History YMMV / PokemonBlack2AndWhite2

13th Mar '17 7:31:10 AM Kyoni
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** The Rival, Hugh. When artwork of him was first shown, almost everyone fell in love with how badass he looked, with some expecting a return to the classic {{Jerkass}} rivals from the old days. When they began revealing his role in the games however, opinions on him started getting very divided among the fandom. Some praised him for being the first rival in the series with a fleshed out backstory and whose motivation wasn't to just beat the player character and be the stronger trainer. Others were disappointed that all he seemed to care about was Team Plasma and wasn't much of a rival, fighting alongside you more times than against you throughout the main story.
13th Mar '17 7:26:44 AM Kyoni
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* The rival, Hugh. When artwork of him was first shown, almost everyone fell in love with how badass he looked, with many expecting him to be another {{Jerkass}} rival in the same vein as [[VideoGame//PokemonRedAndBlue Blue]] and [[VideoGame//PokemonGoldAndSilver Silver]]. But once his role in the story was unveiled, fan opinion of him became largely mixed--Some praised him for being the first rival in the series to have a fleshed out backstory and whose motivation wasn't to just be stronger than the protagonist, while others disliked the fact that all he cared about was Team Plasma and wasn't really much of a rival, fighting alongside you more times than against you.
* Marlon. Some like his unique design and found his SurferDude personality and role in the game amusing, while others hate his design and think he looks ridiculous, and found his personality and laid-back attitude regarding Team Plasma to be incredibly irritating.

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* ** The rival, Hugh. When artwork of him was first shown, almost everyone fell in love with how badass he looked, with many expecting him to be another {{Jerkass}} rival in the same vein as [[VideoGame//PokemonRedAndBlue Blue]] Blue and [[VideoGame//PokemonGoldAndSilver Silver]].Silver. But once his role in the story was unveiled, fan opinion of him became largely mixed--Some praised him for being the first rival in the series to have a fleshed out backstory and whose motivation wasn't to just be stronger than the protagonist, while others disliked the fact that all he cared about was Team Plasma and wasn't really much of a rival, fighting alongside you more times than against you.
* ** Marlon. Some like his unique design and found his SurferDude personality and role in the game amusing, while others hate his design and think he looks ridiculous, and found his personality and laid-back attitude regarding Team Plasma to be incredibly irritating.
13th Mar '17 7:21:58 AM Kyoni
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* The rival, Hugh. When artwork of him was first shown, almost everyone fell in love with how badass he looked, with many expecting him to be another {{Jerkass}} rival in the same vein as [[VideoGame//PokemonRedAndBlue Blue]] and [[VideoGame//PokemonGoldAndSilver Silver]]. But once his role in the story was unveiled, fan opinion of him became largely mixed--Some praised him for being the first rival in the series to have a fleshed out backstory and whose motivation wasn't to just be stronger than the protagonist, while others disliked the fact that all he cared about was Team Plasma and wasn't really much of a rival, fighting alongside you more times than against you.
* Marlon. Some like his unique design and found his SurferDude personality and role in the game amusing, while others hate his design and think he looks ridiculous, and found his personality and laid-back attitude regarding Team Plasma to be incredibly irritating.
4th Mar '17 6:43:20 PM MayIncon
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* FandomRivalry: With ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. As usual, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are disliked by some fans of the older generations (especially Gen I), including the stereotypical "genwunners". However, ''X'' and ''Y'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd by deliberately [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to fans of older generations]], giving the older-gen fans a new game to praise over ''Black 2'' and ''White 2''. Meanwhile, fans of ''[=B2W2=]'' find ''X'' and ''Y'' to be far inferior, and dislike how it was able to garner so much more praise so easily merely by pandering to older-gen fans. This, in turn, causes fans of ''XY'' to accuse the ''[=B2W2=]'' fanbase of completely dismissing how [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and PanderingToTheBase can affect one's enjoyment of a game, labeling them as nostalgia-hating "Newgenners" or even "Unovabortions", and so forth.

