History YMMV / RevolutionaryGirlUtena

20th Apr '18 6:06:55 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Akio Ohtori]] is the epitome of heartless, callous selfishness. Once the heroic Dios, Akio grew [[FallenHero disillusioned]] with being the hero and allowed his sister Anthy to be tortured for what amounts to centuries. As one of the prime figures at Ohtori Academy in the present, Akio [[TheCasanova seduces]] many high ranking figures (including his fiancées [[IBangedYourMom mother]]) in order to [[ManipulativeBastard manipulate them]], and runs the Rose Duels that essentially pimp his sister Anthy to the victors, abusive or otherwise. Akio gains a cold enjoyment out of [[MindRape mentally ripping apart]] those near him, including his fiancée, who it's possible he's physically poisoning to get her out of the way. He views Anthy as nothing more than a means to ultimate power and when at one point she's hesitant to [[BrotherSisterIncest continue their weekly tryst]] one night, he angrily rapes her anyways. Akio seduces Utena and takes her virginity, manipulating her feelings for him to send her into a final confrontation to be sacrificed for his "revolution," where [[AGodAmI he will rise above the world]]. Akio views people around him as nothing more than [[TheChessmaster pawns or toys]], to be mentally or physically used and discarded as his plans or his whims demand.

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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad [[Characters/RevolutionaryGirlUtenaAkioOhtori Akio Ohtori]] is the epitome of heartless, callous selfishness. Once the heroic Dios, Akio grew [[FallenHero disillusioned]] with being the hero and allowed his sister Anthy to be tortured for what amounts to centuries. As one of the prime figures at Ohtori Academy in the present, Akio [[TheCasanova seduces]] many high ranking figures (including his fiancées [[IBangedYourMom mother]]) in order to [[ManipulativeBastard manipulate them]], and runs the Rose Duels that essentially pimp his sister Anthy to the victors, abusive or otherwise. Akio gains a cold enjoyment out of [[MindRape mentally ripping apart]] those near him, including his fiancée, who it's possible he's physically poisoning to get her out of the way. He views Anthy as nothing more than a means to ultimate power and when at one point she's hesitant to [[BrotherSisterIncest continue their weekly tryst]] one night, he angrily rapes her anyways. Akio seduces Utena and takes her virginity, manipulating her feelings for him to send her into a final confrontation to be sacrificed for his "revolution," where [[AGodAmI he will rise above the world]]. Akio views people around him as nothing more than [[TheChessmaster pawns or toys]], to be mentally or physically used and discarded as his plans or his whims demand.
27th Dec '17 3:26:11 PM idominatio2
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Many'' of the dueling themes, plus a good chunk of the movie soundtrack.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Many'' of the dueling duelling themes, plus a good chunk of the movie soundtrack.


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*** [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] [[spoiler:she has been rendered borderline insane and barely has grips of herself.]]


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*** On a balanced opinion on him, he's an asshole that hits the scrappy heap on [[spoiler:his manipulation of his own sister but he isn't heartless as Akio and seems to be able to redeem himself, it also seems that he genuinely loves his sister but he was played like a fiddle by Akio's enchantments just like almost everyone else and he betrays Akio the moment he's called out on this.]]


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** Nanami, while her unbalanced mental state isn't questioned; is she a spoiled RichBitch that wants everything her way or a pampered girl that, when push comes to shove she, surprisingly, of all people proves to have morals if skewed points of view.


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** Nanami's Egg episode... the whole thing.


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*** The fact that his assholishness is rather animalistic and lacks control makes him look less of a jerkass compared to sociopathic and manipulative Akio and Touga.
27th Dec '17 2:46:22 PM idominatio2
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** Nanami qualifies ''big time'' by episodes 31 and 32. She's such a terrible, obsessive, yet ultimately ''pitiful'' little bitch.

