History YMMV / RomeoAndJuliet

25th Sep '17 12:12:58 AM papyru30
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** Though it should be noted that the original script doesn't specify who he was trying to stab just that Mercutio was stabbed under Romeo's arm.
11th Sep '17 9:09:01 AM SteveMB
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** On a similar note, the Friar. In his first appearance, he scolds Romeo for falling for a girl he just met, while completely forgetting about the girl he was talking about two days ago. In his next appearance, he calls out Romeo for [[{{Wangst}} whining]], and tells him to suck it up and look on the bright side.

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** On a similar note, the Friar. In his first appearance, he scolds Romeo for falling for a girl he just met, while completely forgetting about the girl he was talking about two days ago. In his next appearance, he [[QuitYourWhining calls out out]] Romeo for [[{{Wangst}} whining]], and tells him to suck it up and look on the bright side.
12th Jul '17 1:29:42 AM CharlesPhipps
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*** Although it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the talk about Juliet's marriage was ''meant'' to come off as awful, especially all that jazz about how thirteen-year-olds having babies is awesome. Elizabethans knew darn well that younger than she happy mothers are ''not'' made, even without the benefit of modern medicine. Girls of Juliet's high social status certainly married that young for economic or political reasons (see below), but it would have been considered at the very least stupid if not immoral to actually consummate the marriage before a few years had passed.

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*** Although it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the talk about Juliet's marriage was ''meant'' to come off as awful, especially all that jazz about how thirteen-year-olds having babies is awesome. Elizabethans knew darn well that younger than she happy mothers are ''not'' made, even without the benefit of modern medicine. Girls of Juliet's high social status certainly married that young for economic or political reasons (see below), but it would have been considered at the very least stupid if not immoral to actually consummate the marriage before a few years had passed. Hell, it's also ''in the text'' as Juliet's father is really off-put by Paris' desire to marry Juliet and says they should wait a couple of years at least.
30th May '17 2:16:08 PM cordychase
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***Although it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the talk about Juliet's marriage was ''meant'' to come off as awful, especially all that jazz about how thirteen-year-olds having babies is awesome. Elizabethans knew darn well that younger than she happy mothers are ''not'' made, even without the benefit of modern medicine. Girls of Juliet's high social status certainly married that young for economic or political reasons (see below), but it would have been considered at the very least stupid if not immoral to actually consummate the marriage before a few years had passed.
16th May '17 3:21:28 PM fearlessnikki
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** Paris can vary in characterization depending on how the production presents him. Some will show him as a {{Jerkass}} to justify Juliet fleeing her proposal, while others could show him just as yet another victim in the feud. Notably his role in the play is to be an obstacle preventing the lovers from being together, yet not out of any maliciousness of his own.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Tybalt sometimes receives this treatment. Especially when he's portrayed by a sufficiently attractive or charismatic actor. In the Zeffirelli version, he's played by a young Michael York. Creator/AlanRickman has also played the role.
** In the 1996 version, almost literally, as he's dressed in tight-fitting black pants, with sharply tailored jackets and... very tight vest tops.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Tybalt sometimes receives this treatment. Especially when he's portrayed by a sufficiently attractive or charismatic actor. In the Zeffirelli version, he's played by a young Michael York. Creator/AlanRickman has also played the role.
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role. In the 1996 version, almost literally, as he's dressed in tight-fitting black pants, with sharply tailored jackets and... very tight vest tops.



** The Nurse is also a well-liked character with some great lines. Doubly so if the actress playing her is a LargeHam.

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** The Nurse is also a well-liked character with some great lines. Doubly so if the actress playing her is a LargeHam. Back in the Golden Age of Hollywood, Edna May Oliver turned down a chance to star in ''Show Boat'' just to play the Nurse in a film.



* IronWoobie: The Nurse. Despite having lost her husband, daughter, surrogate daughter and very close kinsman, she is possibly the least {{angst}}y character in the play.

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* IronWoobie: The Nurse. Despite having lost her husband, daughter, surrogate daughter and very close kinsman, she is possibly the least {{angst}}y character in the play. Her Woobie status is even bigger in the original tale, where she gets banished after the death of the lovers.



