History YMMV / SandsOfDestruction

25th Apr '16 2:27:33 PM Sugao
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Don't ask fans if they like the [[VideoGame/SandsOfDestruction game]] or [[Anime/SandsOfDestruction anime]] better. '''''[[InternetBackdraft Don't.]]''''' The two are basically BroadStrokes adaptations to the point that they're AlternateContinuity; it helps nothing that production of the game began first, but the anime was released first, giving each a legitimate claim to being the "original" that the other changed.[[note]]It also helps nothing that there's a few hints in the game that characterizations may have originally been closer to the anime but were later changed: notice, for example, that Morte is extremely quiet and serious in the opening movie, whereas in the game proper she's a GenkiGirl, and Rhi'a is seen walking around with Naja but is never alone with him in the game's plot; the opening 3D movie would have likely been rendered early in production, and while changing a few sprites around is easy (the animations on the sprite sheet all exist no matter when or where you want to use them), it would be more trouble to reanimate a 3D scene, leaving the opening movie a relic of the game's "original" state that the anime was based on.[[/note]] The girls, in particular, have a problem with their personalities changing: in the anime, Morte is serious and driven and Rhi'a is TriggerHappy, whereas in the game, Morte is a [[PsychopathicWomanChild gleeful]] MadBomber [[spoiler:(even after she changes her mind about ending the world, she's still really upbeat)]] and Rhi'a is calm and mysterious. There's also the issue of voices; many fans of the game play it on a ROM simply because it offers the option to patch the voices back to the original Japanese.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Don't ask fans if they like the [[VideoGame/SandsOfDestruction game]] or [[Anime/SandsOfDestruction anime]] better. '''''[[InternetBackdraft Don't.]]''''' The game and anime are basically BroadStrokes adaptations to the point that they're AlternateContinuity; it helps nothing that production of the game began first, but the anime was released first, giving each a legitimate claim to being the "original" that the other changed. The girls, in particular, have a problem with their personalities changing: in the anime, Morte is serious and driven and Rhi'a is TriggerHappy, whereas in the game, Morte is a [[PsychopathicWomanChild gleeful]] MadBomber [[spoiler:(even after she changes her mind about ending the world, she's still really upbeat)]] and Rhi'a is calm and mysterious. Fans are divided on which personality set is "better" or truer to characterization (though, internally, they're pretty consistent; it's just comparing the game VS the anime). There's also the issue of voices and the great SubbingVSDubbing debate.



* {{Moe}}: Kyrie, again.

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* {{Chickification}}: Morte falls prey to it in the final chapters. At the outset of the story, she's extremely competent and more than capable of taking care of herself in a fight. However, after she remembers [[spoiler:that she's the Princess of Guiadance]], she suddenly seems to ''forget'' all her fighting skills - including basic things like ''how to jump'', as she was capable of making a tremendous leap while saving Kyrie from Rajif, but is unable to jump from the top deck of a ship to a nearby walkway to save herself. This seems to serve no purpose other than to give CanonImmigrant Kou a single chance to be heroic and save her for Kyrie. She ''attempts'' to rejoin the fight after this, but [[spoiler:is quickly killed, triggering Kyrie to turn Vreveil into Swiss cheese.]] Compared to the game, which allowed Kyrie to grow a spine so they could become an equal BattleCouple, and even to the anime, which at least had both Taupy and Morte playing the part of BadassInDistress for Kyrie to save, the manga seems to be writing solely towards a certain male demographic who believes firmly that MenActWomenAre - particularly since, compared to the other adaptations, Rhi'a also loses her fighting spirit, but at least she's internally consistent and doesn't come off as a FauxActionGirl.
* {{Moe}}: Kyrie, again.again.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The [[Manga/SandsOfDestruction manga]] gets less flak, perhaps simply for being less well-known and never receiving any official release. Morte's insanity is dialed up a few notches from the game, but Rhi'a is the one who really changes, becoming a complete CloudcuckooLander whose only real purpose is to be the PluckyComicRelief; her fans were less than amused. Morte being subject to extreme {{Chickification}} at the end probably didn't help with readers who liked having a strong female lead, either.
28th Mar '16 10:28:09 PM Sugao
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: The game opens with Morte and the World Annihilation Front attacking Viteaux like a bunch of BombThrowingAnarchists. You're [[IntroOnlyPointOfView in control of Naja]] and are supposed to fight her off and save the town, but the girl is having ''way'' too much fun either way. With the way Naja and his jerkish superior Rajif keep calling her a terrorist, she'd make an ''excellent'' poster girl for any sort of terrorist group: "Be a terrorist! [[StuffBlowingUp Blow stuff up!]] '''It's fun!'''" At least it does help you feel more sympathetic towards Kyrie for falling in LoveAtFirstSight: that kind of enthusiasm can be infectious, even coming from a PsychopathicWomanChild. [[spoiler:And, thankfully, she keeps her upbeat, determined personality even after changing her mind about destroying the world, proving that good doesn't have to be boring.]]



