History YMMV / PinkFloyd

6th Apr '17 10:05:58 PM TimeLordVictorious
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3rd Apr '17 3:26:45 AM Acebrock
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* CreatorWorship: Started to become prominent after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'', and came to a head while touring for ''Music/{{Animals}}, when Roger Waters spat on a fan's face as he was trying to climb the barrier between the band and the audience, ''and reportedly made said fan's night!'' This incident, as well as Roger's realization that he was becoming a cold, destructive person, led to the creation of the very dark album ''Music/TheWall''.

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* CreatorWorship: Started to become prominent after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'', and came to a head while touring for ''Music/{{Animals}}, ''Music/{{Animals}}'', when Roger Waters spat on a fan's face as he was trying to climb the barrier between the band and the audience, ''and reportedly made said fan's night!'' This incident, as well as Roger's realization that he was becoming a cold, destructive person, led to the creation of the very dark album ''Music/TheWall''.
3rd Apr '17 3:26:26 AM Acebrock
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* CreatorWorship: Started to become prominent after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'', and came to a head while touring for ''Music/{{Animals}}, when Roger Waters spat on a fan's face as he was trying to climb the barrier between the band and the audience, ''and reportedly made said fan's night!'' This incident, as well as Roger's realization that he was becoming a cold, destructive person, led to the creation of the very dark album ''Music/TheWall''.
10th Mar '17 9:50:57 PM TimeLordVictorious
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8th Mar '17 1:01:16 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise:
** Waters' screaming in "CarefulWithThatAxe, Eugene".
** Or ''Pow R Toc H'', ''Several Species of Small Furry Animals...'' or any song with Waters' various bizarre, screechy, screamo, pterodactyl noises.
** The inhuman, maggot-like buzzing noises in "Hey You" after the line, "And the Worms ate into his brain" count as well.
25th Feb '17 12:01:00 PM TimeLordVictorious
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** Comparing many of the controversial things that UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump said to lyrics from "[[DarkReprise In the Flesh]]".
1st Feb '17 2:28:39 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Dear ''god'' ''The Endless River'' has become these. Most people tend to praise it for being Rick Wright's swan song by the band, but others ''very'' much hate it for coming off as incredibly weak, especially when most of the record is instrumentals. The lack of Roger Waters doesn't help matter too.

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** Dear ''god'' ''The Endless River'' has become these.this. Most people tend to praise it for being Rick Wright's swan song by the band, but others ''very'' much hate it for coming off as incredibly weak, especially when most of the record is instrumentals. The lack of Roger Waters doesn't help matter too.
1st Feb '17 2:28:14 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Dear ''god'' ''The Endless River'' has become these. Most people tend to praise it for being Rick Wright's swan song by the band, but others ''very'' much hate it for coming off as incredibly weak, especially when most of the record is instrumentals. The lack of Roger Waters doesn't help matter too.
18th Nov '16 8:57:08 AM JamesAustin
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece:
** "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" references several geopolitical hotspots in the early '80s: The UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict the war in Lebanon]] and UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar.
** Pink Floyd was always about using the latest and greatest recording technologies of the time. But 80's production has not aged well at all, giving ''A Momentary Lapse of Reason'' a very dated sound today.
18th Nov '16 8:30:58 AM JamesAustin
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* {{Anvilicious}}: ''The Final Cut'' (written [[IAmTheBand entirely by Waters]]) was released to protest England's involvement in UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar. Meanwhile, ''Animals'' makes it pretty clear that Waters doesn't exactly think very highly of capitalism or MoralGuardians, and ''Wish You Were Here'' is unlikely to leave anyone in much doubt as to his opinions on music industry executives.
** [[WeaselWords For many people]], anything Roger Waters has ever written is Anvilicious.
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Many of their songs can qualify as this for some listeners.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: ''The Final Cut'' (written [[IAmTheBand entirely by Waters]]) was released to protest England's involvement in UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar. Meanwhile, ''Animals'' makes it pretty clear that Waters doesn't exactly think very highly of capitalism or MoralGuardians, and ''Wish You Were Here'' is unlikely to leave anyone in much doubt as to his opinions on music industry executives.
** [[WeaselWords For
executives. Then again, for many people]], people, anything Roger Waters has ever written is Anvilicious.
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Many of their songs can qualify as this for some listeners.
Anvilicious.