* SignatureScene: The balcony scene.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Is the TropeCodifier in the Western canon. While it's considered one of Shakespeare's best plays, as well as one of the greatest written works ever, let's face it; the title characters are the textbook definition of this. They fall in LoveAtFirstSight and are immediately making out at the Capulet's party. Okay, not so bad. However, Romeo goes from [[{{Wangst}} wangsting]] over breaking up with Rosaline earlier that afternoon to being engaged to marry Juliet later that night, and Juliet is so in love with him that she's willing to fake her own death to keep from marrying Paris. Lampshaded by Friar Lawrence when he says "Young men's love lies not in their hearts but in their eyes." A popular interpretation is that part of the tragedy is these two kids mistaking their shallow youthful lust for true love.
* TooCoolToLive: Mercutio. Legend goes that Shakespeare once claimed that he "had to kill Mercutio before Mercutio killed him."
** This is referenced in ''Film/ShakespeareInLove'', where Shakespeare tells the LargeHam leader of the acting company (Creator/BenAffleck) that Mercutio is the ''lead'' while the play is still a work in progress.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Some fans tend to be a little too hard on the two lovers. Romeo and Juliet are essentially two kids who want to date and get to know each other better. But because of the stupid feud that their elders have prolonged, they're forced to do some rash and stupid things in the hopes of being together. The Aesop that the young often have to suffer for the mistakes of the old tends to be lost on people who just blame the kids.
* SignatureScene: The balcony scene.
scene is the most often quoted, referenced and parodied scene in Shakespeare's plays. Say "what light through yonder window breaks" and 99% of people will get the reference at once.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Is the TropeCodifier in the Western canon. While it's considered one of Shakespeare's best plays, as well as one of the greatest written works ever, let's face it; the title characters are the textbook definition of this. They fall in LoveAtFirstSight and are immediately making out at the Capulet's party. Okay, not so bad. However, Romeo goes from [[{{Wangst}} wangsting]] over breaking up with Rosaline earlier that afternoon to being engaged to marry Juliet later that night, and Juliet is so in love with him that she's willing to fake her own death to keep from marrying Paris. Lampshaded by Friar Lawrence when he says "Young men's love lies not in their hearts but in their eyes." A popular interpretation is that part of the tragedy is these two kids mistaking their shallow youthful lust for true love.
love. It's worth noting that the original tale the play is based on has the romance unfolding over several months, making it a bit more believable.
* TooCoolToLive: Mercutio. Legend goes that Shakespeare once claimed that he "had to kill Mercutio before Mercutio killed him."
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" This is referenced in ''Film/ShakespeareInLove'', where Shakespeare tells the LargeHam leader of the acting company (Creator/BenAffleck) that Mercutio is the ''lead'' while the play is still a work in progress.



* ValuesDissonance: Juliet is ''only thirteen and already getting married'', not to mention her parents are trying to push her into an ArrangedMarriage (whether she wants it or not). Whilst the brawls and murders are treated with some gravity, the idea that characters would be easily carrying swords around and killing each other off at the drop of a hat would, likewise, be ''unthinkable'' today. Some modern adaptations have the rival families be criminal gangs that would be more inclined to carry weapons and kill at a moments notice in order to mitigate the latter.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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Juliet is ''only thirteen and already getting married'', not to mention her parents are trying to push her into an ArrangedMarriage (whether she wants it or not). Whilst the brawls and murders are treated with some gravity, the idea that characters would be easily carrying swords around and killing each other off at the drop of a hat would, likewise, be ''unthinkable'' today. Some modern adaptations have the rival families be criminal gangs that would be more inclined to carry weapons and kill at a moments moment's notice in order to mitigate the latter.latter.
** Some modern viewers also tend to miss the gravity of Juliet's betrothal to Paris. A betrothal was essentially a business merger - and it meant that the Capulets stood to gain either money or political favour by marrying Juliet to Paris. Juliet refusing to marry him is not simply turning down a date she doesn't like; it's deciding the fate of their entire estate and family. ''That'' is what Lord Capulet is so furious about when Juliet tries to delay the marriage.
* ValuesResonance: The moral of the story that parents end up passing on their mistakes to their kids is a timeless one, as is the plot of teenagers DatingWhatDaddyHates - and the disastrous results. That's one of the many reasons this play has endured over the years.
7th May '17 8:01:42 PM SoapheadChurch
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* ItWasHisSled: They both commit suicide.



