History YMMV / SekaiichiHatsukoi

13th Mar '18 7:10:16 AM yin_13147
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Some people have wondered whether or not Chiaki is deliberately playing the heartstrings of both Hatori and Yanase. Is he truly {{Oblivious to Love}} and doesn't mean to hurt their feelings or is [[ObfuscatingStupidity that a front]] and he secretly yearns to make things difficult for both of them sending them [[MasteroftheMixedMessage mixed messages]] and then [[{{Jerkass}} trampling on their hearts.]] Of course this comes up due to Chiaki's {{Base Breaker}} status.

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Some people have wondered whether or not Chiaki is deliberately playing the heartstrings of both Hatori and Yanase. Is he truly {{Oblivious to Love}} and doesn't mean to hurt their feelings or is [[ObfuscatingStupidity that a front]] and he secretly yearns to make things difficult for both of them sending them [[MasteroftheMixedMessage mixed messages]] and then [[{{Jerkass}} trampling on their hearts.]] Of course this comes up due to Chiaki's {{Base Breaker}} status.



** As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times.

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** As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even insensitive. Even if Ritsu can often give mixed messages at times.messages, it doesn't change the fact that almost every time they interact and their feelings for the other are the topic of conversation, Takano always tends to back Ritsu into a corner (both literally and metaphorically) without even giving him a chance to speak his part.



* TheWoobie: One cannot help but feel sorry for Yanase especially given these situations. [[spoiler: He's on the short end of the stick of he love triangle of Hatori/Chiaki, he lost to Hatori because he didn't spill out his feelings sooner and when he tries to confess his feelings to Chiaki, he gets rejected twice.]] By the end of episode 16 [[spoiler: he's on the [[HeroicBSOD verge of breaking down]] and you can't help but pity him.]]

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One cannot help but feel sorry for Yanase especially given these situations. [[spoiler: He's on the short end of the stick of he love triangle of Hatori/Chiaki, he lost to Hatori because he didn't spill out his feelings sooner and when he tries to confess his feelings to Chiaki, he gets rejected twice.]] By the end of episode 16 [[spoiler: he's on the [[HeroicBSOD verge of breaking down]] and you can't help but pity him.]]
17th Jan '18 8:41:47 PM yin_13147
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** As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times. To paraphrase: "Takano [fails to understand] that a past sexual relationship does not give him the right to Onodera's body."
** Even though he meant well and didn't want Takano to get hurt a second time, the way Yokozawa treats Ritsu because of it crosses into KickTheDog[=/=]KickThemWhileTheyAreDown territory more often than not. He does eventually move on, but nothing that happened before or after he moved on justifies the way he acted, making it hard to feel sorry for him when Takano firmly tells him to cut it out and that a relationship between them will never happen.

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** As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times. To paraphrase: "Takano [fails to understand] that a past sexual relationship does not give him the right to Onodera's body."\n
** Even though he meant well and only didn't want Takano to get hurt a second time, the way Yokozawa treats Ritsu because of it crosses into KickTheDog[=/=]KickThemWhileTheyAreDown territory more often than not. He does eventually move on, on and becomes more civil towards Ritsu, but nothing that happened before or after he moved on justifies it doesn't justify the way he acted, making it hard to feel sorry for him when Takano firmly tells him to cut it out and that a relationship between them will never happen.acted.
12th Jan '18 5:50:18 AM yin_13147
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** Even though he meant well and didn't want Takano to get hurt a second time, the way Yokozawa treats Ritsu because of it crosses into KickTheDog[=/=]KickThemWhileTheyAreDown territory more often than not. He does eventually move on, but nothing that happened before or after he moved on justifies the way he acted, making it quite hard to feel sorry for him when Takano firmly tells him to cut it out since a relationship between them will never happen.

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** Even though he meant well and didn't want Takano to get hurt a second time, the way Yokozawa treats Ritsu because of it crosses into KickTheDog[=/=]KickThemWhileTheyAreDown territory more often than not. He does eventually move on, but nothing that happened before or after he moved on justifies the way he acted, making it quite hard to feel sorry for him when Takano firmly tells him to cut it out since and that a relationship between them will never happen.
12th Jan '18 5:48:30 AM yin_13147
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times. To paraphrase: "Takano [fails to understand] that a past sexual relationship does not give him the right to Onodera's body."

