History YMMV / StarOceanTheSecondStory

18th Jul '16 5:05:02 AM PF
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* {{Narm}}: Nall briefing the heroes on the Ten Wise Men. We see the Wise Men brutally massacre people in monochrome shots. These scenes would be actually gruesome if it weren't for the deformity of the figures while the Wise Men are realistically proportioned.

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* {{Narm}}: Nall briefing the heroes on the Ten Wise Men. We see the Ten Wise Men brutally massacre people in monochrome shots. These scenes would be actually gruesome if it weren't for the deformity of the figures while the Ten Wise Men are realistically proportioned.
7th Jul '16 7:40:07 AM PF
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** Zadkiel/ Ruprecht also has some fans despite being very insignificant to the game other than being one of three bosses and [[spoiler: one of the Wise Men to discover Filia's death.]]

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** Zadkiel/ Ruprecht also has some fans despite being very insignificant to the game other than being one of three bosses and [[spoiler: one of the Ten Wise Men to discover Filia's Philia's death.]]



** Eternal Sphere / Aeterna is itself a Game Breaker; beyond an impressive 1600 ATK stat, granting several elemental resistences, and other stat increases, the weapon also shoots out multiple stars with each successful hit. Each star can also damage an enemy, and it is very easy to stunlock any enemy sans the Final Boss and the last boss in the Bonus Dungeon by spamming normal attacks with it.

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** Eternal Sphere / Aeterna is itself a Game Breaker; beyond an impressive 1600 ATK stat, granting several elemental resistences, resistances, and other stat increases, the weapon also shoots out multiple stars with each successful hit. Each star can also damage an enemy, and it is very easy to stunlock any enemy sans the Final Boss and the last boss in the Bonus Dungeon by spamming normal attacks with it.
7th Jul '16 7:38:38 AM PF
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* DemonicSpiders: The game has a handful of these.

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* DemonicSpiders: The game has a handful of these.these:



** The goofy-looking hourglass enemies can completely freeze the entire party, and the attack that causes this only takes a full second to start up and doesn't use any MP. If you're fighting a group of them, they can repeatedly chain these attacks together, leaving you utterly helpless as they decimate your party.
*** Thankfully, at least in the PSX version, the freeze timer keeps going even if you open the menu, letting you recover from their attack much quicker.

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** The goofy-looking hourglass enemies can completely freeze the entire party, and the attack that causes this only takes a full second to start up and doesn't use any MP. If you're fighting a group of them, they can repeatedly chain these attacks together, leaving you utterly helpless as they decimate your party. \n*** Thankfully, at least in the PSX UsefulNotes/PlayStation version, the freeze timer keeps going even if you open the menu, letting you recover from their attack much quicker.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Leon. When the manga adaptation conducted its first popularity poll, Leon took 4th place (behind Ashton, Claude, and Rena), despite the fact that he hadn't even been introduced to the story yet.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Leon. When the manga adaptation conducted its first popularity poll, Leon took 4th place (behind Ashton, Claude, and Rena), despite the fact that he hadn't even been introduced to the story yet.



* GameBreaker: Several exploits and facets of the game can render it very easy, especially on the lower difficulties.

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* GameBreaker: Several exploits and facets of the game can render it very easy, especially on the lower difficulties.difficulties:



* GeniusBonus: It isn't ''that'' hard to tell, original English version aside, that the Wise Men are named for angels; more specifically, the ethnarchs of the nine angelic choirs ([[OddNameOut Lucifer]] is the obvious outlier). Not so easy to notice: Their ranking is in the ''reverse order'' of their namesakes. Metatron, ethnarch of the seraphim, is the highest ranking in Jewish lore; in the Wise Men, he's one of the three ''least'' of them, along with Jophiel and Zaphkiel (themselves named for the cherubim ethnarch and thrones ethnarch, the second highest and third highest). Meanwhile, Gabriel is the ''leader'' of the Wise Men[[spoiler:, not to mention the vessel of their creators' soul]]. But according to angelology, he's the ''lowest''-ranking of the ethnarchs, heading the...um...angels (contrast to archangels, principalities, etc.). This is important because the lower-ranking ethnarchs are considered to be the ones closer to humanity, the higher-ranking ones closer to the divine. [[spoiler: In other words, Nede was implicitly appropriating divinity, and all the [[AboveGoodAndEvil impunity typically associated with it]], themselves with the creation of the Wise Men as galactic enforcers.]]