* BrokenBase: Over ''The Final Cut'' and the post-Waters albums. In the former case there was a famous example where the editors of a Pink Floyd fan publication voted it their best album in the same issue as the fans voted it their worst. Then there's the matter with Music/SydBarrett's time with the band; some circles consider this period the only worthwhile moment in Floyd's history, while fans of the classic period consider it, as well as the band's pre-''Dark Side'' work as a whole, an oddity at best.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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Over ''The Final Cut'' and the post-Waters albums. In the former case there was a famous example where the editors of a Pink Floyd fan publication voted it their best album in the same issue as the fans voted it their worst. Then there's the matter with Music/SydBarrett's time with the band; some circles consider this period the only worthwhile moment in Floyd's history, while fans of the classic period consider it, as well as the band's pre-''Dark Side'' work as a whole, an oddity at best.



* CriticalBacklash: They triggered a big one at the height of their career. NME was the biggest culprit, with a [[AccentuateTheNegative notoriously scathing]] concert review from the mid-1970's. For the most popular band performing a major DeadHorseGenre, it seems inevitable that critics would run them through a wood chipper.
** Critics were not pleased that the '80s began with a ProgressiveRock band at #1.

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* CriticalBacklash: They triggered a big one at the height of their career. NME was the biggest culprit, with a [[AccentuateTheNegative notoriously scathing]] concert review from the mid-1970's. For the most popular band performing a major DeadHorseGenre, it seems inevitable that critics would run them through a wood chipper.
** Critics were
chipper and would be not pleased that the '80s began with a ProgressiveRock band at #1.



* DorkAge: The band members themselves see the period between Syd Barrett leaving and the release of ''Music/{{Meddle}}'' as this.

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* DorkAge: DorkAge:
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The band members themselves see the period between Syd Barrett leaving and the release of ''Music/{{Meddle}}'' as this.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: Upon Wright's death, David Gilmour remarked that when Wright played with him on his tour supporting Gilmour's solo album ''On an Island'', Wright got the biggest standing ovation when he introduced the band members.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Upon Wright's death, David Gilmour remarked that when Wright played with him on his tour supporting Gilmour's solo album ''On an Island'', Wright got the biggest standing ovation when he introduced the band members.



* HarsherInHindsight: ''Music/TheFinalCut'' by Pink Floyd is both disturbingly prophetic and harrowing to listen to. Granted, the album was protesting the 1982 invasion of the Falkland Islands by the UK, but the track "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" features someone (Roger Waters) screaming, "Hey! Get your filthy hands off my desert!", followed shortly by the sound of an airplane (or possibly artillery shells or missiles: It's really quite nondescript) flying over and an explosion. Yikes.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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''Music/TheFinalCut'' by Pink Floyd is both disturbingly prophetic and harrowing to listen to. Granted, the album was protesting the 1982 invasion of the Falkland Islands by the UK, but the track "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" features someone (Roger Waters) screaming, "Hey! Get your filthy hands off my desert!", followed shortly by the sound of an airplane (or possibly artillery shells or missiles: It's really quite nondescript) flying over and an explosion. Yikes.



-->''His head did no thinking, his arms didn't move...''
** "The Great Gig in the Sky", which Richard Wright composed, after his death.
*** And the fact that Syd passed away not long before Rick.
*** Somewhat similarly, "Dogs" contains the lyrics "Just another sad old man / all alone and dying of cancer" which become much harsher when you realize Richard Wright died of cancer and that he suffered from depression.
** Nick Mason joking that "we lust after money to some extent" in ''Live in Pompeii'' becomes harsher in light of the difficulties Pink Floyd had in dealing with their success after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. The joke itself also becomes a bit more serious since in a previous interview section, David Gilmour states that he had a "breadline or less" existence before joining Pink Floyd. (Gilmour is actually [[{{Understatement}} understating]] it: He unsuccessfully busked around Spain and France before joining Pink Floyd and actually required treatment for malnutrition.)
* HellIsThatNoise: Waters' screaming in "CarefulWithThatAxe, Eugene".