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** Nanami qualifies ''big time'' by episodes 31 and 32. She's such a terrible, obsessive, yet ultimately ''pitiful'' little bitch.young girl.
5th Sep '17 6:39:53 PM QueenofSwords
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*** That first point arguably ends up working in the series' favor, as the uneasiness many Western viewers feel as a result of Anthy's skin color and status as property/DamselInDistress goes hand in hand with the feeling that something is ''just not right'' about Anthy and Utena's situation, particularly Anthy's extreme passivity and Utena's savior complex towards her. So the ValuesDissonance, while likely unintentional, ends up reinforcing the series' themes.
20th Aug '17 6:35:06 AM Anddrix
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ''Series/TwinPeaks'' meets ''Anime/SailorMoon''.
** ''Anime/SailorMoon'' meets ''Franchise/{{Highlander}}'' meets [[spoiler:Film/TheShawshankRedemption]]. (Think about it.)
13th Aug '17 1:54:45 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ''Series/TwinPeaks'' meets ''Anime/SailorMoon''.
** ''Anime/SailorMoon'' meets ''Franchise/{{Highlander}}'' meets [[spoiler:Film/TheShawshankRedemption]]. (Think about it.)
20th Jul '17 11:01:50 AM idominatio2
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** If you're a more conservative fan, saying that the people who believe that the series criticises anything beyond gender roles is [[FanWank fanwanking]] at [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory least]] might get you death threats.
20th Jun '17 3:38:27 AM Scabbard
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** Abuse isn't always apparent or easy to identify. Also you often can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship, they have to do it themselves.

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** Abuse isn't always apparent or easy to identify. Also you often can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship, relationship- they have to do it themselves.
13th Jun '17 6:54:00 PM BatmanKalEl
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* RealWomenDontWearDresses: Both in the fandom and deconstructed in the series.
** Some ''Utena'' fans hate Anthy because she's a "weak", outwardly emotionless doll who claims to have no opinions outside of the Victor's whims. Others hate Anthy because they think she's ''too'' powerful and manipulative and "evil". Some just hate her because she gets to sleep with Akio [[GreenEyedMonster and they don't]] (often disregarding the [[QuestionableConsent consent]] [[RapeAsDrama issues]] in their relationship).
** Interestingly, all the kinds of Anthy-haters in the fandom are present in the story: Saionji batters her when she doesn't act as obedient as he wants her to, despite his claims that he loves her; Juri attacks her at one point because she reminds her of Shiori; Kanae feels threatened by her ExtremeDoormat persona and the fear that she may be more sinister, which isn't helped by Anthy's passive-aggressive slights against her; and several of the Black Rose Duelists envy her for "being loved" and "stealing their love interests", with [[spoiler:Wakaba]] going as far as ''seriously trying to kill her''; there's [[spoiler:Akio]], who needs to keep "his woman" under his control in order to keep playing the BigBad of the show... The people from Be-Papas really know how society views feminine archetypes, and those views are reflected in the Utena fandom.
** It's not just the haters; it's her fans too. Some fans, like the characters Miki or Utena until almost the end, see her as a classic DamselInDistress archetype for them to rescue/defend on forums and blogs in order to boost their own egos, often '''refusing''' to see that she is actually [[spoiler: the very incarnation of how victims of abuse ''[[HumansAreFlawed are human people]]'', and thus liable to lash out at the world and other people instead of just being perpetually sweet and innocent.]] Some of them have been spotted throwing massive fits when reminded that canon!Anthy '''''isn't''''' some helpless victim doll who never does anything wrong.
13th Jun '17 6:50:53 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Really, nearly ''everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, barring [[MagnificentBastard Akio]] and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]]
*** No, even Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].

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** Really, nearly ''everyone'' **''Everyone'' can fit here to one degree or another, barring [[MagnificentBastard Akio]] and those characters who are already TheWoobie (or IronWoobie, in the case of Utena herself), although some of them place ''heavy'' emphasis on the "jerkass" part. 90% of the cast is violently off their rocker. [[LoveHurts Good luck]] [[DarkAndTroubledPast holding it]] [[UnwittingPawn against them.]]
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Akio. [[UsedToBeaSweetKid At least in his past.]] Thousands of years ago, he was worked to exhaustion protecting all of the young women of the world, receiving as a reward, not thanks, but instead more demands. In the end, this completely broke him and turned him into the total asshole he is today. What we see are the actions of a [[FallenHero powerful immortal being who has lost his faith in humanity due to how he was treated by them]].
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