History YMMV / StarTrekNemesis

10th Sep '16 12:17:53 AM blackemperorexe
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** Slightly handwaved in the dinner scene and the novelization, where Shinzon explains that his face is different from Picard's due to being beaten in the dilythium mines many, many times. Essentially, he experienced a childhood of abuse, where Picard didn't. (Doesn't account for the thick, voluptuous lips of Hardy, however.)

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** Slightly handwaved in the dinner scene and the novelization, where Shinzon explains that his face is different from Picard's due to being beaten in the dilythium mines many, many times. Essentially, he experienced a childhood of abuse, where Picard didn't. (Doesn't account for the thick, voluptuous lips of Hardy, however.)
Or the ''photo of Hardy as young Picard.'')
1st Sep '16 5:45:44 AM OlfinBedwere
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* FightSceneFailure: Fans found the starship fight listed above to be boring and without tension. Four ships looping through empty space throwing little droplets of light at each other, taking forever to break through the DeflectorShields and start setting off the ExplosiveInstrumentation. That's very realistic... But it's also kind of boring. TropesAreNotBad!

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Fans found the starship fight listed above to be boring and without tension. Four ships looping through empty space throwing little droplets of light at each other, taking forever to break through the DeflectorShields and start setting off the ExplosiveInstrumentation. That's very realistic... But it's also kind of boring. TropesAreNotBad!



** The climactic fight between Picard and Shinzon ends with the latter getting impaled on a metal pole that Picard tears off the wall. While the intention was presumably that Shinzon didn't have time to dodge the pole, the way it's filmed and edited makes it look like he's just too dumb to figure out that running into sharp bits of metal is a bad idea.



* {{Misblamed}}: To an extent. The film is generally considered to be a (temporary) FranchiseKiller for ''Franchise/StarTrek'', but the truth is that the franchise had been in decline for several years before hand; though not nearly as bad, ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' was also poorly received (for that matter, on the TV side, both ''Voyager'' and ''Enterprise'' were equally polarizing; even the franchise's biggest supporters were starting to feel like it needed a rest.) Of course, this movie's unpopularity certainly didn't help things. Plus it's widely thought that it would have at least earned back its budget like ''Insurrection'' had, if not for the fact that [[DuelingMovies it was released in the same week as]] ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''.
** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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To an extent. The film is generally considered to be a (temporary) FranchiseKiller for ''Franchise/StarTrek'', but the truth is that the franchise had been in decline for several years before hand; though not nearly as bad, ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' was also poorly received (for that matter, on the TV side, both ''Voyager'' and ''Enterprise'' were equally polarizing; even the franchise's biggest supporters were starting to feel like it needed a rest.) Of course, this movie's unpopularity certainly didn't help things. Plus it's widely thought that it would have at least earned back its budget like ''Insurrection'' had, if not for the fact that [[DuelingMovies it was released in the same week as]] ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''.
** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release).release, and at the time ''the'' largest for a film to have opened on over 2,000 screens). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
28th Jul '16 11:04:15 AM Premonition45
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** This won't be the last time [[Film/StarTrekBeyond the Enterprise crew fights against a group of aliens who]] [[LooksLikeOrlok look like Orlok]] [[Film/StarTrekBeyond and want to use a mutagenic weapon against the Federation]].
14th Jun '16 7:12:18 AM OlfinBedwere
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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' one; ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]'' for instance was released the same year as ''Film/IndependenceDay'', week before the mega-hit ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]).yet still was a box-office success. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth ''ninth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
9th Jun '16 11:17:17 AM erforce
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*** The car chase was derided for being out of place in a Star Trek film. Fourteen years later, and the trailer for StarTrekBeyond is pounded for - among other things - having Captain Kirk ride a 20th century dirt bike around on an alien planet.

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*** The car chase was derided for being out of place in a Star Trek film. Fourteen years later, and the trailer for StarTrekBeyond ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'' is pounded for - among other things - having Captain Kirk ride a 20th century dirt bike around on an alien planet.



** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings on ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', ''Film/IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.



* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.

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* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.



* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Tom Hardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.

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* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Tom Hardy Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.
17th May '16 2:24:55 PM Conhale
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** Possibly overlapping with WTHCastingAgency, but many believe Cmdr Sela from TNG would have been a better character choice than Cmdr Donatra, providing closure to another recurring character.
25th Apr '16 6:27:59 PM Toadofsteel
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ironically, one of the least-watched ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films of all time is also the movie that introduced most of the United States to Creator/TomHardy, who would ultimately become one of the most recognizable actors of TheNewTens.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ironically, one of the least-watched ''Franchise/StarTrek'' films of all time is also the movie that introduced most of the United States to Creator/TomHardy, who would ultimately become one of the most recognizable actors of TheNewTens. (Not that this film helped any, if anything Hardy would have been a household name much earlier than 2010 had this film not flopped the way it did.)
25th Apr '16 6:25:47 PM Toadofsteel
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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one. What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.

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** This takes us to another case of this trope. Many, including Berman himself, have tended to blame this film's massive financial failure on''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]''. While this did not help, and it's true that the two films share some overlap in demographics the fact remains that a strong movie will be able to withstand another big release the following week. Other Star Trek movies have had to face some extremely stiff competition but all did much better than this one.one (For example, ''StarTrekFirstContact'' released the same year as ''IndependenceDay'', and fared extremely well despite featuring one of the same [[BrentSpiner starring actors]]). What Berman and co. tend to gloss over is that this movie also lost to the Jennifer Lopez comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' and then dropped 76.2% on its second week to ''eighth place'' (one of the largest drops ever for a major release). Stiff competition, as well as bad word of mouth and lack of interest is what ultimately sealed this movie's fate.
4th Mar '16 1:25:07 PM OlfinBedwere
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* TaintedByThePreview: The screenplay was mercilessly mocked on the Internet when it was leaked before the film's release.

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* TaintedByThePreview: The screenplay was mercilessly mocked on the Internet when it was leaked before the film's release. The film's trailers, while not terrible by themselves, just helped make things worse, as they confirmed that the script had survived mostly unaltered to the final product.
28th Feb '16 5:57:24 PM jameygamer
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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' for that dishonor.

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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' for that dishonor.dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.
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