History YMMV / Smallville

11th Nov '17 1:53:49 PM DoctorCooper
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right. [[http://www.sundance.tv/series/the-writers-room/blog/2014/04/interview-with-smallville-creators-alfred-gough-and-miles-millar Even the original creators think that her attitude made her seem cold and unsympathetic]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Normally, the Kents are sympathetic and beloved by the fandom. However, in "Unsafe" they become unsympathetic for acting too harshly on Clark because he "married" Alicia while he was affected by Red Kryptonite and outright disregard that Clark couldn't use his will or a good judgement. The plot uses them to teach a moral about marrying responsibly, but when one of the "offenders" couldn't even use free will, that moral goes downhill.
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Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try tried to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right. [[http://www.sundance.tv/series/the-writers-room/blog/2014/04/interview-with-smallville-creators-alfred-gough-and-miles-millar Even the original creators think acknowledged that her attitude made her seem cold and unsympathetic]].



** Oliver falls into this a lot. {{Justified|Trope}}, in that Comicbook/GreenArrow has always had stories that were a little… darker… than other superheroes ever since the [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks 1970's]], so it's not as if his {{Wangst}} is unique to this show.

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** Oliver falls into this a lot. {{Justified|Trope}}, in that Comicbook/GreenArrow has always had stories that were a little… darker… than other superheroes ever since the [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks 1970's]], so it's not as if his {{Wangst}} wangst is unique to this show.
19th Oct '17 10:33:01 PM DoctorCooper
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right. [[http://www.sundance.tv/series/the-writers-room/blog/2014/04/interview-with-smallville-creators-alfred-gough-and-miles-millar Even the original creators think that her attitude made her seem cold and unsympathetic]].
12th Oct '17 12:13:06 PM tetsuzan
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** The comic continuation gives a few WhatYouAreInTheDark to Lex Luthor. Such as him risking his life to save Clark Kent from drowning despite not only hating him but hoping that he would get into an accident. This has caused many to once again hope that Lex averts DoomedByCanon.
7th Oct '17 9:27:28 PM DoctorCooper
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** Oliver Queen is introduced right after he had Lex Luthor kidnapped to be experimented on after his possession by Zod his decision to stop it was undercut by the fact that he hired SociopathicSoldier to do it. He’s later seen rescuing the meteor freaks that Lex was experimenting on however since there was no mention of his earlier activities he comes across as just as big a hypocrite as Lex. Finally upon finding out that Linal Luthor killed his parents he tracked down and attempted to kill Lex Luthor [[MisplacedRetribution who had absolutely nothing to do with it]]. When you add the revelation that he used to bully Lex in school and Oliver come across less as a WellIntentionedExtremist and more of SchoolyardBullyAllGrownUp

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** Oliver Queen is introduced right after he had Lex Luthor kidnapped to be experimented on after his possession by Zod his decision to stop it was undercut by the fact that he hired SociopathicSoldier to do it. He’s later seen rescuing the meteor freaks that Lex was experimenting on however since there was no mention of his earlier activities he comes across as just as big a hypocrite as Lex. Finally upon finding out that Linal Luthor killed his parents he tracked down and attempted to kill Lex Luthor [[MisplacedRetribution who had absolutely nothing to do with it]]. When you add the revelation that he used to bully Lex in school and Oliver come across less as a WellIntentionedExtremist and more of SchoolyardBullyAllGrownUpSchoolyardBullyAllGrownUp. He becomes more redeeming with time.


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** Evil twins of Clark have the same attractiveness that Clark has.


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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Lana became more annoying as seasons passed, but the forced efforts to make her likeable had begun since the beginning. But in the two earlier seasons, she wasn't annoying and preachy about honesty, so she could be tolerable then.
2nd Oct '17 8:27:28 PM DoctorCooper
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** The reveal of Pete’s powers in "Hero". Pete sees a speaker about to fall on Kara. It falls, and he reaches, and pulls her back. With stretchy arms. But see, he doesn't know he has the power yet, so why does he just reach his arms instead of, I dunno, starting to run, THEN using the arms for that extra bit of stretch?

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** The reveal of Pete’s powers in "Hero". Pete sees a speaker about to fall on Kara. It falls, and he reaches, and pulls her back. With stretchy arms. But see, he doesn't know he has the power yet, so why does he just reach his arms instead of, I dunno, of ...starting to run, THEN using the arms for that extra bit of stretch?



