History YMMV / StarTrekNemesis

7th Mar '17 5:06:33 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Yes, the movie is mediocre at best, but the scene where [[spoiler:Picard rams the ''Enterprise'' headfirst into Shinzon's ship]] is still unquestionably awesome.
** Say what you will about the rest of the movie -- and you can say a lot -- but the starship combat in general was the most interesting, most involved, and most sensible in terms of execution since ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. The transition to full-digital 3D allowed them to do a ''lot''.
** As well as escaping the ''Scimitar'' by flying a fighter through it. Actually, this movie could have been pretty good if it had had a bit more meat on its bones.
** Also [[spoiler:when Picard impales Shinzon on a pipe, Shinzon ''pulls himself down the length of it get close enough to Picard to wrap his hands around his neck''.]] This is actually based on a classic painting.
*** Sadly the same move (classical allusions and all) was used in the final fight scene of ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' just a year earlier, making ''Nemesis'' look like a rip-off.
** Troi gets a nice little moment turning the psychic link the Viceroy [[MindRape forced on her]] back against him.
7th Mar '17 4:58:45 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* AwesomeMusic: Music/JerryGoldsmith is right in form in his final Star Trek film score, even if no one else is.

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* AwesomeMusic: Music/JerryGoldsmith is right in form in his final Star Trek ''Star Trek'' film score, even if no one else is.



*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanne's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.

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*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanne's Deanna's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.



** Picard ramming the ''Scimitar'' makes Ben asking Lavelle in the episode ''Lower Decks'' if Riker was upset at Lavelle because he crashed the ship into something 1,000 times funnier - especially considering it was Picard and Troi who crashed the ship.

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** Picard ramming the ''Scimitar'' makes Ben asking Lavelle in the episode ''Lower Decks'' "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E14LowerDecks}} Lower Decks]]" if Riker was upset at Lavelle because he crashed the ship into something 1,000 times funnier - especially considering it was Picard and Troi who crashed the ship.



* {{Narm}}: The pathetic attempt to convince us Shinzon is Picard's clone with a picture of Tom Hardy as a young Picard. Especially since the series had established several times that Picard had hair back then.
* NeverLiveItDown: Will forever be known as the Star Trek film outperformed in its opening week by mediocre [[Music/JenniferLopez J-Lo]] comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' (and then utterly annihilated by ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' a few days after that). Averted in one sense however, as people largely forget that its second week box office drop-off was the biggest ''ever'' for a major release percentage-wise... mostly because ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' and then ''Film/{{Gigli}}'' took over that title the following summer.
* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.
** Picard beaming over alone to the enemy ship to confront the cheesy villain and blow up the AppliedPhlebotinum of Doom [[Film/StarTrekInsurrection sure sounds familiar...]]
** In all of the ''TNG'' movies, it's often Picard who goes alone to confront the villain (aside from ''Generations'', where he gets royally schooled before recruiting Kirk to help him).

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* {{Narm}}: The pathetic attempt to convince us Shinzon is Picard's clone with a picture of Tom Hardy Creator/TomHardy as a young Picard. Especially since the series had established several times that Picard had hair back then.
* NeverLiveItDown: Will forever be known as the Star Trek ''Star Trek'' film outperformed in its opening week by mediocre [[Music/JenniferLopez J-Lo]] comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' (and then utterly annihilated by ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' a few days after that). Averted in one sense however, as people largely forget that its second week box office drop-off was the biggest ''ever'' for a major release percentage-wise... mostly because ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' and then ''Film/{{Gigli}}'' took over that title the following summer.
* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.
** Picard beaming over alone to the enemy ship to confront the cheesy villain and blow up the AppliedPhlebotinum of Doom [[Film/StarTrekInsurrection sure sounds familiar...]]
** In all of the ''TNG'' movies, it's often Picard who goes alone to confront the villain (aside from ''Generations'', where he gets royally schooled before recruiting Kirk to help him).
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* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.

