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** Bear. At the beginning of Season 1, he is about to become a father. Flash forward a few years and we learn that his daughter Sarah died when she was only a few months old, and he and his wife are having difficulty conceiving another child. [[spoiler:And to make things even worse for him, Bear's wife leaves him at the end of Season 1. Then she gets shot by Chloe and dies at the end of Season 2 right when he has decided to try and make up with her]].

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** Bear. At the beginning of Season 1, he is about to become a father. Flash forward a few years and we learn that his daughter Sarah died when she was only a few months old, and he and his wife are having difficulty conceiving another child. [[spoiler:And to make things even worse for him, Bear's wife leaves him at the end of Season 1. Then she gets shot by Chloe and dies at the end of Season 2 right when he has decided to try and make up with her]].her.]]



* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama up to eleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

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* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency [[QuestionableCasting as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama up to eleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Joe "Bear" Graves is now [[VideoGame/CallOfDutyModernWarfare2019 John Price]]
* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama up to eleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Joe "Bear" Graves is now [[VideoGame/CallOfDutyModernWarfare2019 John Price]]
Price]].
* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama up to eleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.axed.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Nasry's sub-plot of using ordinary teenage girls to assassinate Seal Team Six operators didn't get resolved since History decided to end the show after season 2.
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Up to Eleven is now defunct


* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama UpToEleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

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* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama UpToEleven, up to eleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.
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Misuse; that's not what Fair For Its Day means


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* FairForItsDay: WordOfGod said that homosexuality is illegal in Hyrule, resulting in Link's BileFascination with it.
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* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama UpToEleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

