History YMMV / Rome

18th Apr '16 4:13:56 PM Farnham
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** It's hard not to feel a little sorry for Pompey as his army is defeated and his forces disintegrate around him, especially when you see him doing everything he can to keep his family's spirits up as hope for finding some refuge dwindles.

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** It's hard not to feel a little sorry for Pompey as his army is defeated and his forces disintegrate around him, especially when you see him doing everything he can to keep his family's spirits up as hope for finding some refuge dwindles. By the time Vorenus and Pullo encounter and capture him, he is a completely broken man.
18th Apr '16 4:08:23 PM Farnham
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The [[LaserGuidedKarma Laser-Guided Karmic]] DeathByIrony of Brutus, stabbed by several people in the same time, as he stands in the middle of them, like Caesar. Aeschylus' anvil [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped needed to be dropped]] : "By the sword you did your work, and by the sword you die".

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The [[LaserGuidedKarma Laser-Guided Karmic]] DeathByIrony of Brutus, stabbed by several people soldiers of Caesar's old legion in the same time, as he stands in the middle of them, like Caesar. Aeschylus' anvil [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped needed to be dropped]] : "By the sword you did your work, and by the sword you die".
2nd Mar '16 12:00:45 PM fgenzo159
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The [[LaserGuidedKarma Laser-Guided Karmic]] DeathByIrony of Brutus, stabbed by several people in the same time, as he stands in the middle of them, like Caesar. Aeschylus' anvil [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped needed to be dropped]] : "By the sword you did your work, and by the sword you die".
28th Feb '16 3:02:39 PM creader
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Definitely in episode 11, when Lucius Vorenus jumps into the gladiator arena to aid Titus Pullo.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Several oneliners, such as: "I was at an orgy, Mother."
27th Feb '16 4:23:52 AM fgenzo159
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* GeniusBonus: Many, many, many. While there's plenty of historical inaccuracies, there's just as many where a student of Rome (or just a well informed viewer) can get an extra kick. Case in point, Caesar's demand that the Egyptians pay back "Seventeen thousand thousand ''drachma''" is a bit more impressive if you know he's demanding the equivalent of six hundred and fifty million dollars, in cash. Or Atia's reference to sending Servilia a well-endowed slave and "six barrels of ice." Six barrels of ice, in Roman times, would have been worth a small fortune: Atia is sending Servilia the same things Atia herself prizes, sex and money (money being, in some ways, the same as power). Or the references to slaves "buying their freedom." Roman slaves were required by law to be paid a small stipend-nothing like a wage, let alone a living wage as we would think of it, but a supply of money nonetheless. Some, especially skilled tradesmen, managed to save enough to buy themselves, making them freed men.

