History YMMV / Radiohead

24th Jun '16 8:35:49 PM stuffedninja
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* BrokenBase: ''Music/KidA'' was this initially, due to its GenreShift to avant garde- and jazz-influenced electronica. It was VindicatedByHistory fairly quickly, though many stalwart fans of ''Music/TheBends'' and ''Music/OKComputer'' have not returned to the fandom.

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''Music/KidA'' was this initially, due to its GenreShift to avant garde- and jazz-influenced electronica. It was VindicatedByHistory fairly quickly, though many stalwart fans of ''Music/TheBends'' and ''Music/OKComputer'' have not returned to the fandom.


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** The whole "Radiohead should've won an Oscar for 'Spectre'" debacle detailed in AwardSnub above. Music/SamSmith's response to the song (has never heard it, doesn't know who Thom is) doesn't help the matters.
24th Jun '16 8:31:45 PM stuffedninja
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* AwardSnub: There are lots of Radiohead fans who believe that if "Spectre" had been chosen as the official theme song for [[Film/{{Spectre}} the Bond film]] it was written for, it would've won (or at least gotten nominated for) the Oscar for Best Original Song that was won instead by [[Music/SamSmith Sam Smith's "Writing On The Wall."]] [[note]]This ignores the fact that the final version of "Spectre" is probably very different from the version the band submitted to be used as the Bond theme, given that Thom remarked on Twitter that they had played around with the song post-rejection and made it their own...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]][[/note]]

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* AwardSnub: There are lots of Radiohead fans who believe that if "Spectre" had been chosen as the official theme song for [[Film/{{Spectre}} the Bond film]] it was written for, it would've won (or at least gotten nominated for) the Oscar for Best Original Song that was won instead by the theme song that ''was'' used, [[Music/SamSmith Sam Smith's "Writing On The Wall."]] [[note]]This ignores the fact that the final version of "Spectre" is probably very different from the version the band submitted to be used as the Bond theme, given that Thom remarked on Twitter that they had played around with the song post-rejection and made it their own...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]][[/note]]
11th Jun '16 7:04:39 PM EllaMegablast
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* AwardSnub: There are lots of Radiohead fans that believe that if "Spectre" had been chosen as the official theme song for [[Film/{{Spectre}} the Bond film]] it was written for, it would've won (or at least gotten nominated for) the Oscar for Best Original Song that was won instead by [[Music/SamSmith Sam Smith's "Writing On The Wall."]] [[note]]This ignores the fact that the final version of "Spectre" is probably very different from the version the band submitted to be used as the Bond theme, given that Thom remarked on Twitter that they had played around with the song post-rejection and made it their own...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]][[/note]]

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* AwardSnub: There are lots of Radiohead fans that who believe that if "Spectre" had been chosen as the official theme song for [[Film/{{Spectre}} the Bond film]] it was written for, it would've won (or at least gotten nominated for) the Oscar for Best Original Song that was won instead by [[Music/SamSmith Sam Smith's "Writing On The Wall."]] [[note]]This ignores the fact that the final version of "Spectre" is probably very different from the version the band submitted to be used as the Bond theme, given that Thom remarked on Twitter that they had played around with the song post-rejection and made it their own...[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]][[/note]]



** ''Music/InRainbows'' initially received flak for being much more accessible and upbeat than previous albums. This, too, seems to have been VindicatedByHistory pretty quickly.
** The quality of ''Hail to the Thief'' and ''The King of Limbs'' are hotly debated. Some fans dislike TKOL's softer sound and short length (it's the shortest album in Radiohead's discography, clocking in at 38 minutes) and think the production and song choice are not all that interesting for a Radiohead album. ''Hail to the Thief,'' conversely, is the longest Radiohead album to date; this led to arguing over whether having more songs on an album is good because it means more Radiohead, or worse because it makes the album too long and may result in AlbumFiller and ObviousBeta tracks.

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** ''Music/InRainbows'' initially received flak for being much more accessible and upbeat than previous albums. This, too, seems to have been VindicatedByHistory pretty quickly.
** The quality of ''Hail to the Thief'' and ''The King of Limbs'' are hotly debated. Some fans dislike TKOL's softer sound and short length (it's the shortest album in Radiohead's discography, clocking in at 38 minutes) and think the production and song choice are not all that interesting for a Radiohead album. ''Hail to the Thief,'' conversely, is the longest Radiohead album to date; this led to arguing over whether having more songs on an album is good because it means more Radiohead, or worse because it makes the album too ''too'' long and may result in AlbumFiller and ObviousBeta tracks.



