History YMMV / StarTrekNemesis

28th Jul '16 11:04:15 AM Premonition45
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** This won't be the last time [[Film/StarTrekBeyond the Enterprise crew fights against a group of aliens who]] [[LooksLikeOrlok look like Orlok]] [[Film/StarTrekBeyond and want to use a mutagenic weapon against the Federation]].
14th Jun '16 7:12:18 AM OlfinBedwere
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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]).yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
9th Jun '16 11:17:17 AM erforce
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*** The car chase was derided for being out of place in a Star Trek film. Fourteen years later, and the trailer for StarTrekBeyond is pounded for - among other things - having Captain Kirk ride a 20th century dirt bike around on an alien planet.

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*** The car chase was derided for being out of place in a Star Trek film. Fourteen years later, and the trailer for StarTrekBeyond ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'' is pounded for - among other things - having Captain Kirk ride a 20th century dirt bike around on an alien planet.



** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', ''Film/IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.



* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.

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* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.



* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Tom Hardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.

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* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Tom Hardy Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.
17th May '16 2:24:55 PM Conhale
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** Possibly overlapping with WTHCastingAgency, but many believe Cmdr Sela from TNG would have been a better character choice than Cmdr Donatra, providing closure to another recurring character.
25th Apr '16 6:27:59 PM Toadofsteel
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ironically, one of the least-watched ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films of all time is also the movie that introduced most of the United States to Creator/TomHardy, who would ultimately become one of the most recognizable actors of TheNewTens.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ironically, one of the least-watched ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films of all time is also the movie that introduced most of the United States to Creator/TomHardy, who would ultimately become one of the most recognizable actors of TheNewTens. (Not that this film helped any, if anything Hardy would have been a household name much earlier than 2010 had this film not flopped the way it did.)
25th Apr '16 6:25:47 PM Toadofsteel
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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one.one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
4th Mar '16 1:25:07 PM OlfinBedwere
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* TaintedByThePreview: The screenplay was mercilessly mocked on the Internet when it was leaked before the film's release.

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* TaintedByThePreview: The screenplay was mercilessly mocked on the Internet when it was leaked before the film's release. The film's trailers, while not terrible by themselves, just helped make things worse, as they confirmed that the script had survived mostly unaltered to the final product.
28th Feb '16 5:57:24 PM jameygamer
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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' for that dishonor.

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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' for that dishonor.dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.
15th Feb '16 11:12:40 PM Troper251
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*** The car chase was derided for being out of place in a Star Trek film. Fourteen years later, and the trailer for StarTrekBeyond is pounded for - among other things - having Captain Kirk ride a 20th century dirt bike around on an alien planet.
24th Jan '16 4:07:17 PM jameygamer
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* MoralEventHorizon: Shinzon went from "Attempt to make a ''TNG'' version of [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Khan]]" to "complete and utter [[JerkAss dickwad]] when he mind raped Troi as she was having sex with Riker. He does this just to get rid of his sexual frustration and to scare Troi, and the writers use this to try and prove that he still is capable of evil. This just went too freaking far.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Shinzon went from "Attempt to make a ''TNG'' version of [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Khan]]" to "complete and utter [[JerkAss dickwad]] dickwad]]" when he mind raped Troi as she was having sex with Riker. He does this just to get rid of his sexual frustration and to scare Troi, and the writers use this to try and prove that he still is capable of evil. [[JumpingTheShark This just went too freaking far.]]
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