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-->''His --->''His head did no thinking, his arms didn't move...''
** "The Great Gig in the Sky", which Richard Wright composed, after his death.
*** And the fact
death, especially given that Syd passed away not long before Rick.
***
it's one of the rare compositions credited to him. Somewhat similarly, "Dogs" contains the lyrics "Just another sad old man / all alone and dying of cancer" which become much harsher when you realize Richard Wright died of cancer and that he suffered from depression.
** Nick Mason joking that "we lust after money to some extent" in ''Live in Pompeii'' becomes harsher in light of the difficulties Pink Floyd had in dealing with their success after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. The joke itself also becomes a bit more serious since in a previous interview section, David Gilmour states that he had a "breadline or less" existence before joining Pink Floyd. (Gilmour is actually [[{{Understatement}} understating]] {{understat|ement}}ing it: He unsuccessfully busked around Spain and France before joining Pink Floyd and actually required treatment for malnutrition.)
* HellIsThatNoise: HellIsThatNoise:
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Waters' screaming in "CarefulWithThatAxe, Eugene".



** Waters spitting in a fan's face on the final show of the tour for ''Animals'', which included the lyric "Who was trained not to spit in the fan?" (from "Dogs"). Though if it is funny [[FunnyAneurysmMoment or not]], is up to you.
*** When that concert was bootlegged, the bootleg was predictably named ''Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan?''.

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** Waters spitting in a fan's face on the final show of the tour for ''Animals'', which included the lyric "Who was trained not to spit in the fan?" (from "Dogs"). Though if it is funny [[FunnyAneurysmMoment or not]], is up to you.
***
you. When that concert was bootlegged, the bootleg was predictably named ''Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan?''.



-->''Beyond the horizon in the place we lived when we were young,''\\

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-->''Beyond --->''Beyond the horizon in the place we lived when we were young,''\\



** During the odd 1967 interview with Hans Keller, Keller asks "Do you feel any hostility towards the audience?" in which Roger Waters answers with an ''emphatic'' "No! Not at all!". ''Fast forward to Montreal in 1977, however....''
*** Somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]], in that the audiences they had in 1967 as an underground British psychedelic band ''were'' considerably smaller, more intimate, and manageable than the ones they'd play to by the late 1970's as a successful "arena rock" band. Roger had a lot more reason to feel hostile as they played to bigger, rowdier crowds than in their earlier years.

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** During the odd 1967 interview with Hans Keller, Keller asks "Do you feel any hostility towards the audience?" in which Roger Waters answers with an ''emphatic'' "No! Not at all!". ''Fast forward to Montreal in 1977, however....''
*** Somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]], in that
'' Of course, the audiences they had in 1967 as an underground British psychedelic band ''were'' considerably smaller, more intimate, and manageable than the ones they'd play to by the late 1970's as a successful "arena rock" band. Roger had a lot more reason to feel hostile as they played to bigger, rowdier crowds than in their earlier years.



* [[JustHereForGodzilla Just Here For Pink Floyd:]] Generally the case in the rare instances where people go out of their way to see the films ''La Valée'' or ''More''. Often the case with ''Film/ZabriskiePoint'', too.
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: How a number of Floyd fans see Roger Waters (considering his activism, philanthropy and such) while others just see a {{jerkass}} who's got a massive ego. Depending on who you ask, he's either these and/or TheArtist, InsufferableGenius, AntiHero, DracoInLeatherPants, KnowNothingKnowItAll, SmallNameBigEgo, SmugSnake, NotEvilJustMisunderstood, JerkassWoobie, etc.

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* [[JustHereForGodzilla Just Here For Pink Floyd:]] JerkassWoobie: Roger Waters from around the development ''The Wall'' onward.
* JustHereForGodzilla:
Generally the case in the rare instances where people go out of their way to see the films ''More'' or ''La Valée'' or ''More''. Valée'', the films for which ''Music/{{More}}'' and ''Music/ObscuredByClouds'' respectively were composed as soundtrack albums. Often the case with ''Film/ZabriskiePoint'', too.
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: How a number of
too, to the point that its soundtrack album is generally promoted for containing Pink Floyd fans see Roger Waters (considering his activism, philanthropy songs, even though they were certainly not the only band whose work was used on the soundtrack, though they did make the biggest contribution, including new material specifically written and such) while others just see a {{jerkass}} who's got a massive ego. Depending on who you ask, he's either these and/or TheArtist, InsufferableGenius, AntiHero, DracoInLeatherPants, KnowNothingKnowItAll, SmallNameBigEgo, SmugSnake, NotEvilJustMisunderstood, JerkassWoobie, etc.recorded for it.



