History YMMV / RobinHood

4th Oct '17 6:18:57 PM Pichu-kun
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* PopularWithFurries: Before ''Zootopia'', this was probably ''the'' shining example. A very common thing to hear from a lot of furries was that this was their earliest memory and possibly their first foray into the fandom's main interest. It definitely helped that it was released on VHS at a time when the Internet boom was only a few years down the road. Many furries who grew up in the 70s through mid 90s cite this film as an influence on them. However, its influence however has dwindled with time. It's still quite popular but often gets overlooked in exchange for other films like ''The Lion King'', ''Kung Fu Panda'', or ''Zootopia''. Maid Marian and Robin Hood still get a good amount of fanworks nevertheless.

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* PopularWithFurries: Before ''Zootopia'', this was probably ''the'' shining example. A very common thing to hear from a lot of furries was that this was their earliest memory and possibly their first foray into the fandom's main interest. It definitely helped that it was released on VHS at a time when the Internet boom was only a few years down the road. Many furries who grew up in the 70s through mid 90s cite this film as an influence on them. However, its influence however has dwindled with time. It's still quite popular but often gets overlooked in exchange for other films like ''The Lion King'', ''Kung Fu Panda'', or ''Zootopia''. Maid Marian and Robin Hood still get a good amount of fanworks nevertheless.
28th Aug '17 1:56:04 PM Pichu-kun
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* CultClassic: The film is considered by most to be [[SoOkayItsAverage average at best]], but it does have its fans. It helps that it became the second of the Disney Animated Canon's '70s entries to hit VHS and laserdisc[[note]]''Disney/TheManyAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'' became the first, but went out of print for quite a few years, in favor of Disney giving each short its own VHS.[[/note]], and came back to VHS quite a few times afterwards. Robin Hood himself got a SpiritualSuccessor in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'s'' Nick Wilde.
** It notably has a large PeripheryDemographic in the FurryFandom for obvious reasons.

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* CultClassic: The film is considered by most to be [[SoOkayItsAverage average at best]], but it does have its fans. It helps that it became the second of the Disney Animated Canon's '70s entries to hit VHS and laserdisc[[note]]''Disney/TheManyAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'' became the first, but went out of print for quite a few years, in favor of Disney giving each short its own VHS.[[/note]], and came back to VHS quite a few times afterwards. Robin Hood himself got a SpiritualSuccessor in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'s'' Nick Wilde.
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Wilde. It notably has a large PeripheryDemographic in the FurryFandom for obvious reasons.



* HoYay: Sir Hiss cheers up Prince John by using his tongue to tickle Prince John's ear, and when Little John in disguise befriends Prince John, Sir Hiss was extremely jealous. Hiss doesn't do it intentionally (he is a ''snake'', after all), and while it does tickle PJ, he finds it annoying. On the other hand, the fact that Hiss sleeps in John's bedroom with him, for no discernible reason, is a bit...questionable. (He trusted him ''that'' much?)
** And he identifies Robin Hood at the tournament by ''looking up into his disguise''. From the rear.

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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Sir Hiss cheers up Prince John by using his tongue to tickle Prince John's ear, and when Little John in disguise befriends Prince John, Sir Hiss was extremely jealous. Hiss doesn't do it intentionally (he is a ''snake'', after all), and while it does tickle PJ, he finds it annoying. On the other hand, the fact that Hiss sleeps in John's bedroom with him, for no discernible reason, is a bit...questionable. (He trusted him ''that'' much?)
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much?) And he identifies Robin Hood at the tournament by ''looking up into his disguise''. From the rear.



* MemeticMutation: Anyone remember The Hampster Dance? Guess what the original sample was from.

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Anyone remember The Hampster Dance? Guess what the original sample was from.



* PopularWithFurries: Before ''Zootopia'', this was probably ''the'' shining example. A very common thing to hear from a lot of furries was that this was their earliest memory and possibly their first foray into the fandom's main interest. It definitely helped that it was released on VHS at a time when the Internet boom was only a few years down the road.

