History YMMV / Slayer

25th Aug '16 10:09:45 AM Xarvas
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* ReplacementScrappy: Averted with Gary Holt, who is probably one of the ''only'' guitarists who had a shot at being welcomed by the fans as a replacement for Hanneman; it probably helps that he manages to capture the essence of Hanneman's playing style while putting his own, equally distinctive stamp on it. Played straight with Paul Bostaph, who wasn't particularly well-liked the first time around and still isn't held in particularly high regard even in his second time around.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Averted with Gary Holt, who is probably one of the ''only'' guitarists who had a shot at being welcomed by the fans as a replacement for Hanneman; it probably helps that he manages to capture the essence of Hanneman's playing style while putting his own, equally distinctive stamp on it. it.
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Played straight with Paul Bostaph, who wasn't particularly well-liked the first time around and still isn't held in particularly high regard even in his second time around.around. He is not a bad drummer ''per se'', he's just unlucky enough to replace one of the most talented people to ever sit behind a drumset.
24th Aug '16 4:43:52 PM Jaredwarrensince1991
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* LastNoteNightmare: KILL AGAIN!!

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* LastNoteNightmare: [[https://youtu.be/MYE-uJYCbGk KILL AGAIN!!AGAIN!!!!]]
24th Aug '16 4:40:31 PM Jaredwarrensince1991
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* LastNoteNightmare: KILL AGAIN!!
15th Aug '16 10:10:27 PM gewunomox
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* AwesomeMusic: Most of the band's output up to and including ''Seasons in the Abyss'', at the very least. The music after that gets a bit more... controversial, although ''Divine Intervention'' and ''Undisputed Attitude'' at least are still generally regarded as worthwhile.

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Most of the band's output up to and including ''Seasons in the Abyss'', at the very least. The music after that gets a bit more... controversial, Controversial, although ''Divine Intervention'' and ''Undisputed Attitude'' at least are still generally regarded as worthwhile.



** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus in musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than ''Diabolus'' (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots, but songs like "Playing with Dolls" still remain a serious point of contention among the fanbase.
* DorkAge: The Paul Bostaph period is seen as this by some. ''Diabolus in musica'', in particular, takes a lot of heat for its obvious nu-metal influence.
* EpicRiff: "Raining Blood"

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** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus in musica'' Musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than ''Diabolus'' (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots, but songs like "Playing with Dolls" still remain a serious point of contention among the fanbase.
* DorkAge: The Paul Bostaph period is seen as this by some. ''Diabolus in musica'', Musica'', in particular, takes a lot of heat for its obvious nu-metal influence.
* EpicRiff: "Raining Blood"Blood".



* MemeticMutation: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9R3_cS6jsk HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!(?)]]
** VIVA CHILE MIERDA!! (go watch the Big Four DVD/blu-ray if you don't get it. Besides, you probably need to be Chilean in order to really get all Memetic about it)

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* MemeticMutation: [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9R3_cS6jsk HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!(?)]]
** VIVA CHILE MIERDA!! (go (Go watch the Big Four DVD/blu-ray DVD / blu-ray if you don't get it. Besides, you probably need to be Chilean in order to really get all Memetic about it) it).



** On a musical level, the NuMetal-influenced ''Diabolus in musica'' and ''God Hates Us All'' will never be forgiven by some fans. Even King isn't a fan of ''Diabolus''.
* ReplacementScrappy: Averted with Gary Holt, who is probably one of the ''only'' guitarists who had a shot at being welcomed by the fans as a replacement for Hanneman; it probably helps that he manages to capture the essence of Hanneman's playing style while putting his own, equally-distinctive stamp on it. Played straight with Paul Bostaph, who wasn't particularly well-liked the first time around and still isn't held in particularly high regard even in his second time around.