!!Theatre:
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Does Katherine Howard put up a front of being a strategic seductress to suppress the trauma of a lifetime of sexual abuse?
*** The entire situation with Thomas Culpeper described by Howard can be interpreted in several ways. For how she describes him compared to Mannox and Frances ("so sincere", "so sweet"), does Katherine only consider him to be a close friend, or did she have feelings for him? Is the line "just mates, no chemistry" a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial--and if so, is she saying it because she's married to a king who already killed one of his wives for cheating, or because she doesn't know how to handle actually being in love? Is "we hang out loads when the king's away" meant to be taken as innocent time between two friends, or an affair? And what, exactly, did Thomas do that was Katherine's DespairEventHorizon? Did he rape her, or did she realize he was only using her, either for sex or political intrigue?
** For that matter, does Anne Boleyn put up a front of being a carefree ditz to suppress trauma from her own abuse? Note that in live performances she actually cuts off the song to legitimately panic about her impending beheading, before quickly backpedalling with a joke about fellatio, including pretending that the microphone is a phallus (amusingly, while most of Anne's actresses very briefly make the motion, Andrea Macaset goes all in with exaggerated facial expressions and gets one of the biggest laughs).
---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoubleEntendre head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]] ''[briefly mimes fellatio]'' 5-6-7-8! Sorry not sorry 'bout what I said...
** How much of Jane Seymour's steadfastness is genuine love for Henry, and how much of it is the "fawn" response of a trauma victim? She admits that she isn't "full of fire" like Aragon and Boleyn and couldn't stand up to Henry. Saying that she wouldn't leave him no matter his flaws or tempers (not that she had any other option) smacks of coping with DomesticAbuse.
** In one of the orginal English reditions, Jane admits Howard had it bad but it's that not the most heartbreaking song they've heard. Is she telling her that's she's not special (which she does do in West End version) or is she calmly telling her that while she's sympathetic to Howard's sitaution, she still shouldn't get a big head about it?
*** Also in the same show, Anne quickly reminds people she got beheaded and manipluated by men as well. Was she reminding people due to the fact hers was seen as bigger beheading and was also reminding Howard she wasn't special in that regard (also done more obviously in the West End version) or was she saying this in an poorly timed attempt at dark humor to lighten the mood again? She does also sound very uncomfortable when she says this too.
*** When Catherine of Aragon shouts at Anne after she say that, is she saying that to simply discount what she's saying or is it EveryoneHasStandards and she's reminding Anne that she had less brutal cirumstances in those regards in her final days compared to Howard?
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The entirety of "Haus of Holbein." It's not centred around a particular Queen, rather it's a description of the process of Henry finding Anna of Cleves. It's also filled with GratuitousGerman. While it's referenced again in the musical, its only real purpose seems to be to highlight the double standards for [[HotGuyUglyWife women's appearances.]]
* CrossesTheLineTwice:
** The MiseryPoker nature of the musical runs on it, coming to a head when they begin competing over who had the most miscarriages.
** Anne Boleyn follows up her justified panic about being beheaded with a blowjob joke about how much Henry must like her "head."
* {{Fanon}}: Giving the Six Queen's children's a spin off musical.
** All the Queen's loving Howard due to her Woobie status and the other queens not really liking eachother outside of Jane respecting Catherine of Aragon (Aragon and Boleyn didn't like eachother, Anne didn't like Jane, and Cleves didn't like Parr).
* FanonDiscontinutity: Jane's harsh comments towards Howard (though in context, it's very likely she didn't mean it) in West End version is mostly removed from fan rewrites, so Jane can have a maternal relationship with her. Even if it is kept in, it's replaced with the much more sympathetic sounding line from the orginal English redition.
* FanPreferredCouple: Anne of Cleves is often shipped with Katherine Howard for a variety of reasons -- they actually knew each other in real life (and by most accounts got along), and their original actresses are dating. A lot of Katherine's fans (i.e., nearly everyone in the fandom) are also in favour of it because "[[TheWoobie Katherine]] deserves to be happy!" As a nice little bonus, Anne of Cleves never remarried after her divorce. Heck, even the writers of the show originally wanted to have them get together!
* GeniusBonus:
** During the third verse of "No Way" Catherine goes down on her knees and challenges Henry to name ''one'' thing she had done to cause him pain. She really did do this in real life, during the Legantine Court that was discussing Henry's request for an annulment -- and just like the show, the real Henry couldn't answer her.
** Katherine Howard mentions Thomas Cromwell - he was the chief minister responsible for engineering the annulment of Catherine of Aragon and Henry VIII's marriage, and was beheaded because his attempt to make a Queen out of Anne of Cleves didn't go so well. Katherine was the next queen after Anne.
** In "Get Down" Anne of Cleves brings up the old story that Henry claimed he had been tricked and she looked nothing like the picture that Holbein had painted. She snarkily says she doesn't agree, and indeed contemporary Tudor sources (admittedly written ''after'' Henry's death) claimed she was actually quite attractive.
** Anna also says she's going to hang up her portrait for everyone to see. Hans Holbein's portrait of her is currently hanging in the Louvre museum in Paris.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Anna's "guys, I have the plague" joke has unfortunately become a lot less funny with the show's original Broadway opening date of March 12 becoming the start date of Broadway's [=COVID-19=] shutdown.
** WordOfGod lists Music/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for Howard. Since 2019, with the increased scrutiny of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, particularly with her conservatorship, the parallels between Howard and her inspiration go even further than originally written.