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* PopularWithFurries: Before ''Zootopia'', this was probably ''the'' shining example. A very common thing to hear from a lot of furries was that this was their earliest memory and possibly their first foray into the fandom's main interest. It definitely helped that it was released on VHS at a time when the Internet boom was only a few years down the road. Many furries who grew up in the 70s through mid 90s cite this film as an influence on them. However, its influence however has dwindled with time. It's still quite popular but often gets overlooked in exchange for other films like ''The Lion King'', ''Kung Fu Panda'', or ''Zootopia''. Maid Marian and Robin Hood still get a good amount of fanworks nevertheless.
4th Aug '17 4:47:24 AM Hawaii_Knut
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** Sir Hiss recognizing Robin's disguise by looking up his ass. The ''WesternAnimation/{{Megaman}}'' series had a similar occurrence with Megaman recognizing Gutsman when Rush tore off a part of his disguise, revealing his butt. This spawned the [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/gutsmans-ass Gutman's ass]] meme that ended up as one of the most widespread ''Franchise/{{Megaman}}'' memes out there.
2nd Aug '17 7:29:31 PM ClintEastwood
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* ReplacementScrappy: Kate, who as the replacement of Marian (as Robin's girlfriend), Djaq (as the girl of the group) and Will (as the voice of the peasantry) was utterly ''doomed'' to embody this trope. It didn't help that she was also a text-book example of a FauxActionGirl, everybody's SatelliteLoveInterest and TheLoad, with a knack for getting kidnapped, a ridiculous hairstyle, a whiny voice, and the InformedAbility of [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/robinhood/characters/kate.shtml an imagination]]. She was not a very popular character.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Kate, who as the replacement of Marian (as Robin's girlfriend), Djaq (as the girl of the group) and Will (as the voice of the peasantry) was utterly ''doomed'' to embody this trope. It didn't help Before ''a single episode'' featuring her had aired, she was being criticised in the fandom as a poor replacement and a CanonSue; pre-publicity material frequently described her as "feisty" and hinted that she would become Robin's new love interest. The first episode she appears in was also duly broadcast, and the same fans said "See, we were right." Technically, those fans ''were'' right. Kate's character ''was'' a text-book example of blatant CanonSue, as well as a FauxActionGirl, everybody's SatelliteLoveInterest and TheLoad, a SatelliteLoveInterest, and the centrepiece of several TrappedByMountainLions plots. Half the outlaws fell in love with a knack her for no reason, she was constantly getting kidnapped, a ridiculous hairstyle, a whiny voice, kidnapped and then [[UnwantedRescue inexplicably cross when people rescued her]], and had no useful skills or personality to speak of that went beyond "[[strike: grumpy]] feisty village girl." Much of the InformedAbility fandom were willing to give her a chance (as well as being sympathetic to the actress playing her) but she never got any better. And let's face it, any original female character who is brought in for the [[SatelliteLoveInterest sole purpose]] of [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/robinhood/characters/kate.shtml an imagination]]. She was replacing the legendary Maid Marian as Robin Hood's love interest is '''doomed''' to be despised for the crime of not being Marian. Why did the writers even ''try''? It may well be the only case in which hating a very popular character.character for being a replacement is totally justified.
29th Jul '17 9:15:33 PM MagBas
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* CharacterDerailment:
** The second series of Robin Hood had character development from everyone, but most notably Guy of Gisborne, who, by the penultimate couple of episodes, is risking his own life to stand up for what he believes in and to defend others; something he would never have done back in the day. This is mostly because of his love for Marian, and he repeatedly defies the Sheriff for Marian's sake. Marian shows Guy friendship, despite working against him in secret, and is very very good at keeping her double-agent status secret. In the finale, Marian suddenly begins flailing about like a muppet, yelling "I LOVE ROBIN HOOD! I'M GOING TO MARRY ROBIN HOOD!" [[spoiler:Guy then stabs her through the gut and rides off]]. ''Two'' characters derailed for the price of one!
** It seems to run in the family. Isabella, who seems intelligent, helpful and rational. Robin begins a relationship with her, but when she encourages him to run away with her, he tells her that his loyalties lie with England and the mission. She responds by picking up the nearest sword and trying to kill him. As you do.
21st Jul '17 6:47:28 PM ClintEastwood
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* DamselScrappy: Kate. Kate. A hundred times Kate!

