History YMMV / ShinMegamiTenseiIV

15th Aug '17 5:20:29 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: It's the first two SNES games mixed together, with elements from ''Strange Journey'' also added.
10th Aug '17 6:13:14 AM Ramidel
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* VillainHasAPoint: When Tayama reveals [[spoiler: how Reds are created]], every named character who learns of it treats it as an act of pure evil, even though there is evidence around Tokyo that demons have quelled their bloodthirsty nature because of them. He also gives Walter and the protagonist (should you side with Walter) a vicious tongue-lashing for [[spoiler: attempting to use the Yamato Perpetual Reactor to open a gate to the Expanse and ''allow the legions of hell itself to trample through Toyko.'']] That said, his statement is not entirely correct as the Ashura-kai also antagonize demons that don't try to eat humans, and an Ashura NPC mentions that the Red Pill supply was running low by the time the Samurai enter [[spoiler:Reverse Hills, meaning things were eventually going to go to hell at some point, in part because the Ashura-Kai casually throw Reds around like they're an expendable and easy to produce resource when they're not. Even Mastema knows it wouldn't last forever and was at best a temporary solution.]]

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When Tayama reveals [[spoiler: how Reds are created]], every named character who learns of it treats it as an act of pure evil, even though there is evidence around Tokyo that demons have quelled their bloodthirsty nature because of them. He also gives Walter and the protagonist (should you side with Walter) a vicious tongue-lashing for [[spoiler: attempting to use the Yamato Perpetual Reactor to open a gate to the Expanse and ''allow the legions of hell itself to trample through Toyko.'']] That said, his statement is not entirely correct as the Ashura-kai also antagonize demons that don't try to eat humans, and an Ashura NPC mentions that the Red Pill supply was running low by the time the Samurai enter [[spoiler:Reverse Hills, meaning things were eventually going to go to hell at some point, in part because the Ashura-Kai casually throw Reds around like they're an expendable and easy to produce resource when they're not. Even Mastema knows it wouldn't last forever and was at best a temporary solution.]]]]
** [[spoiler: The White]] are completely correct that [[spoiler: Law, Chaos and Neutrality inevitably lead to each other, that there's no final victory, and that YHVH will always continue to wreck humanity]]. Problem is, their solution [[spoiler: (permanently annihilating reality)]] really doesn't have much going for it.
10th Jul '17 9:40:35 AM HamburgerTime
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* TheWoobie: The poor National Defense Divinities, who just want to do their job to protect their country, but have been enslaved by means on their Mediums to a tyrannical crime boss running Tokyo straight into the ground. ''Apocalypse'' makes their situation even worse by revealing that [[spoiler:they were originally human prisoners who were forcibly implanted with the essence of Japanese gods and heroes by Japan's psychopathic Defense Minister, who intended on using them as doomsday weapons against foreign countries]].
29th May '17 9:09:38 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** With regards to [[spoiler:his remote bait, [[GenreSavvy astute players]] will notice that the choice happens while the battle interface and music are still up, and that he has not yet done the "burst into red cracks and then explode" animation that all previous bosses have done upon defeat.]]

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** With regards to [[spoiler:his remote bait, [[GenreSavvy astute players]] players will notice that the choice happens while the battle interface and music are still up, and that he has not yet done the "burst into red cracks and then explode" animation that all previous bosses have done upon defeat.]]
21st May '17 8:48:00 AM Someoneman
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Nozomi in the "Samurai and Hunters United" Quest. See FakeDifficulty above.
** Though, thanks to the nature of the GuestStarPartyMember mechanic, this can happen pretty much all the time. Yes, Walter, please keep casting Agi on the fire-immune boss. Thank you.

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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Your AI-controlled companions use a random skill at the end of your turn. They don't take enemy resistances into account, meaning their spells might get nulled, drained, or reflected. And this has a chance to give the enemy the Smirk buff, pretty much guaranteeing that it will dodge all attacks and land a CriticalHit. Nozomi in the "Samurai and Hunters United" Quest. See FakeDifficulty above.
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Quest is especially bad since two of her three skills can cause the nature of the GuestStarPartyMember mechanic, this can happen pretty much all the time. Yes, Walter, please keep casting Agi on the fire-immune boss. Thank you.boss to smirk.
20th Apr '17 9:14:49 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: It's an SMT game. There's sure to be plenty. Notable examples include the sound when you allow a demon your trying to recruit have the life of one of your demons. Flynn's cry upon death. And a few of the music tracks that play in Blasted Tokyo, such as the overworld theme.
** [[spoiler: Ancient of Days makes a ''horrible'' distorted chime noise when you fight it.]]
3rd Jan '17 6:10:11 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** Not only can random-encounter enemies get first strikes like in other games, ''bosses'' can also get first strikes at random, which only serves as FakeDifficulty.
28th Dec '16 1:25:43 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** Getting into the members-only area of Ginza requires you to expend a large sum of Macca on a ChainOfDeals: 55,000 Macca to get through two of the gates, 5,000 Macca to get a Gold Card ([[spoiler:which the offering Hunter doubles to 10,000 if you try to accept]]), and 100,000 Macca to buy the Silver Coin needed to get the Black Card which will then let into the area. And that's just the beginning of your spendings: The shops sell awesome yet exceptionally expensive items and equipment, which get even more expensive if you're playing on Master difficulty. Did you want the Demonica armor on Master? Time to grind for 2.6 million Macca!

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** Getting into the members-only area of Ginza requires you to [[CashGate expend a large sum of Macca Macca]] on a ChainOfDeals: 55,000 Macca to get through two of the gates, 5,000 Macca to get a Gold Card ([[spoiler:which the offering Hunter doubles to 10,000 if you try to accept]]), and 100,000 Macca to buy the Silver Coin needed to get the Black Card which will then let into the area. And that's just the beginning of your spendings: The shops sell awesome yet exceptionally expensive items and equipment, which get even more expensive if you're playing on Master difficulty. Did you want the Demonica armor on Master? Time to grind for 2.6 million Macca!
14th Dec '16 4:54:46 PM HamburgerTime
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed produced by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.
13th Dec '16 1:23:31 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is far more popular than mainline ''SMT''.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.
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