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* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart Creator/PatrickStewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.
20th Feb '17 11:59:58 PM TroperBeDoper
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* {{Fanon}}: Many fans (And detractors of [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]) subscribe to the theory that Janeway was ''forced'' to become an admiral, after her last command got her ship stranded in strange and hostile space for years.
2nd Dec '16 3:24:41 PM MagBas
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* MoralEventHorizon: Shinzon went from "Attempt to make a ''TNG'' version of [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Khan]]" to "complete and utter [[JerkAss dickwad]]" when he mind raped Troi as she was having sex with Riker. He does this just to get rid of his sexual frustration and to scare Troi, and the writers use this to try and prove that he still is capable of evil. [[JumpingTheShark This just went too freaking far.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: Shinzon went from "Attempt to make a ''TNG'' version of [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Khan]]" to "complete and utter [[JerkAss dickwad]]" when he mind raped Troi as she was having sex with Riker. He does this just to get rid of his sexual frustration and to scare Troi, and the writers use this to try and prove that he still is capable of evil. [[JumpingTheShark This just went too freaking far.]]
29th Sep '16 10:41:00 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CastShowoff: The Argo chase scene was put in because of Patrick Stewart's love of dune buggy racing. He did all the driving except the exit and first sharp turn.
29th Sep '16 10:37:14 AM lorgskyegon
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* CastShowoff: The Argo chase scene was put in because of Patrick Stewart's love of dune buggy racing. He did all the driving except the exit and first sharp turn.
10th Sep '16 12:17:53 AM blackemperorexe
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** Slightly handwaved in the dinner scene and the novelization, where Shinzon explains that his face is different from Picard's due to being beaten in the dilythium mines many, many times. Essentially, he experienced a childhood of abuse, where Picard didn't. (Doesn't account for the thick, voluptuous lips of Hardy, however.)

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** Slightly handwaved in the dinner scene and the novelization, where Shinzon explains that his face is different from Picard's due to being beaten in the dilythium mines many, many times. Essentially, he experienced a childhood of abuse, where Picard didn't. (Doesn't account for the thick, voluptuous lips of Hardy, however.)
Or the ''photo of Hardy as young Picard.'')
1st Sep '16 5:45:44 AM OlfinBedwere
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* FightSceneFailure: Fans found the starship fight listed above to be boring and without tension. Four ships looping through empty space throwing little droplets of light at each other, taking forever to break through the DeflectorShields and start setting off the ExplosiveInstrumentation. That's very realistic... But it's also kind of boring. TropesAreNotBad!

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* FightSceneFailure: FightSceneFailure:
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Fans found the starship fight listed above to be boring and without tension. Four ships looping through empty space throwing little droplets of light at each other, taking forever to break through the DeflectorShields and start setting off the ExplosiveInstrumentation. That's very realistic... But it's also kind of boring. TropesAreNotBad!



** The climactic fight between Picard and Shinzon ends with the latter getting impaled on a metal pole that Picard tears off the wall. While the intention was presumably that Shinzon didn't have time to dodge the pole, the way it's filmed and edited makes it look like he's just too dumb to figure out that running into sharp bits of metal is a bad idea.



* {{Misblamed}}: To an extent. The film is generally considered to be a (temporary) FranchiseKiller for ''Franchise/StarTrek'', but the truth is that the franchise had been in decline for several years before hand; though not nearly as bad, ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' was also poorly received (for that matter, on the TV side, both ''Voyager'' and ''Enterprise'' were equally polarizing; even the franchise's biggest supporters were starting to feel like it needed a rest.) Of course, this movie's unpopularity certainly didn't help things. Plus it's widely thought that it would have at least earned back its budget like ''Insurrection'' had, if not for the fact that [[DuelingMovies it was released in the same week as]] ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''.
** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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* {{Misblamed}}: {{Misblamed}}:
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To an extent. The film is generally considered to be a (temporary) FranchiseKiller for ''Franchise/StarTrek'', but the truth is that the franchise had been in decline for several years before hand; though not nearly as bad, ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' was also poorly received (for that matter, on the TV side, both ''Voyager'' and ''Enterprise'' were equally polarizing; even the franchise's biggest supporters were starting to feel like it needed a rest.) Of course, this movie's unpopularity certainly didn't help things. Plus it's widely thought that it would have at least earned back its budget like ''Insurrection'' had, if not for the fact that [[DuelingMovies it was released in the same week as]] ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''.
** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release).release, and at the time ''the'' largest for a film to have opened on over 2,000 screens). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
28th Jul '16 11:04:15 AM Premonition45
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** This won't be the last time [[Film/StarTrekBeyond the Enterprise crew fights against a group of aliens who]] [[LooksLikeOrlok look like Orlok]] [[Film/StarTrekBeyond and want to use a mutagenic weapon against the Federation]].
14th Jun '16 7:12:18 AM OlfinBedwere
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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]).yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
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