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* DamselScrappy: Kate. Kate. A hundred times Kate!Kate! She's pushy, loud and generally useless, where in contrast Marian was an ActionGirl who at least had the dignity to be right when she was pushy, and was never louder than was needed. And yes, true to the trope, all of Kate's numerous kidnappings were due to her inability to keep up, defend herself, or know when to keep her mouth shut. In her capacity as a "damsel" scrappy, she's been captured by guards more times in one season than any of the other outlaws have in three. The words: "Where's Kate?" could be a drinking game.
21st Jul '17 6:44:31 PM ClintEastwood
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* TasteLikeDiabetes: The series occasionally strays into this sort of territory with its uplifting messages and such. Then the writers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to have an episode filling in Robin and Guy's backstory. Cue Child!Robin developing his addiction to vomit-inducingly-noble stances while throwing out tax collectors.

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* TasteLikeDiabetes: TastesLikeDiabetes: The series occasionally strays into this sort of territory with its uplifting messages and such. Then the writers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to have an episode filling in Robin and Guy's backstory. Cue Child!Robin developing his addiction to vomit-inducingly-noble stances while throwing out tax collectors.
21st Jul '17 6:42:06 PM ClintEastwood
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Kate was brought into the show in order to replace Maid Marian [[spoiler:(killed at the end of season two)]]. It's astonishing that nobody on the writing staff realized that trying to replace an iconic LoveInterest with an OriginalCharacter was a ''terrible'' idea, and that it would have taken a screenwriting ''miracle'' to pull it off. Already pegged as a ReplacementScrappy to a beloved central character, things went downhill when Kate was introduced as a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous]] [[JerkassSue Jerkass]], [[FauxActionGirl Faux Action]] [[TheLoad Load]] and [[TheDitz Ditzy]] [[DamselScrappy Damsel]]. Not only an egregious CanonForeigner into the mythos of RobinHood, [[TrappedByMountainLions completely irrelevant]] to the StoryArc, and the DesignatedVictim that [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complained every time someone rescued her from her own stupidity]], the real problem stemmed from the fact that she was ''completely and utterly'' '''useless'''. Her pre-outlaw occupation was to sell hideous pots to a village that was undoubtedly more concerned about where their next meal was coming from, her attempts to “save” her brother from enforced conscription [[NiceJobBreakingItHero lead directly to his death]], and she never did anything to justify her place amongst the outlaws (at best she stood and watched, [[TheMillstone at worst she got captured and criticised them on how they handled her rescue]]), and yet still the other outlaws [[CharacterShilling shilled]] her to the skies. Everything that could go wrong, ''did'' go wrong with the writing of this character, to the point where you wonder if it was done on purpose.

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** Kate was brought into the show in order to replace Maid Marian [[spoiler:(killed at the end of season two)]]. It's astonishing that nobody on the writing staff realized that trying to replace an iconic LoveInterest with an OriginalCharacter was a ''terrible'' idea, and that it would have taken a screenwriting ''miracle'' to pull it off. Already pegged as a ReplacementScrappy to a beloved central character, things went downhill when Kate was introduced as a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous]] [[JerkassSue Jerkass]], [[FauxActionGirl Faux Action]] [[TheLoad Load]] and [[TheDitz Ditzy]] [[DamselScrappy Damsel]]. Not only an egregious CanonForeigner into the mythos of RobinHood, [[TrappedByMountainLions completely irrelevant]] to the StoryArc, and the DesignatedVictim that [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complained every time someone rescued her from her own stupidity]], the real problem stemmed from the fact that she was ''completely and utterly'' '''useless'''. Her pre-outlaw occupation was to sell hideous pots to a village that was undoubtedly more concerned about where their next meal was coming from, her attempts to “save” her brother from enforced conscription [[NiceJobBreakingItHero lead directly to his death]], and she never did anything to justify her place amongst the outlaws (at best she stood and watched, [[TheMillstone at worst she got captured and criticised them on how they handled her rescue]]), and yet still the other outlaws [[CharacterShilling shilled]] her to the skies. Everything that could go wrong, ''did'' go wrong with the writing of this character, to the point where you wonder if it was done on purpose.
21st Jul '17 5:45:15 PM ClintEastwood
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* CharacterDerailment:
** The second series of Robin Hood had character development from everyone, but most notably Guy of Gisborne, who, by the penultimate couple of episodes, is risking his own life to stand up for what he believes in and to defend others; something he would never have done back in the day. This is mostly because of his love for Marian, and he repeatedly defies the Sheriff for Marian's sake. Marian shows Guy friendship, despite working against him in secret, and is very very good at keeping her double-agent status secret. In the finale, Marian suddenly begins flailing about like a muppet, yelling "I LOVE ROBIN HOOD! I'M GOING TO MARRY ROBIN HOOD!" [[spoiler:Guy then stabs her through the gut and rides off]]. ''Two'' characters derailed for the price of one!
** It seems to run in the family. Isabella, who seems intelligent, helpful and rational. Robin begins a relationship with her, but when she encourages him to run away with her, he tells her that his loyalties lie with England and the mission. She responds by picking up the nearest sword and trying to kill him. As you do.



