History YMMV / PokemonBlack2AndWhite2

23rd Mar '18 1:05:27 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* RuleSixtyThree: Rosa genderswapped [[WholesomeCrossdresser is ridiculously popular]] on Website/{{Pixiv}} due to a typo.
23rd Mar '18 1:00:42 PM Chasem
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the AudienceAlienatingPremise that was the lack of older Pokémon in the ''BW'' Unova Dex, the New Unova Dex was very well-received by the fandom and, for many people, helped the Gen V Pokémon feel like a more organic part of the franchise. It helps that many of the new (old?) additions were already fan-favorites in their own right, such as the Eeveelutions, Lucario,[[note]]which went on to become one of the most-used Pokémon in the game due to its early availability, usefulness and popularity[[/note]] Tyranitar and Metagross.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the AudienceAlienatingPremise that was the lack of older Pokémon in the ''BW'' Unova Dex, the New Unova Dex was very well-received by the fandom and, for many people, helped the Gen V Pokémon feel like a more organic part of the franchise. It helps that many of the new (old?) additions were already fan-favorites in their own right, such as the Eeveelutions, Lucario,[[note]]which went on to become one of the most-used Pokémon in the game due to its early availability, usefulness and popularity[[/note]] Tyranitar Tyranitar, Heracross and Metagross.
23rd Mar '18 12:59:10 PM Chasem
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the AudienceAlienatingPremise that was the lack of older Pokémon in the ''BW'' Unova Dex, the New Unova Dex was very well-received by the fandom and, for many people, helped the Gen V Pokémon feel like a more organic part of the franchise. It helps that many of the new (old?) additions were already fan-favorites in their own right, such as the Eeveelutions, Lucario,[[note]]which went on to become one of the most-used Pokémon in the game due to its early availability, usefulness and popularity[[/note]] Tyranitar and Metagross.
23rd Mar '18 12:31:00 PM Chasem
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* NeverLiveItDown: Detractors of ''[=B2W2=]'' will never forgive their overreliance on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection for a significant chunk of their features, especially as Nintendo WFC was shut down only ''one and a half years'' after the games' release.
23rd Mar '18 12:29:01 PM Chasem
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* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. In particular, while one of the most popular points of praise for ''[=B2W2=]'' is their plethora of bonus features, many players are struck with this when they realize that [[BonusFeatureFailure many of said features became defunct due to the WFC shutdown and/or are very difficult to access]]. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions",[[note]]fans who overglorify Gen V and bash anything related to Gen I or the 3DS entries,[[/note]] who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous generational fandoms and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".

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* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. In particular, while one of the most popular points of praise for ''[=B2W2=]'' is their plethora of bonus features, many players are struck with this trope when they realize that [[BonusFeatureFailure many of said features became defunct due to the WFC shutdown and/or are very difficult to access]]. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions",[[note]]fans who overglorify Gen V and bash anything related to Gen I or the 3DS entries,[[/note]] who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous generational fandoms and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".
23rd Mar '18 12:28:41 PM Chasem
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* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions",[[note]]fans who overglorify Gen V and bash anything related to Gen I or the 3DS entries,[[/note]] who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous generational fandoms and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".

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* HypeBacklash: Having a cult fanbase that endlessly touts the games as the "gold standard" of the series can be offputting for some other fans, ''especially'' given how fractured the ''Pokémon'' fanbase is in the first place and how few people have played ''[=B2W2=]'' compared to other games. In particular, while one of the most popular points of praise for ''[=B2W2=]'' is their plethora of bonus features, many players are struck with this when they realize that [[BonusFeatureFailure many of said features became defunct due to the WFC shutdown and/or are very difficult to access]]. Not helping manners is that ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are loved by "Unovabortions",[[note]]fans who overglorify Gen V and bash anything related to Gen I or the 3DS entries,[[/note]] who are considered to be the one of the more overzealous generational fandoms and have been likened to "BizarroWorld [[NostalgiaFilter genwunners]]".
23rd Mar '18 12:27:17 PM Chasem
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* VindicatedByHistory: When ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' were released, they were widely deemed inferior to the original ''Black'' and ''White'', became the worst-reviewed main series ''Pokémon'' games, and drew some controversy for their [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot unsatisfying conclusions]] to some of the plot threads in ''BW''. The games were also DS Games which was controversial among fans as they were anxious for 3DS Pokémon games even though Game Freak never designed two sets of Pokémon games from the same generation on two different platforms. Furthermore, the announcement of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' made ''[=B2W2=]'' look like they were merely meant to [[{{Filler}} tide fans over]] until the next generation. A couple years later, after ''X'' and ''Y'' proved to be controversial games in their own right and ''BW''[='s=] "Unova-only" dex fell out of favor, fans became a lot warmer towards ''[=B2W2=]'' for the various advantages it had over the other two sets of games. Points of praise include the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters huge Pokédex drawing from all five generations at the time]] with fan-favorites such as Lucario and Eevee alongside all the Unova Pokémon, the vast postgame with the Pokémon World Tournament and lots of catchable legendaries, and the sheer number of options and features available. Some fans even claim them to be the best games in the series, resulting in a FandomRivalry with the Gen I fans who were won over by ''X'' and ''Y''.