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
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As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times. To paraphrase: "Takano [fails to understand] that a past sexual relationship does not give him the right to Onodera's body.""
** Even though he meant well and didn't want Takano to get hurt a second time, the way Yokozawa treats Ritsu because of it crosses into KickTheDog[=/=]KickThemWhileTheyAreDown territory more often than not. He does eventually move on, but nothing that happened before or after he moved on justifies the way he acted, making it quite hard to feel sorry for him when Takano firmly tells him to cut it out since a relationship between them will never happen.
12th Jan '18 5:41:18 AM yin_13147
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As stated in a [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/sekai-ichi-hatsukoi-the-world-greatest-first-love/seasons-1/.116768 review]], while Takano does sincerely love Ritsu and doesn't intend to hurt him, Takano clearly has consent issues and the way he pursues Ritsu can often be too aggressive and insensitive, even if Ritsu can give mixed messages at times. To paraphrase: "Takano [fails to understand] that a past sexual relationship does not give him the right to Onodera's body."
31st Dec '17 6:59:33 AM yin_13147
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** Nostalgia: [[JerkWithaHeartofGold Takano]] and [[{{Tsundere}} Onodera]]
** Domestica: [[{{Yandere}} Hatori]] and [[IdiotHero Yoshino]]
** Erotica: [[TheEeyore Kisa]] and [[NiceGuy Yukina]]
** Trifecta: [[GrumpyBear Yokozawa]] and [[TheTease Kirishima]]

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** Nostalgia: [[JerkWithaHeartofGold Takano]] and [[{{Tsundere}} Onodera]]
Onodera]].
** Domestica: [[{{Yandere}} Hatori]] and [[IdiotHero Yoshino]]
Yoshino]].
** Erotica: [[TheEeyore Kisa]] and [[NiceGuy Yukina]]
Yukina]].
** Trifecta: [[GrumpyBear Yokozawa]] and [[TheTease Kirishima]]Kirishima]].



** Chiaki would also be one if only because he's so oblivious and innocent compared to the other characters. [[spoiler: And Hatori raping him in the novel gives him some more sympathy points if he didn't feel sorry for Hatori instead of blaming him.]]

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** Chiaki would also be one if only because he's so oblivious and innocent compared to the other characters. [[spoiler: And Hatori raping him in the novel gives him some more sympathy points if he didn't feel sorry for Hatori instead of blaming him.]]]]
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31st Dec '17 6:58:38 AM yin_13147
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* {{Alternate Character Interpretation}}: Some people have wondered whether or not Chiaki is deliberately playing the heartstrings of both Hatori and Yanase. Is he truly {{Oblivious to Love}} and doesn't mean to hurt their feelings or is [[ObfuscatingStupidity that a front]] and he secretly yearns to make things difficult for both of them sending them [[MasteroftheMixedMessage mixed messages]] and then [[{{Jerkass}} trampling on their hearts.]] Of course this comes up due to Chiaki's {{Base Breaker}} status.

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* {{Alternate Character Interpretation}}: AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Some people have wondered whether or not Chiaki is deliberately playing the heartstrings of both Hatori and Yanase. Is he truly {{Oblivious to Love}} and doesn't mean to hurt their feelings or is [[ObfuscatingStupidity that a front]] and he secretly yearns to make things difficult for both of them sending them [[MasteroftheMixedMessage mixed messages]] and then [[{{Jerkass}} trampling on their hearts.]] Of course this comes up due to Chiaki's {{Base Breaker}} status.