* DesignatedHero:
** Robin got worse as the seasons went on. His "[[ThouShaltNotKill no-kill]]" policy was chucked out in the second season when it became apparent that he was prepared to kill in the name of King Richard (even if it meant shooting unarmed priests and mentally-deranged spies), and by the third season he was shooting guards in the back whilst ''still'' insisting that he only killed when he needed to. He also treated his outlaws like crap (especially poor Much), started a relationship with a girl he was barely interested in despite knowing that his best friend liked her, attacked a frightened woman in her own bedroom after she's had to kill a man in self-defence, and shot dead an executioner who was just doing his job (and ''then'' having the gall to tell the aforementioned woman that not only is ''she'' "a murderer" for killing a man who was threatening to rape/strangle her but that ''he'' only kills when he absolutely needs to).
** The third season also introduced Kate, who was shilled as brave, compassionate and altogether wonderful even though she was never anything but rude, nasty and shrill to everyone around her, and once demanded that a terrified woman be left to be raped and strangled by her sadistic husband, stating that "she doesn't deserve our help."



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In an early first season episode, reluctant hero Allan-a-Dale asks: "What is the point of all of us dying?" as a way of getting out of a rescue mission. In season three [[spoiler:he dies the [[DroppedABridgeOnHim most pointless, meaningless death imaginable]].]]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: FanPreferredCouple: The Guy/Marian ship ended with one half of it murdering the other. Doesn't stop the shippers.
* FightSceneFailure: When Marian punches out Guy of Gisborne at the altar, her fist ''clearly'' doesn't connect with his face. Other fight scenes amongst the outlaws were rather clumsy, particularly whenever Robin blocked a sword-blow from an opponent with his bow. ''It's made of wood, people!'' And the fight between Robin and Guy in "Tattoo, What Tattoo?" involves both actors obligingly lining themselves up for the other one to more easily punch them.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: The moment that the writers became more interested in Guy of Gisborne (and specifically, his volatile relationship with Maid Marian) than with every single other character on the show. This led to more and more screen-time being devoted to Guy and Marian as a potential couple, until the point where the writers (presumably) realized that they'd gone too far with it, and needed to derail it pronto. Their solution was for Guy to [[spoiler:stab Marian to death in a jealous rage at the end of Season 2]]. There are plenty of reasons why Season Three is considered terrible, but it's mainly because that without [[spoiler:Marian]], the story had absolutely no emotional center. There was simply nothing left to care about, or to look forward to.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
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In an early first season episode, reluctant hero Allan-a-Dale asks: "What is the point of all of us dying?" as a way of getting out of a rescue mission. In season three [[spoiler:he dies the [[DroppedABridgeOnHim most pointless, meaningless death imaginable]].]]



* GrowingTheBeard: The second season is generally considered to be of a much higher standard than the first, with a more consistent tone between episodes and better character development.



* HoYay: Much, much? Plus the Sheriff and Guy to [[spoiler: a considerable]] extent.
** And [[spoiler:Guy and Allan]] in series 2.
** Prince John.
** Robin and Guy, combining the trope with FoeYay, as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfwPa9rO5Q this]] proves.

