History YMMV / StarTrekIntoDarkness

27th Apr '17 5:25:02 PM Tork
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** The underwear scene was prominent in the trailer, hence the notice.


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* HarsherInHindsight: The "go put on a red shirt" moment doesn't have the same humorous tone after Anton Yelchin's untimely death.
20th Apr '17 9:45:55 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: In contrast to the smooth tones of a typical Federation vessel's warp drive, the ''Vengeance'' has a harsh buzzing noise. Strangely enough, [[NightmareFetishist some audiences]] also found the noise to qualify as SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound.
2nd Feb '17 6:21:52 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There were some fans who thought that John Harrison [[spoiler:turning out to be Khan]] was ''way'' [[EntertaininglyWrong too obvious]], and theorised that he was in fact the Klingon captain, Koloth a human-looking Klingon from the original series that was meant to be Kirk's EvilCounterpart[=/=]WorthyOpponent. One can even take this a step further and watch the film with that in mind, and the story is essentially the same and it actually works in its favor.
** Even if you go into it knowing Harrison is Khan, he doesn't have the back history with Kirk that their prime counterparts had. Kirk was willing to work with Khan in this universe, and they both obviously had a beef with Admiral Marcus. Preserving this EnemyMine through the whole plot and making Marcus the primary villain would have made an interesting twist on a classic Trek plot moving forward.

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There were some fans who thought that John Harrison [[spoiler:turning out to be Khan]] was ''way'' [[EntertaininglyWrong too obvious]], and theorised that he was in fact the Klingon captain, Koloth a human-looking Klingon from the original series that was meant to be Kirk's EvilCounterpart[=/=]WorthyOpponent. One can even take this a step further and watch the film with that in mind, and the story is essentially the same and it actually works in its favor.
** Even if you go into it knowing Harrison is Khan, he doesn't have the back history with Kirk that their prime counterparts had. Kirk was willing to work with Khan in this universe, and they both obviously had a beef with Admiral Marcus. Preserving this EnemyMine through the whole plot and making Marcus the primary villain would have made an interesting twist on a classic Trek plot moving forward. forward.
** While the revelation about Harrison being Khan was a clever twist, this version of the character loses much of what made him so fascinating in the original timeline, for two main reasons:
*** In his introduction, Khan's entire premise was that he was an infamous tyrant and mass murderer from the 21st century whose reign of terror had made him one of history's most famous monsters--on par with Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler. By confronting him, the ''Enterprise'' crew was also confronting the enduring specter of the brutal 21st century, and the reminder that [[BadFuture human history had to take some really, really dark turns]] before humanity earned its place in the stars. But in this version, so much effort is put into ensuring that the characters ''don't'' recognize Khan that he loses that element entirely; he gets all of his {{Establishing Character Moment}}s as the rogue Starfleet officer "John Harrison", with almost no time left to flesh him out as the fascistic cult leader Khan.
*** In ''The Wrath of Khan'', a key element in Khan's story was that he [[FatalFlaw met his downfall]] thanks to his {{pride}}: he assumed that his genetically augmented strength and intelligence meant that he could never be beaten in battle, so he was cocky enough to challenge Kirk to a one-on-one starship battle--even though he came from a time before starship combat, and had never been trained in space tactics. He forgot that his enhanced genes only amounted to ''potential'', and couldn't compensate for his lack of experience, which the seasoned veteran Kirk had in spades. But in this version, Khan actually gets trained in starship combat by Admiral Marcus, he beats Kirk in a space battle because he has a better ship, and he's defeated with GoodOldFisticuffs; his ultimate downfall has none of the thematic resonance that it originally had, and overall isn't nearly as interesting.
6th Jan '17 4:23:56 AM SorPepita
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There were some fans who thought that John Harrison [[spoiler:turning out to be Khan]] was ''way'' [[EntertaininglyWrong too obvious]], and theorised that he was in fact the Klingon captain, Koloth a human-looking Klingon from the original series that was meant to be Kirk's EvilCounterpart[=/=]WorthyOpponent. One can even take this a step further and watch the film with that in mind, and the story is essentially the same and it actually works in it's favor.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There were some fans who thought that John Harrison [[spoiler:turning out to be Khan]] was ''way'' [[EntertaininglyWrong too obvious]], and theorised that he was in fact the Klingon captain, Koloth a human-looking Klingon from the original series that was meant to be Kirk's EvilCounterpart[=/=]WorthyOpponent. One can even take this a step further and watch the film with that in mind, and the story is essentially the same and it actually works in it's its favor.
11th Dec '16 3:04:17 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* MemeticMutation: Comparing [[spoiler:Khan crushing Marcus' skull]] with the scene in ''Series/GameOfThrones'' where [[spoiler:the Mountain crushes Oberyn's skull]].

