History YMMV / StarTrekNemesis

25th Jun '17 11:51:18 AM Scifimaster92
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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a four-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'', ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'', and ''[[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture The Motion Picture]]'' for that dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.
12th Jun '17 1:04:39 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Shinzon {{Mind Rap|e}}ing Troi. An utterly tasteless moment that serves absolutely no purpose except Shinzon [[ForTheEvulz doing something villainous]], like we couldn't tell he was the bad guy already. Add to it that the timing is particularly bizarre given that he only has literally hours left to live and is apparently taking a break from curing himself in favor of being eeeeevil.

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** Shinzon {{Mind Rap|e}}ing Troi. An utterly tasteless moment that serves absolutely no purpose except Shinzon [[ForTheEvulz doing something villainous]], like we couldn't tell he was the bad guy already. Add to it that the timing is particularly bizarre given that he Shinzon only has literally hours left to live and is apparently only taking a this break from curing himself in favor of being eeeeevil.
12th Jun '17 1:03:58 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Shinzon taking over Riker's body to rape Troi. An utterly tasteless moment that serves absolutely no purpose except Shinzon [[ForTheEvulz doing something villainous]], like we couldn't tell he was the bad guy already.
*** But it ''does'' serve a purpose: it sets up a ChekhovsGun for the scene later where she uses her telepathy to turn it back on him.
*** Shinzon isn't taking over Riker's body, he's just [[MindRape mind-raping]] Troi. As far as purpose, Shinzon turns into a bit of a creeper when he meets Troi earlier in the film because as he says, he's never met a human woman. He's pretty obviously interested in her and it's not like he has any problem doing bad things.
*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanna's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.
*** The timing is particularly bizarre given that he only has literally hours left to live and is apparently taking a break from curing himself in favor of being eeeeevil.

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** Shinzon taking over Riker's body to rape {{Mind Rap|e}}ing Troi. An utterly tasteless moment that serves absolutely no purpose except Shinzon [[ForTheEvulz doing something villainous]], like we couldn't tell he was the bad guy already.
*** But
already. Add to it ''does'' serve a purpose: it sets up a ChekhovsGun for that the scene later where she uses her telepathy to turn it back on him.
*** Shinzon isn't taking over Riker's body, he's just [[MindRape mind-raping]] Troi. As far as purpose, Shinzon turns into a bit of a creeper when he meets Troi earlier in the film because as he says, he's never met a human woman. He's pretty obviously interested in her and it's not like he has any problem doing bad things.
*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanna's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.
*** The
timing is particularly bizarre given that he only has literally hours left to live and is apparently taking a break from curing himself in favor of being eeeeevil.
20th May '17 12:34:40 PM Premonition45
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* {{Sequelitis}}: The failure of ''Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' previously threatened to put an end to the Trek films, but ''Nemesis'' made good upon that threat (at least for the ''TNG'' cast).

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* {{Sequelitis}}: The financial failure of ''Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'' previously threatened to put an end to the Trek films, but ''Nemesis'' made good upon that threat (at least for the ''TNG'' cast).
19th May '17 3:28:56 PM thatsnumberwang
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** Not more really needs to be said about the Scorpion attack fighters other than ''why even introduce them if you have no plans to actually use them?'' And what makes this worse is that they had two perfect opportunities for a dog fight what with the Romulans coming to their aid and the Federation fleet being just outside of the nebula.
29th Apr '17 9:32:18 PM DaFlabbagasta
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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a four-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'', ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'', and ''[[Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness Into Darkness]]'' for that dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.

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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a four-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'', ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'', and ''[[Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness Into Darkness]]'' ''[[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture The Motion Picture]]'' for that dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.
5th Apr '17 10:10:57 PM Premonition45
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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' for that dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.

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* DeaderThanDisco: At the time it was released, many regarded this as an okayish film that had the bad luck to be released in perhaps the busiest holiday season of the modern era. Nowadays it tends to be considered the worst ''Star Trek'' film, or at least in a three-way four-way tie with ''[[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier The Final Frontier]]'' and Frontier]]'', ''[[Film/StarTrekInsurrection Insurrection]]'' Insurrection]]'', and ''[[Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness Into Darkness]]'' for that dishonor; it's also the most damaging of the ''Star Trek'' failures and has earned [[CreatorBacklash unbridled hatred]] from [[FourIsDeath four]] of its cast members.
7th Mar '17 5:06:33 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Yes, the movie is mediocre at best, but the scene where [[spoiler:Picard rams the ''Enterprise'' headfirst into Shinzon's ship]] is still unquestionably awesome.
** Say what you will about the rest of the movie -- and you can say a lot -- but the starship combat in general was the most interesting, most involved, and most sensible in terms of execution since ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. The transition to full-digital 3D allowed them to do a ''lot''.
** As well as escaping the ''Scimitar'' by flying a fighter through it. Actually, this movie could have been pretty good if it had had a bit more meat on its bones.
** Also [[spoiler:when Picard impales Shinzon on a pipe, Shinzon ''pulls himself down the length of it get close enough to Picard to wrap his hands around his neck''.]] This is actually based on a classic painting.
*** Sadly the same move (classical allusions and all) was used in the final fight scene of ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' just a year earlier, making ''Nemesis'' look like a rip-off.
** Troi gets a nice little moment turning the psychic link the Viceroy [[MindRape forced on her]] back against him.
7th Mar '17 4:58:45 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* AwesomeMusic: Music/JerryGoldsmith is right in form in his final Star Trek film score, even if no one else is.