* {{Moe}}: Kyle more so in the anime and manga than the video game.
* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie gets a lot of flack for being an ActionSurvivor and DistressedDude who tries to calm everyone down and talk his way out of fights instead of jumping in blade first. It doesn't help that his companions are both extremely skilled in combat while his skills lie in the culinary arts (and, unlike the game, he never weaponizes poisonous food). That time he defended a fellow human prisoner from an abusive feral prison guard? [[SarcasmMode Totally didn't happen]]. He's even derided for wearing a suit of armor (you know, ''being sensible'') when forced in a colosseum. He finally takes a level in the finale, which lead to quite a few fans wondering why he couldn't be like that for the whole series.

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* {{Moe}}: Kyle Kyrie, even more so in the anime and manga than the video game.
* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie gets a lot of flack for being an ActionSurvivor and DistressedDude who tries to calm everyone down and talk his way out of fights instead of jumping in blade first. It doesn't help that his companions are both extremely skilled in combat while his skills lie in the culinary arts (and, unlike the game, he never weaponizes poisonous food). That time he defended a fellow human prisoner from an abusive feral prison guard? [[SarcasmMode Totally didn't happen]]. He's even derided for wearing a suit of armor (you know, ''being sensible'') when forced in a colosseum. He finally takes a level in the finale, which lead to quite a few fans wondering why he couldn't be like that for the whole series.series.

