History YMMV / ProjectM

28th Jan '16 4:21:59 PM nombretomado
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** Most of the stages in ''SuperSmashBros for WiiU[=/=]3DS'' have a "Final Destination Mode", which turns them into something similar to the tournament-friendly versions of Brawl's stages featured here.
** This game splits the Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Trainer's trio of Squirte/Ivysaur/Charizard into three separate fighters. ''SuperSmashBros for WiiU[=/=]3DS'' also splits Charizard off into a single fighter.

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** Most of the stages in ''SuperSmashBros ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for WiiU[=/=]3DS'' have a "Final Destination Mode", which turns them into something similar to the tournament-friendly versions of Brawl's stages featured here.
** This game splits the Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Trainer's trio of Squirte/Ivysaur/Charizard into three separate fighters. ''SuperSmashBros ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for WiiU[=/=]3DS'' also splits Charizard off into a single fighter.
15th Jan '16 6:09:26 AM BreakinBenny
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** One user had leaked Project M's Clone Engine and [[http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67706.0 codes]].[[note]]At the time, BrawlEx hadn't been released, which is why it was leaked.[[/note]] It, among other things, sparked friction between KC-MM and Project M members, pushing onto light an Open Vs. Closed Source debate relative to Brawl modding. [[note]]Basically, some people felt that the Project M team, which includes some of the best members and technical advances of the modding scene, has a tendency to hog the best tools to be used only for Project M. The argument against that notion is said tools are functional but not perfect enough for the team to be comfortable with distributing publicly.[[/note]]
** L-cancelling, pressing the shield button during an aerial attack to reduce the landing animation, is a hot topic of debate. Supporters say that it adds more options and makes the game require more skill to play. Detractors say that there is absolutely never any reason to ''not'' L-cancel that can't also be achieved by just waiting a few frames before the next input, so it should instead be done automatically rather than require what they perceive to be an unnecessary button press after every aerial attack. No other fighting game series controls in such a way.

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** One user had leaked Project M's Clone Engine and [[http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=67706.0 codes]].[[note]]At the time, BrawlEx hadn't been released, which is why it was leaked.[[/note]] It, among other things, sparked friction between KC-MM and Project M members, pushing onto light an Open Vs. Closed Source debate relative to Brawl modding. [[note]]Basically, some people felt that the Project M team, which includes some of the best members and technical advances of the modding scene, has a tendency to hog the best tools to be used only for Project M. The argument against that notion is said tools are functional but not perfect enough for the team to be comfortable with distributing publicly.[[/note]]
** L-cancelling, pressing the shield button during an aerial attack to reduce speed up the landing animation, is a hot topic of debate. Supporters say that it adds more options and makes the game require more skill to play. Detractors say that there is absolutely never any reason to ''not'' L-cancel that can't also be achieved by just waiting a few frames before the next input, so it should instead be done automatically rather than require what they perceive to be an unnecessary button press after every aerial attack. No other fighting game series controls in such a way.



* HeartwarmingMoments: They didn't get paid for this. They couldn't've. They didn't even take donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and over the course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the most the Project M Back Room has made from their work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They did this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]

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* HeartwarmingMoments: They didn't get paid for this. They couldn't've.this, nor could they have. They didn't even take donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and over the course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the most the Project M Back Room has made from their work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They did this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]



** Dr. Mario and Mario were merged into one character in this mod, to the point of having Dr. Mario only be an alternate costume for Mario. In ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U[=/=]3DS'', Dr. Mario returns as an alternative to the normal Mario meant to appeal to ''Melee'' players due to him being more popular than the normal Mario in competitive play.

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** Dr. Mario and Mario were merged into one character in this mod, to the point of having Dr. Mario only be an alternate costume for Mario. In ''Super Smash Bros. for ''for Wii U[=/=]3DS'', Dr. Mario returns as an alternative to the normal Mario meant to appeal to ''Melee'' players due to him being more popular than the normal Mario in competitive play.



** Even though the wait was long, Mewtwo and Roy were finally brought back proper in [=SSB4=] as DLC. Roy's Flare Blade special also has him holding the sword more horizontally, as he does in the mod.
** Lucario was turned into a {{Shotoclone}} with chainable moves in this game as a ShoutOut to Ryu from ''Franchise/StreetFighter''; he was even given an alternate costume somewhat resembling him. In June 2015, Ryu himself was confirmed as DLC for ''[=SSB4=]'', with a very similar (but coincidental) gimmick.

