History YMMV / Smallville

3rd Feb '16 10:39:08 AM BatmanKalEl
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The Sue Tropes are Flame Bait now.
* MarySue: Lana Lang. She slots into virtually every Mary Sue category, making her a unique character in television history. [[Series/HappyDays Fonzie]] had a more believable arc than this. ** BlackHoleSue: Yes, even murdering psychopaths think Lana is pretty special. ** CanonSue: Usually seen with top-billed actors with too much clout, or [[WrittenByCastMember actor-creators]] who control every aspect of production -- neither of which can be said of Kreuk. True, barring the supporting adult actors (O'Toole, Schneider, Glover), Kristen Kreuk was the closest thing ''Smallville'' had to a breakout star, but a ''Maxim'' spread and Neutrogena commercial does not a teen idol make. And even if that were the case, most actors would not deliberately self-sabotage their own characters by turning them heel on a dime. ** GodModeSue: It's official thanks to "Requiem". Although her skillset and power had already grown steadily with each season. --->'''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville8-ep10 Douglas Trumble]]''': ''"Honestly. I mean really honestly. All the momentum and excitement building this season just came to a screeching halt. I just felt all the joy sucked from this show the minute Lana showed up on screen... To put her in a position where [[KnowNothingKnowItAll she is the one lecturing an iconic DC superhero about how to be a superhero]] is just insulting. It angered me and my interest in Green Arrow is limited to ''Smallville'' and the last line of ''Justice League'' cartoons. I never purchased a Green Arrow comic in my life but I care enough about the character to find this scene so insulting and aggravating that I just wanted to scream. [[SuckinessIsPainful Actually I did scream]] which caused me to get a dirty look from the wife but she agreed that it was a bad scene. To make it worse she [[TheUnmasking demasked him]] in a kung-fu fight. Come on. Lana Lang vs. Green Arrow and she kicks the tar out of him? Give me a break."'' ** JerkSue: "SECRETS! LIES!" ** PuritySue: She farts sugar. It is the only explanation. ** VillainSue: Taking over the Luthor fortune and bringing both Lex and Lionel(!) to heel. Became a witch/vampire, and flirted with {{Cape Buster|s}} villainy. ** Also, depending on who you ask, Chloe during the middle seasons; some accused the writers of turning her into a PuritySue, and slowing down Clark's development as an investigator in favor of having Chloe provide all the answers instead. The writers themselves apparently became dissatisfied with the status quo of the middle seasons, and in the later seasons made Chloe much DarkerAndEdgier and gave her AntiHero qualities in order to fix the PuritySue problems.
10th Jan '16 6:07:45 PM sayaleviathan
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* InkStainAdaptation: Lana Lang has played a minor role in the many adaptations of Franchise/{{Superman}}, including ''Film/SupermanIII'' and ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', but unfortunately she gets immense hate for her first big appearance in the show, where she is infamous for 8 seasons of non-stop RomanticPlotTumour. After ''Smallville'' ended, she got lesser appearances in other Superman-related adaptations and only got one small cameo in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' as a child. In the ''Comicbook/{{New52}}'', she's regulated back into the UnluckyChildhoodFriend since Superman is now dating Comicbook/WonderWoman