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Catherine of Aragon talks about moving to a nunnery, how she wouldn't look good in a wimple, and her happy ending in "Six" was joining a convent and their gospel choir. Adrianne Hicks, her actress in the Chicago production, understudied Delores for the German-language production of ''Film/SisterAct''.
* HollywoodHomely: In the grand tradition of Tudor-focused media, the actresses playing the allegedly-ugly Anne of Cleves have all been lovely. The show makes no effort to pretend otherwise, and a couple lines in "Get Down" are devoted to snarking at this. (Of course, Henry was probably looking for an excuse to divorce her, and a couple of his contemporaries said that Anne was actually quite pretty, so it ''might'' be justified.) The line “You said that I tricked you ‘cuz I didn’t look like my profile picture. Too bad I don’t agree — so I’m gonna hang it up for everyone to see, and you can’t stop me,” might be imply that the portrait was more accurate than Henry claimed and that Anne of Cleves is aware of and proving that.
** There are serious reasons to believe the portrait was actually accurate. Hans Holbein was known for his precision when it came to his portraits, since he didn't flatter his subjects in them[[note]] Close your eyes and picture the historical Henry VIII -- chances are you're thinking of the very realistic portrait(s) Holbein painted of him. The picture on the UsefulNotes/HenryVIII is a crop of a Holbein portrait. Some of Holbein's portraiture looks almost photographically realistic.[[/note]] , which makes Henry's claims that he was tricked by the portrait very flimsy - especially that there is ''absolutely no record'' that Henry blamed Holbein for giving an inaccurate portrait, and knowing Henry, one would think something would have happened to Holbein if it was the case...
* LesYay: Anne of Cleves is a fountain of this. In "Get Down" alone, she refers to the queens as her "bitches", calls an audience member "gorgeous/handsome/pretty", and asks another audience member to get up and dance with her.
* MemeticBadass: Everyone agrees that Anne of Cleves is ''very'' awesome, since of the six wives, she definitely came out on top; she died wealthy, happy, and with no one to boss her around. Not bad for someone whose historical reputation is "the ugly one."
* MemeticMutation: The "Haus of Holbein" verse about corsets and poisonous makeup became a trend on Tik Tok, with users lip syncing to the lyrics as they squeeze their waists into corsets.
* MisaimedFandom: Many people on Tik Tok use the song "All You Wanna Do" as background music for videos where they show off their boyfriends or girlfriends, not realizing it's a song about a teenager being sexually abused. In particular, the verse introducing Henry VIII is used to brag about how much of an improvement their new beau is compared to their ex, with the [[{{Beat}} long pause]] after “Supreme Head of the Church of England” being taken as an emphasis on how impressive it is— in the actual context of the song, though, that pause and mention of his status is actually because unlike her other lovers/abusers, ''Katherine can’t think of a physical compliment for Henry''.
* NarmCharm: ''"Don't Lose UR Head"'' is full of silly lyrics like "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby". Still, it is one catchy song, and it works to emphasize her childish nature.
* NightmareFuel: Towards the end of "All You Wanna Do" when it's implied that Thomas Culpepper sexually assaults Katherine Howard, during the last repeat of the chorus she flinches and cringes when the other queens touch her as part of the choreography and screams "When will ''enough'' be '''enough,''' see???" She starts crying as the other queens sing "playtime's over" and as the song finishes, the kiss and gasp she makes is clearly the last moment of her life before she's beheaded -- and she's left in the dark, staring upwards, sobbing.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Might be downplayed when you remember they were faking the competition. However, tons of fans were not happy about the queens' (mostly Anne) rudeness towards [[TheWoobie Howard]] and [[NiceGirl Parr]]. This is even worst for Howard as compared to the orginal English version where it's implied they feel sympathetic but are simply saving face, in [[TookALevelInJerkass West End's redition]] has [[OutOfCharacterMoment Jane irrationally brings up Edward never seeing her again and that nobody cared when she dies]] and Anne also harshly states that Howard's life was bland and uneventful and that her beheading meant something.
** Anne's treatment of Jane also isn't particularly liked.
* ShipMates: While there is some variation when it comes to shipping, most fans simply ship [[FanPreferredCouple Howard/Cleves]], [[PitbullDatesPuppy Aragon/Seymour]], and [[PairTheSpares Boleyn/Parr]].
* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Compared to the FanPreferredCouple of Howard/Cleves and the less so but still pretty popular Aragon/Seymour, Parr and Boleyn are given the PairtheSpares treatment. They are typically depicted as UptightLovesWild kind of couple in fanworks.
* {{Squick}}:
** Katherine Howard was only thirteen when she allegedly lost her virginity to Henry Mannox.
** The methods of beauty described in the song "Haus of Holbein." Special mention of using ''urine'' to bleach hair.
* WeAreStillRelevantDammit: Anne Boleyn's song, "Don't Lose UR Head", is full of modern internet phrases, such as "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby", giving the impression that she tries too hard to make the younger audience relate to her. That said, it's one of the most popular songs in the show, and the phrases somehow work.
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment:
** While the costumes for each of the queens are intentionally stylized, some parts of the fandom consider them to be a bit unflattering, thinking that the hairstyles are great but anything below the neck looks too sexualized. While that opinion isn't universal, there's plenty of fanwork which dresses the Six in more sensible, stylized versions of their historical garments while keeping the hairstyles intact.
** Some fans were [[BrokenBase not happy]] about additional peplums being added to the costumes of the Broadway production.
** Even more fans were more unhappy that the unique alternate costumes for the understudies were, alternatively, ''not'' going to be a part of the Broadway production.
* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons (barring maybe Anna of Cleves), Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person (and possibly even being raped by him), you just wanna give her a hug.