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* GeniusBonus: It isn't ''that'' hard to tell, original English version aside, that the Ten Wise Men are named for angels; more specifically, the ethnarchs of the nine angelic choirs ([[OddNameOut Lucifer]] is the obvious outlier). Not so easy to notice: Their ranking is in the ''reverse order'' of their namesakes. Metatron, ethnarch of the seraphim, is the highest ranking in Jewish lore; in the Wise Men, he's one of the three ''least'' of them, along with Jophiel and Zaphkiel (themselves named for the cherubim ethnarch and thrones ethnarch, the second highest and third highest). Meanwhile, Gabriel is the ''leader'' of the Wise Men[[spoiler:, not to mention the vessel of their creators' soul]]. But according to angelology, he's the ''lowest''-ranking of the ethnarchs, heading the...um...angels (contrast to archangels, principalities, etc.). This is important because the lower-ranking ethnarchs are considered to be the ones closer to humanity, the higher-ranking ones closer to the divine. [[spoiler: In other words, Nede was implicitly appropriating divinity, and all the [[AboveGoodAndEvil impunity typically associated with it]], themselves with the creation of the Wise Men as galactic enforcers.]]



** One of Opera's weapons is called [[{{Xbox}} X-Box]].
* HoYay: Ashton in both a Private Action with Claude and his ending with Noel.
** Ironically, that Private Action also unlocks one of the bigger ShipTease scenes between Claude and Rena.
** Noel also is a victim of this, especially in some of the Private Actions in [[spoiler:LotusEaterMachine Expel.]]
* {{Mondegreen}}: A surprising number of people will swear on their parents' graves that Claude's [=PS1=] battle cry for Ripper Blast is "pear into peaches" rather than "tear into pieces."

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** One of Opera's weapons is called [[{{Xbox}} [[UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}} X-Box]].
* HoYay: HoYay:
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Ashton in both a Private Action with Claude and his ending with Noel.
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Noel. Ironically, that Private Action also unlocks one of the bigger ShipTease scenes between Claude and Rena.
** Noel also is a victim of this, especially in some of the Private Actions in [[spoiler:LotusEaterMachine Expel.]]
* {{Mondegreen}}: A surprising number of people will swear on their parents' graves fans believe that Claude's [=PS1=] battle cry for Ripper Blast is "pear into peaches" rather than "tear into pieces."



* NarmCharm: The characters' dialogue during battle sequences (such as Chisato's exaggerated "Oh no!" upon seeing a group of enemies) can come off as this, due to their (to modern audiences) weak audio quality. Some fans even complained because the voice acting was fixed for the ''Second Evolution'' remake.
** Even the voice acting in the remake isn't perfect. There's just something incredibly hilarious about Claude shouting an overblown, "Dammit!" if he fails at item creation.
* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:The death of Ronyx. Not only does this send the protagonist into a rage at Indalecio, but Ronyx was a pivotal and well-liked player character from the first game.]]

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* NarmCharm: NarmCharm:
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The characters' dialogue during battle sequences (such as Chisato's exaggerated "Oh no!" upon seeing a group of enemies) can come off as this, due to their (to modern audiences) weak audio quality. Some fans even complained because the voice acting was fixed for the ''Second Evolution'' remake.
** Even the The voice acting in the remake isn't perfect. There's just something incredibly hilarious about Claude shouting an overblown, "Dammit!" if he fails at item creation.
* PlayerPunch: PlayerPunch:
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[[spoiler:The death of Ronyx. Not only does this send the protagonist into a rage at Indalecio, but Ronyx was a pivotal and well-liked player character from the first game.]]



* SoBadItsGood: The voice acting in the PSX version of the game is just so terrible at times, namely [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCvnUeXUHZE Claude]], that it's actually humorous. The PSP remake has completely redone voice acting which, for good or ill, is much more competent.
** TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some people ''really'' liked the hokey voice acting, similar to ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' fans who liked ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]'s'' NarmCharm laden dialogue.
** Notably, this game has been held up, along with ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'', as a prime example of how ''not'' to do video-game voiceovers.
** "Lame Launcher"-Opera

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* SoBadItsGood: The voice acting in the PSX [=PS1=] version of the game is just so terrible bad at times, namely [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCvnUeXUHZE Claude]], that it's actually humorous. Claude.]] The PSP remake has completely redone voice acting which, for good or ill, is much more competent.
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acting.
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TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some people ''really'' liked fans prefer the hokey original voice acting, acting the over the remake's, similar to ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' fans who liked ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]'s'' Night]]''[='=]s NarmCharm laden dialogue.
** Notably, this game has been held up, along with ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'', as a prime example of how ''not'' to do video-game voiceovers.
** "Lame Launcher"-Opera
dialogue.



* ThatOneBoss: There is a boss battle where you fight this pair of Egyptian apes called "Harfainx" ("Halfynx" in the PSP remake) who have 50% parry rates, know ''exactly'' when to counter-attack to push your characters back, and - in the half-second gap while you're running back towards them - can drop a spell that takes off half your hit points. Later in the game, when you're searching for the local {{Unobtanium}}, they [[DegradedBoss show up as random encounters]]. ...As ''90%'' of the random encounters. ...In packs of three.
** Haniel and Michael. They're able to chain cast spells to the point where you ''can't do a thing'' and have your party dead. Oh yes, did we mention that they love firing multi-hit attacks when you're trying to deny the other one from casting?