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** On a musical level, the NuMetal-influenced ''Diabolus in musica'' Musica'' and ''God Hates Us All'' will never be forgiven by some fans. Even King isn't a fan of ''Diabolus''.
* ReplacementScrappy: Averted with Gary Holt, who is probably one of the ''only'' guitarists who had a shot at being welcomed by the fans as a replacement for Hanneman; it probably helps that he manages to capture the essence of Hanneman's playing style while putting his own, equally-distinctive equally distinctive stamp on it. Played straight with Paul Bostaph, who wasn't particularly well-liked the first time around and still isn't held in particularly high regard even in his second time around.



* WereStillRelevantDammit: This trope was one of the main criticisms people had with ''God Hates Us All''. The album contained quite a few [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F-Bombs]] (which were, until then, a rarity in Slayer's music), similarly forced screaming in parts, and the same NuMetal influence that permeated their prior album. Not to mention a pointless picture in the album booklet of a Bible with nails and the band name burned into it, which was clearly done for no reason other than to prove that they could still be "edgy" in the age of more extreme bands like Music/{{Mayhem}} and Music/{{Nile}}.

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* WereStillRelevantDammit: This trope was one of the main criticisms people had with ''God Hates Us All''. The album contained quite a few [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F-Bombs]] (which were, until then, a rarity in Slayer's music), similarly forced screaming in parts, and the same NuMetal influence that permeated their prior album. Not to mention a pointless picture in the album booklet of a Bible with nails and the band name burned into it, which was clearly done for no reason other than to prove that they could still be "edgy" in the age of more extreme bands like Music/{{Mayhem}} and Music/{{Nile}}.Music/{{Nile}}.
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9th May '16 11:28:16 PM CassandraLeo
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** The fast, thrashing riffs of ''Reign in Blood'' or the slower, heavier songs of ''South of Heaven''? ''Reign In Blood'' is either the band's best album or their JumpingTheShark moment depending on who you ask, with a VocalMinority of the fans preferring the EpicRocking style of ''Hell Awaits''.
** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus In Musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than Diabolus (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots, but songs like "Playing with Dolls" still remain a serious point of contention among the fanbase.
* DorkAge: The Paul Bostaph period is seen as this by some. ''Diabolus In Musica'', in particular, takes a lot of heat for its obvious nu-metal influence.

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** The fast, thrashing riffs of ''Reign in Blood'' or the slower, heavier songs of ''South of Heaven''? ''Reign In in Blood'' is either the band's best album or their JumpingTheShark moment depending on who you ask, with a VocalMinority of the fans preferring the EpicRocking style of ''Hell Awaits''.
** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus In Musica'' in musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than Diabolus ''Diabolus'' (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots, but songs like "Playing with Dolls" still remain a serious point of contention among the fanbase.
* DorkAge: The Paul Bostaph period is seen as this by some. ''Diabolus In Musica'', in musica'', in particular, takes a lot of heat for its obvious nu-metal influence.



** On a musical level, the NuMetal-influenced ''Diabolus in Musica'' and ''God Hates Us All'' will never be forgiven by some fans. Even King isn't a fan of ''Diabolus''.

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** On a musical level, the NuMetal-influenced ''Diabolus in Musica'' musica'' and ''God Hates Us All'' will never be forgiven by some fans. Even King isn't a fan of ''Diabolus''.



* WereStillRelevantDammit: This trope was one of the main criticisms people had with ''God Hates Us All''. The album contained quite a few [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] (which were, until then, a rarity in Slayer's music), similarly forced screaming in parts, and the same NuMetal influence that permeated their prior album. Not to mention a pointless picture in the album booklet of a Bible with nails and the band name burned into it, which was clearly done for no reason other than to prove that they could still be "edgy" in the age of more extreme bands like Music/{{Mayhem}} and Music/{{Nile}}.

to:

* WereStillRelevantDammit: This trope was one of the main criticisms people had with ''God Hates Us All''. The album contained quite a few [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] F-Bombs]] (which were, until then, a rarity in Slayer's music), similarly forced screaming in parts, and the same NuMetal influence that permeated their prior album. Not to mention a pointless picture in the album booklet of a Bible with nails and the band name burned into it, which was clearly done for no reason other than to prove that they could still be "edgy" in the age of more extreme bands like Music/{{Mayhem}} and Music/{{Nile}}.
7th Feb '16 6:20:31 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: Generally considered to be ''Reign in Blood'', although opinions vary and some consider it their JumpingTheShark moment. ''Hell Awaits'' and ''South of Heaven'' are also quite well regarded; there is a small but vocal minority that considers ''Hell Awaits'' to be the band's finest work and another one that says the same about ''Show No Mercy''.
** Some fans consider ''Seasons In The Abyss'' to be Slayer's best album.
25th Sep '15 6:59:12 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* TheScrappy: Kerry King has become this in recent years due to his actions following Hanneman's death, and his generally loudmouthed nature and tendency to make short-sighted and inflammatory comments has not engendered any popularity with dedicated fans either. The circumstances surrounding ''Repentless'' (namely his refusal to let Gary Holt write anything and justifying this by alleging that the fans weren't ready to see Holt become an active writer despite plenty of fans calling for him to let Holt do just that) have ''not'' made things any better.

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* TheScrappy: Kerry King has become this in recent years due to his actions following Hanneman's death, and his generally loudmouthed nature and tendency to make short-sighted and inflammatory comments has not engendered any popularity with dedicated fans either. The circumstances surrounding ''Repentless'' (namely his refusal to let Gary Holt write anything and justifying this by alleging claiming that the fans weren't ready to see Holt become an active writer despite plenty of fans calling for him to let Holt do just that) have ''not'' made things any better.
25th Sep '15 6:55:21 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* TheScrappy: Kerry King has become this in recent years due to his actions following Hanneman's death, and his generally loudmouthed nature and tendency to make short-sighted and inflammatory comments has not engendered any popularity with dedicated fans either. The circumstances surrounding ''Repentless'' (namely his refusal to let Gary Holt write anything and justifying this by alleging that the fans weren't ready to see Holt become an active writer despite plenty of fans calling for him to let Holt do just that) have ''not'' made things any better.
19th Jul '15 4:12:46 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus In Musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than Diabolus (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots.

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** And then, there are those who feel the band jumped the shark when Paul Bostaph was hired as their drummer and, particularly, when 1998's NuMetal influenced ''Diabolus In Musica'' was released. ''God Hates Us All'' is similarly polarizing, with many going as far as to say that the album was even worse than Diabolus (although it did give the band their first ever Grammy nomination with "Disciple"). Fortunately, 2006's ''Christ Illusion'' and 2009's ''World Painted Blood'' mostly rectified this by shedding the NuMetal influences and returning to the band's thrash metal roots.roots, but songs like "Playing with Dolls" still remain a serious point of contention among the fanbase.



* MagnumOpus: Generally considered to be ''Reign in Blood'', although opinions vary and some consider it their JumpingTheShark moment. ''Hell Awaits'' and ''South of Heaven'' are also quite well regarded; there is a small but vocal minority that considers ''Hell Awaits'' to be the band's finest work.

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* MagnumOpus: Generally considered to be ''Reign in Blood'', although opinions vary and some consider it their JumpingTheShark moment. ''Hell Awaits'' and ''South of Heaven'' are also quite well regarded; there is a small but vocal minority that considers ''Hell Awaits'' to be the band's finest work.work and another one that says the same about ''Show No Mercy''.


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* ReplacementScrappy: Averted with Gary Holt, who is probably one of the ''only'' guitarists who had a shot at being welcomed by the fans as a replacement for Hanneman; it probably helps that he manages to capture the essence of Hanneman's playing style while putting his own, equally-distinctive stamp on it. Played straight with Paul Bostaph, who wasn't particularly well-liked the first time around and still isn't held in particularly high regard even in his second time around.
7th Jan '15 11:10:37 AM Alucard
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* SeasonalRot: This has been levied at them. Fandom opinion is split about ''Divine Intervention'', but ''Diabolus in Musica'' and ''God Hates Us All'' are near-universally despised; lastly, while most fans don't hate ''Christ Illusion'' and ''World Painted Blood'', they also don't tend to be overly fond of them and view them as disappointing and unremarkable.
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