* {{Base Breaker}}: Hatori gets a lot of flak. He's either the perfect candidate for Chiaki because of how he takes care of him and known him for twenty years or is hated because he's a [[{{Yandere}} possessive]] seme that will use [[DomesticAbuse force to hurt]] [[TheWoobie Chiaki]] and [[TheRival Yanase.]] [[spoiler: Episode 16 doesn't help the cause.]] Same thing applies to Chiaki though. He's either the cutest {{uke}} ever or the [[TooDumbtoLive dumbest]] {{uke}} that needs to see that's he's hurting both of his friends because of his idiotic nature.
** The Hatori/Chiaki pairing in general is this. You either consider them the [[SickeninglySweethearts sweetest couple]] ever or you see a rather [[DomesticAbuse depressing relationship]] forming that is [[DestructiveRomance not sweet]] but [[MasochismTango rather disturbing]] especially if you read the novel.
* {{Die for Our Ship}}: You can guarantee that if you're a Yuu/Chiaki fan, Hatori will almost always get bashed and written as pure evil, kill him off so Yuu can have Chiaki for himself or be written out completely to give Yuu a chance at love.
* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: While definitely not a villain, the fans that defend Hatori for his actions (in the novel concerning [[spoiler: him raping Chiaki]]) being justified in the since that he needed to do this in order to get Chiaki to realize that he had feelings for him.
* {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}: Yuu Yanase is generally more liked than Hatori or Chiaki in terms of the love triangle. Despite being the character on the short end of the stick, he stands out a lot due to how his personality is different from what Nakamura usually writes. [[Creator/HiroshiKamiya His voice actor]] and [[TheTrickster personality]] is very similar to a certain {{troll}} from [[{{LightNovel/Durarara}} another anime]] helps his case.

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* {{Base Breaker}}: BaseBreakingCharacter: Hatori gets a lot of flak. He's either the perfect candidate for Chiaki because of how he takes care of him and known him for twenty years or is hated because he's a [[{{Yandere}} possessive]] seme that will use [[DomesticAbuse force to hurt]] [[TheWoobie Chiaki]] and [[TheRival Yanase.]] [[spoiler: Episode 16 doesn't help the cause.]] Same thing applies to Chiaki though. He's either the cutest {{uke}} ever or the [[TooDumbtoLive dumbest]] {{uke}} that needs to see that's he's hurting both of his friends because of his idiotic nature.
** * BrokenBase: The Hatori/Chiaki pairing in general is this. You either consider them the [[SickeninglySweethearts sweetest couple]] ever or you see a rather [[DomesticAbuse depressing relationship]] forming that is [[DestructiveRomance not sweet]] but [[MasochismTango rather disturbing]] especially if you read the novel.
* {{Die for Our Ship}}: DieForOurShip: You can guarantee that if you're a Yuu/Chiaki fan, Hatori will almost always get bashed and written as pure evil, kill him off so Yuu can have Chiaki for himself or be written out completely to give Yuu a chance at love.
* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: DracoInLeatherPants: While definitely not a villain, the fans that defend Hatori for his actions (in the novel concerning [[spoiler: him raping Chiaki]]) being justified in the since that he needed to do this in order to get Chiaki to realize that he had feelings for him.
* {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}: EnsembleDarkhorse: Yuu Yanase is generally more liked than Hatori or Chiaki in terms of the love triangle. Despite being the character on the short end of the stick, he stands out a lot due to how his personality is different from what Nakamura usually writes. [[Creator/HiroshiKamiya His voice actor]] and [[TheTrickster personality]] is very similar to a certain {{troll}} from [[{{LightNovel/Durarara}} another anime]] helps his case.



* {{Fan Preferred Couple}}: A more minor example in that some people would prefer Chiaki with Yanase than Hatori. [[spoiler: This has to do with Hatori brutally raping Chiaki and episode 16 that pulled everyone's heartstrings.]]

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* {{Fan Preferred Couple}}: FanPreferredCouple: A more minor example in that some people would prefer Chiaki with Yanase than Hatori. [[spoiler: This has to do with Hatori brutally raping Chiaki and episode 16 that pulled everyone's heartstrings.]]



* {{Idiot Plot}}: Episode 16 is regarded as one given that it focuses on Domestica. So Hatori cancels a date with Chiaki to meet up with his ex-girlfriend about rooms for two people. Chiaki ends up assuming that Hatori is cheating on him ''again'' (as he already assumed this in episode 6 when they first started dating), and what does he do? He goes complain to Yanase about Hatori "cheating" on him when in the last episode, Yanase has made it clear to Chiaki that he's in love with him and wants to be more than friends. While things don't end well for Yanase (and he's not really at fault in this episode), Yanase's [[spoiler: [[HeroicBSOD breakdown]]]] could have been avoided if...