* MisaimedFandom: A ridiculous number of people with bad reading comprehension skills (or that haven't actually read the play) [[CompletelyMissingThePoint think that this is the way to have a relationship,]] ignoring the fact that the couple ''dies'' at the end.
** It reads more as a ''{{deconstruction}}'' of the typical StarCrossedLovers plot.
** On the other hand, there's people who assume it's not actually a love story and that Romeo and Juliet are just stupid teenagers who should have listened to their parents, even though those parents are too busy being locked in a completely pointless feud to really do any sort of parenting (which is a big cause of why Romeo and Juliet's relationship is doomed) and even though their lines about being in love are some of the best poetry Shakespeare's written. Romeo and Juliet mishandled their love for each other, but they were in love.

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* MisaimedFandom: A ridiculous number of people with bad reading comprehension skills (or that haven't actually read the play) [[CompletelyMissingThePoint think that this is the way to have a relationship,]] ignoring the fact that the couple ''dies'' at the end.
** It reads more as a ''{{deconstruction}}'' of the typical StarCrossedLovers plot.
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end. On the other hand, there's people who assume it's not actually a love story and that Romeo and Juliet are just stupid teenagers who should have listened to their parents, even though those parents are too busy being locked in a completely pointless feud to really do any sort of parenting (which is a big cause of why Romeo and Juliet's relationship is doomed) and even though their lines about being in love are some of the best poetry Shakespeare's written. Romeo and Juliet mishandled their love for each other, but they were in love.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: For some, it's hard to feel sorry for Romeo and Juliet at the end of the play, considering that their misery is partially their own fault.
** The "unintentionally" is the YMMV part. Very few of Shakespeare's protagonists are written as particularly heroic or worthy of emulation, so it's entirely possible that you're not really [[ComedicSociopathy supposed to]] 'feel' for them, necessarily.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: For some, it's hard to feel sorry for Romeo and Juliet at the end of the play, considering that their misery is partially their own fault.
** The "unintentionally" is the YMMV part. Very
fault. Of course, very few of Shakespeare's protagonists are written as particularly heroic or worthy of emulation, so it's entirely possible that you're not really [[ComedicSociopathy supposed to]] 'feel' for them, necessarily.
18th Feb '17 7:17:37 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Tybalt is the main antagonist of the story, but in the Zeffirelli version, when his friends drag him away from his fight with Mercutio, you can see clear shock on his face as he realizes he has actually stabbed Mercutio, suggesting that [[JerkassFacade most of his villainy was nothing more than posturing]] and that he never meant to really hurt anyone.

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** Tybalt is the closest thing the story has to a main antagonist of the story, antagonist, but in the Zeffirelli version, when his friends drag him away from his fight with Mercutio, you can see clear shock on his face as he realizes he has actually stabbed Mercutio, suggesting that [[JerkassFacade most of his villainy was nothing more than posturing]] and that he never meant to really hurt anyone.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Tybalt sometimes receives this treatment. In the Zeffirelli version, he's played by a young Michael York. Creator/AlanRickman has also played the role.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Tybalt sometimes receives this treatment. Especially when he's portrayed by a sufficiently attractive or charismatic actor. In the Zeffirelli version, he's played by a young Michael York. Creator/AlanRickman has also played the role.



* MoralEventHorizon: Tybalt crosses it by killing Mercutio with a cheap shot, thus setting off a chain of events leadig directly to the DownerEnding. This is softened in some adaptations, including the Zeffirelli version, where Tybalt kills him ''accidentally'' while trying to knife Romeo (who was trying to intervene) and is somewhat horrified upon realizing who he had wounded.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Tybalt crosses it by killing Mercutio with a cheap shot, thus setting off a chain of events leadig directly to the DownerEnding. This is [[AdaptationalHeroism softened in some adaptations, adaptations]], including the Zeffirelli version, where Tybalt kills him ''accidentally'' ''[[AccidentalMurder accidentally]]'' while trying to knife Romeo (who was trying to intervene) and is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone somewhat horrified horrified]] upon realizing who he had wounded.
11th Feb '17 4:14:20 PM TristanJeremiah
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* ItWasHisSled: The titular couple die at the end. This play is more this trope than the TropeNamer, being OlderThanFuedalism.

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* ItWasHisSled: The titular couple die at the end. This play is more this trope than the TropeNamer, being OlderThanFuedalism.OlderThanPrint
11th Feb '17 4:11:59 PM TristanJeremiah
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* ItWasHisSled: The titular couple die at the end. This play is more this trope than the TropeNamer, being OlderThanFuedalism.
21st Jan '17 6:06:52 PM shatterstar
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* MemeticMutation: "Parting is such sweet sorrow that I shall say goodnight till it be morrow." This line is widely used and quoted to express a pair of lovers have to leave each other.
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