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* FandomRivalry: With ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. As usual, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are disliked by some fans of the older generations (especially Gen I), including the stereotypical "genwunners". However, ''X'' and ''Y'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd by deliberately [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to fans of older generations]], giving the older-gen fans a new game to praise over ''Black 2'' and ''White 2''. Meanwhile, fans of ''[=B2W2=]'' find ''X'' and ''Y'' to be far inferior, and dislike how it was able to garner so much more praise so easily merely by pandering to older-gen fans.fans while most things associated with Gen V are left in the dust. This, in turn, causes fans of ''XY'' to accuse the ''[=B2W2=]'' fanbase of completely dismissing how [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and PanderingToTheBase can affect one's enjoyment of a game, labeling them as nostalgia-hating "Newgenners" or even "Unovabortions", and so forth.
4th Mar '17 6:37:27 PM MayIncon
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** Was N really just an orphan Ghetsis came across one day or did Ghetsis abandon his own son in the woods to spend his early years being [[RaisedByWolves raised by Mons]] in order to more easily indoctrinate N to his goals and to be able to present a miracle child as the king of Team Plasma and get more loyal followers.

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** Was N really just an orphan Ghetsis came across one day or did Ghetsis abandon his own son in the woods to spend his early years being [[RaisedByWolves raised by Mons]] in order to more easily indoctrinate N to his goals and to be able to present a miracle child as the king of Team Plasma and get more loyal followers. followers?



** Whether Iris being the new champion was a good move or not is still being contested. [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Her anime counterpart]], who is very polarizing herself, probably affected fan reactions as well.

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** Whether Iris being the new champion was a good move or not is still being contested. [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Her anime counterpart]], [[NeverLiveItDown who is very polarizing herself, probably affected herself]], affects most of the fan reactions as well.even to those who are okay with her in-game personality. Some prefer the previous set of protagonists to be the champion instead, since Iris already replaces them in the anime.
10th Feb '17 10:10:21 AM Gosicrystal
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* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's [[NoExceptYes except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game]], unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.

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* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's [[NoExceptYes except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game]], game, unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.



** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''

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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, anime. In the end, the normal long-runner anime was not changed, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' two mini-animes were created with this concept (''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''''Anime/PokemonGenerations'').
18th Jan '17 3:24:18 PM Retloclive
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12th Dec '16 5:20:31 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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** The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"[[note]]in Japanese, "D-O-G-A-R-S", the Japanese name for Koffing[[/note]] non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker."

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** The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"[[note]]in Japanese, "D-O-G-A-R-S", the Japanese name for Koffing[[/note]] non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker."" The incredibly forced "ON" in Pokemon doesn't help.
7th Dec '16 11:16:04 AM ANewMan
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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and the Mega Evolution specials.

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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and the Mega Evolution specials.later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''
7th Dec '16 9:51:03 AM ANewMan
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* DracoInLeatherPants: An alarming number of fans seem to interpret Colress as being an overall good guy who was complicit in Team Plasma's crimes for pragmatic reasons but is ultimately well meaning towards trainers and Pokemon, and "redeems" himself in the end. This interpretation seems to come from the fact that we barely ever ''see'' him as Team Plasma's new acting boss in N's place and when we finally do, he allows you to go derail Ghetsis' plans after defeating him in battle, but what they don't take into account is the reason he goes against Ghetsis is the exact same reason he joined him in the first place: he was curious as to what method could best bring out a Pokemon's fullest strength and he would turn to any means, even heartless and immoral ones, to further his research and fulfill his scientific agenda. He adapted to kinder and more caring means because they got him the better results - he never actually changed the person he was throughout the entire game. At best, Colress' way of thinking is morally gray bordering on morally bankrupt.



%%* EvilIsCool: Colress.

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%%* * EvilIsCool: Colress.Colress comes off this way. Ghetsis to a lesser extent.



** Colress.

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** Colress.Colress and Ghetsis both fit the bill.



** Not only that, but [[spoiler:after Ghetsis fuses Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, he mentions that ''even your Pokémon'' are shaking with rage at his actions...then proceeds to deny it because he believes that, as mere tools, Pokémon aren't supposed to feel anything.]]

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** Not only that, but [[spoiler:after Ghetsis fuses Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, Kyurem (that itself a dick move seeing as he's not truly Kyurem's trainer and has it under MindControl, meaning it had no consent to this forced fusion), he mentions that ''even your Pokémon'' are shaking with rage at his actions...then proceeds to deny it because he believes that, as mere tools, Pokémon aren't supposed to feel anything.]]
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