History YMMV / RevolutionaryGirlUtena

20th Jul '17 11:01:50 AM idominatio2
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** If you're a more conservative fan, saying that the people who believe that the series criticises anything beyond gender roles is [[FanWank fanwanking]] at [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory least]] might get you death threats.
20th Jun '17 3:38:27 AM Scabbard
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** Abuse isn't always apparent or easy to identify. Also you often can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship, they have to do it themselves.

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** Abuse isn't always apparent or easy to identify. Also you often can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship, relationship- they have to do it themselves.
13th Jun '17 6:54:00 PM BatmanKalEl
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* RealWomenDontWearDresses: Both in the fandom and deconstructed in the series.
** Some ''Utena'' fans hate Anthy because she's a "weak", outwardly emotionless doll who claims to have no opinions outside of the Victor's whims. Others hate Anthy because they think she's ''too'' powerful and manipulative and "evil". Some just hate her because she gets to sleep with Akio [[GreenEyedMonster and they don't]] (often disregarding the [[QuestionableConsent consent]] [[RapeAsDrama issues]] in their relationship).
** Interestingly, all the kinds of Anthy-haters in the fandom are present in the story: Saionji batters her when she doesn't act as obedient as he wants her to, despite his claims that he loves her; Juri attacks her at one point because she reminds her of Shiori; Kanae feels threatened by her ExtremeDoormat persona and the fear that she may be more sinister, which isn't helped by Anthy's passive-aggressive slights against her; and several of the Black Rose Duelists envy her for "being loved" and "stealing their love interests", with [[spoiler:Wakaba]] going as far as ''seriously trying to kill her''; there's [[spoiler:Akio]], who needs to keep "his woman" under his control in order to keep playing the BigBad of the show... The people from Be-Papas really know how society views feminine archetypes, and those views are reflected in the Utena fandom.
** It's not just the haters; it's her fans too. Some fans, like the characters Miki or Utena until almost the end, see her as a classic DamselInDistress archetype for them to rescue/defend on forums and blogs in order to boost their own egos, often '''refusing''' to see that she is actually [[spoiler: the very incarnation of how victims of abuse ''[[HumansAreFlawed are human people]]'', and thus liable to lash out at the world and other people instead of just being perpetually sweet and innocent.]] Some of them have been spotted throwing massive fits when reminded that canon!Anthy '''''isn't''''' some helpless victim doll who never does anything wrong.
13th Jun '17 6:50:53 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Really, nearly ''everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, barring [[MagnificentBastard Akio]] and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]]
*** No, even Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].

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** Really, nearly ''everyone'' **''Everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, barring [[MagnificentBastard Akio]] and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]]
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Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].
13th Jun '17 6:48:50 PM BatmanKalEl
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* DistaffCounterpart: With its [[MindScrew surreal]] and deconstructive nature, DysfunctionJunction cast, and being highly open to interpretation; the series is often considered one to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. This is fitting considering that creator Creator/KunihikoIkuhara is friends with Evangelion creator Creator/HideakiAnno.
30th May '17 8:47:04 PM Seraphine
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* DistaffCounterpart: With its [[MindScrew surreal]] and deconstructive nature, DysfunctionJunction cast, and being highly open to interpretation; the series is often considered one to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. This is fitting considering that creator KunihikoIkuhara is friends with Evangelion creator Creator/HideakiAnno.

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* DistaffCounterpart: With its [[MindScrew surreal]] and deconstructive nature, DysfunctionJunction cast, and being highly open to interpretation; the series is often considered one to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. This is fitting considering that creator KunihikoIkuhara Creator/KunihikoIkuhara is friends with Evangelion creator Creator/HideakiAnno.


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* MoralEventHorizon: Saionji's [[spoiler: physical abuse of the Rose Bride]]. Akio's [[spoiler: rape of his sister]]. Nanami's childhood [[spoiler: murder of her brother's cat]]. Being as this is the world of Utena, [[DysfunctionJunction the list goes on and on]].
30th May '17 8:38:20 PM Seraphine
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** Related to the above point: many fans who idealize the "princes" in the series miss the point that '''the entire concept of "prince" is just as heavily deconstructed and as the entire concept of "princess"''', with '''''both''''' being shown as incredibly problematic in several ways, and that ''even the way Utena herself plays the prince role is very flawed'' because [[spoiler: [[WhiteKnight she was doing it]] [[ItsAllAboutMe to bolster her own ego]], without any real consideration for ''her "damsel" Anthy's'' feelings.]] Even more meaningfully, [[spoiler: she eventually [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone comes to realize her mistake]] and makes up for it via ''actually'' helping Anthy and giving her back her hope, instead of just whiteknighting for her]].

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** Related to the above point: many fans who idealize the "princes" in the series miss the point that '''the entire concept of "prince" is just as heavily deconstructed and as the entire concept of "princess"''', with '''''both''''' being shown as incredibly problematic in several ways, and that ''even the way Utena herself plays the prince role is very flawed'' because [[spoiler: [[WhiteKnight she was doing it]] it [[ItsAllAboutMe to bolster her own ego]], without any real consideration for ''her "damsel" Anthy's'' feelings.]] Even more meaningfully, [[spoiler: she eventually [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone comes to realize her mistake]] and makes up for it via ''actually'' helping Anthy and giving her back her hope, instead of just whiteknighting for her]].



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23rd May '17 10:39:15 PM diamynk
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** Though the issues surrounding her skin might lie more on the fact that a clearly darker skinned character--in the series--being lightened quite a few shades more to fit a type of palette insinuates the fact that dark skin couldn't fit the color scheme of the movie and for many, finding dark skinned women characters shown in a positive light in media is already difficult is as, making the flack pretty understandable.
18th May '17 5:46:27 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: Not with Utena's character, but how nearly all the major male characters in the series are full on villains has been criticized by the fanbase in recent years.
7th May '17 11:11:45 AM Demongodofchaos2
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* UnfortunateImplications: Not with Utena's character, but how nearly all the major male characters in the series are full on villains has been criticized by the fanbase in recent years.
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