!! The Manga

* {{Moe}}: Kyrie, again.
8th Feb '16 10:09:07 PM Sugao
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* ObviousBeta: While the game is very playable, it's still got a few issues. Most of them are purely graphical and result in characters who [[OffModel are not quite the color they should be]] - note, for example, that [[http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/106/1062013/sands-of-destruction-20100119054610026.jpg Morte's hair isn't the same color between her sprite and portrait]] (is it ''that'' difficult to use the eyedropper in Photoshop and make sure your palettes are consistent?). The game also has a ridiculous number of RandomEncounters; the rate was supposedly adjusted for the American release, but it's still pretty high. And while the story is perfectly serviceable, it lacks a certain amount of polish, particularly when compared to the staff's previous ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}''.
6th Jun '15 1:14:01 AM Sugao
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* EsotericHappyEnding: The ending of the game is unambiguously meant to be happy: Kyrie has control of his PowerIncontinence, the [[SandIsWater Sand Sea]] is [[spoiler:now filled with water (and therefore much more liveable) and it's]] no longer trying to swallow all the continents to help end the world, humans are no longer [[FantasticRacism oppressed by Ferals]], and [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl best of all]], he and Morte (who no longer wishes to end the world) are a happy OfficialCouple. Well, great, except the epilogue doesn't show ''any'' Ferals except [[OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding Taupy, Rhi'a, and Naja]]. What happened to the rest? [[spoiler:Rhi'a is seen chasing after a house cat who resembles Felis Rex, so perhaps they've been turned into ordinary animals - a fitting end to those who were oppressive, sure, but the game points out that Ferals are as diverse as humans in personality; some are cruel and some are kind.]] On top of that, the only reason Kyrie has control of his powers is ThePowerOfLove, and he and Morte are teenagers: what happens if they break up, like so many other teenagers tend to do? Worse yet, [[spoiler:the Crimson Sun gave Morte the Destruct Code that controls Kyrie's powers, and]] the only reason she's [[LoveRedeems no longer interested in ending the world]] is because Kyrie is WorthLivingFor; she's still shown to be temperamental and prone to acting before she thinks. So if Kyrie ever falls out of love and breaks her heart, she's [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum likely to end the world in a fit of anger]] because she now knows ''exactly'' how to do it, and he'd be powerless to stop her. Oops.
25th May '15 7:06:46 AM MechWarrior
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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie isn't the most manly of men: he ApologizesALot, he's a ReluctantWarrior, he follows the whims of a very destructive girl because he fell in LoveatFirstSight but never tries to get in her panties, favoring verbal confessions of love to anything physical. If you flipped the genders of the leads, you'd have a very typical story about a gentle soul whose LoveRedeems, but with the male as the patient LoveMartyr, fans get annoyed. At least one reviewer blamed Kyrie's demeanor for the entire reason he didn't enjoy the game. This is despite the fact that, unlike the anime, Kyrie ''is'' a legitimate fighter here and is capable with his knives; he would just really rather not use them.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie isn't the most manly of men: he ApologizesALot, he's a ReluctantWarrior, he follows the whims of a very destructive girl because he fell in LoveatFirstSight LoveAtFirstSight but never tries to get in her panties, favoring verbal confessions of love to anything physical. If you flipped the genders of the leads, you'd have a very typical story about a gentle soul whose LoveRedeems, but with the male as the patient LoveMartyr, fans get annoyed. At least one reviewer blamed Kyrie's demeanor for the entire reason he didn't enjoy the game. This is despite the fact that, unlike the anime, Kyrie ''is'' a legitimate fighter here and is capable with his knives; he would just really rather not use them.
25th May '15 7:06:15 AM MechWarrior
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* ValuesDissonance: The reason for the ExecutiveMedling is that they feared the original draft, with humans being kept as livestock and eaten, would garner a Z rating in Japan. While Western markets may have only rated the game as T or 12+ (so long as there was [[GoryDiscretionShot no actual eating on screen]] or dismembered bodies for sale in the marketplace the way human butchers display animal parts, for example), [[http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/116964/QA_Sands_of_Destruction_Team_Talks_Battle_System_Story_Creation.php they felt they should make the game first and foremost for the Japanese market]], which simply wouldn't allow those things in any but the most restricted ratings.

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* ValuesDissonance: The reason for the ExecutiveMedling ExecutiveMeddling is that they feared the original draft, with humans being kept as livestock and eaten, would garner a Z rating in Japan. While Western markets may have only rated the game as T or 12+ (so long as there was [[GoryDiscretionShot no actual eating on screen]] or dismembered bodies for sale in the marketplace the way human butchers display animal parts, for example), [[http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/116964/QA_Sands_of_Destruction_Team_Talks_Battle_System_Story_Creation.php they felt they should make the game first and foremost for the Japanese market]], which simply wouldn't allow those things in any but the most restricted ratings.
30th Apr '15 10:21:42 PM Sugao
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* HypeBacklash: Most reviewers have come to the agreement that, taken on its own merits as a stand-alone game, ''Sands of Destruction'' is pretty good, or at least SoOKItsAverage. Unfortunately, having well-known names behind fan favorites like ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' and ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' had fans chomping at the bit in anticipation and feeling more than a bit let down when the game didn't live up to their expectations. This, coupled with the fact that most previews [[SupposedlyRebelliousSeries played up the "gonna end the world" angle]] that Kyrie never really gets behind, really took the wind out of its sails.


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* SupposedlyRebelliousSeries: A common complaint against the game is that it was hyped that ''you're out to destroy the world''. Well, scratch that: your LoveInterest may want to destroy the world [[spoiler:up until the point she doesn't]], but ''you'' are not so interested. As it turns out, [[spoiler:no, you ''don't'' destroy the world - you ''fix'' it, magically turning sand to water and eliminating racism in one go]]. Of course, there's another part of the BrokenBase who decided that if the world is so awful it needs destroyed, then [[EightDeadlyWords they don't care what happens]].
16th Apr '15 1:31:57 PM Sugao
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* UselessUsefulSpell: Kyrie's ''Porta Clausa''. It negates all damage for three turns! Sounds like an awesome way to turn your party into an invincible killing machine, yeah? Well, no, it also negates damage done to your enemies, so in practice it just makes the battle three turns longer. The only way it would be useful is if you needed to heal the entire party and needed a few turns to do that, but Kyrie has ''another'' Life Skill that heals everyone, dispels all status effects, ''and'' revives all fallen members in one go.