* EnsembleDarkHorse - ''Amnesiac'' is probably the band's least-recognized album outside of the fandom, with critics preferring ''Music/KidA'' and mainstream audiences preferring ''Music/OKComputer'' and ''Music/InRainbows'', but among the fandom it's extremely popular and widely appreciated. Its b-sides are considered to be some of the best of the band's career, and "The Amazing Sounds of Orgy"'s live debut on the ''King of Limbs'' tour was greeted with much enthusiasm.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse - ''Amnesiac'' is probably the band's least-recognized album outside of the fandom, with critics preferring ''Music/KidA'' and mainstream audiences preferring ''Music/OKComputer'' and ''Music/InRainbows'', but among the fandom it's extremely popular and widely appreciated.it has a stalwart following in hardcore Radiohead circles. Its b-sides are considered to be some of the best of the band's career, and "The Amazing Sounds of Orgy"'s live debut on the ''King of Limbs'' tour was greeted with much enthusiasm.



* FanonDiscontinuity: In most fans' eyes, ''PabloHoney'', either with the exception of or particularly "Creep". Although "Anyone Can Play Guitar" and "Blow Out" are widely considered the best songs off the album--if you dislike "Creep".

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* FanonDiscontinuity: In most fans' eyes, ''PabloHoney'', either with the exception of or particularly "Creep". Although "Anyone Can Play Guitar" and "Blow Out" are widely considered the best songs off the album--if you dislike "Creep".[[note]]Like every album Radiohead puts out, it has its devotees. In this case, they just happen to be in a minority.[[/note]]



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Japan shows an unsettling amount of dedication to this band. Case in point: one memorable scene in Meeting People Is Easy lets us watch as two Japanese girls cry in public as the band boards the plane to Australia. Ed tries to reassure them of the band's return, to no avail.



* MainstreamObscurity: For all the critical acclaim their albums get, few people outside of the established fandom are able to name any individual track from any of them (with the exception of "Creep," because everyone knows "Creep"). The flipside of this is that the fandom is so dedicated that any one person can likely name ''any'' track (well, any post-''Pablo Honey'' track, anyway) and are just as likely to love a semi-obscure b-side like "Cuttooth" or "Kinetic" as they are to love a hit single like "Paranoid Android" or "My Iron Lung".
* MemeticBadass: Bizarrely enough, a ''song'' example. "Burn the Witch" was once legendary among Radiohead fans for being a total mystery: though the title was floating around since the ''Kid A''/''Amnesiac'' era, no recordings were heard and no lyrics were pinned down before it was released as the first single from ''A Moon Shaped Pool''.

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* MainstreamObscurity: For all the critical acclaim their albums get, few people outside of the established fandom are able to name any individual track from any of them (with the exception of "Creep," because everyone knows "Creep"). The flipside of this is that the fandom is so dedicated that any one person can likely name ''any'' track (well, any post-''Pablo Honey'' track, anyway) and are just as likely to love a semi-obscure b-side like "Cuttooth" or "Kinetic" as they are to love a hit high-profile single like "Paranoid Android" or "My Iron Lung".
* MemeticBadass: Bizarrely enough, a ''song'' example. "Burn the Witch" was once legendary among Radiohead fans for being a total mystery: though the title was floating around since the ''Kid A''/''Amnesiac'' era, no recordings were heard and no lyrics were pinned down before it was released as the first single from ''A Moon Shaped Pool''.Pool'' four albums and ten years later.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Climate change sucks. Climate change denial sucks, too. Political corruption also sucks, especially when innocent people suffer for it. Whether or not you think references to these issues in Radiohead's music are anvilicious, there is certainly cause for concern.



** "Desert Island Disk" is the lightest and probably the most affirming song on ''A Moon Shaped Pool."



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The initial reaction of some to the drastic change the band made in ''Kid A''.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The initial reaction of some to the drastic change the band made in ''Kid A''. Some fans reacted to ''The King Of Limbs'' this way, too.



** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] ''[[LighterAndSofter In Rainbows]]'' [[LighterAndSofter and]] ''[[LighterAndSofter The King of Limbs]]''. However, ''A Moon Shaped Pool'' is back to being pretty depressing, which may not be a surprise given [[CreatorBreakdown Yorke's separation from his partner of twenty-three years and the death of Nigel Godrich's father]].

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** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] ''[[LighterAndSofter In Rainbows]]'' [[LighterAndSofter and]] ''[[LighterAndSofter The King of Limbs]]''. However,
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''A Moon Shaped Pool'' is back marks a return to being pretty depressing, a bleaker sound, which may not be a surprise given [[CreatorBreakdown [[RealitySubtext Yorke's separation from his partner of twenty-three years and the death of Nigel Godrich's father]].
23rd May '16 4:28:26 PM EllaMegablast
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19th May '16 4:37:17 PM EllaMegablast
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* TheWoobie: Thom Yorke. He's had bouts of depression and anxiety throughout his career, and has recently divorced his wife of 24 years. The nature of Radiohead's music, the lyrics especially, stems largely from Thom's mental state. As such, the disturbing/heartrending nature of much of his output has left as many fans concerned as fascinated.

