History YMMV / StarTrekDeepSpaceNine

21st Jun '18 12:21:24 PM Qrow
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** "Plain, simple, Garak." [[labelnote:Explanation]] How Garak describes himself, even after it's become obvious to ''everyone'' that he's anything ''but'' plain and simple. Something of a RunningGag both in the series and in the fandom. [[/labelnote]]
10th Jun '18 5:54:58 AM StarTropes
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** O'Brien, who's suffered such indignities as [[{{Doppelganger}} abduction/replacement]], arrest and [[KangarooCourt trial]], death, arrest and [[FakeMemories 20 years' imprisonment in 20 hours]], threatened by his [[DemonicPossession possessed wife]], etc. Kira's suffered just as bad, if not worse. And Odo gets his fair share of suffering as well.) The writers even said "O'Brien must suffer" at least once a season because they thought Colm Meaney was great in that kind of story.
** Dukat also gets this treatment in one episode, at the end of Sacrifice of Angels and the beginning of Waltz. Sisko's log, at the beginning of Waltz puts it into words: [[spoiler: He lost an empire, he lost his daughter, and he nearly lost his mind. Whatever his crimes... isn't that enough punishment for one lifetime?]] Of course, since it's [[BigBad Dukat]]...

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** O'Brien, who's suffered such indignities as [[{{Doppelganger}} abduction/replacement]], arrest and [[KangarooCourt trial]], death, death (''thrice'' in one episode), arrest and [[FakeMemories 20 years' imprisonment in 20 hours]], threatened by his [[DemonicPossession possessed wife]], etc. Kira's suffered just as bad, if not worse. And Odo gets his fair share of suffering as well.) The writers even said "O'Brien must suffer" at least once a season because they thought Colm Meaney was great in that kind of story.
** Dukat also gets this treatment in one episode, at the end of Sacrifice of Angels and the beginning of Waltz. Sisko's log, at the beginning of Waltz puts it into words: [[spoiler: He "He lost an empire, he lost his daughter, and he nearly lost his mind. Whatever his crimes... isn't that enough punishment for one lifetime?]] lifetime?"]] Of course, since it's [[BigBad Dukat]]...
8th Jun '18 7:45:05 PM Isaac_Heller
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* SeasonalRot: Seasons 5 and 7, while not exactly regarded as ''bad'', are considered noticeable steps down in quality from Seasons 4 and 6. Season 5 features a number of universally despised episodes (most notably "Let He Who Is Without Sin...") and spends a lot of time spinning its wheels and resetting the Klingon War and Maquis arcs in order to make way for the eventual Dominion War story line, while Season 7 suffers a combination of the show's religious symbolism becoming overwhelming, Gul Dukat being turned from a complex villain into a straightforward OmnicidalManiac, and Ezri Dax... [[ReplacementScrappy just being Ezri Dax]].

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* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is distinctly weak, due to two factors: the departure of Peter Allan Fields (who was responsible for the first two seasons' best writing), and an increasing reliance on Ferengi-centered comedy episodes. It was back on its feet by season 4, though.
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Seasons 5 and 7, while not exactly regarded as ''bad'', are considered noticeable steps down in quality from Seasons 4 and 6. Season 5 features a number of universally despised episodes (most notably "Let He Who Is Without Sin...") and spends a lot of time spinning its wheels and resetting the Klingon War and Maquis arcs in order to make way for the eventual Dominion War story line, while Season 7 suffers a combination of the show's religious symbolism becoming overwhelming, Gul Dukat being turned from a complex villain into a straightforward OmnicidalManiac, and Ezri Dax... [[ReplacementScrappy just being Ezri Dax]].
6th Jun '18 3:14:03 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* CargoShip: In the grand Star Trek fashion, arguably the most popular [[{{Pun}} ship]] in all of ''DS9'' is Sisko/the ''Defiant.'' Same with Worf, even though he's technically not her commanding officer.

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* CargoShip: In the grand Star Trek fashion, arguably the most popular [[{{Pun}} ship]] in all of ''DS9'' ''[=DS9=]'' is Sisko/the ''Defiant.'' Same with Worf, even though he's technically not her commanding officer.



