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15th Apr '16 3:52:22 PM Delphi
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** Whenever a monster takes a few seconds to realize that it's dead.
28th Dec '15 1:41:22 PM GastonRabbit
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Any of the many, many boss themes.
** Not just the boss themes; most of the soundtrack qualifies. While ''Secret of Mana'' is usually regarded as Kikuta's masterpiece, truthfully the music from this game isn't very far behind.



* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Trying to enter Duran's house with both Duran and Angela in the party grants you the following conversation (along these lines):
-->'''Duran:''' Let's skip this one house, it's mine. I promised not to return until [[spoiler: I defeated Koren]].
-->'''Angela:''' Aw, I wanted to see your room. But if you're hiding anything, like your [[PornStash porn collection]], I understand.
-->'''Duran:''' ''(flustered)'' Oh, SHUT UP!
** Infiltrating the Corobokkle Village with Hawk.
---> '''Hawk:''' I'm Hawk, but everyone calls me [[TheSmurfs Papa Smurf]]!
** Strangely enough, there's an X-rated magazine in Forcena's library.
*** Read it with any of the characters and their reaction is: "... ... ... !!!". Except for Carlie, that is - read it with her and you get the more comical reaction of "... ... ... ???"
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Any of the many, many boss themes.
** Not just the boss themes; most of the soundtrack qualifies. While ''Secret of Mana'' is usually regarded as Kikuta's masterpiece, truthfully the music from this game isn't very far behind.



** Shadow Zeroes take the cake, though. They copy your characters down to the last stat point, and they're affected by the same HealthDamageAsymmetry as your party, which lets them deal boss-killing damage to your party's still-PC-level health. And it only gets worse if you used [[NoFairCheating cheats]] or LevelGrinding to strengthen your party past what they should have by then.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: ''Riesz!'' When searching for any fan art of this game, expect to find more art of her than everyone else combined!

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** Shadow Zeroes Zeros take the cake, though. They copy your characters down to the last stat point, and they're affected by the same HealthDamageAsymmetry as your party, which lets them deal boss-killing damage to your party's still-PC-level still PC-level health. And it only gets worse if you used [[NoFairCheating cheats]] or LevelGrinding to strengthen your party past what they should have by then.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: ''Riesz!'' ''Riesz''! When searching for any fan art of this game, expect to find more art of her than everyone else combined!



* FanPreferredCouple: Even though Hawk already has a "girlfriend," many fans prefer to [[{{shipping}} ship]] him with Lise. Their stories are related to each other and it doesn't help that the game put in some minor ShipTease in there (nor does it help that Hawk's "girlfriend" basically has zero screen time). This was strengthened when ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMana'' revealed [[spoiler: that Hawk's "girlfriend" is [[IncestIsRelative his mother's half-sister]].]]

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* FanPreferredCouple: Even though Hawk already has a "girlfriend," many fans prefer to [[{{shipping}} ship]] him with Lise. Their stories are related to each other and it doesn't help that the game put in some minor ShipTease in there (nor does it help that Hawk's "girlfriend" basically has zero screen time). This was strengthened when ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMana'' revealed [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that Hawk's "girlfriend" is [[IncestIsRelative his mother's half-sister]].]]half-sister]]]].



** Also, putting the [[PrestigeClass final classes]] in context with the back-stories of each character really increases their significance. In most cases, the Light classes are more based on duty and/or idealized versions of certain figures in their lives, while the Dark classes are more based on obsession and/or the actual current situation of said figures.

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** Also, putting the [[PrestigeClass final classes]] in context with the back-stories backstories of each character really increases their significance. In most cases, the Light classes are more based on duty and/or idealized versions of certain figures in their lives, while the Dark classes are more based on obsession and/or the actual current situation of said figures.



*** Carlie might even be a case of [[BreakTheCutie Break]] and then CorruptTheCutie if she goes dark. Think about it, she's so madly in love with [[spoiler:Heath, who is BrainwashedAndCrazy thanks to the Masked Mage]] that she would walk down the same path as [[spoiler:him]] WILLINGLY just to be with [[spoiler:him]]. Her final light classes on the other hand, are essentially Carlie choosing which of her grandfathers she'll emulate.