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* TheWoobie: Thom Yorke. He's had bouts of depression and anxiety throughout his career, and has recently divorced his wife of 24 twenty-three years. The nature of Radiohead's music, the lyrics especially, stems largely from Thom's mental state. As such, the The disturbing/heartrending nature of much of his output has left as many fans concerned as fascinated.
13th May '16 9:27:51 PM EllaMegablast
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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Music/TheBends'' got a much better response than ''Music/PabloHoney''.

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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Music/TheBends'' got a much better response than ''Music/PabloHoney''.''PabloHoney''.



* FanonDiscontinuity: In most fans' eyes, ''Music/PabloHoney'', either with the exception of or particularly "Creep". Although "Anyone Can Play Guitar" and "Blow Out" are widely considered the best songs off the album--if you dislike "Creep".

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* FanonDiscontinuity: In most fans' eyes, ''Music/PabloHoney'', ''PabloHoney'', either with the exception of or particularly "Creep". Although "Anyone Can Play Guitar" and "Blow Out" are widely considered the best songs off the album--if you dislike "Creep".



* FridgeBrilliance: "Myxomatosis" is about record companies destroying musicians' messages or altering them beyond recognition--that much is clear from the lyrics. Furthermore, the line "I don't know why I feel so tongue tied/Don't know why I feel so skinned alive" also appears on the Music/{{Amnesiac}} b-side "Cuttooth", which was held off of the album at the last minute for reasons unknown--maybe Myxomatosis is (at least ====in part) about the record company forcing the band to remove "Cuttooth" from Amnesiac.

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* FridgeBrilliance: "Myxomatosis" is about record companies destroying musicians' messages or altering them beyond recognition--that much is clear from the lyrics. Furthermore, the line "I don't know why I feel so tongue tied/Don't know why I feel so skinned alive" also appears on the Music/{{Amnesiac}} b-side "Cuttooth", which was held off of the album at the last minute for reasons unknown--maybe Myxomatosis is (at least ====in in part) about the record company forcing the band to remove "Cuttooth" from Amnesiac.
13th May '16 2:24:08 AM CassandraLeo
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** "Give Up the Ghost" may be a TearJerker, but that coda with the layers upon layers of vocals also qualifies as this trope.

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** "Give Up the Ghost" may be a TearJerker, but that coda with the layers upon layers of vocals also qualifies as this trope. Come to think of it, the last three songs of ''Music/TheKingOfLimbs'' probably qualify in their entirety.
13th May '16 2:06:10 AM CassandraLeo
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** "Give Up the Ghost" may be a TearJerker, but that coda with the layers upon layers of vocals also qualifies as this trope.
12th May '16 10:55:59 PM CassandraLeo
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** ''Music/In Rainbows'' initially received flak for being much more accessible and upbeat than previous albums.

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** ''Music/In Rainbows'' ''Music/InRainbows'' initially received flak for being much more accessible and upbeat than previous albums. This, too, seems to have been VindicatedByHistory pretty quickly.



** "Idioteque", "Talk Show Host", "How to Disappear Completely", and "Lotus Flower" are examples of Ensemble Dark Horses that transcended the fandom and become some of the band's most well-known songs.

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** "Idioteque", "Talk Show Host", "How to Disappear Completely", and "Lotus Flower" Flower", and "Burn the Witch" are examples of Ensemble Dark Horses that transcended the fandom and become some of the band's most well-known songs. best-known songs.



*** Thom's dancing in the Lotus Flower video has been dubbed with, for instance, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xgeT2hzxrQ Single Ladies]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnjOUKXqm9Q the Benny Hill theme]].

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*** Thom's dancing in the Lotus Flower "Lotus Flower" video has been dubbed with, for instance, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xgeT2hzxrQ Single Ladies]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnjOUKXqm9Q the Benny Hill theme]].



** From "Burn The Witch": "This is a lo-fi banker tax."

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** From "Burn The the Witch": "This is a lo-fi banker tax."



* OldGuardVersusNewBlood: It can be argued that some recent Radiohead albums (such as ''Hail To The Thief'' and ''In Rainbows'') have been trying to strike this sort of balance.

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* OldGuardVersusNewBlood: It can be argued that some recent Radiohead albums (such as ''Hail To The to the Thief'' and ''In Rainbows'') have been trying to strike this sort of balance.