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* HoYay: Much, much? Plus HoYay:
** There's quite a bit of homosexual subtext between
the Sheriff and Guy of Gisbourne. By season two, they must have known, as it features the Sheriff rolling onto Guy in bed, offering to [[spoiler: kiss him, bathing in front of him, and so on. And if you think it's coincidence, his first line of the season is, with his arms spread wide, "Tell me you'd rather have a considerable]] extent.
woman than all this!" He was referring to a map showing a large parcel of ill-gotten land, but still.
** Actually, the allegations of Robin Hood and his Merry Men being a little too "merry" for the Church's liking was what introduced Maid Marian into the legend.
** And [[spoiler:Guy and Allan]] in series 2.
** Prince John.
**
Robin and Much in the new series are a bickering married couple, most notably when Robin cradles a sobbing AntiVillain, after he realizes his personal reasons to want Robin dead are based on a lie, and Much complains, "You've never held ''me'' like that!"
** Then there's Allan/Will, who were extremely close during Season One and almost [[strike:eloped]] ran away together in the season finale. Technically, both of them had crushes on [[SweetPollyOliver Djaq]], but the fact that she spent the entire season disguised as a boy certainly muddied the water a little bit...
** Not to mention Guy/Allan. After a bout of torture (in which Guy throws a bucket of water over a [[ShirtlessScene shirtless]] Allan), Allan agrees to [[FaceHeelTurn provide inside information]] on Robin and the outlaws. Guy then proceeds to change his clothing in front of Allan, dress him up in matching black leather, and have an [[HomoeroticDream erotic dream]] about him. Even the Sheriff catches on, referring to Allan as "Gisborne's boy" and remarking "Kissing in the moonlight?" when he walks in on them together in the dark.
** In Season Three, Allan (who by this stage is well and truly the fandom's LittleBlackDress) is often paired with Much. Again, there was something of a LoveTriangle between the two of them and [[CreatorsPet Kate]], but the two of them seemed far more interested in each other, and half the fandom speculated that if it didn't work out with Kate, they were more than likely to start making out with each other instead.
** Finally, there's Robin/Guy, mixed with a hefty dose of FoeYay. They're all the other ever talks about, Robin ditches his new girlfriend Kate in order to go on a field-trip with
Guy, combining the trope and eventually Guy [[spoiler:dies in Robin's arms]]. For a second there, it honestly looks like Robin is going to kiss him goodbye.
* InferredHolocaust: The series ends
with FoeYay, as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfwPa9rO5Q this]] proves.[[spoiler:both Robin Hood and Maid Marian (and a couple of Merry Men) dead]], and the remaining outlaws promising to fight on in his name and defeat Prince John. The show was cancelled after this, but since history tells people that in a few years time the prince becomes King John, they obviously failed utterly (and may well have been killed in the attempt).



* JerkassWoobie: Guy of Gisborne stabs unarmed women, leaves babies in the woods to die, burns down houses, and sells his sister to a rapist. He's also arrogant, selfish, and has a vicious temper that causes mass suffering to him and everyone around him. And yet, whenever anyone shows him a shred of kindness, he blossoms like a delicate little flower in the sun...the fact that he's a DracoInLeatherPants doesn't hurt either.



* MoralEventHorizon: Guy [[spoiler:killing Marian]]. 'nuff said.



* NarmCharm:
** In the second season, during the death scene of [[spoiler:Marian]]. On the one hand, the build-up involves a confusing and contrived sequence of events, and the death scene itself is drawn out to an utterly ridiculous extent in which [[spoiler:Marian]] has a sword in her stomach and yet is able to carry on a completely coherent conversation for several minutes; on the other hand, [[spoiler:''Maid freaking Marian'']] is dying and the EmotionalTorque is OverNineThousand and [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt no one can believe it's really happening]] and it's the most horrible, devastating thing that's ever happened on any Mythology/RobinHood retelling ''ever''.
--> [[spoiler:'''Robin:''']] "We have forever, my love."\\
[[spoiler:'''Marian:''']] "I hope we have forever in heaven, because we didn't get enough time on earth."
** Topped only by their [[spoiler:TogetherInDeath]] scene at the very end of the series, which echoes their parting words:
--> '''Robin:''' My wife...\\
'''Marian''': Now and forever, my love.