** Every instance of Jonathan and Pete telling Clark that Lex couldn't be trusted through seasons 1-3 fall on there, as given the events of "Shattered" and "Asylum", not only did Lex protect Chloe by taking on all of the responsibilities of stopping his father, but throughout his stay in Belle Reve he never even hinted to Lionel that someone else had information, or used Clark's secret to bargain his way out. All of this proved that Lex not only could have been trusted with Clark's secret but would have protected it. A lot of bad things probably wouldn't have happened if Clark had just told him from the get-go.



* TakeThatScrappy: In the fandom, Lana Lang is almost universally loathed. Her constant hypocrisy, passive-aggressive behavior, and manipulation of both Clark, and her own best friend Chloe, caused most viewers to despise the character, to the point where whenever Lana would bumble her way into a dangerous situation with the MonsterOfTheWeek (an almost weekly occurrence), many fans seemed to view it as this trope. But perhaps the biggest TakeThatScrappy was the scene where Lionel Luthor, [[FreakyFridayFlip while trapped in Clark's body]], notices Lana approaching, and rolls his eyes, growling "''This'' one." Doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}. Mind you, Lionel was still the BigBad at that point, so presumably the showrunners were hoping that fans would view Lionel as being obviously wrong, and sympathize with Lana instead. It didn't work, a fact not helped by Lionel being a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].

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* TakeThatScrappy: In the fandom, Lana Lang is almost universally loathed. Her constant hypocrisy, passive-aggressive behavior, and manipulation of both Clark, and her own best friend Chloe, caused most viewers to despise the character, to the point where whenever Lana would bumble her way into a dangerous situation with the MonsterOfTheWeek (an almost weekly occurrence), many fans seemed to view it as this trope. But perhaps the biggest TakeThatScrappy Take That, Scrappy was the scene where Lionel Luthor, [[FreakyFridayFlip while trapped in Clark's body]], notices Lana approaching, and rolls his eyes, growling "''This'' one." Doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}. Mind you, Lionel was still the BigBad at that point, so presumably the showrunners were hoping that fans would view Lionel as being obviously wrong, and sympathize with Lana instead. It didn't work, a fact not helped by Lionel being a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].
31st Aug '17 1:22:09 PM BatmanKalEl
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** While Jimmy’s death was truly a tearjerker moment it is mitigated by the horrible choices Chloe made that led up to it. People will also notice that while Jimmy was still in a coma, out of all the characters, Chloe visited him the least.
* ValuesDissonance:
** Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right.
** A scene where [[spoiler: Clark decides not to have Jor-El restore Chloe's memory of his secret, believing she'd be safer and happier this way,]] is presented as a positive moment in a magazine article about the TV show. The magazine later had to retract this when Chloe fans complained, pointing out that the scene set up an unequal power dynamic in the friendship, and alleged that it demonstrated a severe lack of trust and confidence.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** While Jimmy’s death was truly a tearjerker moment it is mitigated by the horrible choices Chloe made that led up to it. People will also notice that while Jimmy was still in a coma, out of all the characters, Chloe visited him the least.
* ValuesDissonance:
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UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Lana's constant harping about secrets seems to be a big one for fans throughout the show's run. [[CharacterShilling The showrunners try to present Lana as being absolutely right and justified]] in her endless demands that Clark allow her to invade his privacy, but most fans seem to disagree, and found Lana to be overly-nosy and passive-aggressive. It's probably the most prominent example, since the fandom almost unanimously loathed Lana's behavior, while the writers seemed equally convinced that Lana was somehow right.
** A scene where [[spoiler: Clark decides not to have Jor-El restore Chloe's memory of his secret, believing she'd be safer and happier this way,]] is presented as a positive moment in a magazine article about the TV show. The magazine later had to retract this when Chloe fans complained, pointing out that the scene set up an unequal power dynamic in the friendship, and alleged that it demonstrated a severe lack of trust and confidence.
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6th Aug '17 5:42:12 AM jormis29
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** Erica Durance as Lois Lane: She's either best Lois ever, and perfectly captures the [[BunnyEarsLawyer eccentric]], never-say-die career woman and ActionGirl of the comics, who was not only a better love interest but also a better written romantic pair for Clark, or she's Lois InNameOnly: a ditzy, HardDrinkingPartyGirl.