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie isn't the most manly of men: he ApologizesALot, he's a Reluctan Warrior, he follows the whims of a very destructive girl because he fell in LoveatFirstSight but never tries to get in her panties, favoring verbal confessions of love to anything physical. If you flipped the genders of the leads, you'd have a very typical story about a gentle soul whose LoveRedeems, but with the male as the patient LoveMartyr, fans get annoyed. At least one reviewer blamed Kyrie's demeanor for the entire reason he didn't enjoy the game. This is despite the fact that, unlike the anime, Kyrie ''is'' a legitimate fighter here and is capable with his knives; he would just really rather not use them.
* TheWoobie: Kyle.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie isn't the most manly of men: he ApologizesALot, he's a Reluctan Warrior, ReluctantWarrior, he follows the whims of a very destructive girl because he fell in LoveatFirstSight but never tries to get in her panties, favoring verbal confessions of love to anything physical. If you flipped the genders of the leads, you'd have a very typical story about a gentle soul whose LoveRedeems, but with the male as the patient LoveMartyr, fans get annoyed. At least one reviewer blamed Kyrie's demeanor for the entire reason he didn't enjoy the game. This is despite the fact that, unlike the anime, Kyrie ''is'' a legitimate fighter here and is capable with his knives; he would just really rather not use them.
* TheWoobie: Kyle.
Kyrie.
3rd Apr '15 11:21:08 PM Sugao
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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie isn't the most manly of men: he ApologizesALot, he's a Reluctan Warrior, he follows the whims of a very destructive girl because he fell in LoveatFirstSight but never tries to get in her panties, favoring verbal confessions of love to anything physical. If you flipped the genders of the leads, you'd have a very typical story about a gentle soul whose LoveRedeems, but with the male as the patient LoveMartyr, fans get annoyed. At least one reviewer blamed Kyrie's demeanor for the entire reason he didn't enjoy the game. This is despite the fact that, unlike the anime, Kyrie ''is'' a legitimate fighter here and is capable with his knives; he would just really rather not use them.



* {{Moe}}: Kyle more so in the anime and manga than the video game.

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* {{Moe}}: Kyle more so in the anime and manga than the video game.game.
* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Kyrie gets a lot of flack for being an ActionSurvivor and DistressedDude who tries to calm everyone down and talk his way out of fights instead of jumping in blade first. It doesn't help that his companions are both extremely skilled in combat while his skills lie in the culinary arts (and, unlike the game, he never weaponizes poisonous food). That time he defended a fellow human prisoner from an abusive feral prison guard? [[SarcasmMode Totally didn't happen]]. He's even derided for wearing a suit of armor (you know, ''being sensible'') when forced in a colosseum. He finally takes a level in the finale, which lead to quite a few fans wondering why he couldn't be like that for the whole series.
30th Mar '15 12:55:06 AM Sugao
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* ThatOneBoss: Any boss that flies, namely Jade Zephyr, Aquila Rex, and Noctua Rex. Noctua Rex is the worst, because he starts on the ground and if you air-toss him, normally a good thing, HE DOESN'T COME BACK DOWN. Also Serpens Rex, who prevents you from using your [[strike: LimitBreak]] Special Attack because [[spoiler: you're also fighting Morte, who results in a NonStandardGameOver if killed]]
* ThatOneSidequest: Agan's Rite of Ascension to become chief. The sand whale you need to defeat, Dark Crown, is an easy AnticlimaxBoss, but the sand is also full of [[BossInMookClothing Desert Kings]] who are ''ridiculously'' overpowered. You'll likely have to face multiple Desert Kings before the Dark Crown will make his appearance, given the RandomEncounters.



* ThatOneBoss: Any boss that flies, namely Jade Zephyr, Aquila Rex, and Noctua Rex. Noctua Rex is the worst, because he starts on the ground and if you air-toss him, normally a good thing, HE DOESN'T COME BACK DOWN. Also Serpens Rex, who prevents you from using your [[strike: LimitBreak]] Special Attack because [[spoiler: you're also fighting Morte, who results in a NonStandardGameOver if killed]]
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