History YMMV / RedFaction

15th Sep '17 9:03:12 PM nombretomado
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** The [=EDF=] as rather brutal KnightTemplar who genuinely care about and are fighting for the survival of Earth - and, by extension, the entire species - and see the miners as ungrateful children unwilling to do what is necessary to keep society functioning.

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AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The [=EDF=] as rather brutal KnightTemplar who genuinely care about and are fighting for the survival of Earth - and, by extension, the entire species - and see the miners as ungrateful children unwilling to do what is necessary to keep society functioning.



** This was ''originally'' the case with the PC port of ''Red Faction: Guerrilla" (see PolishedPort for how it is now). The PC port was very buggy and prone to random crashes, the DirectX 10 graphics mode would really slow the game down and make crashing more frequent, used the dreaded Games for Windows Live DRM, and the PC version was barely patched during its years under THQ and Volition.

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** This was ''originally'' the case with the PC port of ''Red Faction: Guerrilla" (see PolishedPort for how it is now). The PC port was very buggy and prone to random crashes, the DirectX UsefulNotes/DirectX 10 graphics mode would really slow the game down and make crashing more frequent, used the dreaded Games for Windows Live DRM, and the PC version was barely patched during its years under THQ and Volition.



** How the PC version of ''Red Faction: Guerrilla'' is ''now''. When the ''Red Faction'' IP switched over to Nordic Games, Nordic began releasing a series of patches for the PC release to finally fix what Volition never did. The hated Games for Windows Live DRM was removed and replaced by Steamworks (along with all multiplayer servers being switched to Steam), a new DirectX 11 graphics option was added which allowed players to use all the graphical improvements of the DirectX 10 mode (such as sun rays and ambient occlusion) without the major performance loss, many bug fixes to make the game much less crash prone (though it's not quite crash proof yet), and to top it all off they released a series of new multiplayer and Wrecking Crew maps for free.

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** How the PC version of ''Red Faction: Guerrilla'' is ''now''. When the ''Red Faction'' IP switched over to Nordic Games, Nordic began releasing a series of patches for the PC release to finally fix what Volition never did. The hated Games for Windows Live DRM was removed and replaced by Steamworks (along with all multiplayer servers being switched to Steam), a new DirectX [=DirectX=] 11 graphics option was added which allowed players to use all the graphical improvements of the DirectX [=DirectX=] 10 mode (such as sun rays and ambient occlusion) without the major performance loss, many bug fixes to make the game much less crash prone (though it's not quite crash proof yet), and to top it all off they released a series of new multiplayer and Wrecking Crew maps for free.
10th Aug '17 8:26:14 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* UnderusedGameMechanic: The "[=GeoMod=]" feature in the first game. The feature was hyped in previews as allowing creative players to literally carve their own paths through levels, but in the final game the feature was heavily toned down with many walls being indestructible and only a few areas requiring usage of the [=GeoMod=] feature to progress.
10th Aug '17 7:49:51 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In Armageddon, the concept of the Nanoforge is wonderfully realised in gameplay, but the plot almost entirely neglects it. The focus is entirely on the painfully unoriginal BugWar concept instead. The Nanoforge is the most scientifically advanced and ridiculously useful devise in the whole of creation, yet the Faction lets Darius run around with it. A power struggle between the new government, Darius and the cultists all over the [[MacGuffin Nanoforge]] and it's seemingly [[AppliedPhlebotinum limitless power]] would have made for a much more compelling plot. It would also have been more in keeping with the primary theme of the series: government oppression and civil war.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In Armageddon, the concept of the Nanoforge is wonderfully realised realized in gameplay, but the plot almost entirely neglects it. The focus is entirely on the painfully unoriginal BugWar concept instead. The Nanoforge is the most scientifically advanced and ridiculously useful devise in the whole of creation, yet the Faction lets Darius run around with it. A power struggle between the new government, Darius and the cultists all over the [[MacGuffin Nanoforge]] and it's seemingly [[AppliedPhlebotinum limitless power]] would have made for a much more compelling plot. It would also have been more in keeping with the primary theme of the series: government oppression and civil war.