** Blue Beetle. [[ButtMonkey The poor kid just gets shat upon on a near constant basis]].
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** Blue Beetle. [[ButtMonkey The poor kid just gets shat upon on a near constant basis]].
29th Dec '15 3:07:36 PM Anddrix
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** [[MonsterOfTheWeek LX-3]] from the season 10 premiere "[[Recap/SmallvilleS10E01Lazarus Lazarus]]" is a failed clone of SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor who was so [[AxCrazy depraved]] that even the [=LuthorCorp=] staff at Cadmus Labs felt the need to incarcerate him. Accidentally freed by Tess Mercer, LX-3 beats her and handcuffs her in place, tries to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the five year old LX-15]], then grabs a blowtorch and proceeds to [[ManOnFire set fire to the lab, slaughtering all the other clones]] while claiming that "[[ThereCanBeOnlyOne There can only be one Lex Luthor!]]" Making his way to Metropolis, LX-3 wires the ''Daily Planet'' building to explode, planning to crush hundreds of people in the streets below, then journeys to Smallville where he kidnaps Lois Lane, ties her to a stake, and sets the field around her on fire. Confronting Clark, LX-3 gloats that [[SadisticChoice Clark can save the woman he loves, or the citizens of Metropolis but not both]], sneering that Clark's {{pride}} will be the death of him yet. Almost out of time thanks to CloneDegeneration, LX-3 spends his last moments trying to force Clark into violating his [[ThouShaltNotKill moral code by killing him]].
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** [[MonsterOfTheWeek LX-3]] from the season 10 premiere "[[Recap/SmallvilleS10E01Lazarus Lazarus]]" is a failed clone of SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor who was so [[AxCrazy depraved]] that even the [=LuthorCorp=] staff at Cadmus Labs felt the need to incarcerate him. Accidentally freed by Tess Mercer, LX-3 beats her and handcuffs her in place, tries to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the five year old LX-15]], then grabs a blowtorch and proceeds to [[ManOnFire set fire to the lab, slaughtering all the other clones]] while claiming that "[[ThereCanBeOnlyOne There can only be one Lex Luthor!]]" Making his way to Metropolis, LX-3 wires the ''Daily Planet'' building to explode, planning to crush hundreds of people in the streets below, then journeys to Smallville where he kidnaps Lois Lane, ties her to a stake, and sets the field around her on fire. Confronting Clark, LX-3 gloats that [[SadisticChoice Clark can save the woman he loves, or the citizens of Metropolis but not both]], sneering that Clark's {{pride}} will be the death of him yet. Almost out of time thanks to CloneDegeneration, LX-3 spends his last moments trying to force Clark into violating his [[ThouShaltNotKill moral code by killing him]].

** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor has large portions of the fanbase that ship him with everyone from Lana, to Clark, to Chloe, with various one-episode characters, and others.
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** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor has large portions of the fanbase that ship him with everyone from Lana, to Clark, to Chloe, with various one-episode characters, and others.

** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor has several moments of varying severity. It depends on when and how you deem someone irredeemably evil.
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** SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor ComicBook/LexLuthor has several moments of varying severity. It depends on when and how you deem someone irredeemably evil.
14th Dec '15 12:29:56 PM Larkmarn
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Someone deleted the trope there, which was... pretty confusing.
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20th Oct '15 8:25:30 AM ZenBlade
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*** And now there's a ''[[{{Series/Supergirl2015}} Supergirl]]'' show, which is essentially DC's attempt at another Superman show without actually using Superman, since he's tied up with movies.
16th Oct '15 11:19:17 AM Isaac_Heller
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** Chloe and Oliver are sometimes accused of this, particularly from [[DieForOurShip Chlark and Chimmy shippers,]] but by the end most people had been won over.
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** Chloe and Oliver are sometimes accused of this, particularly from [[DieForOurShip Chlark and Chimmy shippers,]] but by and it is one of the end most people had been won over.main reasons both characters have BaseBreaker status.
16th Oct '15 11:12:19 AM Isaac_Heller
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** The Fourth Season shake-up, where the show took a break from the darker stories of Season 3 and had some more lighthearted plots for a while (the show got dark again the following season, however), and also saw the introduction of magic into the show's mythology. Also, the transition from Seasons3 to 4 featured the exit of Pete Ross.
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** The Fourth Season shake-up, where the show took a break from the darker stories of Season 3 and had some more lighthearted plots for a while (the show got dark again the following season, however), and also saw the introduction of magic into the show's mythology. Also, the transition from Seasons3 Seasons 3 to 4 featured the exit of Pete Ross.
16th Sep '15 8:24:58 AM Silverblade2
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you must go on the clean up thread first.
** And of course, Lex was this by the last few seasons. By late Season 7, his charm is now nothing but a facade, and he no longer cares about anything or anyone but himself, no matter what excuses he makes to justify his increasingly disturbing actions. In Season 8, he's manipulating events from behind the seasons, and also goes out his way to prove that EvilIsPetty. In the final season he smugly gives a HannibalLecture and commits his most heinous act since Season 7.
5th Sep '15 1:08:17 PM Morgenthaler
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Memetic Sex God has been cut per TRS. All wicks will be deleted.
** A milder version would be Kal, who is usually not particularly evil but still a real {{Jerkass}} who could easily get violent. [[MemeticSexGod Not much so in fan fiction.]]
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** A milder version would be Kal, who is usually not particularly evil but still a real {{Jerkass}} who could easily get violent. [[MemeticSexGod Not much so in fan fiction.]]
2nd Aug '15 7:26:01 PM odysseus56
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incorrect definition of Seinfeld is Unfunny
** This show takes the HumansAreTheRealMonsters mentality UpToEleven with nearly every episode mentioning how weak and pathetic they are. Even the good guys talk about how horrible humans are. To make matters worse two episodes involved the Kandoreins kidnapping, killing, and performing horrible experiments on people. Yet a human still ended up as the bad guy of the episode. * ArcFatigue: Of the Myth Stall variety. ExecutiveMeddling meant that the writers couldn't just have Clark actually ''become'' Superman until the final episode. On the other hand, without this, there wouldn't be a show to enjoy.
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** This show takes the HumansAreTheRealMonsters mentality UpToEleven with nearly every episode mentioning how weak and pathetic they are. Even the good guys talk about how horrible humans are. To make matters worse two episodes involved the Kandoreins kidnapping, killing, and performing horrible experiments on people. Yet a human still ended up as the bad guy of the episode. * ArcFatigue: Of For some people, of the Myth Stall variety. ExecutiveMeddling meant that the writers couldn't just have Clark actually ''become'' Superman until the final episode. On the other hand, without this, there wouldn't be a show to enjoy.

