History YMMV / PokemonBlack2AndWhite2

10th Feb '17 10:10:21 AM Gosicrystal
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* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's [[NoExceptYes except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game]], unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.

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* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's [[NoExceptYes except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game]], game, unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.



** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''

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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, anime. In the end, the normal long-runner anime was not changed, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' two mini-animes were created with this concept (''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''''Anime/PokemonGenerations'').
18th Jan '17 3:24:18 PM Retloclive
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12th Dec '16 5:20:31 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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** The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"[[note]]in Japanese, "D-O-G-A-R-S", the Japanese name for Koffing[[/note]] non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker."

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** The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"[[note]]in Japanese, "D-O-G-A-R-S", the Japanese name for Koffing[[/note]] non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker."" The incredibly forced "ON" in Pokemon doesn't help.
7th Dec '16 11:16:04 AM ANewMan
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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and the Mega Evolution specials.

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** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and the Mega Evolution specials.later ''Anime/PokemonGenerations.''
7th Dec '16 9:51:03 AM ANewMan
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* DracoInLeatherPants: An alarming number of fans seem to interpret Colress as being an overall good guy who was complicit in Team Plasma's crimes for pragmatic reasons but is ultimately well meaning towards trainers and Pokemon, and "redeems" himself in the end. This interpretation seems to come from the fact that we barely ever ''see'' him as Team Plasma's new acting boss in N's place and when we finally do, he allows you to go derail Ghetsis' plans after defeating him in battle, but what they don't take into account is the reason he goes against Ghetsis is the exact same reason he joined him in the first place: he was curious as to what method could best bring out a Pokemon's fullest strength and he would turn to any means, even heartless and immoral ones, to further his research and fulfill his scientific agenda. He adapted to kinder and more caring means because they got him the better results - he never actually changed the person he was throughout the entire game. At best, Colress' way of thinking is morally gray bordering on morally bankrupt.



%%* EvilIsCool: Colress.

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%%* * EvilIsCool: Colress.Colress comes off this way. Ghetsis to a lesser extent.



** Colress.

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** Colress.Colress and Ghetsis both fit the bill.



** Not only that, but [[spoiler:after Ghetsis fuses Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, he mentions that ''even your Pokémon'' are shaking with rage at his actions...then proceeds to deny it because he believes that, as mere tools, Pokémon aren't supposed to feel anything.]]

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** Not only that, but [[spoiler:after Ghetsis fuses Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, Kyurem (that itself a dick move seeing as he's not truly Kyurem's trainer and has it under MindControl, meaning it had no consent to this forced fusion), he mentions that ''even your Pokémon'' are shaking with rage at his actions...then proceeds to deny it because he believes that, as mere tools, Pokémon aren't supposed to feel anything.]]
19th Nov '16 6:11:31 PM Segal991
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** You dim-witted...dense...dumb...daft...dippy...dorky...doltish [[AddedAlliteriveAppeal DOOFUS!]]

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** You dim-witted...dense...dumb...daft...dippy...dorky...doltish [[AddedAlliteriveAppeal [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal DOOFUS!]]
19th Nov '16 6:10:16 PM Segal991
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* InferredHalacaust: Just how many people in Opelucid City died after the aforementioned city was frozen?

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* InferredHalacaust: InferredHolocaust: Just how many people in Opelucid City died after the aforementioned city was frozen?



** You dim-witted...dense...dumb...daft...dippy...dorky...doltish DOOFUS!

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** You dim-witted...dense...dumb...daft...dippy...dorky...doltish DOOFUS![[AddedAlliteriveAppeal DOOFUS!]]
19th Nov '16 6:08:14 PM Segal991
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* InferredHalacaust: Just how many people in Opelucid City died after the aforementioned city was frozen?
13th Nov '16 8:58:16 PM mrbits
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** The games themselves are by far the most praised and beloved ''Pokémon'' games by [[Website/FourChan /vp/ users]] (and to a lesser extent, users on Website/GameFAQs' ''Pokémon'' boards). Elsewhere, the games are still well-liked but aren't as overwhelmingly loved as they are in those two communities.
13th Nov '16 8:56:11 PM mrbits
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** The Therian Kami trio were well-liked by fans upon release, for being the first "minor" legendary trio consisting of three different and unique animals, and for being new forms for the UndergroundMonkey Incarnate Kami Trio.
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