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* SecondSeasonDownfall: Viewer reaction to Season 2 was much more negative compared to the first and it definitely showed in the ratings, where S2 lost almost exactly half its viewership. A number of commonly cited factors are killing off Rip and relegating him to a freaking ''SpiritAdvisor'' of all things to a shell-shocked Bear, the casting of Creator/OliviaMunn [[WTHCastingAgency as a hardened CIA interrogator]] who is presented as [[CharacterShilling the one everyone should listen to because she knows what she's doing]], the ramping up of the [=SEALs'=] family drama UpToEleven, and introducing new teammates who are just plain unlikeable [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]] like Trevor and Chase. All in all, it is no surprise the show got axed.

!!Theatre:
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Does Katherine Howard put up a front of being a strategic seductress to suppress the trauma of a lifetime of sexual abuse?
*** The entire situation with Thomas Culpeper described by Howard can be interpreted in several ways. For how she describes him compared to Mannox and Frances ("so sincere", "so sweet"), does Katherine only consider him to be a close friend, or did she have feelings for him? Is the line "just mates, no chemistry" a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial--and if so, is she saying it because she's married to a king who already killed one of his wives for cheating, or because she doesn't know how to handle actually being in love? Is "we hang out loads when the king's away" meant to be taken as innocent time between two friends, or an affair? And what, exactly, did Thomas do that was Katherine's DespairEventHorizon? Did he rape her, or did she realize he was only using her, either for sex or political intrigue?
** For that matter, does Anne Boleyn put up a front of being a carefree ditz to suppress trauma from her own abuse? Note that in live performances she actually cuts off the song to legitimately panic about her impending beheading, before quickly backpedalling with a joke about fellatio, including pretending that the microphone is a phallus (amusingly, while most of Anne's actresses very briefly make the motion, Andrea Macaset goes all in with exaggerated facial expressions and gets one of the biggest laughs).
---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoubleEntendre head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]] ''[briefly mimes fellatio]'' 5-6-7-8! Sorry not sorry 'bout what I said...
** How much of Jane Seymour's steadfastness is genuine love for Henry, and how much of it is the "fawn" response of a trauma victim? She admits that she isn't "full of fire" like Aragon and Boleyn and couldn't stand up to Henry. Saying that she wouldn't leave him no matter his flaws or tempers (not that she had any other option) smacks of coping with DomesticAbuse.
** In one of the orginal English reditions, Jane admits Howard had it bad but it's that not the most heartbreaking song they've heard. Is she telling her that's she's not special (which she does do in West End version) or is she calmly telling her that while she's sympathetic to Howard's sitaution, she still shouldn't get a big head about it?
*** Also in the same show, Anne quickly reminds people she got beheaded and manipluated by men as well. Was she reminding people due to the fact hers was seen as bigger beheading and was also reminding Howard she wasn't special in that regard (also done more obviously in the West End version) or was she saying this in an poorly timed attempt at dark humor to lighten the mood again? She does also sound very uncomfortable when she says this too.
*** When Catherine of Aragon shouts at Anne after she say that, is she saying that to simply discount what she's saying or is it EveryoneHasStandards and she's reminding Anne that she had less brutal cirumstances in those regards in her final days compared to Howard?
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The entirety of "Haus of Holbein." It's not centred around a particular Queen, rather it's a description of the process of Henry finding Anna of Cleves. It's also filled with GratuitousGerman. While it's referenced again in the musical, its only real purpose seems to be to highlight the double standards for [[HotGuyUglyWife women's appearances.]]
* CrossesTheLineTwice:
** The MiseryPoker nature of the musical runs on it, coming to a head when they begin competing over who had the most miscarriages.
** Anne Boleyn follows up her justified panic about being beheaded with a blowjob joke about how much Henry must like her "head."
* {{Fanon}}: Giving the Six Queen's children's a spin off musical.
** All the Queen's loving Howard due to her Woobie status and the other queens not really liking eachother outside of Jane respecting Catherine of Aragon (Aragon and Boleyn didn't like eachother, Anne didn't like Jane, and Cleves didn't like Parr).
* FanonDiscontinutity: Jane's harsh comments towards Howard (though in context, it's very likely she didn't mean it) in West End version is mostly removed from fan rewrites, so Jane can have a maternal relationship with her. Even if it is kept in, it's replaced with the much more sympathetic sounding line from the orginal English redition.
* FanPreferredCouple: Anne of Cleves is often shipped with Katherine Howard for a variety of reasons -- they actually knew each other in real life (and by most accounts got along), and their original actresses are dating. A lot of Katherine's fans (i.e., nearly everyone in the fandom) are also in favour of it because "[[TheWoobie Katherine]] deserves to be happy!" As a nice little bonus, Anne of Cleves never remarried after her divorce. Heck, even the writers of the show originally wanted to have them get together!
* GeniusBonus:
** During the third verse of "No Way" Catherine goes down on her knees and challenges Henry to name ''one'' thing she had done to cause him pain. She really did do this in real life, during the Legantine Court that was discussing Henry's request for an annulment -- and just like the show, the real Henry couldn't answer her.
** Katherine Howard mentions Thomas Cromwell - he was the chief minister responsible for engineering the annulment of Catherine of Aragon and Henry VIII's marriage, and was beheaded because his attempt to make a Queen out of Anne of Cleves didn't go so well. Katherine was the next queen after Anne.
** In "Get Down" Anne of Cleves brings up the old story that Henry claimed he had been tricked and she looked nothing like the picture that Holbein had painted. She snarkily says she doesn't agree, and indeed contemporary Tudor sources (admittedly written ''after'' Henry's death) claimed she was actually quite attractive.
** Anna also says she's going to hang up her portrait for everyone to see. Hans Holbein's portrait of her is currently hanging in the Louvre museum in Paris.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Anna's "guys, I have the plague" joke has unfortunately become a lot less funny with the show's original Broadway opening date of March 12 becoming the start date of Broadway's [=COVID-19=] shutdown.
** WordOfGod lists Music/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for Howard. Since 2019, with the increased scrutiny of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, particularly with her conservatorship, the parallels between Howard and her inspiration go even further than originally written.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** Catherine of Aragon talks about moving to a nunnery, how she wouldn't look good in a wimple, and her happy ending in "Six" was joining a convent and their gospel choir. Adrianne Hicks, her actress in the Chicago production, understudied Delores for the German-language production of ''Film/SisterAct''.
* HollywoodHomely: In the grand tradition of Tudor-focused media, the actresses playing the allegedly-ugly Anne of Cleves have all been lovely. The show makes no effort to pretend otherwise, and a couple lines in "Get Down" are devoted to snarking at this. (Of course, Henry was probably looking for an excuse to divorce her, and a couple of his contemporaries said that Anne was actually quite pretty, so it ''might'' be justified.) The line “You said that I tricked you ‘cuz I didn’t look like my profile picture. Too bad I don’t agree — so I’m gonna hang it up for everyone to see, and you can’t stop me,” might be imply that the portrait was more accurate than Henry claimed and that Anne of Cleves is aware of and proving that.
** There are serious reasons to believe the portrait was actually accurate. Hans Holbein was known for his precision when it came to his portraits, since he didn't flatter his subjects in them[[note]] Close your eyes and picture the historical Henry VIII -- chances are you're thinking of the very realistic portrait(s) Holbein painted of him. The picture on the UsefulNotes/HenryVIII is a crop of a Holbein portrait. Some of Holbein's portraiture looks almost photographically realistic.[[/note]] , which makes Henry's claims that he was tricked by the portrait very flimsy - especially that there is ''absolutely no record'' that Henry blamed Holbein for giving an inaccurate portrait, and knowing Henry, one would think something would have happened to Holbein if it was the case...
* LesYay: Anne of Cleves is a fountain of this. In "Get Down" alone, she refers to the queens as her "bitches", calls an audience member "gorgeous/handsome/pretty", and asks another audience member to get up and dance with her.
* MemeticBadass: Everyone agrees that Anne of Cleves is ''very'' awesome, since of the six wives, she definitely came out on top; she died wealthy, happy, and with no one to boss her around. Not bad for someone whose historical reputation is "the ugly one."
* MemeticMutation: The "Haus of Holbein" verse about corsets and poisonous makeup became a trend on Tik Tok, with users lip syncing to the lyrics as they squeeze their waists into corsets.
* MisaimedFandom: Many people on Tik Tok use the song "All You Wanna Do" as background music for videos where they show off their boyfriends or girlfriends, not realizing it's a song about a teenager being sexually abused. In particular, the verse introducing Henry VIII is used to brag about how much of an improvement their new beau is compared to their ex, with the [[{{Beat}} long pause]] after “Supreme Head of the Church of England” being taken as an emphasis on how impressive it is— in the actual context of the song, though, that pause and mention of his status is actually because unlike her other lovers/abusers, ''Katherine can’t think of a physical compliment for Henry''.
* NarmCharm: ''"Don't Lose UR Head"'' is full of silly lyrics like "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby". Still, it is one catchy song, and it works to emphasize her childish nature.
* NightmareFuel: Towards the end of "All You Wanna Do" when it's implied that Thomas Culpepper sexually assaults Katherine Howard, during the last repeat of the chorus she flinches and cringes when the other queens touch her as part of the choreography and screams "When will ''enough'' be '''enough,''' see???" She starts crying as the other queens sing "playtime's over" and as the song finishes, the kiss and gasp she makes is clearly the last moment of her life before she's beheaded -- and she's left in the dark, staring upwards, sobbing.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Might be downplayed when you remember they were faking the competition. However, tons of fans were not happy about the queens' (mostly Anne) rudeness towards [[TheWoobie Howard]] and [[NiceGirl Parr]]. This is even worst for Howard as compared to the orginal English version where it's implied they feel sympathetic but are simply saving face, in [[TookALevelInJerkass West End's redition]] has [[OutOfCharacterMoment Jane irrationally brings up Edward never seeing her again and that nobody cared when she dies]] and Anne also harshly states that Howard's life was bland and uneventful and that her beheading meant something.