** This show takes ** And of course, Lex was this by the HumansAreTheRealMonsters mentality UpToEleven with nearly every episode mentioning how weak last few seasons. By late Season 7, his charm is now nothing but a facade, and pathetic they are. Even the good guys talk he no longer cares about how horrible humans are. To make matters worse two episodes involved anything or anyone but himself, no matter what excuses he makes to justify his increasingly disturbing actions. In Season 8, he's manipulating events from behind the Kandoreins kidnapping, killing, seasons, and performing horrible experiments on people. Yet a human still ended up as the bad guy of the episode. * ArcFatigue: Of the Myth Stall variety. ExecutiveMeddling meant also goes out his way to prove that the writers couldn't just have Clark actually ''become'' Superman until EvilIsPetty. In the final episode. On the other hand, without this, there wouldn't be season he smugly gives a show to enjoy.HannibalLecture and commits his most heinous act since Season 7.

** Lois and Tess. Tess herself {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this in several episodes. In one episode where Lois and Tess met, after getting into a fight and [[FetishFuel wrestling each other on a desk]] the previous time they'd met, Tess smirks and notes that "things got a little ''physical''" (and even wiggles her shoulders suggestively while saying this)...and then asks Lois whether she'd like to "pick up where we left off." Lois declines.
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** Lois Tess and Tess.Lois. Tess herself {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this in several episodes. In one episode where Lois and Tess met, after getting into a fight and [[FetishFuel wrestling each other on a desk]] the previous time they'd met, Tess smirks and notes that "things got a little ''physical''" (and even wiggles her shoulders suggestively while saying this)...and then asks Lois whether she'd like to "pick up where we left off." Lois declines.

** Also, depending on who you ask, Chloe during the middle seasons; some accused the writers of turning her into a PuritySue, and FixerSue and slowing down Clark's development as an investigator in favor of having Chloe provide all the answers instead. The writers themselves apparently became dissatisfied with the status quo of the middle seasons, and in the later seasons made Chloe much DarkerAndEdgier and gave her AntiHero qualities in order to fix the PuritySue and FixerSue problems.
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** Also, depending on who you ask, Chloe during the middle seasons; some accused the writers of turning her into a PuritySue, and FixerSue and slowing down Clark's development as an investigator in favor of having Chloe provide all the answers instead. The writers themselves apparently became dissatisfied with the status quo of the middle seasons, and in the later seasons made Chloe much DarkerAndEdgier and gave her AntiHero qualities in order to fix the PuritySue and FixerSue problems.