* SongAssociation: Lots of instances. "Exit Music (For a Film)" and "Talk Show Host" being used in (and in the former's case, written for[[note]]Yes, the song was specifically written for, and featured in the end credits of, the 1996 adaptation of Shakespeare's classic story. Director Baz Luhrmann approached the band with the request for a song during their 1996 tour and showed them the last 30 minutes of the movie, which gave them enough inspiration to begin work immediately. (It was heavily inspired by the original story as a whole, as well as the 1968 Franco Zeffirelli film adaptation that Thom saw as a teenager, and was built around the idea of what would've happened if the pair had escaped the morning after they consummated their marriage.) Due to the song's inclusion on ''OK Computer'', the song was held off of the soundtrack at the band's request, but in its place, a remix of "Talk Show Host" was used.[[/note]]) ''Film/WilliamShakespearesRomeoAndJuliet'', "15 Step" being used in ''Film/{{Twilight}}'', "Everything in Its Right Place" being used in ''Film/VanillaSky'', "Life in a Glasshouse" being used in ''Film/ChildrenOfMen'', "High and Dry" being used in ''Film/FiftyFifty''...[[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1955602/ the list goes on.]]

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* SongAssociation: Lots of instances. "Exit Music (For (for a Film)" and "Talk Show Host" being used in (and in the former's case, written for[[note]]Yes, the song was specifically written for, and featured in the end credits of, the 1996 adaptation of Shakespeare's classic story. Director Baz Luhrmann approached the band with the request for a song during their 1996 tour and showed them the last 30 minutes of the movie, which gave them enough inspiration to begin work immediately. (It was heavily inspired by the original story as a whole, as well as the 1968 Franco Zeffirelli film adaptation that Thom saw as a teenager, and was built around the idea of what would've happened if the pair had escaped the morning after they consummated their marriage.) Due to the song's inclusion on ''OK Computer'', the song was held off of the soundtrack at the band's request, but in its place, a remix of "Talk Show Host" was used.[[/note]]) ''Film/WilliamShakespearesRomeoAndJuliet'', "15 Step" being used in ''Film/{{Twilight}}'', "Everything in Its Right Place" being used in ''Film/VanillaSky'', "Life in a Glasshouse" being used in ''Film/ChildrenOfMen'', "High and Dry" being used in ''Film/FiftyFifty''...[[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1955602/ the list goes on.]]



** ''Music/InRainbows'' is generally considered to be far better than ''Music/HailToTheThief'' (which is generally considered to be good, but at the time had lead to fears that the band had become too self-indulgent.)

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** ''Music/InRainbows'' is generally considered to be far better than ''Music/HailToTheThief'' (which is generally considered to be good, but at the time had lead led to fears that the band had become too self-indulgent.)



** "Daydreaming".

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** "Daydreaming"."Daydreaming"... well, until [[LastNoteNightmare the ending]].



* ToughActToFollow: It's widely said that Radiohead's biggest competition is their own back catalog. ''OK Computer'' and''Kid A'' stand out as defining, perhaps even game-changing, moments for the band--maybe even for popular music at large.

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* ToughActToFollow: It's widely said that Radiohead's biggest competition is their own back catalog. ''OK Computer'' and''Kid and ''Kid A'' stand out as defining, perhaps even game-changing, moments for the band--maybe even for popular music at large.



** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] ''[[LighterAndSofter In Rainbows]]'' [[LighterAndSofter and]] ''[[LighterAndSofter The King of Limbs]]''.

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** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] ''[[LighterAndSofter In Rainbows]]'' [[LighterAndSofter and]] ''[[LighterAndSofter The King of Limbs]]''. However, ''A Moon Shaped Pool'' is back to being pretty depressing, which may not be a surprise given [[CreatorBreakdown Yorke's separation from his partner of twenty-three years and the death of Nigel Godrich's father]].
11th May '16 12:04:35 PM CassandraLeo
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** Some fans believe that ''A Moon Shaped Pool'' is this for ''The King Of Limbs,'' the latter of which is often accused of being [[LighterAndSofter too light and short.]]

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** Some fans believe that ''A Moon Shaped Pool'' is this for ''The King Of Limbs,'' ''Music/TheKingOfLimbs,'' the latter of which is often accused of being [[LighterAndSofter too light and short.]]



** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] [[LighterAndSofter ''In Rainbows'' and ''The King of Limbs'']].

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** Their signature sonic angst [[SubvertedTrope hasn't stopped them from taking a break and doing]] ''[[LighterAndSofter In Rainbows]]'' [[LighterAndSofter ''In Rainbows'' and ''The and]] ''[[LighterAndSofter The King of Limbs'']].Limbs]]''.
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