** Anne's treatment of Jane also isn't particularly liked.
* ShipMates: While there is some variation when it comes to shipping, most fans simply ship [[FanPreferredCouple Howard/Cleves]], [[PitbullDatesPuppy Aragon/Seymour]], and [[PairTheSpares Boleyn/Parr]].
* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Compared to the FanPreferredCouple of Howard/Cleves and the less so but still pretty popular Aragon/Seymour, Parr and Boleyn are given the PairtheSpares treatment. They are typically depicted as UptightLovesWild kind of couple in fanworks.
* {{Squick}}:
** Katherine Howard was only thirteen when she allegedly lost her virginity to Henry Mannox.
** The methods of beauty described in the song "Haus of Holbein." Special mention of using ''urine'' to bleach hair.
* WeAreStillRelevantDammit: Anne Boleyn's song, "Don't Lose UR Head", is full of modern internet phrases, such as "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby", giving the impression that she tries too hard to make the younger audience relate to her. That said, it's one of the most popular songs in the show, and the phrases somehow work.
* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment:
** While the costumes for each of the queens are intentionally stylized, some parts of the fandom consider them to be a bit unflattering, thinking that the hairstyles are great but anything below the neck looks too sexualized. While that opinion isn't universal, there's plenty of fanwork which dresses the Six in more sensible, stylized versions of their historical garments while keeping the hairstyles intact.
** Some fans were [[BrokenBase not happy]] about additional peplums being added to the costumes of the Broadway production.
** Even more fans were more unhappy that the unique alternate costumes for the understudies were, alternatively, ''not'' going to be a part of the Broadway production.
* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons (barring maybe Anna of Cleves), Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person (and possibly even being raped by him), you just wanna give her a hug.
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*{{Fanon}}: Giving the Six Queen's children's a spin off musical.
** All the Queen's loving Howard due to her Woobie status and the other queens not really liking eachother outside of Jane respecting Catherine of Aragon (Aragon and Boleyn didn't like eachother, Anne didn't like Jane, and Cleves didn't like Parr).
* FanonDiscontinutity: Jane's harsh comments towards Howard (though in context, it's very likely she didn't mean it) in West End version is mostly removed from fan rewrites, so Jane can have a maternal relationship with her. Even if it is kept in, it's replaced with the much more sympathetic sounding line from the orginal English redition.
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* ShipMates: While there is some variation when it comes to shipping, most fans simply ship [[FanPreferredCouple Howard/Cleves]], [[PitbullDatesPuppy Aragon/Seymour]], and [[PairTheSpares Boleyn/Parr]].
* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Compared to the FanPreferredCouple of Howard/Cleves and the less so but still pretty popular Aragon/Seymour, Parr and Boleyn are given the PairtheSpares treatment. They are typically depicted as UptightLovesWild kind of couple in fanworks.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Might be downplayed when you remember they were faking the competition. However, tons of fans were not happy about the queens' (mostly Anne) rudeness towards [[TheWoobieHoward]] and [[NiceGirlParr]]. This is even worst for Howard as compared to the orginal English version where it's implied they feel sympathetic but are simply saving face, in [[TookALevelInJerkass West End's redition]] has [[OutOfCharacterMoment Jane irrationally brings up Edward never seeing her again and that nobody cared when she dies]] and Anne also harshly states that Howard's life was bland and uneventful and that her beheading meant something.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Might be downplayed when you remember they were faking the competition. However, tons of fans were not happy about the queens' (mostly Anne) rudeness towards [[TheWoobieHoward]] [[TheWoobie Howard]] and [[NiceGirlParr]].[[NiceGirl Parr]]. This is even worst for Howard as compared to the orginal English version where it's implied they feel sympathetic but are simply saving face, in [[TookALevelInJerkass West End's redition]] has [[OutOfCharacterMoment Jane irrationally brings up Edward never seeing her again and that nobody cared when she dies]] and Anne also harshly states that Howard's life was bland and uneventful and that her beheading meant something.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Might be downplayed when you remember they were faking the competition. However, tons of fans were not happy about the queens' (mostly Anne) rudeness towards [[TheWoobieHoward]] and [[NiceGirlParr]]. This is even worst for Howard as compared to the orginal English version where it's implied they feel sympathetic but are simply saving face, in [[TookALevelInJerkass West End's redition]] has [[OutOfCharacterMoment Jane irrationally brings up Edward never seeing her again and that nobody cared when she dies]] and Anne also harshly states that Howard's life was bland and uneventful and that her beheading meant something.
** Anne's treatment of Jane also isn't particularly liked.
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*** When Catherine of Aragon shouts at Anne after she say that, is she saying that to simply discount what she's saying or is it EveryoneHasStandards and she's reminding Anne that she had less brutal cirumstances in those regards in her final days compared to Howard?