** In the premiere of "Descent" Lex’s burning his good self might have had more impact without the GOSSIP GIRL logo right under the dramatic moment.
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** In the premiere of "Descent" Lex’s burning his good self might have had more impact without the GOSSIP GIRL logo right under the dramatic moment. Thankfully, this is [[{{BetterOnDVD}} fixed on the DVD]], where show/network logos and ads are mercifully nonexistent.

* RootingForTheEmpire: Due to the sympathetic way Michael Rosenbaum portrayed him a lot of viewers wanted to see Lex Luthor avert DoomedByCanon and redeem himself. However, the increasingly sociopathic things he did like acts of horrifying torture on innocent people and cold-blooded murder (which Lex did, all while blaming Lionel, Clark, Lana, and anyone else he can for his actions, [[{{NeverMyFault}} as if they somehow made him do it]]), made Lex increasingly unsympathetic (which makes sense, since, y'know, that was the intention all along), and instead the focus shifted to how tragic it was that one of Clark's friends turned evil.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Due to the sympathetic way Michael Rosenbaum portrayed him a lot of viewers wanted to see Lex Luthor avert DoomedByCanon and redeem himself. However, the increasingly sociopathic things he did did, like acts of horrifying torture on innocent people and cold-blooded murder (which Lex did, all while blaming Lionel, Clark, Lana, and anyone else he can for his actions, [[{{NeverMyFault}} as if they somehow made him do it]]), made Lex increasingly unsympathetic (which makes sense, since, y'know, that was the intention all along), and instead the focus shifted to how tragic it was that one of Clark's friends turned evil.

* SeinfieldIsUnfunny: The ArcFatigue of not letting Clark be called Superman or wear the iconic costume became a pet peeve to comicbook fans and this took ''ten years'' for him be called as such. Current comicbook shows such as ''Series/{{Arrow}}, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/Daredevil2015'', didn't repeat this and went ahead in showing and upgrading the costumes and having them be called by their superhero names while introducing their comicbook cast and RoguesGallery. The only comicbook show which seemed to follow this rule is ''Series/{{Gotham}}'' since Bruce Wayne is introduced as a kid starting with his parents' murder and it might took years for him to be the Franchise/{{Batman}}.

* UnintentionallySympathetic: Lex Luthor due to the sheer amount of DesignatedVillain, MoralMyopia and InformedWrongness, AndThatsTerrible associated with this character. Throughout the series everything Lex does is always met with accusations of negative motivations. While Lex has done many immoral acts when put in context many of the heroes actions seem highly disproportionate and even outright bizarre. Tess should have known about all of the woman who betrayed Lex yet when she found that he had inserted a “CAMERA” she did everything she possibly could to not only kill Lex but destroy every aspect of him completely. Yet she sees nothing wrong with placing bombs in a bunch of people heads. And there are many instances similar to this that makes Lex come across as a scapegoat. Lois can insult Lex despite just meeting him but he needs to pay when he insults her back (and wasn’t he still technically her boss). Oliver Queen trying to save meteor freaks from being experimented on in the hopes that the audience forgets that Oliver was introduced doing the exact same thing. Lex experimenting on meteor freaks and putting a camera in someone are treated MoralEventHorizon yet Lana and Tess doing the same thing are glossed over. Lex jumped off the slippery slope of his on free will but he was dragged kicking and screaming towards the edge. ** Add to that the fact that Lex was the go to guy anytime something bad happened due to being irredeemably evil according to the heroes. When Oliver found out that LIONEL Luthor killed his parents he attempted to get revenge by killing LEX Luthor despite him being just as much of a victim. Clark even went so far as being disgusted over having to kill the AxCrazy mass murderer to save Lex’s life. The final nail on the coffin however was probably the heroes willing to except Lionel Luthor the reason they weren’t willing to except Lex. ** One of the main reason that Lex is associated with DracoInLeatherPants is that he is the only one who is treated as irredeemably evil even the mass murdering psychopath Ultraman was given a redemption moment. Yet whenever the heroes find good in Lex (such as when Clark met his good side) it is almost instantly ignored in favor of accusing Lex of having ulterior motivation
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Lex Luthor due to Cat Grant in Season 10, while rather over-the-top, still has understandable reasons for not trusting vigilantes who hide in the sheer shadows and exert an enormous amount of DesignatedVillain, MoralMyopia and InformedWrongness, AndThatsTerrible associated with this character. Throughout the series everything Lex does is always met with accusations of negative motivations. While Lex has done many immoral acts when put in context many of the heroes actions seem highly disproportionate and even outright bizarre. Tess should have known about all of the woman who betrayed Lex yet when power. And yet, she found that he had inserted a “CAMERA” she did everything she possibly could to not only kill Lex but destroy every aspect of him completely. Yet she sees nothing wrong with placing bombs in a bunch of people heads. And there are many instances similar to this that makes Lex come across as a scapegoat. Lois can insult Lex despite just meeting him but he needs to pay when he insults her back (and wasn’t he still technically her boss). Oliver Queen trying to save meteor freaks from being experimented on in the hopes that the audience forgets that Oliver was introduced doing the exact same thing. Lex experimenting on meteor freaks and putting a camera in someone are treated MoralEventHorizon yet Lana and Tess doing the same thing are glossed over. Lex jumped off the slippery slope of his on free will but he was dragged kicking and screaming towards the edge. ** Add to that the fact that Lex was the go to guy anytime something bad happened due to being irredeemably evil according to the heroes. When Oliver found out that LIONEL Luthor killed his parents he attempted to get revenge by killing LEX Luthor despite him being just as much of a victim. Clark even went so far as being disgusted over having to kill the AxCrazy mass murderer to save Lex’s life. The final nail on the coffin however was probably the heroes willing to except Lionel Luthor the reason they weren’t willing to except Lex. ** One of the main reason that Lex is associated with DracoInLeatherPants is that he is the only one who is gets treated as irredeemably evil even the mass murdering psychopath Ultraman was given a redemption moment. Yet whenever the heroes find good in Lex (such as when Clark met his good side) it is almost instantly ignored in favor lunatic because of accusing Lex of having ulterior motivation her stance, and gets repeatedly humiliated.