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*** Carlie might even be a case of [[BreakTheCutie Break]] and then CorruptTheCutie if she goes dark. Think about it, she's so madly in love with [[spoiler:Heath, who is BrainwashedAndCrazy thanks to the Masked Mage]] that she would walk down the same path as [[spoiler:him]] WILLINGLY ''willingly'' just to be with [[spoiler:him]]. Her final light classes on the other hand, are essentially Carlie choosing which of her grandfathers she'll emulate.



*** Hawk's classes take a different spin of this trend: keep in mind that the Desert of Scorching Heat was once a huge forest: the Wanderer and Rogue recall that time, while the Ninja Master and Nightblade reflect the reality of things.
*** Angela's Light classes seem to reflect a desire to emulate her mother, while her Dark classes are more based on her pursuit of magical ability [[spoiler: like Koren]].

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*** Hawk's classes take a different spin of this trend: keep trend. Keep in mind that the Desert of Scorching Heat was once a huge forest: forest; the Wanderer and Rogue recall that time, while the Ninja Master and Nightblade reflect the reality of things.
*** Angela's Light classes seem to reflect a desire to emulate her mother, while her Dark classes are more based on her pursuit of magical ability [[spoiler: like ability, [[spoiler:like Koren]].



* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Trying to enter Duran's house with both Duran and Angela in the party grants you the following conversation (along these lines):
-->'''Duran:''' Let's skip this one house, it's mine. I promised not to return until [[spoiler:I defeated Koren]].
-->'''Angela:''' Aw, I wanted to see your room. But if you're hiding anything, like your [[PornStash porn collection]], I understand.
-->'''Duran:''' ''(flustered)'' Oh, SHUT UP!
** Infiltrating the Corobokkle Village with Hawk.
---> '''Hawk:''' I'm Hawk, but everyone calls me [[TheSmurfs Papa Smurf]]!
** Strangely enough, there's an X-rated magazine in Forcena's library. Read it with any of the characters and their reaction is: "... ... ... !!!". Except for Carlie, that is -- read it with her and you get the more comical reaction of "... ... ... ???"



** Arguably using Hawk and Kevin in the same team since they have double attacks. (Or really pretty much everything Kevin does.) Oh their FIRST skill (green bar) can be STRONGER than their last (red bar) when buffed with elements and Power Ups. If you picked their "darkest" classes (Nightblade for Hawk and Death Hand for Kevin) they tear even bosses apart. Add some more pain if you lower the enemy's defenses.
** [[spoiler:Counter Magic or Matango Oils (which has the same magic effect)]] render most of Koren's spells useless. It's only a game breaker in that one fight but it's still fun.

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** Arguably using Hawk and Kevin in the same team since they have double attacks. (Or really pretty much everything Kevin does.) Oh their FIRST '''first''' skill (green bar) can be STRONGER '''stronger''' than their last (red bar) when buffed with elements and Power Ups. If you picked their "darkest" classes (Nightblade for Hawk and Death Hand for Kevin) Kevin), they tear even bosses apart. Add some more pain if you lower the enemy's defenses.
** [[spoiler:Counter Magic or Matango Oils (which has the same magic effect)]] render most of Koren's spells useless. It's only a game breaker in that one fight fight, but it's still fun.



* GoodBadBugs: Some of the StandardStatusEffects (specifically: Poison, [[BalefulPolymorph Moogle, Chibikko (shrink)]], [[TakenForGranite Petrification]], and Silence) don't stack with one another - the most recent one takes precedence. During the course of the plot, you get an item called the Chibikko Hammer, which either inflicts or cures the Chibikko status on your party. So, if a party member gets hit with one of the other statuses, two hits from the hammer (once to Chibikko them, and once to cure it) will get rid of it without having to use any status curing items or spells.

