History YMMV / PokemonBlack2AndWhite2

22nd Nov '17 3:56:21 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game, unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.

to:

* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans Some consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' these to be among the best (if not ''the'' best) games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans franchise for their sheer amount of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass content and features, for their direct-sequel nature making them over, since more tantalizing than the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon usual UpdatedRerelease, and for having a massive and well-distributed regional Dex. Others criticize the games for suffering from [[BonusFeatureFailure poor design that relies too much on local and (now defunct) Wi-Fi communication for their bonus features]], for not doing enough to endear players to the story or characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game, unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.predecessors, and for having an awkward regional Dex that seems to say "we're saving all your favorites for ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''!".
22nd Nov '17 3:44:55 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** While due to unfortunate circumstances beyond Game Freak's control, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are infamous for heavily relying on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection for many of their features, but for only having those features actually usable for ''one and a half years''.[[note]]Actually slightly under 2 years in Japan.[[/note]] ''Black'' and ''White'' also suffer from this, but they were at least active for longer, while the Generation IV games have been less crippled in comparison due to their lower reliance on Internet features.

to:

** While due to unfortunate circumstances beyond Game Freak's control, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are infamous for heavily relying on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection for many of their features, but for only having those features actually usable for ''one and a half years''.[[note]]Actually slightly under 2 years in Japan.[[/note]] ''Black'' and ''White'' also suffer from this, but they were at least active for longer, while the Generation IV games have been less crippled in comparison due to their lower reliance on Internet features. As a consequence, features like Join Avenue and the Nature Preserve are far more difficult to use and access.
22nd Nov '17 3:42:23 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Many people thought that [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-/63493024 that very event would be censored in the NA release]] to apply NeverSayDie. Turns out, it was. And then subverted once the Japanese dialogue was retranslated and revealed to be similar to the English dialogue, essentially making this an enforced example.

to:

** Many people thought that Ghetsis' threat to the player, which was widely believed to be a blatant death threat, [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-/63493024 that very event would be censored in the NA release]] to apply NeverSayDie. Turns out, it was. And then subverted once was - however, it turned out to have been that way in the Japanese dialogue was retranslated ''Japanese version too'' after a retranslation, and revealed to be similar to the English dialogue, essentially making this an enforced example.it wasn't {{bowdlerization}} at all!
22nd Nov '17 3:37:22 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions", who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous sectors in the fandom and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".

to:

* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions", "Unovabortions",[[note]]fans who overglorify Gen V and bash anything related to Gen I or the 3DS entries,[[/note]] who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous sectors in the fandom generational fandoms and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".
22nd Nov '17 3:33:58 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions", who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous sectors in the fandom and have been likened to BizarroWorld "[[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".

to:

* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions", who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous sectors in the fandom and have been likened to BizarroWorld "[[NostalgiaFilter "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".
22nd Nov '17 3:33:18 PM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* HypeBacklash: Much like ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'', some fans feel this way towards ''[=B2W2=]'' due to their [[VindicatedByHistory heavy vindication in the fandom]]. Some even feel that the games are becoming emblematic of "Newgenners",[[note]]essentially the opposite of "Genwunners"; fans who only like newer generations of Pokémon and deride Gen I and any attempts to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to its fans]],[[/note]] as detailed under FandomRivalry above.

to:

* HypeBacklash: Much like ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'', Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some fans feel this way towards other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' due compared to their [[VindicatedByHistory heavy vindication other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions", who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous sectors in the fandom]]. Some even feel that the games are becoming emblematic of "Newgenners",[[note]]essentially the opposite of "Genwunners"; fans who only like newer generations of Pokémon fandom and deride Gen I and any attempts have been likened to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to its fans]],[[/note]] as detailed under FandomRivalry above.BizarroWorld "[[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".
17th Nov '17 11:33:44 AM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The [[PlayableEpilogue postgame]] of ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' has enforced this on all future games, due to the sheer number of sidequests that can be undertaken and due to the games having no fewer than ''three'' separate battle facilities - the PWT in particular is praised as [[BestLevelEver one of the coolest postgame features in the series]]. As such, fans who judge ''Pokémon'' games based on the depth and longevity of their postgame tend to judge the subsequent 3DS entries rather harshly for not living up to the standard set by ''[=B2W2=]'', despite the fact that some of them (such as ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'') have decently-sized postgames in their own right.

to:

** The [[PlayableEpilogue postgame]] of ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' has enforced this on all future games, due to the sheer number of sidequests that can be undertaken and due to the games having no fewer than ''three'' separate battle facilities - the PWT in particular is praised as [[BestLevelEver one of the coolest postgame features in the series]]. As such, fans who judge ''Pokémon'' games based on the depth and longevity of their postgame tend to judge the subsequent 3DS entries rather harshly for not living up to the standard set by ''[=B2W2=]'', despite the fact that some of them (such as ''Omega Ruby'' the ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire'' remakes and ''Alpha Sapphire'') ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'') have decently-sized postgames in their own right.
17th Nov '17 11:31:56 AM Chasem
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* FandomRivalry: With the 3DS entries. Fans of ''[=B2W2=]'' frequently claim them to be "the last good ''Pokémon'' games", and decry the subsequent Generation VI and VII games for being more streamlined and "casual-friendly" but having less overall content. Meanwhile, fans of Gens VI and VII praise them for their various unique features and innovations, claim that the features that ''[=B2W2=]'' are praised for are too "niche" to be meaningful and/or have direct 3DS equivalents that are arbitrarily ignored, and decry them for their bizarre selection of catchable Pokémon. This also serves as an extension of the general [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Gen V]] vs. [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]] rivalry, as ''[=B2W2=]'' are direct sequels to ''Black'' and ''White'' while the 3DS entries [[PanderingToTheBase deliberately cater to]] [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I fans]] in various ways.

to:

* FandomRivalry: With the 3DS entries. Fans of ''[=B2W2=]'' frequently claim them to be "the last good ''Pokémon'' games", and decry the subsequent Generation VI and VII games for being more streamlined and "casual-friendly" but having less overall content. Meanwhile, fans of Gens VI and VII praise them for their various unique features and innovations, claim that the features that ''[=B2W2=]'' are praised for are too "niche" to be meaningful and/or have direct 3DS equivalents that are arbitrarily ignored, and decry them for their bizarre selection of catchable Pokémon.Pokémon and overreliance on online features that quickly became defunct. This also serves as an extension of the general [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Gen V]] vs. [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Gen I]] rivalry, as ''[=B2W2=]'' are direct sequels to ''Black'' and ''White'' while the 3DS entries [[PanderingToTheBase deliberately cater to]] [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I fans]] in various ways.
15th Nov '17 7:58:16 AM N8han11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Black Kyurem is this among legendaries: it was intended to be PurposelyOverpowered, but in practice it falters compared to White Kyurem, due to one key aspect; despite having a massive 170 Attack stat, it has barely any useful physical moves. Of note, it only learns ''one'' physical Ice-type move, which is the [[AwesomeButImpractical rather unreliable]] Freeze Shock.[[labelnote:*]]It ''did'' get a good physical Ice move in Gen VII with the Z-Move Subzero Slammer (when using Freeze Shock as the base move), but alas, ItOnlyWorksOnce.

to:

** Black Kyurem is this among legendaries: it was intended to be PurposelyOverpowered, but in practice it falters compared to White Kyurem, due to one key aspect; despite having a massive 170 Attack stat, it has barely any useful physical moves. Of note, it only learns ''one'' physical Ice-type move, which is the [[AwesomeButImpractical rather unreliable]] Freeze Shock.[[labelnote:*]]It [[note]]It ''did'' get a good physical Ice move in Gen VII with the Z-Move Subzero Slammer (when using Freeze Shock as the base move), but alas, ItOnlyWorksOnce.[[/note]]
15th Nov '17 7:57:15 AM N8han11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* TierInducedScrappy: It was ''Black 2 and White 2'' that gave Landorus its Therian Forme, which swifty became [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome one of the most used Pokémon in competitive formats]], even up to the present day. All thanks to a typing that gives it just two weaknesses, a high Attack stat, [[ConfusionFu a massive and dangerous movepool]], and access to both Intimidate and [[SwitchOutMove U-Turn]] to repeatedly damage a foe and escape bad matchups while lowering their Attack. Suffice to say, many players are sick of seeing everyone and their goldfish using it where possible (to the point where [[https://i.imgur.com/DgL6em3.jpg all the top five VGC 2015 teams featured it]]).

to:

* TierInducedScrappy: TierInducedScrappy:
**
It was ''Black 2 and White 2'' that gave Landorus its Therian Forme, which swifty became [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome one of the most used Pokémon in competitive formats]], even up to the present day. All thanks to a typing that gives it just two weaknesses, a high Attack stat, [[ConfusionFu a massive and dangerous movepool]], and access to both Intimidate and [[SwitchOutMove U-Turn]] to repeatedly damage a foe and escape bad matchups while lowering their Attack. Suffice to say, many players are sick of seeing everyone and their goldfish using it where possible (to the point where [[https://i.imgur.com/DgL6em3.jpg all the top five VGC 2015 teams featured it]]).it]]).
** Black Kyurem is this among legendaries: it was intended to be PurposelyOverpowered, but in practice it falters compared to White Kyurem, due to one key aspect; despite having a massive 170 Attack stat, it has barely any useful physical moves. Of note, it only learns ''one'' physical Ice-type move, which is the [[AwesomeButImpractical rather unreliable]] Freeze Shock.[[labelnote:*]]It ''did'' get a good physical Ice move in Gen VII with the Z-Move Subzero Slammer (when using Freeze Shock as the base move), but alas, ItOnlyWorksOnce.
This list shows the last 10 events of 666. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.PokemonBlack2AndWhite2