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* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss:
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There is a boss battle where you fight this pair of Egyptian apes called "Harfainx" ("Halfynx" in the PSP remake) who have 50% parry rates, know ''exactly'' when to counter-attack counterattack to push your characters back, and - in the half-second gap while you're running back towards them - can drop a spell that takes off half your hit points. Later in the game, when you're searching for the local {{Unobtanium}}, they [[DegradedBoss show up as random encounters]]. ...As ''90%'' of the random encounters. ...In packs of three.
** Haniel and Michael. They're able to chain cast spells to the point where you ''can't do a thing'' and have your party dead. Oh yes, did we mention that they party. They also love firing multi-hit attacks when you're trying to deny the other one from casting?casting.



* TheWoobie: Rena.
** [[spoiler:Seriously...How would you feel knowing you were adopted, and that your real parents died like...Hundreds of millions of years ago?]]
** [[spoiler:Claude gets to see his father's ship getting blown to pieces by the ten wise men. With his father in that ship.]]
*** [[spoiler:Even worse that Ronyx believed his own son was dead, and never lived to find out that Claude was alive. If you're playing from Claude's POV, the flashbacks in the Fields detailing their relationship don't help at all, as you realize they can never resolve their issues now.]]
** Philia is an even bigger one. [[spoiler:What with her dad being the BigBad and all.]]

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* TheWoobie: Rena.
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** [[spoiler:Seriously...How Rena. [[spoiler:Seriously, how would you feel knowing you were adopted, and that your real parents died like...Hundreds hundreds of millions of years ago?]]
** [[spoiler:Claude gets to see Claude after seeing his father's ship getting [[spoiler:getting blown to pieces by the ten wise men. With Ten Wise Men while his father in was on said ship.]] Even worse is that ship.[[spoiler:Ronyx believed that his own son was dead, and never lived to find out that Claude was alive.]] If you're playing from Claude's POV, [[spoiler:the flashbacks in the Fields detailing their relationship don't help at all, as you realize they can never resolve their issues.]]
*** [[spoiler:Even worse that Ronyx believed his own son was dead, and never lived to find out that Claude was alive. If you're playing from Claude's POV, the flashbacks in the Fields detailing their relationship don't help at all, as you realize they can never resolve their issues now.]]
** Philia is an even bigger one. [[spoiler:What with her as [[spoiler:her dad being is the BigBad and all.BigBad.]]



* {{Woolseyism}}: In the original [=PS1=] version, the names of the ten wise men were changed from the archangel-references and given much more original sounding names like Indalecio. The 2009 remake is obviously ''way'' better, but this was one of those things that some people actually ''do'' like better about the [=PS1=] version.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: In the original [=PS1=] version, the names of the ten wise men Ten Wise Men were changed from the archangel-references and given much more original sounding names like Indalecio. The 2009 remake is obviously ''way'' better, but this was one of those things that some people actually ''do'' like better about the [=PS1=] version.Indalecio.
29th May '16 6:53:33 PM nombretomado
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* {{Mondegreen}}: A surprising number of people will swear on their parents' graves that Claude's PS1 battle cry for Ripper Blast is "pear into peaches" rather than "tear into pieces."

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* {{Mondegreen}}: A surprising number of people will swear on their parents' graves that Claude's PS1 [=PS1=] battle cry for Ripper Blast is "pear into peaches" rather than "tear into pieces."



* {{Woolseyism}}: In the original PS1 version, the names of the ten wise men were changed from the archangel-references and given much more original sounding names like Indalecio. The 2009 remake is obviously ''way'' better, but this was one of those things that some people actually ''do'' like better about the PS1 version.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: In the original PS1 [=PS1=] version, the names of the ten wise men were changed from the archangel-references and given much more original sounding names like Indalecio. The 2009 remake is obviously ''way'' better, but this was one of those things that some people actually ''do'' like better about the PS1 [=PS1=] version.
19th Sep '15 12:43:12 PM DivineDeath
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* UglyCute: Rena certainly has this opinion of Creepy and Weepy once they shrink down and graft themselves to Ashton's back.
28th Jul '15 7:19:48 PM Mr.French
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* DisappointingLastLevel: The end game feels very rushed, with the player blowing through the Ten Wise Men in groups at a time.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Only two of the Ten Wise Men get any notable characterization, and most of them are taken out all at once. Considering they're the BigBadEnsemble of the game, it's rather disappointing that we learn next to nothing about them.
28th Jul '15 7:16:22 PM Mr.French
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** Ashton is also so supremely popular that many forget that he's an optional character.
8th Apr '15 10:14:13 AM GunarmDyne
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** Even the voice acting in the remake isn't perfect. There's just something incredibly hilarious about Claude shouting an overblown, "Dammit!" if he fails at item creation.
4th Apr '15 12:30:03 AM BagonsBeBagons
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* {{Narm}}: Nall briefing the heroes on the Ten Wise Men. We see the Wise Men brutally massacre people in monochrome shots. These scenes would be actually gruesome if it weren't for the deformity of the figures while the Wise Men are realistically proportioned.
17th Feb '15 11:55:17 AM crazyrabbits
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