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* GoodBadBugs: Some of the StandardStatusEffects (specifically: (specifically, Poison, [[BalefulPolymorph Moogle, Chibikko (shrink)]], [[TakenForGranite Petrification]], and Silence) don't stack with one another - the most recent one takes precedence. During the course of the plot, you get an item called the Chibikko Hammer, which either inflicts or cures the Chibikko status on your party. So, if a party member gets hit with one of the other statuses, two hits from the hammer (once to Chibikko them, and once to cure it) will get rid of it without having to use any status curing items or spells.



* HilariousInHindsight: A guy named [[HeathLedger Heath]] is captured by [[spoiler: and eventually works with]] a MonsterClown. He even shares a game with a character called [[Film/TheDarkKnight "Dark[shine] Knight."]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: A guy named [[HeathLedger Heath]] is captured by [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and eventually works with]] a MonsterClown. He even shares a game with a character called [[Film/TheDarkKnight "Dark[shine] Knight."]]



** Dolan and Zable Fahr are considered the most difficult of the 8 God-Beasts. The former because aside from his all-round power, has a strong attack the temporarily reduces the party's max HP in addition to inflicting massive damage. With the latter, it has really strong attacks in addition to hitting the party with de-buff spells, and has the instant death spell that will kill a party member they are at a lower level than it, and odds are they will be. Thankfully, Zable Fahr has fairly low HP. Even the final class change of the game comes right before the battle, Zable Fahr is still regarded as the hardest of the God-Beasts.
** Heath. Oh damn, '''Heath''' is a nightmare! Most fans agree that even if the Dark Lich is easiest FinalBoss, he's the hardest penultimate boss. Not only is he a cross-class cleric/mage, he has improbable amounts of health (as his name implies), he knows debuff spells against your entire party which render your fighters invalid, can heal and knows all darkness spells, all light spells AND 3 of the 4 possible summons for Liese, which are all party-wide heavy damage in addition to inflicting mute (Marduke), poison (Jormungand) or chibiko (Freya). That is why it is commonly advised against choosing Carlie or Kevin as the main hero.
** Koren may be made a joke by using a gimmick, [[note]]Using Matango Oil or Hawk's magic (as Wanderer) Counter Magic will render 90% of his spells useless.[[/note]] but chances are you won't know it and will be bombarded by several magic spells with varying degrees of power cast from a ''very'' swift magician that uses FlashStep to get away from you all the time and can take inordinate amounts of punishment.
* ThatOneLevel: Moonreading Tower. It doesn't help that the [[ThatOneBoss boss of it is pretty damn hard too]].
** All of the six exclusive dungeons (Glass Desert and Dragon's Hole, Cave of Darkness and Dark Castle, Jungle of Illusion and Mirage Palace) are ''very'' long, have very little recovery points and chucks DemonicSpiders every now and then on you, not to mention the BossRush inside of each.
* TheUntwist: The Darkshine Knight is Duran's father. This is so obvious that he even calls Duran out for being too much of an idiot to notice it