* TheScrappy:
Kate was brought into the show in order to replace Maid Marian [[spoiler:(killed at the end of season two)]]. It's astonishing that nobody on the writing staff realized that trying to replace an iconic LoveInterest with an OriginalCharacter was a ''terrible'' idea, and that it would have taken a screenwriting ''miracle'' to pull it off. Already pegged as a ReplacementScrappy to a beloved central character, things went downhill when Kate was introduced as a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous]] [[JerkassSue Jerkass]], [[FauxActionGirl Faux Action]] [[TheLoad Load]] and [[TheDitz Ditzy]] [[DamselScrappy Damsel]]. Not only an egregious CanonForeigner into the mythos of RobinHood, [[TrappedByMountainLions completely irrelevant]] to the StoryArc, and the DesignatedVictim that [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complained every time someone rescued her from her own stupidity]], the real problem stemmed from the fact that she was ''completely and utterly'' '''useless'''. Her pre-outlaw occupation was to sell hideous pots to a village that was undoubtedly more concerned about where their next meal was coming from, her attempts to “save” her brother from enforced conscription [[NiceJobBreakingItHero lead directly to his death]], and she never did anything to justify her place amongst the outlaws (at best she stood and watched, [[TheMillstone at worst she got captured and criticised them on how they handled her rescue]]), and yet still the other outlaws [[CharacterShilling shilled]] her to the skies. Everything that could go wrong, ''did'' go wrong with the writing of this character, to the point where you wonder if it was done on purpose.
*** Luckily for Joanna Frogett who played Kate, her very next role was on ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' where she played Anna the maid, a far more beloved (and ''competent)'' character, which proved it wasn't the actress' fault for Kate's low popularity but poor writing.
** Tuck wasn't that popular either. Though he had least had the advantage over Kate of actually ''being'' in the legends upon which the show was based, it was abundantly clear that the writers introduced him without really knowing what they planned to do with him. After the first episode of the third series (in which he convinces Robin to return to the fight against injustice) he really doesn't do anything substantial. It might not have been so bad except that the writers would often focus on Kate and Tuck at the expense of the other outlaws (Much, Allan, John) who had been around since the beginning of the show and were now being [[SpotlightStealingSquad shoved aside in order to accommodate the newcomers]]. Thus Kate and Tuck not only got two character-centric episodes revolving around them, but were made out to be the two most important and trusted members of Robin's gang (Tuck taking John's place as TheLancer, and Kate nudging out Much as Robin's {{Sidekick}}, as well as his new LoveInterest) with no justification whatsoever.
* SeasonalRot: A number of contributing factors ensured that the third season not only earned the hatred of the fans, but the cancellation of the show. This included the new writers who apparently didn't bother to watch the previous two seasons, the [[AbortedArc dropping of long-term storylines]] from the show, the complete lack of mention of Will Scarlett and Djaq (who were abandoned in the Holy Land), the reimagining of [[strike:Friar]] Tuck as a MagicalNegro, the introduction of the [[JerkSue horrid Kate]] as a love interest for Robin, the reduction of the outlaws into bit-parts (whose only job was to babysit [[TheLoad Kate]] and [[CreatorsPet talk about how great she was]]), the abandonment of the "rob from the rich/give to the poor" premise, the painful introduction of Guy and Robin's [[LongLostRelative half-brother]] in an attempt to set up Robin Hood as a LegacyCharacter for a proposed Season Four, and finally, the mass cast exodus of all but two of the original cast members (who were disposed of in some of the [[DroppedABridgeOnHim worst deaths conceivable]]), who certainly weren't shy in voicing their displeasure at the direction the show had taken.



* TakeThatScrappy:
** Robin decides to work with Isabella, resulting in a snide: "She always gets what she wants" remark from Kate. Robin irritably snaps: "Just leave it Kate!" Unfortunately, Kate is eventually proved irrefutably right in her insistence that Isabella can't be trusted, and gets to say "Maybe next time you'll listen to me" and "I told you so," as well as receive an influx of CreatorsPet-shilling when Little John calls her "a treasure" and Robin tells her that she's "brave, compassionate and beautiful" before making out with her. This is ''after'' Kate [[DesignatedHero demands that Isabella be left to get raped and strangled at the hands of her abusive husband.]] Still, Robin's "shut up" was nice while it lasted....
** Several episodes later though, when Guy joins the team, he calmly informs Kate: "You don't have to like me. ''I'' don't like ''you.''"
** In the GrandFinale, Robin discovers [[spoiler:that he's been fatally poisoned]]. Kate attempts to give him a LastKiss, but he deliberately turns his face away, and a few moments later [[spoiler:is [[TogetherInDeath reunited with Marian]]]]. Kate has to settle for a one-armed hug, and when Robin leaves to [[spoiler:[[DyingAlone die alone]]]], he ''doesn't even look back''.
* TasteLikeDiabetes: The series occasionally strays into this sort of territory with its uplifting messages and such. Then the writers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to have an episode filling in Robin and Guy's backstory. Cue Child!Robin developing his addiction to vomit-inducingly-noble stances while throwing out tax collectors.



* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Meg]].

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: The entire cast in the third season, bless them. What had been a silly, campy show for its first two seasons (and which somehow managed to pull it off, thanks to the dignity of the actors) was now asking to be taken deadly seriously...whilst still including ridiculous scenarios such as a lion so old that it couldn't even walk in a straight line and Robin hang-gliding from the castle parapets. In fact, Allan-a-Dale's WTF reaction to the hang-gliding is clearly the moment when the actor decided he was quitting.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Meg]].Meg, a smart, spunky girl who shows intelligence, compassion and an endearing sense of entitlement that gets Guy of Gisborne to stop moping and rethink his priorities. Meg's counterpart Kate spends the entire episode sulking and moaning (as per usual) and tops it off by trying to manipulate a dangerous situation so that her romantic rival is killed off. Now, guess who dies and guess who survives the ''entire show''.



* TrappedByMountainLions: For two episodes in season three Guy of Gisborne was entirely absent due to Richard Armitage's commitments with ''{{Spooks}}''. The StoryArc couldn't proceed without him, which led to the writers marking off time with two negligible episodes in his absence, first in which the outlaws try to rescue a copy of [[McGuffin the Bible]] translated into English, and then in rescuing Kate multiple times from an evil tax collector. Excepting the contrivance of Kate joining the outlaws and some minor background for Tuck, neither episode adds anything to the arc of the season and can easily be skipped.

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* TrappedByMountainLions: For two episodes in season three Guy of Gisborne was entirely absent due to Richard Armitage's Creator/RichardArmitage's commitments with ''{{Spooks}}''.''Series/{{Spooks}}''. The StoryArc couldn't proceed without him, which led to the writers marking off time with two negligible episodes in his absence, first in which the outlaws try to rescue a copy of [[McGuffin the Bible]] translated into English, and then in rescuing Kate multiple times from an evil tax collector. Excepting the contrivance of Kate joining the outlaws and some minor background for Tuck, neither episode adds anything to the arc of the season and can easily be skipped.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Djaq. Oh my God, '''Djaq'''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Djaq. Oh my God, '''Djaq'''.Djaq was a SweetPollyOliver who played the {{Gender Flip}}ped role of the Saracen, brought from Jerusalem to England as a slave. She disguises herself as a boy, takes her twin brother's persona, and decides to join Robin and his outlaws as TheMedic. The potential here was breathtaking - not only could it been a great FishOutOfWater story, but Djaq effortlessly took the place as TheHeart of the group, had an intriguing dynamic with all her fellow outlaws (including a LoveTriangle that was vastly more interesting than [[RomanticPlotTumor Robin, Marian and Guy forever whinging at each other]]) and an endearing superiority complex that was completely at odds with the actress's tiny stature. She almost instantly become the show's EnsembleDarkHorse, only for the writers to completely ignore her, throw her into an [[StrangledByTheRedString abrupt relationship]] with Will Scarlett, write her out of the show, and [[ReplacementScrappy replace her]] with a JerkassSue who was [[CreatorsPet hated by all and sundry]], but who got twice as much screentime in one season than Djaq did in two.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** At the end of season two, Guy of Gisborne [[spoiler:stabbed Maid Marian to death]], sending his CharacterDevelopment and [[StoryArc Redemption Arc]] back to square one. Season Three tried to turn him into a HeartbrokenBadass, ignoring the fact that for a significant portion of the fanbase, he had already crossed the MoralEventHorizon when he ''stabbed Maid Marian to death'' and thus forfeited any right to the goodwill of the audience. Even [[Creator/RichardArmitage the actor]] hated him.
** The death of Kate's brother did not carry the emotional weight it should have done thanks to Kate's refusal to utilize common sense in her repeated attempts to rescue him. The writers were going for "headstrong" and "impulsive" in their characterization of Kate -- unfortunately, all they really managed was "stupid." The ridiculous swinging between {{Wangst}} and trying to romance Robin didn't help her either.
*** And the cherry on top is the fact that Kate's brother was killed by Guy, resulting in a scene in which the audience has no reason to care about anyone involved.
*** And the cherry on top of that cherry is that depending on how you see it, ''Kate'' is at fault as well for the murder. He died because she got captured trying to get him out of the army and he died trying to save ''her''. Some fans wonder if he might have survived had she just left him in the army.