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* AwesomeMusic: Music/JerryGoldsmith is right in form in his final Star Trek ''Star Trek'' film score, even if no one else is.



*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanne's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.

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*** Unfortunately, a DeletedScene had Shinzon... invading Deanne's Deanna's personal space in the turbo-lift. One scene of Shinzon's attempted rape of Deanna made it too much of an obvious Chekhov's gun. More scenes of his harassing her would have made the final turnaround stronger.



** Picard ramming the ''Scimitar'' makes Ben asking Lavelle in the episode ''Lower Decks'' if Riker was upset at Lavelle because he crashed the ship into something 1,000 times funnier - especially considering it was Picard and Troi who crashed the ship.

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** Picard ramming the ''Scimitar'' makes Ben asking Lavelle in the episode ''Lower Decks'' "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E14LowerDecks}} Lower Decks]]" if Riker was upset at Lavelle because he crashed the ship into something 1,000 times funnier - especially considering it was Picard and Troi who crashed the ship.



* {{Narm}}: The pathetic attempt to convince us Shinzon is Picard's clone with a picture of Tom Hardy as a young Picard. Especially since the series had established several times that Picard had hair back then.
* NeverLiveItDown: Will forever be known as the Star Trek film outperformed in its opening week by mediocre [[Music/JenniferLopez J-Lo]] comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' (and then utterly annihilated by ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' a few days after that). Averted in one sense however, as people largely forget that its second week box office drop-off was the biggest ''ever'' for a major release percentage-wise... mostly because ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' and then ''Film/{{Gigli}}'' took over that title the following summer.
* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.
** Picard beaming over alone to the enemy ship to confront the cheesy villain and blow up the AppliedPhlebotinum of Doom [[Film/StarTrekInsurrection sure sounds familiar...]]
** In all of the ''TNG'' movies, it's often Picard who goes alone to confront the villain (aside from ''Generations'', where he gets royally schooled before recruiting Kirk to help him).

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* {{Narm}}: The pathetic attempt to convince us Shinzon is Picard's clone with a picture of Tom Hardy Creator/TomHardy as a young Picard. Especially since the series had established several times that Picard had hair back then.
* NeverLiveItDown: Will forever be known as the Star Trek ''Star Trek'' film outperformed in its opening week by mediocre [[Music/JenniferLopez J-Lo]] comedy ''Film/MaidInManhattan'' (and then utterly annihilated by ''[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'' a few days after that). Averted in one sense however, as people largely forget that its second week box office drop-off was the biggest ''ever'' for a major release percentage-wise... mostly because ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' and then ''Film/{{Gigli}}'' took over that title the following summer.
* RecycledScript: [[spoiler:The death of Data]] tries and fails to mirror a similar moment in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan The Wrath of Khan]]''. Hell, even the main villain feels like a poor man's Khan.
** Picard beaming over alone to the enemy ship to confront the cheesy villain and blow up the AppliedPhlebotinum of Doom [[Film/StarTrekInsurrection sure sounds familiar...]]
** In all of the ''TNG'' movies, it's often Picard who goes alone to confront the villain (aside from ''Generations'', where he gets royally schooled before recruiting Kirk to help him).
summer.



* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.

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* WTHCastingAgency: No mean to rank on Creator/TomHardy who gave an okay performance, but for someone who's supposed to be a clone of Picard, he and Patrick Stewart Creator/PatrickStewart look nothing alike! In fact, more than one critic joked that if anything, Shinzon looked and even acted more like [[Film/AustinPowers Dr. Evil]] than Picard.
20th Feb '17 11:59:58 PM TroperBeDoper
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* {{Fanon}}: Many fans (And detractors of [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Voyager]]) subscribe to the theory that Janeway was ''forced'' to become an admiral, after her last command got her ship stranded in strange and hostile space for years.
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