History YMMV / SpecOpsTheLine

6th Nov '17 10:29:33 AM SamMax
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The other games weren't exactly the most well-recieved titles, but this installment is the most acclaimed and most well known in the series.
28th Oct '17 1:48:23 PM FlakyPorcupine
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* RewatchBonus: Lots of the foreshadowing becomes more apparent with added context.
** The significance of Konrad [[spoiler: putting his pistol in his holster in the opening cutscene]] is much more obvious in retrospect.

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** The reveal that [[spoiler:the Konrad that Walker talks to is part of his conscious, therefore Walker himself is deluding himself the entire game]]. [[AudienceSurrogate Walker himself]] doesn't take this well either, [[spoiler:especially given that, if the player doesn't intervene, he is DrivenToSuicide]].
* RewatchBonus: Lots of the foreshadowing becomes more apparent with added context.
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** The significance of Konrad [[spoiler: putting [[spoiler:putting his pistol in his holster in the opening cutscene]] is much more obvious in retrospect.
22nd Oct '17 11:37:13 AM Robotnik
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** In terms of themes and characterization, it also has a number of striking similarities with ''Film/TheHurtLocker''.
15th Sep '17 12:12:35 PM N8han11
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*** Actually, let's -- the military brass explicitly ordered Konrad to get the hell out of Dubai before the storm hit, but Konrad (and the Damned 33rd) opted to stay to act both as a stabilizing element and in the hopes of organizing a mass evacuation for those that hadn't already gotten out of the city. Konrad himself was a WellIntentionedExtremist at worst (as even the draconian water-rationing had a purpose), and his initial attitude was ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight when told not to intercede. However, this also reinforces the point that, regardless of how noble your intentions going in might be, things are not guaranteed to work out well in the end.
15th Sep '17 12:09:43 PM N8han11
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*** What this ignores, however, is that you don't have to fire the white phosphorous. If you don't want to do so, then you can turn the game off. It's strange, that the game is begging you not to play it. But the ultimate point of the game is that it's not making you do ''anything''. If you fired the white phosphorus, who then is at fault? The game, for presenting you with the opportunity to do it? Or you, the player, for doing so without question?
15th Sep '17 12:08:36 PM N8han11
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** The game repeatedly lambasts you for taking certain actions even though it doesn't actually give you any other alternative to progress the story (scolding you for not doing recon, but not actually giving you the chance to do recon, and so on). The developers' reply to this was that of course you had another option, you could just turn off the game! Besides being blatantly insulting (let's not play the game you paid for so that you're not forced to commit an act of virtual violence), this is essentially saying that the better option than doing something risky and dangerous is just giving up and accepting defeat. In essence, when faced with enemies in war, the more moral action is to just lay down and die.

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** The game repeatedly lambasts you for taking certain actions even though it doesn't actually give you any other alternative to progress the story (scolding you for not doing recon, but not actually giving you the chance to do recon, and so on). The developers' reply to this was that of course you had another option, you could just turn off the game! Besides being blatantly insulting (let's not play the game you paid for so that you're not forced to commit an act of virtual violence), this This is essentially saying that the better option than doing something risky and dangerous is just giving up and accepting defeat. In essence, when faced with enemies in war, the more moral action is to just lay down and die.
6th Sep '17 5:12:42 PM JulianLapostat
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[VillainProtagonist Walker]]. As he spends more and more time in Dubai, Walker begins turning into an AxCrazy BloodKnight [[KnightTemplar Templar]]. Walker gases soldiers and civilians with white phosphorous (which, as the game shows, is not a pleasant way to go), shoots civilians in a fit of anger, and has so many ShootTheDog / KickTheDog moments that he is definitely ''not'' a good guy.]]
** Of course, [[spoiler:Walker]] wasn't really the one doing all that. [[spoiler:[[YouBastard You were.]] ''You'' could've MercyKill ed Riggs, but you didn't. You could have held fire on Lugo's murderers, but you didn't. The game told you that white phosphorous is very deadly, but you had Walker fire it at the soldiers anyway, despite the fact that the soldiers weren't trying to attack you. ''You'' were the one so ingrained with modern military shooter doctrine that you accepted everything that came at you willingly, probably without question. As [[DeadAllAlong Konrad]] points out, you could've just turned off the game and walked away before the first firefight. None of this would have happened, if '''[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou you]] had just stopped.''']]
6th Sep '17 4:28:30 PM RoninMacbeth
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*** What this ignores, however, is that you don't have to fire the white phosphorous. If you don't want to do so, then you can turn the game off. It's strange, that the game is begging you not to play it. But the ultimate point of the game is that it's not making you do ''anything''. If you fired the white phosphorus, who then is at fault? The game, for presenting you with the opportunity to do it? Or you, the player, for doing so without question?
6th Sep '17 4:22:06 PM RoninMacbeth
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[VillainProtagonist Walker]]. As he spends more and more time in Dubai, Walker begins turning into an AxCrazy BloodKnight [[KnightTemplar Templar]]. Walker gases soldiers and civilians with white phosphorous (which, as the game shows, is not a pleasant way to go), shoots civilians in a fit of anger, and has so many ShootTheDog / KickTheDog moments that he is definitely ''not'' a good guy.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[VillainProtagonist Walker]]. As he spends more and more time in Dubai, Walker begins turning into an AxCrazy BloodKnight [[KnightTemplar Templar]]. Walker gases soldiers and civilians with white phosphorous (which, as the game shows, is not a pleasant way to go), shoots civilians in a fit of anger, and has so many ShootTheDog / KickTheDog moments that he is definitely ''not'' a good guy.]]
6th Sep '17 4:20:09 PM RoninMacbeth
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[VillainProtagonist Walker]]. As he spends more and more time in Dubai, Walker begins turning into an AxCrazy BloodKnight [[KnightTemplar Templar]]. Walker gases soldiers and civilians with white phosphorous (which, as the game shows, is not a pleasant way to go), shoots civilians in a fit of anger, and has so many ShootTheDog / KickTheDog moments that he is definitely ''not'' a good guy.
** Of course, [[spoiler:Walker]] wasn't really the one doing all that. [[spoiler:[[YouBastard You were.]] ''You'' could've MercyKill ed Riggs, but you didn't. You could have held fire on Lugo's murderers, but you didn't. The game told you that white phosphorous is very deadly, but you had Walker fire it at the soldiers anyway, despite the fact that the soldiers weren't trying to attack you. ''You'' were the one so ingrained with modern military shooter doctrine that you accepted everything that came at you willingly, probably without question. As [[DeadAllAlong Konrad]] points out, you could've just turned off the game and walked away before the first firefight. None of this would have happened, if '''[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou you]] had just stopped.''']]
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