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* {{Idiot Plot}}: IdiotPlot: Episode 16 is regarded as one given that it focuses on Domestica. So Hatori cancels a date with Chiaki to meet up with his ex-girlfriend about rooms for two people. Chiaki ends up assuming that Hatori is cheating on him ''again'' (as he already assumed this in episode 6 when they first started dating), and what does he do? He goes complain to Yanase about Hatori "cheating" on him when in the last episode, Yanase has made it clear to Chiaki that he's in love with him and wants to be more than friends. While things don't end well for Yanase (and he's not really at fault in this episode), Yanase's [[spoiler: [[HeroicBSOD breakdown]]]] could have been avoided if...



* {{Internet Backdraft}}: ''Do not mention'' the Hatori/Chiaki pairing online and your opinion about [[spoiler: the [[RapeasDrama gruesome rape]]]] in the novel if you wish to save your heart from being broken.
* {{Jerkass Woobie}}: Takano because [[spoiler: he had a crappy family life and when he found out that Ritsu (the only person that cared for him during his high school years) had a fiance and left him shortly afterwards, he had a breakdown and Yokozawa had to pull him out of it.]] Naturally, he ends up being a huge jerk when he finally recovers but once the audience (and Ritsu) finds out about his past, you will feel sorry for him.

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* {{Internet Backdraft}}: InternetBackdraft: ''Do not mention'' the Hatori/Chiaki pairing online and your opinion about [[spoiler: the [[RapeasDrama gruesome rape]]]] in the novel if you wish to save your heart from being broken.
* {{Jerkass Woobie}}: JerkassWoobie:
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Takano because [[spoiler: he had a crappy family life and when he found out that Ritsu (the only person that cared for him during his high school years) had a fiance and left him shortly afterwards, he had a breakdown and Yokozawa had to pull him out of it.]] Naturally, he ends up being a huge jerk when he finally recovers but once the audience (and Ritsu) finds out about his past, you will feel sorry for him.



* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: To a lot of people, Hatori crosses the line when he [[spoiler: brutally raped Chiaki in the novel.]] The anime was nice enough to tone it down but said fans aren't going to let what happened in the novel slide and it implies it in the anime as well. Being a {{Karma Houdini}} and [[spoiler: beating up on Yanase]] does not help his case in trying to redeem himself.
* {{Never Live it Down}}: Hatori gets a lot of flak from people [[spoiler: because he raped his childhood friend after Chiaki begged him to stop and he didn't even listen. This doubles as RapeAsDrama.]] The fact that the scene is never mentioned again pisses a lot of people off.

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* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: MoralEventHorizon: To a lot of people, Hatori crosses the line when he [[spoiler: brutally raped Chiaki in the novel.]] The anime was nice enough to tone it down but said fans aren't going to let what happened in the novel slide and it implies it in the anime as well. Being a {{Karma Houdini}} and [[spoiler: beating up on Yanase]] does not help his case in trying to redeem himself.
* {{Never Live it Down}}: NeverLiveItDown: Hatori gets a lot of flak from people [[spoiler: because he raped his childhood friend after Chiaki begged him to stop and he didn't even listen. This doubles as RapeAsDrama.]] The fact that the scene is never mentioned again pisses a lot of people off.



* {{The Scrappy}}: Chiaki is not well liked in the fandom ''at all'' for his [[TooDumbtoLive stupidity]] and his insensitive nature that contributed to {{Ensemble Darkhorse}} Yuu's [[spoiler: [[HeroicBSOD breakdown]]]].
* {{Ship to Ship Combat}}: [[OfficialCouple Hatori/Chiaki]] vs. [[FanPreferredCouple Yanase/Chiaki]]. Take your pick and [[SarcasmMode prepare for battle.]]

