History YMMV / PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies

22nd Jan '17 5:01:51 AM Aker-Sama
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** [[{{Meido}} Jinxie Tenma]] is another beloved character, partly because she's quite funny, partly because she's Trucy's friend, but mostly because she's just plain ''[[{{Moe}} adorable]]''. There was much rejoicing when she made a surprise re-appearance in ''[[PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]'', in the form of a note addressed to Trucy and Apollo.


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** Jinxie Tenma, the resident ShrinkingViolet {{Meido}}, as well.
7th Jan '17 7:08:25 AM MummyGaGa
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* HarsherInHindsight: Let's face it. As noted above, a lot of things related to [[spoiler: Bobby Fulbright became a lot more harsher after TheReveal.]]


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* PlayerPunch: Oh boy, the last two cases was not kind to a lot of people. [[spoiler: First of all, Apollo decided to leave the office to work by himself in order to find out who really killed his friend. Second of all, Athena managed to be accused of murdering Clay after the BigBad made everybody believe her "fingerprints" were found on the lighter. Third of all, Trucy got kidnapped by Aura Blackwell as an attempt to redo Simon's trial. Fourth of all, Athena was accused of murdering her mother and almost everybody including Athena believed that. Fifth of all, Bobby Fulbright ended up being DeadAllAlong as the BigBad killed him to do a DeadPersonImpersonation on him.]]
3rd Jan '17 2:20:38 PM MayIncon
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** [[http://jadenkaiba.deviantart.com/art/Artwork-Athena-Minerva-Ace-Attorney-314022167 This OC]] was drawn almost one year before ''Dual Destinies'' came out. Both are redhead lawyers wearing a yellow and white suit, both are named Athena.

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** [[http://jadenkaiba.deviantart.com/art/Artwork-Athena-Minerva-Ace-Attorney-314022167 This OC]] was drawn almost one year before ''Dual Destinies'' came out. Both are redhead lawyers wearing a yellow and white suit, both listen to other people's hearts, and are named Athena.
30th Dec '16 11:17:02 AM MayIncon
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** [[http://jadenkaiba.deviantart.com/art/Artwork-Athena-Minerva-Ace-Attorney-314022167 This OC]] was drawn almost one Year before ''Dual Destinies'' came out

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** [[http://jadenkaiba.deviantart.com/art/Artwork-Athena-Minerva-Ace-Attorney-314022167 This OC]] was drawn almost one Year year before ''Dual Destinies'' came outout. Both are redhead lawyers wearing a yellow and white suit, both are named Athena.
29th Dec '16 10:02:20 AM MayIncon
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** Localizing the name Hosuke Odoroki into Apollo Justice pays off in this game, especially because he gets a new co-worker named Athena Cykes. Apollo's namesake is commonly associated with the sun, while Athena gets a lunar motif as seen in her overall design and Japanese name. Juniper even manages to include a sun metaphor at one point. Plus, the names of Greek gods are commonly used in astronomy, coinciding Apollo and Athena's connections to the Cosmos Space Center (Apollo via his best friend Clay while Athena spent most of her childhood there).
27th Dec '16 8:51:21 PM Angeldeb82
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* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace Attorney Investigations]]''
* ''[[YMMV/DaiGyakutenSaibanNaruhodouRyuunosukeNoBouken Dai Gyakuten Saiban]]''

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* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace ''YMMV/{{Ace Attorney Investigations]]''
Investigations|MilesEdgeworth}}''
* ''[[YMMV/DaiGyakutenSaibanNaruhodouRyuunosukeNoBouken Dai ''YMMV/{{Dai Gyakuten Saiban]]''Saiban|NaruhodouRyuunosukeNoBouken}}''



** [[spoiler: Simon's]] testimony during the final case. Which requires you to use both the Mood Matrix and present evidence, something that hasn't been done together before this point.