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*** Speaking of which, in one of the orginal English reditions, Jane admits Howard had it bad but it's that not the most heartbreaking song they've heard. Is she telling her that's she's not special (which she does do in West End version) or is she calmly telling her that while she's sympathetic to Howard's sitaution, she still shouldn't get a big head about it?

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*** Speaking of which, in ** In one of the orginal English reditions, Jane admits Howard had it bad but it's that not the most heartbreaking song they've heard. Is she telling her that's she's not special (which she does do in West End version) or is she calmly telling her that while she's sympathetic to Howard's sitaution, she still shouldn't get a big head about it?it?
*** Also in the same show, Anne quickly reminds people she got beheaded and manipluated by men as well. Was she reminding people due to the fact hers was seen as bigger beheading and was also reminding Howard she wasn't special in that regard (also done more obviously in the West End version) or was she saying this in an poorly timed attempt at dark humor to lighten the mood again? She does also sound very uncomfortable when she says this too.
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*** Speaking of which, in one of the orginal English reditions, Jane admits Howard had it bad but it's that not the most heartbreaking song they've heard. Is she telling her that's she's not special (which she does do in West End version) or is she calmly telling her that while she's sympathetic to Howard's sitaution, she still shouldn't get a big head about it?

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---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]] ''[briefly mimes fellatio]'' 5-6-7-8! Sorry not sorry 'bout what I said...

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---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything ''[[DoubleEntendre head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]] ''[briefly mimes fellatio]'' 5-6-7-8! Sorry not sorry 'bout what I said...



* CrossesTheLineTwice: The musical runs on it, coming to a head when they begin competing over who had the most miscarriages.

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The MiseryPoker nature of the musical runs on it, coming to a head when they begin competing over who had the most miscarriages.miscarriages.
** Anne Boleyn follows up her justified panic about being beheaded with a blowjob joke about how much Henry must like her "head."
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* NarmCharm: ''"Don't Lose UR Head"'' is full of lyrics like "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby". Still, it is ONE catchy song! And as another troper pointed out, this may be on purpose, to convey Boleyn as childish.