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** Erica Durance Creator/EricaDurance as Lois Lane: She's either best Lois ever, and perfectly captures the [[BunnyEarsLawyer eccentric]], never-say-die career woman and ActionGirl of the comics, who was not only a better love interest but also a better written romantic pair for Clark, or she's Lois InNameOnly: a ditzy, HardDrinkingPartyGirl.



* FanPreferredCouple: The base has pretty much been in a fandom civil war over who Clark should ship with, and it can't really be argued which Clark pairing was the most dominant overall, as the base was ''highly'' fractured over the issue of who to pair Clark with (Lana vs. Chloe vs. Lois vs. Alicia, and even some Clark/Tess supporters). At best, it can be argued which ships may have been dominant at different times in the show's history: In the very ''earliest'' handful of episodes, Clana may have started out with a majority of support back when it was seen as "cute," but as Lana became increasingly unpopular, Chlark (Clark and Chloe) overtook it, and may have been the main fan-preferred ship before Lois's arrival, as she was seen as a foil against the widely-reviled Lana (many fans freely admitted that they were only shipping Chlark as an alternative to the now-unpopular Clana, until Clark met his destined future with Lois, knowing full well that both Clana and Chlark were equally DoomedByCanon). Then once Lois arrived, many fans rallied around her, welcoming her as a harbinger of Clark's destined future as Superman and enjoying her witty lines and Erica Durance's acting (though many ardent Chloe-supporters still stayed with the Chlark ship). It can be argued that Clois had become the majority pairing by the end, partially helped by Lois's continued development and increasing importance in the story, as well as the fact that Chloe got involved in another popular pairing: Chlollie.

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* FanPreferredCouple: The base has pretty much been in a fandom civil war over who Clark should ship with, and it can't really be argued which Clark pairing was the most dominant overall, as the base was ''highly'' fractured over the issue of who to pair Clark with (Lana vs. Chloe vs. Lois vs. Alicia, and even some Clark/Tess supporters). At best, it can be argued which ships may have been dominant at different times in the show's history: In the very ''earliest'' handful of episodes, Clana may have started out with a majority of support back when it was seen as "cute," but as Lana became increasingly unpopular, Chlark (Clark and Chloe) overtook it, and may have been the main fan-preferred ship before Lois's arrival, as she was seen as a foil against the widely-reviled Lana (many fans freely admitted that they were only shipping Chlark as an alternative to the now-unpopular Clana, until Clark met his destined future with Lois, knowing full well that both Clana and Chlark were equally DoomedByCanon). Then once Lois arrived, many fans rallied around her, welcoming her as a harbinger of Clark's destined future as Superman and enjoying her witty lines and Erica Durance's Creator/EricaDurance's acting (though many ardent Chloe-supporters still stayed with the Chlark ship). It can be argued that Clois had become the majority pairing by the end, partially helped by Lois's continued development and increasing importance in the story, as well as the fact that Chloe got involved in another popular pairing: Chlollie.
2nd Aug '17 9:24:54 PM DoctorCooper
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** The writers clearly believe that Lana is the show's true Woobie. [[CreatorsPet They are wrong.]]

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** The writers clearly believe believed that Lana is the show's true Woobie. [[CreatorsPet They are wrong.]]
4th Jul '17 3:48:24 PM valhallaerikson
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* GrowingTheBeard: The show really started to come into its own once the bulk of Clark's adventures center in Metropolis and the Superman mythos have became the focal point of his arc.
9th Apr '17 1:14:05 PM monique.mudie
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** Oliver Queen is introduced right after he had Lex Luthor kidnapped to be experimented on after his possession by Zod his decision to stop it was undercut by the fact that he hired SociopathicSoldier to do it. He’s later seen rescuing the meteor freaks that Lex was experimenting on however since there was no mention of his earlier activities he comes across as just as big a hypocrite as Lex. Finally upon finding out that Linal Luthor killed his parents he tracked down and attempted to kill Lex Luthor [[MisplacedRetribution who had absolutely nothing to do with it]]. When you add the revelation that he used to bully Lex in school and Oliver come across less as a WellIntentionedExtremist and more of SchoolyardBullyAllGrownUp
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