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** [[spoiler: Simon's]] testimony during the final case. Which requires you to use both the Mood Matrix and present evidence, something that hasn't been done together before this point. You have to be careful though: mess up too many times, [[spoiler:and Blackquill will not only get convicted, [[ItsAWonderfulFailure but he will die]] (you heard right: '''''die!''''') [[ItsAWonderfulFailure at the hands of the state]]!]]



** [[spoiler: The phantom and by extension Bobby Fulbright]] is actually a plot relevant example that is crucial to the final case. [[spoiler: Since he cannot feel emotions the same way normal people do, his emotions don't match up with his expressions when the Mood Matrix is used against him. And when he is forced to improvise, he often says statements that contradict with his facial reaction, or just has a deadpan face entirely. Gets worse when he starts pulling off his masks, having different characters "heads" on Fulbright's "body", including the aforementioned Means. His eyes also start bulging out when he starts to feel fear. This gets [[UpToEleven even worse]] during his VillainousBreakdown, which he rapidly pulls off his masks, trying to figure out who he really is]].

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** [[spoiler: The phantom and by extension Bobby Fulbright]] is actually a plot relevant example that is crucial to the final case. [[spoiler: Since he cannot feel emotions the same way normal people do, his emotions don't match up with his expressions when the Mood Matrix is used against him. And when he is forced to improvise, he often says statements that contradict with his facial reaction, or just has a deadpan face entirely. Gets worse when he starts pulling off his masks, having different characters "heads" on Fulbright's "body", including the aforementioned Means. His eyes also start bulging out when he starts to feel fear. This gets [[UpToEleven even worse]] during his VillainousBreakdown, which he rapidly pulls off his masks, trying to figure out who he really is]].is.]]
27th Dec '16 4:45:31 PM Drope
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* BestLevelEver: The DLC Case is considered by many to be the "[[ThatOneLevel Turnabout Big Top]] Done Right", featuring quirky, colorful characters who are actually likable instead of annoying, a fun atmosphere and a genuinely surprising and well-done twist.
27th Dec '16 4:43:27 PM Drope
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* BestLevelEver: The DLC Case is considered by many to be the "[[ThatOneLevel Turnabout Big Top]] Done Right", featuring quirky, colorful characters who are actually likable instead of annoying, a fun atmosphere and a genuinely surprising and well-done twist.
22nd Dec '16 7:38:23 PM Someoneman
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* AllegedlyFreeGame: The iOS port is free to download and gives you the full chapter 1 for free. Each subsequent chapter costs US$4.99. However, the full game on iOS is still cheaper than the 3DS version by a whopping 16 US Dollars.



** This game is only getting a digital release in the West. Camps are already forming between the fans who don't care and are happy the game is getting localized at all and the ones who hate the decision and want to boycott Capcom entirely. The reason given for the digital only release was that "the previous games never got much support in retail", despite the fact that the reason for this was that Capcom's advertising push for the series was always minimal at best, favoring home console titles like ''Resident Evil'' or ''Devil May Cry'' instead. The biggest point of contention for the digital-only release is that Nintendo's [=eShop=] only allows one console to use any particular piece of purchased content at a time--transfers are possible, but only by taking two consoles and transferring the rights from one console to another, after which the content on the original console will be deleted. In other words, there's no contingency for simply downloading previously purchased content onto a new device (unlike, say, UsefulNotes/{{Steam}}) if the original [=3DS=] is lost or broken somehow.
*** European fans are ''even more'' divided on the issue, as this game, unlike the previous ones, did not benefit from any non-English translation. Some are fine with the game being digital-only but lament the fact that such a dialogue-heavy game cannot be properly enjoyed without a fluent level of English, while others don't mind English being the only available language (either because they see it as a necessary evil to get the game released in Europe at all, have a sufficient level of English to enjoy it themselves, see it as an opportunity to improve said level of English, or disliked the previous translations to begin with) but desperately wish they could physically own the game. And of course, there's also those who are frustrated by both issues, and conversely those who don't care about either.
*** And then there's the issue that the eShop is unavailable in several countries that are getting NTSC/UC consoles. Namely, Southeast Asia. Some fans in the region aren't pleased and wanted to boycott Capcom as well, some wanted to petition Capcom to release the game on cartridge, while others in the region just bite the bullet, spoof their console's location, and pay through their nose for gift cards to buy the game.