*** No mention of Sisko can be complete without mention of the ''[[CoolStarship Defiant]]'' or as it was memorably christened by SF Debris, the ''USS Benjamin Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand'', the Federation's [[OneManArmy One-Ship Armada.]] Held off the Borg in ''First Contact'', the same enemy that wiped out an entire fleet at Wolf 359, for '''three days''' fighting singlehandedly. Routinely outfights and outguns Starfleet and enemy vessels alike that dwarf her in size. "Tough little ship," indeed.

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*** No mention of Sisko can be complete without mention of the ''[[CoolStarship Defiant]]'' Defiant]]'', or as it was memorably christened by SF Debris, the ''USS Benjamin Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand'', the Federation's [[OneManArmy One-Ship Armada.]] Held off the Borg in ''First Contact'', the same enemy that wiped out an entire fleet at Wolf 359, for '''three days''' fighting singlehandedly. Routinely outfights and outguns Starfleet and enemy vessels alike that dwarf her in size. "Tough little ship," indeed.
6th Jun '18 3:12:06 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* CargoShip: In the grand Star Trek fashion, arguably the most popular [[{{Pun}} ship]] in all of ''DS9'' is Sisko/the ''Defiant.'' Same with Worf, even though he's technically not her commanding officer.


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*** No mention of Sisko can be complete without mention of the ''[[CoolStarship Defiant]]'' or as it was memorably christened by SF Debris, the ''USS Benjamin Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand'', the Federation's [[OneManArmy One-Ship Armada.]] Held off the Borg in ''First Contact'', the same enemy that wiped out an entire fleet at Wolf 359, for '''three days''' fighting singlehandedly. Routinely outfights and outguns Starfleet and enemy vessels alike that dwarf her in size. "Tough little ship," indeed.
6th Jun '18 5:58:53 AM mack
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** Major Kira and the Bajoran resistance can be seen in many ways. Kira justifies her actions through the lens of every member of an occupying species being a legitimate target, then her actions are acceptable and even good. Otherwise you can view her acts against the Cardassians as anything across the spectrum of unforgivable, to NecessarilyEvil, right up to tragic but necessary in a BlackAndGrayMorality situation, as they resisted the occupation of their entire planet against horrific crimes of mass-murder, attempted genocide, slavery, torture, rape, and concentration camps for 50 years making life beyond miserable for nearly every Bajoran on the planet

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** Major Kira and the Bajoran resistance can be seen in many ways. Kira justifies her actions through the lens of every member of an occupying species being a legitimate target, then her actions are acceptable and even good. Otherwise you can view her acts against the Cardassians as anything across the spectrum of unforgivable, to NecessarilyEvil, right up to tragic but necessary in a BlackAndGrayMorality situation, as they resisted the occupation of their entire planet against horrific crimes of mass-murder, attempted genocide, slavery, torture, rape, and concentration camps for 50 years making life beyond miserable for nearly every Bajoran on the planetplanet.
6th Jun '18 5:57:03 AM mack
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** Major Kira and the Bajoran resistance as a whole can be seen in many ways. It heavily depends on how much you accept the interpretation of her as a WellIntentionedExtremist or YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters or if you simply view her as an terrorist. Her speech in "The Darkness and the Light" is central to your interpretation of her. If you believe her defense, that every member of an occupying species is a legitimate target, then her actions are acceptable and even good. Otherwise you can view her acts against the Cardassians as anything across the spectrum of unforgivable, to NecessarilyEvil, right up to tragic but necessary in a BlackAndGrayMorality situation. The setting also influences this defense, with the entirety of Bajor steeped in horrific crimes of mass-murder, attempted genocide, torture, rape, and detention camps that would give Auschwitz a run for its money, to name a few, and all of this for 50 years making life beyond miserable for nearly every Bajoran on the planet. When quality of life is that degraded, terrorism becomes much less a violent option that could be avoided. Add in that all this was perpetrated by a Cardassian Occupation Force that ''was'' mostly military, with the resistance performing terrorist attacks on its own soil only (i.e. not on Cardassia or against Cardassian territory) and against mostly military targets, and situational ethics really do come into play. Does the Resistance count as guerrilla warfare in an ongoing war for the planet? Terrorism against a governmental entity? Both? Her defense is helped by the fact that the Bajoran resistance won eventually by making the Occupation so unpalatable to Cardassia that they couldn't hold the planet. And the fact that she has shown remorse for actions she considered necessary but horrible. But if you view terrorism as unacceptable under any circumstances, then you're unlikely to find her defense acceptable. It's highly unlikely they would give her such a backstory today.