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** Even though the wait was long, Mewtwo and Roy were finally brought back proper in [=SSB4=] as DLC. Roy's Flare Blade special also has him holding the sword more horizontally, as he does in the ''Melee'' and this mod.
** Lucario was turned into a {{Shotoclone}} with chainable moves in this game as a ShoutOut to Ryu from ''Franchise/StreetFighter''; he it was even given an alternate costume (technically referencing the Black Belt class) somewhat resembling him. In June 2015, Ryu himself was confirmed as DLC for ''[=SSB4=]'', with a very similar (but coincidental) gimmick.



* LoveItOrHateIt: Opinions on the mod range from "It's the best ''Smash'' ever made" to "It's a deviation of a good game that didn't need to be fixed." Of course, this kind of debate is to be expected since the ''Smash Bros.'' fan base is infamous for how much it argues over how the games "should" be played since they offer such a wide variety of playing options.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: Opinions on the mod range from "It's the best ''Smash'' ever made" to "It's a deviation of a good game that didn't need to be fixed." Of course, this kind of debate is to be expected since the ''Smash Bros.'' fan base fanbase is infamous for how much it argues over how the games "should" be played since they offer such a wide variety of playing options.



** Inverted. Most of the tweaks to character movesets such as Ganondorf's float and Samus' Ice Beam mechanic are unanimously approved of because it makes them closer to their canon counterparts while keeping them unique.

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** Inverted.Played straight with various characters; as stated above, the changes to Lucario and Falco's movesets are considerably more heated among their ''Brawl'' and ''Wii U / 3DS'' players, and there is still a minority who prefer Wario's Bike to the ''VideoGame/WarioLand'' Shoulder Charge that he has now.
** [[InvertedTrope Inverted]].
Most of the tweaks to character movesets such as Ganondorf's float and Samus' Ice Beam mechanic are unanimously approved of because it makes them closer to their canon counterparts while keeping them unique.



** Played straight with other characters; as stated above, the changes to Lucario and Falco's movesets are considerably more heated among their ''Brawl'' and ''Wii U / 3DS'' players, and there is still a minority who prefer Wario's Bike to the ''VideoGame/WarioLand'' Shoulder Charge that he has now.
24th Dec '15 3:04:25 AM TheMisterSonic
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* HeartwarmingMoments: They didn't get paid for this. They couldn't've. They didn't even take donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and over the course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the most the Project M Back Room has made from their work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They did this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]



* FandomRivalry: There is a tense three-way rivalry between ''Melee'', ''PM'', and ''Wii U / 3DS''. ''Melee'' supporters argue that the original is the gold standard that cannot be topped with ''PM'' being only a pale imitation, ''PM'' supporters argue that their game has overall improved on Melee, and ''Wii U / 3DS'' supporters argue that their game has been dismissed as "casual" far too early.



* FandomRivalry: There is a tense three-way rivalry between ''Melee'', ''PM'', and ''Wii U / 3DS''. ''Melee'' supporters argue that the original is the gold standard that cannot be topped with ''PM'' being only a pale imitation, ''PM'' supporters argue that their game has overall improved on Melee, and ''Wii U / 3DS'' supporters argue that their game has been dismissed as "casual" far too early.

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* FandomRivalry: There is HeartwarmingMoments: They didn't get paid for this. They couldn't've. They didn't even take donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a tense three-way rivalry between ''Melee'', ''PM'', few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and ''Wii U / 3DS''. ''Melee'' supporters argue that over the original is course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the gold standard that cannot be topped with ''PM'' being only a pale imitation, ''PM'' supporters argue that most the Project M Back Room has made from their game has overall improved on Melee, and ''Wii U / 3DS'' supporters argue that their game has been dismissed as "casual" far too early.work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They did this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]
24th Dec '15 2:48:26 AM TheMisterSonic
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: They don't get paid for this. They can't. They aren't even taking donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and over the course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the most the Project M Back Room has made from their work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They are doing this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]

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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: HeartwarmingMoments: They don't didn't get paid for this. They can't. couldn't've. They aren't didn't even taking take donations, for fear of Nintendo shutting them down. The project started as a few hobbyist programmers reverting Falco to his Melee move-set, and over the course of a few years and thousands upon thousands of hours of time invested, the most the Project M Back Room has made from their work was tournament winnings. [[DoingItForTheArt They are doing did this for free,]] [[AwesomeDearBoy for a community they love.]]
15th Dec '15 9:18:55 PM Amagicalbadger
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* GameBreaker: In just about every version before 3.5, there was always at least one (though the first demo's meta never developed quite enough to reveal any). The most infamous include 2.0's Ike and Lucario, 2.5 Sonic, 2.6 Ivysaur, and 3.0 Mewtwo.