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** Dolan and Zable Fahr are considered the most difficult of the 8 eight God-Beasts. The former because aside from his all-round power, has a strong attack the temporarily reduces the party's max HP in addition to inflicting massive damage. With the latter, it has really strong attacks in addition to hitting the party with de-buff spells, and has the instant death spell that will kill a party member they are at a lower level than it, and odds are they will be. Thankfully, Zable Fahr has fairly low HP. Even the final class change of the game comes right before the battle, Zable Fahr is still regarded as the hardest of the God-Beasts.
** Heath. [[spoiler:Heath]]. Oh damn, '''Heath''' '''[[spoiler:Heath]]''' is a nightmare! Most fans agree that even if the Dark Lich is easiest FinalBoss, he's the hardest penultimate boss. Not only is he a cross-class cleric/mage, he has improbable amounts of health (as his name implies), he knows debuff spells against your entire party which render your fighters invalid, can heal and knows all darkness spells, all light spells AND 3 ''and'' three of the 4 four possible summons for Liese, Lise, which are all party-wide heavy damage in addition to inflicting mute (Marduke), poison (Jormungand) (Jormungand), or chibiko Chibikko (Freya). That is why it is commonly advised against choosing Carlie or Kevin as the main hero.
** Koren may be made a joke by using a gimmick, [[note]]Using gimmick[[note]]Using Matango Oil or Hawk's magic (as Wanderer) Counter Magic will render 90% of his spells useless.[[/note]] [[/note]], but chances are you won't know it and will be bombarded by several magic spells with varying degrees of power cast from a ''very'' swift magician that uses FlashStep to get away from you all the time and can take inordinate amounts of punishment.
* ThatOneLevel: Moonreading Tower. It doesn't help that the [[ThatOneBoss the boss of it is pretty damn hard too]].
** All of the six exclusive dungeons (Glass Desert and Dragon's Hole, Cave of Darkness and Dark Castle, Jungle of Illusion and Mirage Palace) are ''very'' long, have very little few recovery points and chucks chuck DemonicSpiders every now and then on you, not to mention the BossRush inside of each.
* TheUntwist: The [[spoiler:The Darkshine Knight is Duran's father. father.]] This is so obvious that he even calls Duran out for being too much of an idiot to notice it
9th Dec '15 5:02:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome[=/=]HirokiKikuta: Any of the many, many boss themes.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome[=/=]HirokiKikuta: CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Any of the many, many boss themes.
12th Sep '15 9:39:35 PM GunarmDyne
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: ''Reisz!'' When searching for any fan art of this game, expect to find more art of her than everyone else combined!

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: ''Reisz!'' ''Riesz!'' When searching for any fan art of this game, expect to find more art of her than everyone else combined!
12th Sep '15 9:37:22 PM GunarmDyne
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: ''Reisz!'' When searching for any fan art of this game, expect to find more art of her than everyone else combined!
17th Aug '15 8:25:07 AM shimaspawn
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* MemeticSexGoddess: Most of the fan art for the entire franchise is of Lise in sexy poses.
2nd Aug '15 12:39:39 PM SpaceDrake
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* NoExportForYou: Far and away one of ''the'' most infamous examples in video game history; a translation was in the works, the game was even advertised briefly in Nintendo Power and elsewhere as ''Secret of Mana 2''... and then Square decided to shift development resources elsewhere, to things like ''VideoGame/SecretOfEvermore'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG''. A lot of fans are ''still'' bitter about this, and worse, it is now the '''''only''''' major ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' game to never get an overseas release (even its ''prequel'' got one). A fan translation is readily available, however.
9th Jun '15 6:57:41 AM nitrokitty
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* NoExportForYou: Far and away one of ''the'' most infamous examples in video game history; a translation was in the works, the game was even advertised briefly in Nintendo Power and elsewhere as ''Secret of Mana 2''... and then Square decided to shift development resources elsewhere, to things like ''VideoGame/SecretOfEvermore'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG''. A lot of fans are ''still'' bitter about this, and worse, it is now the '''''only''''' major ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' game to never get an overseas release (even its ''prequel'' got one).

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* NoExportForYou: Far and away one of ''the'' most infamous examples in video game history; a translation was in the works, the game was even advertised briefly in Nintendo Power and elsewhere as ''Secret of Mana 2''... and then Square decided to shift development resources elsewhere, to things like ''VideoGame/SecretOfEvermore'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG''. A lot of fans are ''still'' bitter about this, and worse, it is now the '''''only''''' major ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' game to never get an overseas release (even its ''prequel'' got one). A fan translation is readily available, however.
14th Apr '15 3:12:19 AM Windrays
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* NightmareFuel: Zable. Fucking. Fahr. Three demonic, human-sized clown heads that want you to be not alive anymore. [[http://www.spriters-resource.com/download/6482/ Take a gander if you want.]]

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* NightmareFuel: Zable. Fucking. Fahr. Three demonic, human-sized gigantic clown heads that want you to be not alive anymore. [[http://www.spriters-resource.com/download/6482/ Take a gander if you want.]]
14th Apr '15 3:08:27 AM Windrays
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* NightmareFuel: Zable. Fucking. Fahr. Three demonic, human-sized clown heads that want you to be not alive anymore. [[http://www.spriters-resource.com/download/6482/ Take a gander if you want.]]
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