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* {{The Scrappy}}: TheScrappy: Chiaki is not well liked in the fandom ''at all'' for his [[TooDumbtoLive stupidity]] and his insensitive nature that contributed to {{Ensemble Darkhorse}} Yuu's [[spoiler: [[HeroicBSOD breakdown]]]].
* {{Ship to Ship Combat}}: ShipToShipCombat: [[OfficialCouple Hatori/Chiaki]] vs. [[FanPreferredCouple Yanase/Chiaki]]. Take your pick and [[SarcasmMode prepare for battle.]]



* {{Tear Jerker}}: Episode 16. [[BreaktheCutie That]] [[HeroicBSOD is]] [[LoveHurts all.]]

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* {{Tear Jerker}}: TearJerker: Episode 16. [[BreaktheCutie That]] [[HeroicBSOD is]] [[LoveHurts all.]]



* {{Why Would Anyone Take Him Back}}: Half the fanbase wonder why Chiaki took Hatori back when [[spoiler: he brutally raped him]] but it's mainly due to {{Status Quo is God}}.
* {{The Woobie}}: One cannot help but feel sorry for Yanase especially given these situations. [[spoiler: He's on the short end of the stick of he love triangle of Hatori/Chiaki, he lost to Hatori because he didn't spill out his feelings sooner and when he tries to confess his feelings to Chiaki, he gets rejected twice.]] By the end of episode 16 [[spoiler: he's on the [[HeroicBSOD verge of breaking down]] and you can't help but pity him.]]

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* {{Why Would Anyone Take Him Back}}: WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Half the fanbase wonder why Chiaki took Hatori back when [[spoiler: he brutally raped him]] but it's mainly due to {{Status Quo is God}}.
* {{The Woobie}}: TheWoobie: One cannot help but feel sorry for Yanase especially given these situations. [[spoiler: He's on the short end of the stick of he love triangle of Hatori/Chiaki, he lost to Hatori because he didn't spill out his feelings sooner and when he tries to confess his feelings to Chiaki, he gets rejected twice.]] By the end of episode 16 [[spoiler: he's on the [[HeroicBSOD verge of breaking down]] and you can't help but pity him.]]
7th Dec '17 12:50:34 PM WaterBlap
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* {{Never Live it Down}}: Hatori gets a lot of flak from people [[spoiler: because he raped his childhood friend after Chiaki begged him to stop and he didn't even listen. Mind you that this is one of the few times where {{Rape as Drama}} instead of the typical {{Rape is Love}}.]] The fact that the scene is never mentioned again pisses a lot of people off.

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* {{Never Live it Down}}: Hatori gets a lot of flak from people [[spoiler: because he raped his childhood friend after Chiaki begged him to stop and he didn't even listen. Mind you that this is one of the few times where {{Rape This doubles as Drama}} instead of the typical {{Rape is Love}}.RapeAsDrama.]] The fact that the scene is never mentioned again pisses a lot of people off.
29th Jul '16 8:25:53 PM Anddrix
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* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: While definitely not a villain, the fans that defend Hatori for his actions (in the novel concerning [[spoiler: him raping Chiaki]]) being justified in the since that he needed to do this in order to get Chiaki to realize that he had feelings for him. [[BaseBreaker You can see how everything is divided.]]

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* {{Draco in Leather Pants}}: While definitely not a villain, the fans that defend Hatori for his actions (in the novel concerning [[spoiler: him raping Chiaki]]) being justified in the since that he needed to do this in order to get Chiaki to realize that he had feelings for him. [[BaseBreaker You can see how everything is divided.]]
22nd Jul '16 6:47:23 AM yin_13147
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* EpilepticTrees: Many fans who have also read ''Hybrid Child'', another of Nakamura's works that has been adapted into an anime, widely speculated that Takano and Ritsu are the reincarnations of Kuroda and Tsukishima, who are one of the three pairings featured in the aforementioned manga, due to their physical resemblances and their similar relationship dynamics.

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* EpilepticTrees: Many fans who have also read ''Hybrid Child'', another of Nakamura's works that has been adapted into an anime, widely speculated that Takano and Ritsu are the reincarnations of Kuroda and Tsukishima, who are one of the three pairings featured in the aforementioned manga, due to their physical resemblances and their similar relationship dynamics.dynamic.
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