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* GeniusBonus: Many, many, many. While there's plenty of historical inaccuracies, there's just as many where a student of Rome (or just a well informed viewer) can get an extra kick.
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Case in point, Caesar's demand that the Egyptians pay back "Seventeen thousand thousand ''drachma''" is a bit more impressive if you know he's demanding the equivalent of six hundred and fifty million dollars, in cash. Or cash.
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Atia's reference to sending Servilia a well-endowed slave and "six barrels of ice." Six barrels of ice, in Roman times, would have been worth a small fortune: Atia is sending Servilia the same things Atia herself prizes, sex and money (money being, in some ways, the same as power). Or the references
** References
to slaves "buying their freedom." Roman slaves were required by law to be paid a small stipend-nothing like a wage, let alone a living wage as we would think of it, but a supply of money nonetheless. Some, especially skilled tradesmen, managed to save enough to buy themselves, making them freed men.
** All politicians and old Roman gens mentioned fits in the context. For example, in Greece, when Pompey and his senators are discussing how they will share power, since [[TemptingFate Caesar will soon be crushed]], they talk about Lucius Manlius Torquatus, Marcus Terrentius Varro, Titus Labienus and Lucius Scribonius Libo. All four of them were real supports of Pompey, that all went to Greece with him, some having defected from Caesar's side.
26th Feb '16 10:47:30 PM fusilcontrafusil
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The show presents one for Brutus. Instead of a righteous crusader who kills Caesar out of a sense of duty, he's a MommasBoy with an OedipusComplex who gets duped into killing Caesar (his [[ParentalSubstitute surrogate father]], and his mom's lover) because of a petty family feud that he wants nothing to do with.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The show presents one for Brutus. Instead of a [[Theatre/JuliusCaesar righteous crusader crusader]] who kills Caesar out of a sense of duty, he's a MommasBoy with an OedipusComplex who gets duped into killing Caesar (his [[ParentalSubstitute surrogate father]], and his mom's lover) because of a petty family feud that he wants nothing to do with.
24th Aug '15 4:55:52 AM Morgenthaler
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** In-universe, this is also the reaction of Octavia and her friend Jocasta when they walk into the house and find Atia and her men bloodily torturing a servant boy.
24th Aug '15 4:50:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* DawsonCasting: Early in the series, 16-year-old Max Pirkis played then 11-year-old Octavian. By the time his character's age caught up with him in season 2, he looked too young to play an adult Octavian, so they replaced him with 27-year-old Simon Woods starting at an episode where Octavian should be 21.



* WordOfGod [[spoiler: says Vorenus survived his wound in the last episode]].
24th Aug '15 4:46:36 AM Morgenthaler
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** And Atia, albeit much less clever than she thinks she is, loves manipulating anyone she can, from her enemies to her children, without remorse.
*** In the second season, Octavian beats them all, shaming both his mother Atia and Marc Antony in one move, before reassigning Marc Antony to Egypt.

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** And Atia, albeit much less clever than she thinks she is, loves manipulating anyone she can, from her enemies to her children, without remorse.
*** ** In the second season, Octavian beats them all, manipulating every other faction to, successively, destroy his political enemies in Rome, have Brutus and Cassius killed for conspiring together in the death of his late father Caesar, then shaming both his mother Atia and Marc Antony in one move, move before reassigning Marc Antony to Egypt.Egypt, and finally getting rid of both Antony and Cleopatra to secure Egypt and become Rome's first Princeps to end the civil wars for good.
20th Aug '15 11:55:03 AM adbrown
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* MagnificentBastard: Caesar, Mark Antony, Servilia and Atia, who is an awesomely magnificent ''bitch''. In the second season, Octavian puts every other Magnificent Bastard in the show to shame.

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* MagnificentBastard: Caesar, MagnificentBastard:
** Caesar manages to not just subdue the entire nation of Gaul, but spin that victory into the Senate trying to effectively excommunicate him.. which was ''exactly what he wanted'' as an excuse to march on Rome. Once there, he bribes the priests to say the gods are on his side, establishes a benevolent dictatorship, and forgives most of his enemies, all to undermine their position.
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Mark Antony, Servilia Antony is less politically savvy, but even more audacious. First episode, when given a half talent (50 pounds) of gold for a certain mission, he distributes half to a lower officer and tells him "There's a quarter talent there, for bribes and such," stealing the rest. When in Rome, he pretty much openly threatens anyone who disagrees with him or Caesar. But in polite terms:
--> '''Mark Antony''': I ''shall'' be a good politician... even if it kills me. Or if it kills anyone else, for that matter.
** Servilia, after Caesar dumped her, went on revenge rampage--not against him, but mostly against the key woman in his household. She infiltrated Atia's house to try to kill her, tried to turn her children against her, and [[spoiler: committed suicide in front of Atia as part of a death curse.]]
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Atia, who is an awesomely magnificent ''bitch''. albeit much less clever than she thinks she is, loves manipulating anyone she can, from her enemies to her children, without remorse.
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In the second season, Octavian puts every other Magnificent Bastard beats them all, shaming both his mother Atia and Marc Antony in the show one move, before reassigning Marc Antony to shame.Egypt.
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