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* GameBreaker: In just about every version before 3.5, there was always at least one (though the first demo's meta never developed quite enough to reveal any). The most infamous include 2.0's Ike and Lucario, 2.5 Sonic, Sonic (which was actually a nerfed version of 2.1 Sonic), 2.6 Ivysaur, and 3.0 Mewtwo.
5th Dec '15 6:52:34 PM Etheru
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* SavedByTheFans: Due to the leak of Project M's development build after its cancellation, some fans have already decided to try and create a completed version of the mod, featuring fully playable versions of the leaked characters as well as bugfixes.
4th Dec '15 2:33:00 PM creekery
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* TearJerker: Really, just the cancellation itself. It ended incompletely. They just ended out of nowhere, no final development and then goodbye, just a random sendoff out of the blue. There's even been leaked versions which include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ-tipn-NCc new character that will never truly see the light of day]].

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* TearJerker: Really, just the cancellation itself. It ended incompletely. They just ended out of nowhere, no final development and then goodbye, just a random sendoff out of the blue. There's even been leaked versions which include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ-tipn-NCc new character characters that will never truly see the light of day]].
3rd Dec '15 10:46:30 AM creekery
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* TearJerker: Really, just the cancellation itself. It ended incompletely. They just ended out of nowhere, no final development and then goodbye, just a random sendoff out of the blue. There's even been leaked versions which include [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ-tipn-NCc new character that will never truly see the light of day]].
17th Nov '15 1:51:17 PM Trebolt
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*** Speaking of Charizard, the Charizard in ''Wii U and 3DS'' has a claw attack for a forward aerial and its signature [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Seismic Toss]] as its up aerial, just like the one in this game. The latter has been suspected of being a deliberate ShoutOut.

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*** Speaking of Charizard, the Charizard in ''Wii U and 3DS'' has a claw attack for a forward aerial and its signature [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Seismic Toss]] as its up aerial, throw, just like the one in this game. The latter has been suspected of being a deliberate ShoutOut.
15th Nov '15 11:22:40 AM BreakinBenny
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*** Speaking of Charizard, the Charizard in ''Wii U and 3DS'' has a claw attack for a forward air and his signature [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Seismic Toss]] as his up air, just like the one in this game. The latter has been suspected of being a deliberate ShoutOut.

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*** Speaking of Charizard, the Charizard in ''Wii U and 3DS'' has a claw attack for a forward air aerial and his its signature [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Seismic Toss]] as his its up air, aerial, just like the one in this game. The latter has been suspected of being a deliberate ShoutOut.



** Even though the wait was long, Mewtwo and Roy were finally brought back proper in [=SSB4=] as DLC. Roy's Up-B also has him holding the sword more horizontally, as he does in the mod.
** Lucario was turned into a {{Shotoclone}} with chainable moves in this game as a ShoutOut to Ryu from ''Franchise/StreetFighter''; he was even given an alternate costume somewhat resembling him. In June 2015, Ryu himself was confirmed as DLC for ''[=SSB4=]'', with a very similar gimmick.

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** Even though the wait was long, Mewtwo and Roy were finally brought back proper in [=SSB4=] as DLC. Roy's Up-B Flare Blade special also has him holding the sword more horizontally, as he does in the mod.
** Lucario was turned into a {{Shotoclone}} with chainable moves in this game as a ShoutOut to Ryu from ''Franchise/StreetFighter''; he was even given an alternate costume somewhat resembling him. In June 2015, Ryu himself was confirmed as DLC for ''[=SSB4=]'', with a very similar (but coincidental) gimmick.



** "Woop woop," after the sound that Mewtwo's up-B makes. Crowds have even started chanting this in tournaments when Emukiller is ledge stalling.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many characters who were considered useless in either or both the Melee and Brawl meta are showing up as completely viable picks against Melee standouts like Fox and Falco. While the meta has yet to be fully fleshed out, it's already looking like the gap between high tier and low tier is much, much smaller than it was in Melee, and Brawl especially.

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** "Woop woop," after the sound that Mewtwo's up-B Up special makes. Crowds have even started chanting this in tournaments when Emukiller is ledge stalling.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many characters who were considered useless in either or both the Melee and Brawl ''Melee & Brawl'' meta are showing up as completely viable picks against Melee standouts like Fox and Falco. While the meta has yet to be fully fleshed out, it's already looking like the gap between high tier and low tier is much, much smaller than it was in Melee, and Brawl especially.



* ScrappyMechanic: The fact that you can no longer pick up items while running like in Brawl...to people who play with items on, anyway.

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* ScrappyMechanic: The fact that you can no longer pick up items while running like in Brawl...to Brawl…to people who play with items on, anyway.
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