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* UnderusedGameMechanic: The "[=GeoMod=]" feature in the first game. The feature was hyped in previews as allowing creative players to literally carve their own paths through levels, but in the final game the feature was heavily toned down with many walls being indestructible and only a few areas requiring usage of the [=GeoMod=] feature to progress.
2nd May '17 10:11:21 AM superslinger2007
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The Major League Gaming Playlist in ''Guerrilla''. No Health Packs. No Remote Charges. No Rail Driver. No Handicapping. No Proximity Mines. No Vision Packs. [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Fox Only. Final Destination.]]

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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The Major League Gaming Playlist in ''Guerrilla''. No Health Packs. No Remote Charges. No Rail Driver. No Handicapping. No Proximity Mines. No Vision Packs. [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Fox Only. Final Destination.]]Packs....
7th Apr '17 9:38:23 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The Major League Gaming Playlist in ''Guerrilla''. No Health Packs. No Remote Charges. No Rail Driver. No Handicapping. No Proximity Mines. No Vision Packs. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Fox Only. Final Destination.]]]]

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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The Major League Gaming Playlist in ''Guerrilla''. No Health Packs. No Remote Charges. No Rail Driver. No Handicapping. No Proximity Mines. No Vision Packs. [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Fox Only. Final Destination.]]]]]]
7th Apr '17 1:21:46 PM shooterboss
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* FollowTheLeader: Some have criticized ''Red Faction: Armageddon'' for taking a lot of cues from Microsoft's ''GearsOfWar'' and [[ElectronicArts EA's]] ''Franchise/DeadSpace'' franchise.
** It also takes some cues from ''Singularity''.
16th Jan '17 11:09:38 AM ACW
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** ''Red Faction: Guerrilla'': [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] Lucious [[GeneralRipper Kobel]] outstrips any of his fellow Earth Defense Force in cruelty, having previously used his warship, the Hydra, to annihilate Central Asian rebels. When EDF loses faith in its current commander, [[BigBad General Bertram Roth]], Kobel is sent, [[EvenEvilHasStandards as a last resort]], to supress the Red Faction rebellion for good. Despite given orders to avoid any unnecessary damage, civilian casualties were unimportant to Kobel, and he set out with a plan of his own: [[SocialDarwinist to start fresh and exterminate all life on Mars]]. Using the Hydra to start a bombardment on Mars, Kobel cared not for the civilians, declaring them expendable, and indicates he arranged the entire situation to [[TheStarscream take control from Roth]] in the first place.

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** ''Red Faction: Guerrilla'': [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] Lucious [[GeneralRipper Kobel]] outstrips any of his fellow Earth Defense Force in cruelty, having previously used his warship, the Hydra, to annihilate Central Asian rebels. When EDF loses faith in its current commander, [[BigBad General Bertram Roth]], Kobel is sent, [[EvenEvilHasStandards as a last resort]], to supress suppress the Red Faction rebellion for good. Despite given orders to avoid any unnecessary damage, civilian casualties were unimportant to Kobel, and he set out with a plan of his own: [[SocialDarwinist to start fresh and exterminate all life on Mars]]. Using the Hydra to start a bombardment on Mars, Kobel cared not for the civilians, declaring them expendable, and indicates he arranged the entire situation to [[TheStarscream take control from Roth]] in the first place.



** ''Red Faction: Armageddon'': [[BigBad Adam Hale]], who also appears in the [[Film/RedFactionOrigins film]], was originally [[TheDragon the second-in-command]] to Stroller of the White Faction and a lover to Lyra Mason, before becoming a {{cult}} leader placing himself as a [[DarkMessiah messiah figure]]. An initial supporter of the White Faction's plot to start a war between the Red Faction and Marauders, overseeing the massacre of civilians. When Lyra realizes the truth of her past and leaves for her family, Hale's immediae reaction is to take control of the White Faction and order the destruction of the Teraformer, knowing it would render Mars virtually uninhabitable and not caring that Lyra could be a casualty; holding one of his men at gunpoint for hesitating the attack; and only stopped when Alec Mason [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to destroy the dreadnought. By the time of ''Armageddon'', Hale reemerges twenty years later with a cult to his name, and succeeds in destroying the Teraformer causing widespread destruction, such as tornadoes and violent storms across the surface, forcing the people of Mars to colonize underground to survive. Learning of a ravenous alien race called the plague further beneath the surface, Hale has his cultists trick Alec's grandson [[PlayerCharacter Darius Mason]] into releasing the plague on the people of Mars, overrunning the colonists and killing multiple people. He later announces to his cult his plans to enslave these creatures as an army in his conquest. Originally raised to be a loyal soldier, Hale is ultimately a man motivated to claim his envisioned destiny of ruling Mars, with or without Lyra, and partially motivated by his hate for the Mason family, not caring who or how many have to die in the process.