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** This game is only getting a digital release in the West. Camps are already forming between the fans who don't care and are happy the game is getting localized at all and the ones who hate the decision and want to boycott Capcom entirely. The reason given for the digital only release was that "the previous games never got much support in retail", despite the fact that the reason for this was that Capcom's advertising push for the series was always minimal at best, favoring home console titles like ''Resident Evil'' or ''Devil May Cry'' instead. The biggest point of contention for the digital-only release is that Nintendo's [=eShop=] only allows one console to use any particular piece of purchased content at a time--transfers are possible, but only by taking two consoles and transferring the rights from one console to another, after which the content on the original console will be deleted. In other words, there's no contingency for simply downloading previously purchased content onto a new device (unlike, say, UsefulNotes/{{Steam}}) if the original [=3DS=] is lost or broken somehow.
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somehow. European fans are ''even more'' divided on the issue, as this game, unlike the previous ones, did not benefit from any non-English translation. Some are fine with the game being digital-only but lament the fact that such a dialogue-heavy game cannot be properly enjoyed without a fluent level of English, while others don't mind English being the only available language (either because they see it as a necessary evil to get the game released in Europe at all, have a sufficient level of English to enjoy it themselves, see it as an opportunity to improve said level of English, or disliked the previous translations to begin with) but desperately wish they could physically own the game. And of course, there's also those who are frustrated by both issues, and conversely those who don't care about either.
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either. And then there's the issue that the eShop is unavailable in several countries that are getting NTSC/UC consoles. Namely, Southeast Asia. Some fans in the region aren't pleased and wanted to boycott Capcom as well, some wanted to petition Capcom to release the game on cartridge, while others in the region just bite the bullet, spoof their console's location, and pay through their nose for gift cards to buy the game.



** Upon fixing Klavier's statue in case 3, Athena notes, "[[Music/{{Queen}} Don't stop me now! The artist inside me wants to get out and have a good time!]]". Hilariously, just ''four'' years before, the makers of ''Osu!'', an open source ''VideoGame/EliteBeatAgents'' clone, [[http://youtu.be/p3QjSMXRYnQ created a demo]] using the referenced Queen song ''and'' ''Ace Attorney'' characters to showcase the game's then-new story-branching feature (which allows the game to change the outcome of the plot based on how well the player is doing).

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** Upon fixing Klavier's statue in case 3, Athena notes, "[[Music/{{Queen}} Don't stop me now! The artist inside me wants to get out and have a good time!]]". Hilariously, just ''four'' years before, the makers of ''Osu!'', ''VideoGame/{{Osu}}'', an open source ''VideoGame/EliteBeatAgents'' clone, [[http://youtu.be/p3QjSMXRYnQ created a demo]] using the referenced Queen song ''and'' ''Ace Attorney'' characters to showcase the game's then-new story-branching feature (which allows the game to change the outcome of the plot based on how well the player is doing).



* IronWoobie:
** [[spoiler: Simon Blackquill willingly went to jail for seven years for a crime he didn't commit to protect the victim's very young daughter, and refuses to try and prove his own innocence out of fear of putting suspicion onto her and by case five is a day away from his ''execution''. Then his desperate older sister kidnaps people so he is forced to fight for his innocence and sure enough, Athena (the person he's doing all of this for) gets accused in short order. By the end of case 5 you just want to hug the guy.]]
** Apollo would also count. In the very first case, he's going to defend Juniper of her murder charges, even as he's heavily bandaged from injuries sustained when a court room was blown up. [[spoiler:We then learn that not long ago, his best friend was murdered and he's been going on a quest by himself to try to find the truth behind it. In the process, he sees that it's very likely that ''Athena'', his friend and co-worker, committed the crime. While he really, ''really'' wants to believe she didn't do it, he simply ''can't'', until Phoenix is able to use evidence to prove it. And after Athena's found innocent, [[HitMeDammit he asks that she punch him]] because he feels so horrible about thinking she was guilty.]]



