History YMMV / Sable

17th Aug '17 11:16:09 PM McJeff
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* SmurfetteBreakout: Perhaps the first woman to do this in WWE, eclipsing Marc Mero in popularity, and pretty much wrecking his career in the process.

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* SmurfetteBreakout: Perhaps the first woman to do this in WWE, eclipsing Marc Mero in popularity, and pretty much popularity. She indirectly wrecking his career in the process.process - men on the roster (including Wrestling/SteveAustin) refused to sell for Mero since, in their minds, selling for a man who sold for a woman would make them look bad.
9th May '17 4:11:32 PM thecarolinabull01
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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, [[Wrestling/StacyCarter The Kat]], [[Wrestling/TerriRunnels Terri]], [[Wrestling/DebraMarshall Debra]] etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, [[Wrestling/StacyCarter The Kat]], [[Wrestling/TerriRunnels Terri]], [[Wrestling/DebraMarshall Debra]] etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.
4th Dec '16 5:10:35 PM fearlessnikki
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* FairForItsDay: Despite Sable being pushed for her looks and the division evolving into T&A matches to make up for her lack of wrestling ability, she was hugely popular. She was popular enough to be pushed as a face of the company, something which women had rarely been able to do in WWE. The only other woman to achieve such popularity had been Wendi Richter back in the 80s. Like her or not, she did result in the women's division getting revived.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** When she returned in 2003, Wrestling/TrishStratus was at her peak. She was considered Sable's SpiritualSuccessor, and a few Diva fans got disappointed that they didn't feud. Granted Trish could actually wrestle, so that would have been tricky, but they never even interacted for the two years that they were in the same company.
** Some fans got hopeful that on the 1000th episode of Raw, when Stephanie [=McMahon=] returned as part of the Triple H vs Brock Lesnar feud, that Sable could have also made a one-night return to get into a CatFight with Stephanie.
14th Sep '16 2:45:22 PM Gimere
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* BaseBreaker: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful a troubling new trend]], or else proved that women could still be stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to return.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful a troubling new trend]], or else proved that women could still be stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to return.
24th Jul '16 6:33:29 PM thecarolinabull01
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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, [[Wrestling/StacyCarter The Kat]], [[Wrestling/TerriRunnels Terri]], [[Wrestling/{{Debra}} etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, [[Wrestling/StacyCarter The Kat]], [[Wrestling/TerriRunnels Terri]], [[Wrestling/{{Debra}} [[Wrestling/DebraMarshall Debra]] etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.
24th Jul '16 6:32:37 PM thecarolinabull01
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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, The Kat, Terri, Debra etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, [[Wrestling/StacyCarter The Kat, Terri, Debra Kat]], [[Wrestling/TerriRunnels Terri]], [[Wrestling/{{Debra}} etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.
20th Feb '16 2:40:20 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* VindicatedByHistory: A lot of her career is vilified by history, but people are more sympathetic to her attempts to jump to WCW, not only because she was planned to be part of a WCW angle that had to be scrapped, but because "Independent Contractors" and how pro wrestling companies in the USA such misuse the term, became a hot button topic thanks to TNA and Wrestling/{{R|ingOfHonor}}OH disputes years later.

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* VindicatedByHistory: A lot of her career is vilified by history, but people are more sympathetic to her attempts to jump to WCW, not only because she was planned to be part of a WCW angle that had to be scrapped, but because "Independent Contractors" and how pro wrestling companies in the USA such misuse the term, became a hot button topic thanks to TNA and Wrestling/{{R|ingOfHonor}}OH disputes years later.
16th Nov '15 12:49:03 PM thecarolinabull01
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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Eva Marie would have been just as popular as Sable, The Kat, Terri, Debra etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Eva Marie Wrestling/EvaMarie would have been just as popular as Sable, The Kat, Terri, Debra etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.
25th Mar '15 9:13:33 PM johnnyfog
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* BaseBreaker: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting a troubling new trend - or else proved that women could still be stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to return.

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* BaseBreaker: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting [[ScrewTheRulesImBeautiful a troubling new trend - trend]], or else proved that women could still be stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to return.
15th Feb '15 5:57:27 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* BaseBreaker: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting a troubling new trend - or else proved that women could become stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to follow.
* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and TNA's Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Eva Marie would have been just as popular as Sable, The Kat, Terri, Debra etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.

to:

* BaseBreaker: She either is responsible for WWE officials placing looks over wrestling talent and starting a troubling new trend - or else proved that women could become still be stars in WWE, opening doors for legitimate wrestlers to follow.
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* DeaderThanDisco: The idea of a Sable-type in WWE these days; a beautiful woman learning a couple of moves and being pushed as a legit wrestler. Thanks to the success of WWE's women's division during the Ruthless Aggression Era and TNA's Wrestling/{{TNA}}'s Knockouts Division - and a rise in prominence for women's indie promotions - Sable's matches became a bit of an OldShame for wrestling fans. Case in point: Eva Marie would have been just as popular as Sable, The Kat, Terri, Debra etc. back in the Attitude Era. But she's booed out of buildings these days for this very reason.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: These days, when WWE is full of supermodel gorgeous women, it's a little hard to see why she was so popular. But back then, Sable was one of the first stunningly beautiful women to be seen in WWE. Ditto for how the crowd reacted to her simply kicking Goldust at ''Wrestle Mania XIV''. Back then people were shocked that such a beautiful lady could also be an ActionGirl. These days, not so much.
** Sable was also unique for the time in that she was presented as a woman who would stand up for herself, no matter what. The very idea that a female in WWE would feud with a male and ''wrestle him herself'' in matches was shocking. This was a full year before Chyna got to join the men's division and have matches of her own. Sable arguably helped open doors for intergender matches to happen in WWE at least. The reason so many girls would cite Sable as their idol was because she gave women a role model in the form of an actual wrestler, rather than a valet. And she did this without compromising her beauty or femininity at all.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny
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These days, when WWE is full of supermodel gorgeous women, it's a little hard to see why she was so popular. But back then, Sable was one of the first stunningly beautiful women to be seen in WWE. Ditto for how the crowd reacted to her simply kicking Goldust at ''Wrestle Mania XIV''. Back then people were shocked that such a beautiful lady could also be an ActionGirl. These days, not so much.
** Sable was also unique for the time in that she was presented as a woman who would stand up for herself, no matter what. The very idea that a female in WWE would feud with a male and ''wrestle him herself'' in matches was shocking. This was a full year before Chyna got to join the men's division and have matches of her own. Sable arguably helped open doors for intergender matches to happen in WWE at least. The reason so many girls would cite Sable as their idol was because she gave women a role model in the form of an actual wrestler, rather than a valet. And she did this without compromising her beauty or femininity at all.all.
* SmurfetteBreakout: Perhaps the first woman to do this in WWE, eclipsing Marc Mero in popularity, and pretty much wrecking his career in the process.
* VindicatedByHistory: A lot of her career is vilified by history, but people are more sympathetic to her attempts to jump to WCW, not only because she was planned to be part of a WCW angle that had to be scrapped, but because "Independent Contractors" and how pro wrestling companies in the USA such misuse the term, became a hot button topic thanks to TNA and Wrestling/{{R|ingOfHonor}}OH disputes years later.
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