteroid field now. Many of the Romulan Colonies are trying to break away from the Empire, the Imperial Senate was killed by Nero, and speaking of, no one is willing to help the Romulans now because of Nero's actions before falling into that Black Hole. Now Sela's a puppet ruler for the Tal Shiar who are killing civilians [[spoiler: in the name of the Iconians, their dark masters]] and allied with the Elachi. And while they eventually get their act together as the Romulan Republic, that ends up being the time you learn the ''Romulan'' side of the events that led to their exile from Romulus. [[spoiler: Turns out that only a handful (and not very well liked but still influential members) were the ones who started the violence on Vulcan. Most of them just wanted to openly express emotions like Love. And even though they fired the first shots, the ''Surakians'' sure as hell gave it right back. Eventually they '''CHOSE''' to leave because they were tired of fighting their brothers and didn't want to continue living under oppression (the followers of Surak had won by this point). And in fact, the final days before the departure they had very civil and touching goodbyes from their Surakian friends and family. After they left they thought it would only be a few years before they found a new home. It turned out to be decades and along the way they learned that their BIOLOGY (especially the Pon Farr) was a major point of their problem. Their instinctual emotions had been the problem and to force mating or duel to the death was uncivilized. So they chose to genetically alter themselves to remove those issues. But by that point, they had suffered so much during the voyage that their good peaceful emotions were drowned out by the despair of their lives.]] By the time they had reached Romulus, they had gotten rid of what had been the issue on Vulcan, but ironically they were more hateful now because of the horrible suffering and vowed to never forget that. And hence the Romulan Empire was born. It would take Spock's reunification movement to reexpose their earlier more civilized elements and the destruction of their homeworld for the Romulans to (as a general whole) learn that MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch. [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds But after all they went through, the Romulans have been victims this whole time.]] This can all be read here: [[http://sto.gamepedia.com/Accolade/Lore#History_of_New_Romulus com/Accolade/Lore#Volume_4_2 here]], as its kinda obscure]].obscure.
10th Jan '17 5:24:31 PM StarSword
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* ScapegoatCreator: Al "[=CaptainGeko=]" Rivera. As Head Developer of STO, it's not uncommon for players to paint a picture of him as this horrible dev who has no idea what he's doing and is horribly biased against anything non-Federation and non-DPS. In particular, the desire to have a KDF-focused Science ship has been a big desire from KDF-based players and they are not happy that Al has either sidestepped the question or ignored it completely.

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Al "[=CaptainGeko=]" Rivera. As Head Developer of STO, STO for much of the mid-2010s, it's not uncommon for players to paint a picture of him as this horrible dev who has no idea what he's doing and is horribly biased against anything non-Federation and non-DPS. In particular, the desire to have a KDF-focused Science ship has been a big desire from KDF-based players and they are not happy that Al has either sidestepped the question or ignored it completely.completely.
** {{Inverted}} with Tacofangs, one of the art guys and the only dev to interact with the forum membership on a regular basis. Everybody seems to love him.
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