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** Major Kira and the Bajoran resistance as a whole can be seen in many ways. It heavily depends on how much you accept Kira justifies her actions through the interpretation lens of her as a WellIntentionedExtremist or YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters or if you simply view her as an terrorist. Her speech in "The Darkness and the Light" is central to your interpretation of her. If you believe her defense, that every member of an occupying species is being a legitimate target, then her actions are acceptable and even good. Otherwise you can view her acts against the Cardassians as anything across the spectrum of unforgivable, to NecessarilyEvil, right up to tragic but necessary in a BlackAndGrayMorality situation. The setting also influences this defense, with situation, as they resisted the entirety occupation of Bajor steeped in their entire planet against horrific crimes of mass-murder, attempted genocide, slavery, torture, rape, and detention concentration camps that would give Auschwitz a run for its money, to name a few, and all of this for 50 years making life beyond miserable for nearly every Bajoran on the planet. When quality of life is that degraded, terrorism becomes much less a violent option that could be avoided. Add in that all this was perpetrated by a Cardassian Occupation Force that ''was'' mostly military, with the resistance performing terrorist attacks on its own soil only (i.e. not on Cardassia or against Cardassian territory) and against mostly military targets, and situational ethics really do come into play. Does the Resistance count as guerrilla warfare in an ongoing war for the planet? Terrorism against a governmental entity? Both? Her defense is helped by the fact that the Bajoran resistance won eventually by making the Occupation so unpalatable to Cardassia that they couldn't hold the planet. And the fact that she has shown remorse for actions she considered necessary but horrible. But if you view terrorism as unacceptable under any circumstances, then you're unlikely to find her defense acceptable. It's highly unlikely they would give her such a backstory today.planet
27th May '18 6:07:31 PM smasll_lordvoice
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* CreepyAwesome: The Breen, who we learn almost ''nothing'' about, and are all the more terrifying because of it. Even the [[HorrifyingTheHorror Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians]] fear them. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment They make their entrance into the Dominion War known by]] [[spoiler: ''successfully'' bombing Starfleet Headquarters in San Francisco.]] And they're incredibly cool at the same time, because their skills and uniforms are [[EvilIsCool just so]] [[EvilIsCool snazzy.]]

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* CreepyAwesome: The Breen, who we learn almost ''nothing'' about, and are all the more terrifying [[NothingIsScarier because of it.it]]. Even the [[HorrifyingTheHorror Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians]] fear them. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment They make their entrance into the Dominion War known by]] [[spoiler: ''successfully'' bombing Starfleet Headquarters in San Francisco.]] And they're incredibly cool at the same time, because their skills and uniforms are [[EvilIsCool just so]] [[EvilIsCool ''[[EvilIsCool snazzy.]]]]''
20th May '18 5:52:04 PM 43110
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* MagnificentBastard:
** Gul Dukat had a certain flair most ''Franchise/StarTrek'' villains lack, at least early on. Garak was a much better example. As stated elsewhere, Cardassians [[PlanetOfHats excel at this trope]]; their culture is based around manipulation with style.
** Garak's speech to Sisko at the end of In The Pale Moonlight is a beautiful example of the trope. So the plan Sisko thought he'd reluctantly signed up to failed, well that's ok because Garak had another little twist in mind that would involve a few deaths but get the desired result. Then when Sisko works it all out, and beats Garak up in his own shop, Garak unleashes the monologue...
---> That's why you came to me, isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing? Well, it worked. And you'll get what you want: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain.
** Weyoun, the most prominent member of a race that was engineered to be this, although he tends to vary. Depending on his particular incarnation, he can twist the other characters around like bits of yarn, or he's a SmugSnake. You have to admire the way he drinks that poisoned kanar, though.
** The Founders are nearly an entire race of Magnificent Bastards, lacking perhaps only the charisma that usually goes with the trope. They manipulate politics on a galactic scale and are not afraid to personally take a hand in doing so, disguising themselves as major figures to disrupt other superpowers internally.
** '''Section 31'''. At the end of the series, a whole ''Star Empire'' is dancing on their tune. They also prove to be so useful and efficient, even the [[BigGood Federation]] will tacitly support their attempt at ''genocide''. Sloan in particular achieves this status with his devilishly clever BatmanGambit in "Inter Arna Enim Silent Leges". The genocide plot could also easily be considered a XanatosGambit, to be honest.