** Many of their album covers.

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** Many of their album covers.covers, especially ''The Dark Side of the Moon'' and ''Wish You Were Here''.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Many of their songs can qualify as this for some listeners.



* ToughActToFollow: The whole band while making ''Wish You Were Here''. Not only were they trying to follow up a massive hit album, Roger and Nick were both going through divorces. Eventually Waters decided the only way the album was going to get done was to make it about the pressures and sense of alienation the band were experiencing then and there, even though it meant throwing out about half the material they had at that point (most of the discarded material was later reworked as the songs "Dogs" and "Sheep", from ''Music/{{Animals}}'').

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* ToughActToFollow: ToughActToFollow:
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The whole band while making ''Wish You Were Here''. Not only were they trying to follow up a massive hit album, Roger and Nick were both going through divorces. Eventually Waters decided the only way the album was going to get done was to make it about the pressures and sense of alienation the band were experiencing then and there, even though it meant throwing out about half the material they had at that point (most of the discarded material was later reworked as the songs "Dogs" and "Sheep", from ''Music/{{Animals}}'').



* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: "Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" references several geopolitical hotspots in the early '80s: The UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict the war in Lebanon]] and UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: UnintentionalPeriodPiece:
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"Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert" references several geopolitical hotspots in the early '80s: The UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict the war in Lebanon]] and UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar.



** Like a lot of classic rock bands, including Music/LedZeppelin, critics '''''HATED''''' them in TheSeventies but proclaim the band as geniuses today.
*** Rolling Stone famously lambasted ''Wish You Were Here'', declaring it "''actually nothing more than the skillful manipulation of elements so simple -- the [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth basic three chords]] everyone else uses -- that any collection of bar hacks could grind out a note-for-note reproduction without difficulty''", and complaining that "''they give such a matter-of-fact reading of the goddamn thing that they might as well be singing about Roger Waters's brother-in-law getting a parking ticket''". [[{{Retcon}} 30 years later]], it was included on their ''500 Greatest Albums of All Time''.

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** Like a lot of classic rock bands, including Music/LedZeppelin, critics '''''HATED''''' them in TheSeventies but proclaim the band as geniuses today.
*** Rolling Stone
today. ''Rolling Stone'' famously lambasted ''Wish You Were Here'', declaring it "''actually nothing more than the skillful manipulation of elements so simple -- the [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth basic three chords]] everyone else uses -- that any collection of bar hacks could grind out a note-for-note reproduction without difficulty''", and complaining that "''they give such a matter-of-fact reading of the goddamn thing that they might as well be singing about Roger Waters's brother-in-law getting a parking ticket''". [[{{Retcon}} 30 years later]], it was included on their ''500 Greatest Albums of All Time''.



** JerkassWoobie: Roger Waters from around the development ''The Wall'' onward.
* YokoOhNo: Some fans and critics deride Gilmour's wife Polly Samson as this, as she has helped write lyrics for songs on ''The Division Bell'' and ''Music/TheEndlessRiver''. While her lyrics are pretty trite in comparison to Waters', she personally influenced Gilmour to sober up from a difficult substance abuse problem which was caused by all the pressures he suffered from the mid/late 80s.
** Gilmour, who considers himself a sub-par lyricist without Samson, hired musician Anthony Moore to help assist with lyrics for '' A Momentary Lapse of Reason''. And while he and Mason are loathe to admit it, they admit that Waters' penchant for lyrics was missed at the time.

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** JerkassWoobie: Roger Waters from around the development ''The Wall'' onward.
* YokoOhNo: Some fans and critics deride Gilmour's wife Polly Samson as this, as she has helped write lyrics for songs on ''The Division Bell'' and ''Music/TheEndlessRiver''. While her lyrics are pretty trite in comparison to Waters', she personally influenced Gilmour to sober up from a difficult substance abuse problem which was caused by all the pressures he suffered from the mid/late 80s.
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80s. Gilmour, who considers himself a sub-par lyricist without Samson, hired musician Anthony Moore to help assist with lyrics for '' A ''A Momentary Lapse of Reason''. And while he and Mason are loathe to admit it, they admit that Waters' penchant for lyrics was missed at the time.
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