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** ''Red Faction: Armageddon'': [[BigBad Adam Hale]], who also appears in the [[Film/RedFactionOrigins film]], was originally [[TheDragon the second-in-command]] to Stroller of the White Faction and a lover to Lyra Mason, before becoming a {{cult}} leader placing himself as a [[DarkMessiah messiah figure]]. An initial supporter of the White Faction's plot to start a war between the Red Faction and Marauders, overseeing the massacre of civilians. When Lyra realizes the truth of her past and leaves for her family, Hale's immediae immediate reaction is to take control of the White Faction and order the destruction of the Teraformer, knowing it would render Mars virtually uninhabitable and not caring that Lyra could be a casualty; holding one of his men at gunpoint for hesitating the attack; and only stopped when Alec Mason [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to destroy the dreadnought. By the time of ''Armageddon'', Hale reemerges twenty years later with a cult to his name, and succeeds in destroying the Teraformer causing widespread destruction, such as tornadoes and violent storms across the surface, forcing the people of Mars to colonize underground to survive. Learning of a ravenous alien race called the plague further beneath the surface, Hale has his cultists trick Alec's grandson [[PlayerCharacter Darius Mason]] into releasing the plague on the people of Mars, overrunning the colonists and killing multiple people. He later announces to his cult his plans to enslave these creatures as an army in his conquest. Originally raised to be a loyal soldier, Hale is ultimately a man motivated to claim his envisioned destiny of ruling Mars, with or without Lyra, and partially motivated by his hate for the Mason family, not caring who or how many have to die in the process.
16th Jan '17 5:43:10 AM ACW
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** [[BigBad Axel Caypek]] from the first game is the [[MadScientist head of scientific research]] at the Ultor Corporation. To him, the lives of countless innocents were less important than his [[ForScience scientific curiosity]]. His experiments created mutants resulting from the animals and humans he tested on, unleashing a plague on Mars mines, killing and crippling innocent people, and awakening an alien race that he let kill his fellow scientists. When confronted by [[TheProtagonist Parker]], Caypek reveals there is a cure for the plague but refuses to reveal it for no reason other than spite; his last words being "[[OmnicidalManiac I hope you all die!]]". A vicious [[ItsAllAboutMe egomaniac]], Caypek dismisses the deaths of countless innocent people as nothing more than a stepping stone to progress.
** [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] Lucious [[GeneralRipper Kobel]] from ''Guerrilla'' outstrips any of his fellow Earth Defense Force in cruelty, having previously used his warship, the Hydra, to annihilate Central Asian rebels. When EDF loses faith in its current commander, [[BigBad General Bertram Roth]], Kobel is sent, [[EvenEvilHasStandards as a last resort]], to supress the Red Faction rebellion for good. Despite given orders to avoid any unnecessary damage, civilian casualties were unimportant to Kobel, and he set out with a plan of his own: [[SocialDarwinist to start fresh and exterminate all life on Mars]]. Using the Hydra to start a bombardment on Mars, Kobel cared not for the civilians, declaring them expendable, and indicates he arranged the entire situation to [[TheStarscream take control from Roth]] in the first place.

