History YMMV / ShinMegamiTenseiIV

21st May '17 8:48:00 AM Someoneman
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Nozomi in the "Samurai and Hunters United" Quest. See FakeDifficulty above.
** Though, thanks to the nature of the GuestStarPartyMember mechanic, this can happen pretty much all the time. Yes, Walter, please keep casting Agi on the fire-immune boss. Thank you.

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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Your AI-controlled companions use a random skill at the end of your turn. They don't take enemy resistances into account, meaning their spells might get nulled, drained, or reflected. And this has a chance to give the enemy the Smirk buff, pretty much guaranteeing that it will dodge all attacks and land a CriticalHit. Nozomi in the "Samurai and Hunters United" Quest. See FakeDifficulty above.
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Quest is especially bad since two of her three skills can cause the nature of the GuestStarPartyMember mechanic, this can happen pretty much all the time. Yes, Walter, please keep casting Agi on the fire-immune boss. Thank you.boss to smirk.
20th Apr '17 9:14:49 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: It's an SMT game. There's sure to be plenty. Notable examples include the sound when you allow a demon your trying to recruit have the life of one of your demons. Flynn's cry upon death. And a few of the music tracks that play in Blasted Tokyo, such as the overworld theme.
** [[spoiler: Ancient of Days makes a ''horrible'' distorted chime noise when you fight it.]]
3rd Jan '17 6:10:11 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** Not only can random-encounter enemies get first strikes like in other games, ''bosses'' can also get first strikes at random, which only serves as FakeDifficulty.
28th Dec '16 1:25:43 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** Getting into the members-only area of Ginza requires you to expend a large sum of Macca on a ChainOfDeals: 55,000 Macca to get through two of the gates, 5,000 Macca to get a Gold Card ([[spoiler:which the offering Hunter doubles to 10,000 if you try to accept]]), and 100,000 Macca to buy the Silver Coin needed to get the Black Card which will then let into the area. And that's just the beginning of your spendings: The shops sell awesome yet exceptionally expensive items and equipment, which get even more expensive if you're playing on Master difficulty. Did you want the Demonica armor on Master? Time to grind for 2.6 million Macca!

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** Getting into the members-only area of Ginza requires you to [[CashGate expend a large sum of Macca Macca]] on a ChainOfDeals: 55,000 Macca to get through two of the gates, 5,000 Macca to get a Gold Card ([[spoiler:which the offering Hunter doubles to 10,000 if you try to accept]]), and 100,000 Macca to buy the Silver Coin needed to get the Black Card which will then let into the area. And that's just the beginning of your spendings: The shops sell awesome yet exceptionally expensive items and equipment, which get even more expensive if you're playing on Master difficulty. Did you want the Demonica armor on Master? Time to grind for 2.6 million Macca!
14th Dec '16 4:54:46 PM HamburgerTime
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed produced by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.
13th Dec '16 1:23:31 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is far more popular than mainline ''SMT''.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West]] where ''Persona'' is [[MorePopularSpinoff far more popular popular]] than mainline ''SMT''.
13th Dec '16 1:22:54 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's even more pronounced in the West where ''Persona'' is far more popular than mainline ''SMT''.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release, something that's even [[AmericansHateTingle more pronounced in the West West]] where ''Persona'' is far more popular than mainline ''SMT''.
13th Dec '16 1:22:41 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release.release, something that's even more pronounced in the West where ''Persona'' is far more popular than mainline ''SMT''.
13th Dec '16 1:22:00 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada.

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* ToughActToFollow: Part of the reason for the ContestedSequel mentioned above is that this game had to live up to the stigma of being a sequel to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', perhaps ''the'' most highly regarded game in the mainline SMT series as well as it being the last game directed by series creator Cozy Okada. Within the context of the entire franchise, the game had to face comparisons to ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]'', which was [[CashCowFranchise steadily rolling in cash for Atlus]] at the time of this game's release.
13th Dec '16 1:19:55 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ContestedSequel: Many feel that the game is a steep drop in quality compared to ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', due to comparatively weaker 3D visuals, the revision of some battle mechanics (especially the removal of defense stats), and the game lacking challenge in comparison. Others however, praise the game for being much more beginner-friendly than ''Nocturne'' and especially ''I'' and ''II''.

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* ContestedSequel: Many feel that the game is a steep drop in quality [[ToughActToFollow compared to the gold standard that is]] ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', due to comparatively weaker 3D visuals, the revision of some battle mechanics (especially the removal of defense stats), and the game lacking challenge in comparison. Others however, praise the game for being much more beginner-friendly than ''Nocturne'' and especially ''I'' and ''II''.
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