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When ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' were released, they were widely deemed inferior to the original ''Black'' and ''White'', became the worst-reviewed main series ''Pokémon'' games, and drew some controversy for their [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot unsatisfying conclusions]] to some of the plot threads in ''BW''. The games were also DS Games which was controversial among fans as they were anxious for 3DS Pokémon games even though Game Freak never designed two sets of Pokémon games from the same generation on two different platforms. Furthermore, the announcement of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' made ''[=B2W2=]'' look like they were merely meant to [[{{Filler}} tide fans over]] until the next generation. A couple years later, after ''X'' and ''Y'' proved to be controversial games in their own right and ''BW''[='s=] "Unova-only" dex fell out of favor, fans became a lot warmer towards ''[=B2W2=]'' for the various advantages it had over the other two sets of games. Points of praise include the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters huge Pokédex drawing from all five generations at the time]] with fan-favorites such as Lucario and Eevee alongside all the Unova Pokémon, the vast postgame with the Pokémon World Tournament and lots of catchable legendaries, and the sheer number of options and features available. Some fans even claim them to be the best games in the series, resulting in a FandomRivalry with the Gen I fans who were won over by ''X'' and ''Y''.''Y''.
** On the other hand, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' were screwed over big-time by the Nintendo WFC shutdown in 2014, which crippled many of their famed and praised bonus features (for example, Join Avenue's potential became severely limited and relies on the limited selection of NPC's); additionally, with the games' low sales in general, the Key System (which provides access to the coveted Challenge Mode and other features) became harder to use properly, with many people moving on to the more popular 3DS games. As such, for every fan singing the praises of ''[=B2W2=]'' and its vast amount of content, there's bound to be one complaining about [[BonusFeatureFailure how difficult said content is to access]], leading to HypeBacklash and causing the ''opposite'' of VindicatedByHistory. Many people who are fond of ''[=B2W2=]'' tend to use cheats and hacks for full access to the game's features, and the difference in opinion over using cheats/hacks in the first place is largely responsible for the divide over the games.
23rd Mar '18 12:18:58 PM Chasem
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** Opinions on ''[=B2W2=]'' are all over the place, albeit not as vocally as their predecessors and the 3DS entries due to their lower profile. Are they among the best games in the series, if not ''the'' best? Do they have a lot of potential that is nonetheless [[BonusFeatureFailure squandered]] due to bizarre, arbitrary design and restrictions[[note]]most infamously with Challenge Mode and the Key System in general[[/note]] and the Nintendo WFC shutdown? Were they not that outstanding in the first place, with the thinner plot and mess of convoluted bonus features being evidence that the series was running dry? While it's easy to find large groups of fans that share one of the above opinions, there's by no means universal agreement on any of them.
17th Feb '18 12:35:08 AM nombretomado
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* RuleSixtyThree: Rosa genderswapped [[WholesomeCrossdresser is ridiculously popular]] on {{Pixiv}} due to a typo.

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* RuleSixtyThree: Rosa genderswapped [[WholesomeCrossdresser is ridiculously popular]] on {{Pixiv}} Website/{{Pixiv}} due to a typo.
31st Jan '18 1:58:39 PM SkylaNoivern
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** N's backstory being revealed has also caused this in part of FanDislikedExplanation. While some fans feel that N being [[ConvenientlyAnOrphan an orphan who was abandoned by his parents and]] [[RaiedByWolves raised by Pokémon until Ghetsis took him in]] suits N (and in addition, play part into how easy N was manipulated into believing that Pokémon trainers were ever), some feel it to be anti-climatic and were disappointed that Ghetsis really hadn't stolen him from his parents, nor was he his real child.



** [[spoiler: N is confirmed to not be Ghetsis's real son, and wasn't stolen from his real parents either.]] [[BrokenBase Some fans]] find this to be a rather underwhelming reveal after the climax of the last game.

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** [[spoiler: N is confirmed to not be Ghetsis's real biological son, and wasn't stolen from his real actual parents either.]] [[BrokenBase Some fans]] find this to be a rather underwhelming reveal after the climax of the last game.
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