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** ''Red Faction'' (the first game): [[BigBad Axel Caypek]] from the first game is the [[MadScientist head of scientific research]] at the Ultor Corporation. To him, the lives of countless innocents were less important than his [[ForScience scientific curiosity]]. His experiments created mutants resulting from the animals and humans he tested on, unleashing a plague on Mars mines, killing and crippling innocent people, and awakening an alien race that he let kill his fellow scientists. When confronted by [[TheProtagonist Parker]], Caypek reveals there is a cure for the plague but refuses to reveal it for no reason other than spite; his last words being "[[OmnicidalManiac I hope you all die!]]". A vicious [[ItsAllAboutMe egomaniac]], Caypek dismisses the deaths of countless innocent people as nothing more than a stepping stone to progress.
** ''Red Faction: Guerrilla'': [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] Lucious [[GeneralRipper Kobel]] from ''Guerrilla'' outstrips any of his fellow Earth Defense Force in cruelty, having previously used his warship, the Hydra, to annihilate Central Asian rebels. When EDF loses faith in its current commander, [[BigBad General Bertram Roth]], Kobel is sent, [[EvenEvilHasStandards as a last resort]], to supress the Red Faction rebellion for good. Despite given orders to avoid any unnecessary damage, civilian casualties were unimportant to Kobel, and he set out with a plan of his own: [[SocialDarwinist to start fresh and exterminate all life on Mars]]. Using the Hydra to start a bombardment on Mars, Kobel cared not for the civilians, declaring them expendable, and indicates he arranged the entire situation to [[TheStarscream take control from Roth]] in the first place.place.
** ''Film/RedFactionOrigins'' has Stroller. See that page for more details.
** ''Red Faction: Armageddon'': [[BigBad Adam Hale]], who also appears in the [[Film/RedFactionOrigins film]], was originally [[TheDragon the second-in-command]] to Stroller of the White Faction and a lover to Lyra Mason, before becoming a {{cult}} leader placing himself as a [[DarkMessiah messiah figure]]. An initial supporter of the White Faction's plot to start a war between the Red Faction and Marauders, overseeing the massacre of civilians. When Lyra realizes the truth of her past and leaves for her family, Hale's immediae reaction is to take control of the White Faction and order the destruction of the Teraformer, knowing it would render Mars virtually uninhabitable and not caring that Lyra could be a casualty; holding one of his men at gunpoint for hesitating the attack; and only stopped when Alec Mason [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to destroy the dreadnought. By the time of ''Armageddon'', Hale reemerges twenty years later with a cult to his name, and succeeds in destroying the Teraformer causing widespread destruction, such as tornadoes and violent storms across the surface, forcing the people of Mars to colonize underground to survive. Learning of a ravenous alien race called the plague further beneath the surface, Hale has his cultists trick Alec's grandson [[PlayerCharacter Darius Mason]] into releasing the plague on the people of Mars, overrunning the colonists and killing multiple people. He later announces to his cult his plans to enslave these creatures as an army in his conquest. Originally raised to be a loyal soldier, Hale is ultimately a man motivated to claim his envisioned destiny of ruling Mars, with or without Lyra, and partially motivated by his hate for the Mason family, not caring who or how many have to die in the process.
3rd Jan '17 4:30:19 AM Morgenthaler
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** Masako, the [[InformedAbility reportedly]] {{Badass}} leader of the [[PsychoForHire Mercs]] from the first game, is the last person you fight before the finale. She has a boss nanoshield as well as a custom rifle that kills you in 3 hits on Normal difficulty, as well as being the fastest enemy in the game once she loses her nanoshield. Still, she's no [[VideoGame/{{Doom}} Cyberdemon]] and goes down relatively quickly.

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** Masako, the [[InformedAbility reportedly]] {{Badass}} badass leader of the [[PsychoForHire Mercs]] from the first game, is the last person you fight before the finale. She has a boss nanoshield as well as a custom rifle that kills you in 3 hits on Normal difficulty, as well as being the fastest enemy in the game once she loses her nanoshield. Still, she's no [[VideoGame/{{Doom}} Cyberdemon]] and goes down relatively quickly.
28th Sep '16 6:02:12 AM Toybasher
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* MostAnnoyingSound: The various Ultor Employees in the original ''Red Faction''. ''Wait, I'm on your side!'' ''HHOURRAAUUUUUahghahaa!''

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* MostAnnoyingSound: The various Ultor Employees in the original ''Red Faction''. ''Wait, I'm on your side!'' ''HHOURRAAUUUUUahghahaa!''side!''
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