History YMMV / StarTrekIntoDarkness

16th Oct '16 8:01:09 PM jogirard
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: When Kirk promotes Chekov to Chief Engineer, he tells him to "Go put on a red shirt," referencing one of the [[RedShirt most famous tropes of all time]]. [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall Chekov's face is priceless]], and the scene was [[PlayedforLaughs played for laughs]] in the theater, but it definitely takes on a much darker tone after Anton Yelchin's untimely death in June 2016.
3rd Oct '16 6:39:35 AM Ael42
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** Kirk's [[spoiler:death scene]] was cringeworthy for some, due to its [[spoiler:blatantly plagiarized dialogue]].
11th Sep '16 2:14:13 PM Premonition45
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* HarsherInHindsight: Kirk telling Chekov to put on a RedShirt becomes much darker in light of Creator/AntonYelchin's death in 2016.

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* HarsherInHindsight: FunnyAneurysmMoment: When Kirk telling promotes Chekov to Chief Engineer, he tells him to "Go put on a RedShirt becomes red shirt," referencing one of the [[RedShirt most famous tropes of all time]]. [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall Chekov's face is priceless]], and the scene was [[PlayedforLaughs played for laughs]] in the theater, but it definitely takes on a much darker in light of Creator/AntonYelchin's tone after Anton Yelchin's untimely death in June 2016.
22nd Aug '16 3:23:59 PM Premonition45
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* CriticalDissonance: ''Into Darkness'' is currently sitting at an 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, with the consensus from the critics being that it is a very good, but not ''as good'' followup to the first film. Fan reactions have been mixed: some agreed; some thought it was an EvenBetterSequel; and one [[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst Star Trek convention]] voted it the worst Trek film of all time. ''Yes, even more than Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier.''

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* CriticalDissonance: ''Into Darkness'' is currently sitting at an 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, Tomatoes[[note]]In 4th place behind ''Film/StarTrek'' (95%), ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'' (92%), and ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (90%)[[/note]], with the consensus from the critics being that it is a very good, but not ''as good'' followup to the first film. Fan reactions have been mixed: some agreed; some thought it was an EvenBetterSequel; and one [[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/aug/14/star-trek-into-darkness-voted-worst Star Trek convention]] voted it the worst Trek film of all time. ''Yes, even more than Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier.''
3rd Aug '16 6:03:57 PM PriceCheck
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** Admiral Pike is willing to take severe measures against Kirk for his refusal to follow the rules... except Kirk only did this with the best of intentions and managed to save an entire planet and its inhabitants, did everything he could to remain within the bounds of the Prime Directive and violated it only when there was no other choice. Pike specifically rakes him over the coals for "interfering with [the planet's] destiny"... which indicates him to be an incredible snob and elitist willing to let untold millions die if they're not Federation material.
3rd Aug '16 5:10:52 PM PriceCheck
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The opening scene of the movie raised an interesting point of contention regarding the Prime Directive. Kirk is criticized for flaunting it and lying about it, but to properly observe the Prime Directive would have meant to ''let the entire planet die'' from its volcanic eruption. In fact, most of the problems the Enterprise crew faces occur as a result of trying to observe the Directive to the best of their ability and still save lives. For all intents and purposes, Kirk deserves a moment of ArsonMurderAndLifeSaving... but in a ridiculous aversion, Pike goes after Kirk for not merely observing the planet's last moments like he was supposed to but for daring to interfere with a planet's ''positively sacred internal development''. Literally everything wrong with the Prime Directive is on display in the opening and yet Kirk is being raked over the coals. What is ''wrong'' with Pike that he doesn't realize this?
31st Jul '16 3:31:50 PM twg92
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* HarsherInHindsight: Kirk telling Chekov to put on a RedShirt becomes much darker in light of Creator/AntonYelchin's death in 2016.
30th Jul '16 8:29:33 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: James T. Kirk. While most will agree he had good character development over the course of the two movies, many more will debate whether said development is enough to actually make him a credible Captain. [[spoiler:By the conclusion, a lot were arguing that it would've made more sense for ''Spock'' to be Captain instead.]]

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: James T. Kirk. While most will agree he had good character development over the course of the two movies, many more will debate whether said development is enough to actually make him a credible Captain. [[spoiler:By the conclusion, a lot were arguing that it would've made more sense for ''Spock'' to be Captain instead.]]
26th Jul '16 10:09:31 PM Tavernier
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Admiral Marcus]] as a WellIntentionedExtremist. He figured that the exploration-focused Starfleet would not be able to win a war against the Klingons, a war he thought was inevitable (and may or may not actually be). He was only doing what he thought was necessary to ensure the Federation's survival. It's not even really that much of an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation - the guy just ends up tapping the MoralEventHorizon when [[spoiler:he opts to try and murder Kirk and the entire crew merely for having Khan in their custody, along with other acts]].

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[[spoiler:Admiral Marcus]] as a WellIntentionedExtremist. He figured that the exploration-focused Starfleet would not be able to win a war against the Klingons, a war he thought was inevitable (and may or may not actually be). He was only doing what he thought was necessary to ensure the Federation's survival. It's not even really that much of an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation - the guy just ends up tapping the MoralEventHorizon when [[spoiler:he opts to try and murder Kirk and the entire crew merely for having Khan in their custody, along with other acts]].acts]].
** Admiral Pike is willing to take severe measures against Kirk for his refusal to follow the rules... except Kirk only did this with the best of intentions and managed to save an entire planet and its inhabitants, did everything he could to remain within the bounds of the Prime Directive and violated it only when there was no other choice. Pike specifically rakes him over the coals for "interfering with [the planet's] destiny"... which indicates him to be an incredible snob and elitist willing to let untold millions die if they're not Federation material.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: ''Enterprise'' vs. ''Vengeance''. Yes the ''Vengeance'' totally outperformed the ''Enterprise'' in virtually every area, but that's no excuse not to have an actual starship battle between the two; in fact, it would have made for a great David vs. Goliath scenario, in which Kirk and company would have to come up with elaborate strategy (much like hiding in the Mutara Nebula) to overcome this monster. The fact ''Vengeance'' was meant to be a dark, militarized counterpart to the ''Enterprise'' would have made such a battle all the more fitting.

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''Enterprise'' vs. ''Vengeance''. Yes the ''Vengeance'' totally outperformed the ''Enterprise'' in virtually every area, but that's no excuse not to have an actual starship battle between the two; in fact, it would have made for a great David vs. Goliath scenario, in which Kirk and company would have to come up with elaborate strategy (much like hiding in the Mutara Nebula) to overcome this monster. The fact ''Vengeance'' was meant to be a dark, militarized counterpart to the ''Enterprise'' would have made such a battle all the more fitting.


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** The opening setup is about setting up Kirk's impulsiveness as a character flaw ("Damnit, Man, you just shot our ride!")... except Kirk is morally justified nearly every step of the way, and the fallout over his actions provides the perfect opportunity to take the Prime Directive apart over how incredibly flawed it is. We got a movie about how bad it is for Kirk to leap without looking when it starts with a much more impressive debate about whose lives are worthy to be saved by Federation personnel.
19th Jul '16 12:47:54 AM Silverblade2
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Chekov being told to put on a RedShirt being met with a look of pure terror was a cute little MythologyGag about their tendancy to die. Unfortunately, the curse caught up with him on June 19th, 2016, when Creator/AntonYelchin died in a car accident.
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