History YMMV / SomeLikeItHot

12th Nov '15 12:05:00 PM dsneybuf
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* HoYay: "Daphne" and Osgood - although Osgood thinks Jerry's a woman, when he reveals himself to be a man, Osgood doesn't seem too fazed.
** Though the fact that Osgood is obviously ''slightly'' senile might explain the reaction.

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* HoYay: "Daphne" and Osgood - although Osgood thinks Jerry's a woman, when he reveals himself to be a man, Osgood doesn't seem too fazed.
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fazed. Though the fact that Osgood is obviously ''slightly'' senile might explain the reaction.
12th Nov '15 12:02:45 PM dsneybuf
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* ValuesDissonance: Jerry's and Joe's respective methods of seducing Sugar come off a little rapey by today standards.

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* ValuesDissonance: Jerry's and Joe's respective methods of seducing Sugar come off a little rapey by today today's standards.
12th Nov '15 12:02:34 PM dsneybuf
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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. The movie's final line ("Well, nobody's perfect!") could apply well to them.
** Jerry trying to seduce Sugar earlier in the film by trying to get her drunk while pretending to be a girl to lure her into a false sense of security (presumably so he can have his way with her while she's too intoxicated to know what's going on [[WhatDidIDoLastNight or remember that her band mate "Daphne" is a man in the morning]]), is played for laughs. Today, that's known as "date rape," and wouldn't be played for light-hearted comedy.

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* ValuesDissonance: Jerry's and Joe's method respective methods of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating Sugar come off a little rapey by today standards.
** Jerry tries to get her drunk while pretending to be a girl to lure her into a false sense of security (presumably so he can have his way with her while she's too intoxicated to know what's going on [[WhatDidIDoLastNight or remember that her band mate "Daphne" is a man in the morning]]). This is played for laughs. Today, it wouldn't be played for light-hearted comedy.
**Joe manipulates
her into kissing him him, by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that before. Although, Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. The movie's final line ("Well, nobody's perfect!") could apply well to them.
** Jerry trying to seduce Sugar earlier in the film by trying to get her drunk while pretending to be a girl to lure her into a false sense of security (presumably so he can have his way with her while she's too intoxicated to know what's going on [[WhatDidIDoLastNight or remember that her band mate "Daphne" is a man in the morning]]), is played for laughs. Today, that's known as "date rape," and wouldn't be played for light-hearted comedy.
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21st Oct '15 1:46:03 PM Give1Take2
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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. The movie's final line-"Well, nobody's perfect!"-could apply well to them.

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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. The movie's final line-"Well, line ("Well, nobody's perfect!"-could perfect!") could apply well to them.them.
** Jerry trying to seduce Sugar earlier in the film by trying to get her drunk while pretending to be a girl to lure her into a false sense of security (presumably so he can have his way with her while she's too intoxicated to know what's going on [[WhatDidIDoLastNight or remember that her band mate "Daphne" is a man in the morning]]), is played for laughs. Today, that's known as "date rape," and wouldn't be played for light-hearted comedy.
* ValuesResonance: While the film's comedy hinges on playing with gender roles, it's done light-heartedly, and plays more with social expectations of the genders rather than how it perceives them (especially women) to actually be. The amount of LesYay between Sugar and her "pals" Daphne and Josephine, and implied HoYay between the secretly male "Daphne" and Osgood (who seem to still have some feelings for each other even when they know the other is male) is done non-malicously, non-stereotypically, and very much taken in stride. Such portrayals continue to be well-regarded in a time when gender and sexuality norms are continually called into question.
23rd Dec '14 8:07:58 AM dsneybuf
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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. As Osgood reminds Daphne, "Well, nobody's perfect."

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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway. As Osgood reminds Daphne, "Well, The movie's final line-"Well, nobody's perfect."perfect!"-could apply well to them.
19th Dec '14 8:20:18 AM dsneybuf
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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards.
** Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards.
** Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway.
** Well, nobody's perfect.

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* ValuesDissonance: Joe's method of seducing Sugar, namely manipulating her into kissing him by making up a tragic story about never having been able to feel anything for a woman before, comes off a little rapey by today's standards.
**
standards. Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards.
**
standards. Basically, neither one of them is a very good person, but we mostly like them anyway.
** Well,
anyway. As Osgood reminds Daphne, "Well, nobody's perfect."
30th Sep '14 11:45:44 AM dsneybuf
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* TheWoobie: Sugar when she's singing "I'm Through With Love" at the end - so much so that Joe has a HeelRealization and realizes he actually cares about her, unlike the countless girls he's used in the past.

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* TheWoobie: Sugar when she's singing she recounts and experiences tales of having her heart broken by scumbag men. As she sings "I'm Through With Love" at the end - so much so that end, Joe has a HeelRealization and realizes he actually cares about her, unlike the countless girls he's used in the past.past.
-->Story of my life, I always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
4th Jun '14 11:44:53 AM firejewel
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** Though the fact that Osgood is obviously ''slightly'' senile might explain the reaction.
5th Jul '13 3:14:06 PM rt2012
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* TheWoobie: Sugar when she's singing "I'm Through With Love" at the end - so much so that Joe has a HeelRealization and realizes he actually cares about her, unlike the countless girls he's used in the past.
13th Jun '13 7:18:28 PM BibsDibs
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** Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), playing him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards.

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** Until you realize that Sugar is lying to him too (though more subtlely than he is), playing plying him with alcohol, and encouraging him to kiss her even though he says he's not interested in women in general or in anything they're doing. It comes off a little like trying to convert a gay guy by today's standards.
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