* ShowDontTell: The so-called "Dark Age of the Law", for being mentioned all the time, really is not shown all that well. Sure, we get to learn that there's some obvious corruption going on in a prominent lawyer academy, but that aside, the shenanigans involving forged evidence, deception, corruption and wrong judgments have all been shown in previous games, arguably even moreso than in this one, since only two pieces of genuinely, intentionally forged evidence are shown in this game, making one wonder how the current times are worse than the past.
** There are some problems with this in the first case, too. Instead of showing us Juniper is terrified, letting her words and actions speak for themselves, Athena hammers it in that she's terrified (of Payne, of the courtroom itself, and the memory). Which would be fine, except Fear doesn't override her testimony, even though Athena implicitly states that "her heart is crying out" in terror thanks to the memory of the bombing.



* ThatOneLevel: In Turnabout Reclaimed, the "Special Episode", [[spoiler: Marlon Rimes's "flip-flop" testimony. It's far enough from English that it's basically unintelligible [[note]]To elaborate, it's LeetLingo, [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate speak]] and [[JiveTurkey over-the-top rapping lingo]] blended together into a mix that's nigh unreadable[[/note]], it suffers from all-caps syndrome, and it takes two or three steps to break.]] While it's extremely straightforward to work out which piece of evidence to present, it's borderline impossible to work out which ''statement'' to present it on. [[spoiler:The trick is to press and see what he talks about during that pressing, not what he raps about in the main statement. It's the first statement that you need to present it on]].

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* ThatOneLevel: ThatOneLevel:
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In Turnabout Reclaimed, the "Special Episode", [[spoiler: Marlon Rimes's "flip-flop" testimony. It's far enough from English that it's basically unintelligible [[note]]To elaborate, it's LeetLingo, [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate speak]] and [[JiveTurkey over-the-top rapping lingo]] blended together into a mix that's nigh unreadable[[/note]], it suffers from all-caps syndrome, and it takes two or three steps to break.]] While it's extremely straightforward to work out which piece of evidence to present, it's borderline impossible to work out which ''statement'' to present it on. [[spoiler:The trick is to press and see what he talks about during that pressing, not what he raps about in the main statement. It's the first statement that you need to present it on]].



* UncannyValley: Aristotle Means, resembling a Greek statue, looks kind of out of place with everyone else. His [[TheUnSmile smile]] is even regarded as this in-universe.

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* UncannyValley: UncannyValley:
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Aristotle Means, resembling a Greek statue, looks kind of out of place with everyone else. His [[TheUnSmile smile]] is even regarded as this in-universe.



** [[spoiler: Yuri Cosmos]] can be considered one by the end of the fourth case. [[spoiler: Incredibly pompous though he is, it's hard not to feel sorry for him when he's genuinely terrified by the phantom's presence. He looks utterly broken and pitiful at the end. He's also a good man at heart, truly loving his space station and doing what he could to save the lives of his employees.]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:he didn't even do anything wrong (unless you count not coming forward with his suspicions about the bombing right away), but his reputation took a huge hit because of the way Phoenix made him look in court.]] In the epilogue [[spoiler:it's even revealed he got demoted, though only to "assistant director"... of the space center that ''bears his name'', mind you.]]

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** [[spoiler: Yuri Cosmos]] can be considered one by the end of the fourth case. [[spoiler: Incredibly pompous though he is, it's hard not to feel sorry for him when he's genuinely terrified by the phantom's presence. He looks utterly broken and pitiful at the end. He's also a good man at heart, truly loving his space station and doing what he could to save the lives of his employees.]]
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]] Also, [[spoiler:he didn't even do anything wrong (unless you count not coming forward with his suspicions about the bombing right away), but his reputation took a huge hit because of the way Phoenix made him look in court.]] In the epilogue [[spoiler:it's even revealed he got demoted, though only to "assistant director"... of the space center that ''bears his name'', mind you.]]