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Comparing [[spoiler:Khan crushing Marcus' skull]] with the scene in ''Series/GameOfThrones'' where [[spoiler:the Mountain crushes Oberyn's skull]].skull]].
** Pronouncing the title as written (no pause between "Star Trek" and "Into Darkness") shows up as a gag in nearly every online video about the movie.
16th Oct '16 8:01:09 PM jogirard
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: When Kirk promotes Chekov to Chief Engineer, he tells him to "Go put on a red shirt," referencing one of the [[RedShirt most famous tropes of all time]]. [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall Chekov's face is priceless]], and the scene was [[PlayedforLaughs played for laughs]] in the theater, but it definitely takes on a much darker tone after Anton Yelchin's untimely death in June 2016.
3rd Oct '16 6:39:35 AM Ael42
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** Kirk's [[spoiler:death scene]] was cringeworthy for some, due to its [[spoiler:blatantly plagiarized dialogue]].
11th Sep '16 2:14:13 PM Premonition45
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* HarsherInHindsight: Kirk telling Chekov to put on a RedShirt becomes much darker in light of Creator/AntonYelchin's death in 2016.

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* HarsherInHindsight: FunnyAneurysmMoment: When Kirk telling promotes Chekov to Chief Engineer, he tells him to "Go put on a RedShirt becomes red shirt," referencing one of the [[RedShirt most famous tropes of all time]]. [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall Chekov's face is priceless]], and the scene was [[PlayedforLaughs played for laughs]] in the theater, but it definitely takes on a much darker in light of Creator/AntonYelchin's tone after Anton Yelchin's untimely death in June 2016.
22nd Aug '16 3:23:59 PM Premonition45
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* CriticalDissonance: ''Into Darkness'' is currently sitting at an 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, with the consensus from the critics being that it is a very good, but not ''as good'' followup to the first film. Fan reactions have been mixed: some agreed; some thought it was an EvenBetterSequel; and one [[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst Star Trek convention]] voted it the worst Trek film of all time. ''Yes, even more than Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier.''

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* CriticalDissonance: ''Into Darkness'' is currently sitting at an 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, Tomatoes[[note]]In 4th place behind ''Film/StarTrek'' (95%), ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'' (92%), and ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (90%)[[/note]], with the consensus from the critics being that it is a very good, but not ''as good'' followup to the first film. Fan reactions have been mixed: some agreed; some thought it was an EvenBetterSequel; and one [[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst Star Trek convention]] voted it the worst Trek film of all time. ''Yes, even more than Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier.''
3rd Aug '16 6:03:57 PM PriceCheck
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** Admiral Pike is willing to take severe measures against Kirk for his refusal to follow the rules... except Kirk only did this with the best of intentions and managed to save an entire planet and its inhabitants, did everything he could to remain within the bounds of the Prime Directive and violated it only when there was no other choice. Pike specifically rakes him over the coals for "interfering with [the planet's] destiny"... which indicates him to be an incredible snob and elitist willing to let untold millions die if they're not Federation material.
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