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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The explosion that destroys Nottingham Castle in the finale.
* WhatAnIdiot:
** "Brothers in Arms": Guy of Gisborne confiscates a necklace from a woman so that he has a gift for Marian. Robin Hood tells Marian about its origin.\\
'''You'd expect''': Marian to return the necklace to its owner herself, and tell Guy that she does not accept stolen gifts.\\
'''Instead''': Marian gives the necklace to Robin, who returns it to its owner. Predictably, Sir Guy finds out and starts suspecting that Marian spies for Robin Hood. This starts the chain of events which ends with Marian being forced to promise to marry Guy, to dispel the suspicion.
** In the third series Robin meets Isabella, likes what he sees, implicitly trusts her, and starts up a sudden romantic relationship with her despite the fact that she's the sister of the man who killed [[spoiler: his wife.]]\\
'''You'd expect''': Robin to at least ''try'' and remember [[spoiler: his dead wife]] and the possibility that the sister of the man who murdered her might be just as untrustworthy, dangerous, and unhinged as her brother.\\
'''Instead''': He doesn't, and she [[spoiler:kills him.]]
** [[CreatorsPet Kate's]] introductory episode involves her attempting to save her brother's life by a) trying to move him in a conspicuous cart during the middle of enforced conscription instead of just hiding him in the house, b) screeching "there's nothing there, there's nothing there!" when Guy investigates the suspicious sight of a woman talking to what's meant to be an empty cart, c) sabotaging the outlaws' ambush to free her brother by rushing in and attacking the guards prematurely without even a weapon to defend herself with, d) abandoning the outlaws and sneaking into the castle by herself with no clear plan on what she intends to do, e) forgetting to take out the distinctive braid across her forehead that makes her instantly recognisable to Guy of Gisborne who orders her restrained, f) trying to cut a deal with Guy by revealing to him that Robin, the man who would have saved both her brother ''and'' the rest of the prisoners had Kate just ''let him'', is hiding amongst the prisoners, and g) flailing helplessly when Guy ends up killing her brother when he rushes to her defense, mistakenly believing that Kate is being threatened by Guy.\\
'''You'd expect''': Kate to learn a valuable lesson about the importance of patience, timing, competence, discretion, silence, and letting the professionals do their job without interference. Or, if she ''does'' really want to help, at least try to make herself useful to the group by training, learning other skills, etc.\\
'''Instead''': The next time a tax-collector comes to Locksley, she loudly and aggressively insults him in front of a large crowd of people, resulting in the destruction of her family's pottery business, her own capture and near-rape, and the audience being subjected to her presence for the rest of the series when the outlaws rescue her and then inexplicably invite her to join the team despite the fact that she's ''completely useless.''\\
'''Furthermore''': Why on earth did the outlaws want her on the team in the first place? All she ever did was bitch and moan at them, and act impossibly ungrateful whenever they went out of their way to save her life.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: It has Robin hang-gliding from the parapets of a castle, Maid Marian practicing Tai Chi outside her house, a mangy old lion set loose on Sherwood Forest, costumes that were apparently bought at The 11th century Gap, arrows that defy physics, berets, a black Friar Tuck, hair gel, a man who throws ninja stars, a casino (complete with show-girls), and a plug in the cellar of Nottingham Castle that is somehow able to stop the flow of the River Trent.
20th Jul '17 6:01:25 AM ClatoLawa
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* CriticalDissonance: It's very polarizing among critics and historians (and the Disney animators themselves), but nonetheless it was a big financial hit and has been loved by generations of Disney fans. It's also one of the higher-rated pre-Renaissance Disney films on Website/IMDb, at 7.6/10 (for further comparison, both ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' are at 7.5).

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* CriticalDissonance: It's very polarizing among critics and historians (and the Disney animators themselves), but nonetheless it was a big financial hit and has been loved by generations of Disney fans. It's also one of the higher-rated pre-Renaissance Disney films on Website/IMDb, at 7.6/10 (for further comparison, both ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' are is at 7.5).
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