** IronWoobie: [[spoiler: Simon Blackquill willingly went to jail for seven years for a crime he didn't commit to protect the victim's very young daughter, and refuses to try and prove his own innocence out of fear of putting suspicion onto her and by case five is a day away from his ''execution''. Then his desperate older sister kidnaps people so he is forced to fight for his innocence and sure enough, Athena (the person he's doing all of this for) gets accused in short order. By the end of case 5 you just want to hug the guy.]]
** Apollo would also count. In the very first case, he's going to defend Juniper of her murder charges, even as he's heavily bandaged from injuries sustained when a court room was blown up. [[spoiler:We then learn that not long ago, his best friend was murdered and he's been going on a quest by himself to try to find the truth behind it. In the process, he sees that it's very likely that ''Athena'', his friend and co-worker, committed the crime. While he really, ''really'' wants to believe she didn't do it, he simply ''can't'', until Phoenix is able to use evidence to prove it. And after Athena's found innocent, [[HitMeDammit he asks that she punch him]] because he feels so horrible about thinking she was guilty.]]
* {{Woolseyism}}: In Case 5-2, it is stated that the Nine Tailed Fox defeated the Youkai Tenma Taro and sealed him in a locked cave where a mansion is later built. Youkai were supposed to be hundreds if not thousand-year-old folktales from Japan, but in the western version of the game, the series is set somewhere in California. It is stated in the game that Nine-Tails Vale and Tenma Town were founded by Japanese immigrants, and Japanese immigration to the United States began sometime in the 1800's. This would mean that two Japanese Youkai somehow crossed the Pacific Ocean during 1800's and fought an epic battle on California soil.

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* {{Woolseyism}}:
** IronWoobie: [[spoiler: Simon Blackquill willingly went to jail for seven years for a crime he didn't commit to protect the victim's very young daughter, and refuses to try and prove his own innocence out of fear of putting suspicion onto her and by case five is a day away from his ''execution''. Then his desperate older sister kidnaps people so he is forced to fight for his innocence and sure enough, Athena (the person he's doing all of this for) gets accused in short order. By the end of case 5 you just want to hug the guy.]]
** Apollo would also count. In the very first case, he's going to defend Juniper of her murder charges, even as he's heavily bandaged from injuries sustained when a court room was blown up. [[spoiler:We then learn that not long ago, his best friend was murdered and he's been going on a quest by himself to try to find the truth behind it. In the process, he sees that it's very likely that ''Athena'', his friend and co-worker, committed the crime. While he really, ''really'' wants to believe she didn't do it, he simply ''can't'', until Phoenix is able to use evidence to prove it. And after Athena's found innocent, [[HitMeDammit he asks that she punch him]] because he feels so horrible about thinking she was guilty.]]
* {{Woolseyism}}:
In Case 5-2, it is stated that the Nine Tailed Fox defeated the Youkai Tenma Taro and sealed him in a locked cave where a mansion is later built. Youkai were supposed to be hundreds if not thousand-year-old folktales from Japan, but in the western version of the game, the series is set somewhere in California. It is stated in the game that Nine-Tails Vale and Tenma Town were founded by Japanese immigrants, and Japanese immigration to the United States began sometime in the 1800's. This would mean that two Japanese Youkai somehow crossed the Pacific Ocean during 1800's and fought an epic battle on California soil.
11th Dec '16 7:21:40 PM Angeldeb82
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* ShipToShipCombat: [[TrueCompanions Apollo/Athena]] shippers don't seem to get along well with [[SavvyGuyEnergeticGirl Athena/Blackquill]] and [[RescueRomance Apollo/Juniper]] fans. [[LesYay Athena/Juniper]] shippers wisely tend to stay away.

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* ShipToShipCombat: [[TrueCompanions Apollo/Athena]] shippers don't seem to get along well with [[SavvyGuyEnergeticGirl Athena/Blackquill]] and [[RescueRomance Apollo/Juniper]] fans. [[LesYay [[HoYay Athena/Juniper]] shippers wisely tend to stay away.
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