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* NarmCharm: ''"Don't Lose UR Head"'' is full of silly lyrics like "sorry not sorry", "lol", "XO baby". Still, it is ONE one catchy song! And as another troper pointed out, this may be on purpose, song, and it works to convey Boleyn as childish.emphasize her childish nature.
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** "I Don't Need Your Love" seems like a sweet song from Catherine Parr to the man she loves to tell him she has to marry the King, and when you find out she later gets to marry him you're supposed to be happy for her. The song and its message become a lot less cute when you realize Tom Seymour (who was Jane's brother and Parr's fourth husband) was ''at best'' inappropriate with the then 14-year-old Elizabeth Tudor, and that Parr eventually sent Elizabeth away after seeing and ignoring/minimizing her husband's problematic behavior.[[note]]Of particular note, there is a documented incident in which Catherine Parr ''held Elizabeth still'' while Seymour hacked her dress to pieces while she was still wearing it. Historians have never worked out why.[[/note]]
** Aragon's crack about Howard being "the least relevant Catherine" gets [[TearJerker sadder]] - the Howard family [[IHaveNoSon took down her portraits]] [[UnPerson after her execution]]. Howard was erased from their narrative. As of 2020, there is no extant artwork conclusively known to depict Howard, although some historians believe one miniature shows her. Boleyn got the same fate, but at least a coin bearing her likeness (struck during her lifetime) and one confirmed portrait have survived.
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* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons (barring maybe Anna of Cleves), Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person, you just wanna give her a hug.

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* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons (barring maybe Anna of Cleves), Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person, person (and possibly even being raped by him), you just wanna give her a hug.
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* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons, Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person, you just wanna give her a hug.

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* TheWoobie: While all of the wives apply to some extent for various reasons, reasons (barring maybe Anna of Cleves), Katherine Howard stands out for having been used by ('''much''') older men for sex since she was ''thirteen''. When she sings about finally finding a friend who doesn't expect sex from her in Thomas Culpeper, only to have those hopes dashed away with the realization that he also only sees her as a sex object rather than a person, you just wanna give her a hug.
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* MemeticMutation: The "Haus of Holbein" verse about corsets and poisonous makeup became a trend on Tik Tok, with users lip syncing to the lyrics as they squeeze their waists into corsets.
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** WordOfGod lists Music/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for this version of Katherine. With the increased scrutiny since 2019 of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, the parallels between Howard, best known for being used by every single man in her life, and her inspiration go even further than originally written.

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** WordOfGod lists Music/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for this version of Katherine. With Howard. Since 2019, with the increased scrutiny since 2019 of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, particularly with her conservatorship, the parallels between Howard, best known for being used by every single man in her life, Howard and her inspiration go even further than originally written.
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** WordOfGod lists Creator/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for this version of Katherine. With the increased scrutiny since 2019 of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, the parallels between Howard, best known for being used by every single man in her life, and her inspiration go even further than originally written.

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** WordOfGod lists Creator/BritneySpears Music/BritneySpears as one of the inspirations for this version of Katherine. With the increased scrutiny since 2019 of Spears's treatment by her father, the paparazzi, and others throughout her career, the parallels between Howard, best known for being used by every single man in her life, and her inspiration go even further than originally written.
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** For that matter, does Anne Boleyn put up a front of being a carefree ditz to suppress trauma from her own abuse? Note that in live performances she actually cuts off the song to legitimately panic about her impending beheading, before quickly backpedalling with a joke.
---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]]

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** For that matter, does Anne Boleyn put up a front of being a carefree ditz to suppress trauma from her own abuse? Note that in live performances she actually cuts off the song to legitimately panic about her impending beheading, before quickly backpedalling with a joke.
joke about fellatio, including pretending that the microphone is a phallus (amusingly, while most of Anne's actresses very briefly make the motion, Andrea Macaset goes all in with exaggerated facial expressions and gets one of the biggest laughs).
---> '''Anne Boleyn:''' OH MY GOD GUYS, NO, SERIOUSLY, HE’S ACTUALLY GONNA CHOP MY HEAD OFF! [{{Beat}}] [[VerbalBackPedaling Eh, I mean,]] I guess he must've really liked my ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything head]].'' [[MirthlessLaughter He-he.]]]] ''[briefly mimes fellatio]'' 5-6-7-8! Sorry not sorry 'bout what I said...
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** During the third verse of "No Way" goes down on her knees and challenges Henry to name ''one'' thing she had done to cause him pain. Catherine really did do this in real life, during the Legantine Court that was discussing Henry's request for an annulment -- and just like the show, the real Henry couldn't answer her.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Joe "Bear" Graves is now [[VideoGame/CallOfDutyModernWarfare2019 John Price]]

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