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* MagnificentBastard:
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MagnificentBastard: Elim Garak presents himself as merely a plain, simple tailor, but is quickly revealed to be much more then that. A former member of the Cardassian Intelligence outfit, the Obsidian Order, Garak is exiled from Cardassia and forced to live on Deep Space 9. Garak is able to defeat several of his enemies, outwitting arrogant Cardassian military officials like Gul Dukat had a certain flair most ''Franchise/StarTrek'' villains lack, at least early on. and Gul Toran. Garak was a much better example. As stated elsewhere, Cardassians [[PlanetOfHats excel at this trope]]; their culture also is based around manipulation with style.
** Garak's speech
able to Sisko at manipulate the end of In The Pale Moonlight is a beautiful example of heroes as well, spotting an assassin on the trope. So the plan Sisko thought he'd reluctantly signed up station sent to failed, well that's ok because kill him, Garak had another little twist in mind that would involve a few deaths but get the desired result. Then when Sisko works it all out, and beats Garak blows up in his own shop, shop to get Odo investigate the situation and deal with the assassin and gets Worf to defy his orders by playing to his sense of honor. After Cardassia joins the Dominion, Garak unleashes the monologue...
---> That's why you came
is resolved to me, isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing? Well, it worked. And you'll get what you want: a war between the Romulans and freeing Cardassia from the Dominion. And if your conscience Garak's master stroke is bothering you, you should soothe it with forcing the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant. And all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, Empire to declare war on the Dominion, by manipulating Sisko into manufacturing evidence of an up coming attack on Romulus and presenting it to a Romulan Senator. When the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call Senator decides the evidence is fake, Garak blows up his shuttle, so that a bargain.
** Weyoun,
the most prominent member of a race that was engineered to be this, although he tends to vary. Depending on his particular incarnation, he can twist Romulan Empire will think the other characters around like bits of yarn, or he's a SmugSnake. You have to admire Dominion killed him and declare war on the way he drinks that poisoned kanar, though.
** The Founders are nearly an entire race of Magnificent Bastards, lacking perhaps only
Dominion. In the charisma that usually goes final season, Garak works with the trope. They manipulate politics on a galactic scale Colonel Kira and are not afraid to personally take a hand in doing so, disguising themselves as major figures to disrupt other superpowers internally.
** '''Section 31'''. At the end of the series, a whole ''Star Empire'' is dancing on their tune. They also prove to be so useful
Legate Damar and efficient, even the [[BigGood Federation]] will tacitly support their attempt at ''genocide''. Sloan in particular achieves this status with uses his devilishly clever BatmanGambit in "Inter Arna Enim Silent Leges". The genocide plot could also easily be considered a XanatosGambit, skills to be honest.help a Cardassian resistance movement overthrow Dominion rule on Cardassia.
18th May '18 2:39:46 PM spydre
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* FanNickname: WebSeries/SFDebris coined the name "Ben Sisko's Mutha****in' Pimp Hand" for the ''Defiant'', which appears to have caught on over the Internet.
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