** Two things made Lana Lang this during the baby trap incident the first being that Lana did effectively use Lex for his resources to find out Clark's secret only to immediately try and leave him the moment she got what she wanted. While this in no way absolves Lex for his actions they make them far more understandable (especially given his past relationships with woman who all betrayed him) and less of the MoralEventHorizon it was made out to be. However what truly makes her unsympathetic is the sheer amount of DisproportionateRetribution she took (attempted murder, framing, paranoia fuel, kidnapped and tortured Lionel), combined with trying to invoke NeverMyFault for the WellIntentionedExtremist actions the two took while hypocritically doing the exact same thing. ** Lionel Luthor’s death was supposed to be seen as massive tearjerker as well as showing Lex’s take final step on his path to true evil. However while Lionel was so-called reformed even if his way of doing good leaved a lot to be desired but he did enough in his days to deserve a grizzly end. And even then he remained an antagonistic parent to Lex doing things like offering Jonathan his power and influence in beating Lex, and his go to every time Lex got close to discovering Clark’s secret was that Clark had to kill him. Then there is the fact that the murder wasn’t a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness death. Lionel spent his life manipulating Lex to be the man that he wants him to be only to [[MovingTheGoalposts move the goal post]] when Lex finally started to give him what he wanted and was eventually killed by him when Lex discovered that FailureIsTheOnlyOption. *** There is also the fact that Lionel’s death just added another aspect to his KarmaHoudini status. After his death all of his past actions were blamed on Lex. When Oliver found out that Lionel killed his parents his gut reaction was to track down Lex and kill him for all the pain HE had caused. *** It’s extremely telling that Earth-2 Lionel did the exact same thing however unlike the original he realized this, was generally horrified by it and did everything he could to make amends to the point of selling his soul. ** Tess in the same way as Lana only she has far less justification for her actions. In her own words she is perfectly aware of Lex’s past (specifically the woman in his life) and [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal the extremes he takes so her reaction to finding out that he placed a camera]] seems utterly ridiculous, especially considering she saw nothing wrong with doing the same thing to the Injustice League. Instead of a sympathetic portrayal of her HeelFaceTurn she comes across as an irrational sociopath. Plus there is the finale where Lex cements the fact that he is evil by killing her. Despite the fact that she was going to do the very same thing to him. At the very least she was still going to wipe his mind.
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