History YMMV / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

28th Jul '16 1:12:25 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Franziska von Karma, Manfred von Karma's daughter, or specifically [[spoiler: her behavior in 2-4, and her epilogue scene with Edgeworth.]] While she's (intentionally) unlikeable during the first two cases, her behavior later [[CharacterDevelopment changes and matures]]. Fans are divided.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Franziska von Karma, Manfred von Karma's daughter, or specifically [[spoiler: her behavior in 2-4, and her epilogue scene with Edgeworth.]] While she's (intentionally) unlikeable during the first two cases, her behavior later [[CharacterDevelopment changes and matures]]. Fans are divided.



* BaseBreaker: Godot. See AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.

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%% * BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Godot. See AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.
25th Jul '16 11:38:47 AM Pokedude14
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**In the tutorial case, when asked who the victim is, one of the options is Mia. Come the very next case, and she is indeed the victim.
25th Jul '16 10:44:26 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma, as a prosecutor]], had a flawless, decades-long win streak, until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to have him penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom, causing [[spoiler:von Karma]] to become enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun, which fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. For revenge, [[spoiler:von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler:von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, [[TheCorrupter twisting the boy to fit his views]] and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and [[FrameUp pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth]], intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that he himself was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma, as Karma]] is the BigBad of the first game. [[spoiler:As a prosecutor]], he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to have him penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom, causing [[spoiler:von Karma]] to become enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun, which fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. For revenge, [[spoiler:von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler:von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, [[TheCorrupter twisting the boy to fit his views]] and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and [[FrameUp pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth]], intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that he himself was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.
23rd Jul '16 2:52:46 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** [[spoiler: Manfred von Karma.]] As a prosecutor, he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, and [[FridgeHorror is most likely responsible for hundreds of defendants' false charges and subsequent executions, making him an indirect mass murderer]]. until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to (rightfully) have [[spoiler: von Karma]] penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom. Although Gregory still lost the case, [[spoiler: von Karma]] was enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Unfortunately, right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun. The gun fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. Unbeknownst to the people in the elevator, [[spoiler: von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. In revenge for the black mark against his record, [[spoiler: von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler: von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, twisting the boy to fit his views and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth, intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler: Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that ''he himself'' was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.
** [[spoiler:Redd White]]. He remorselessly killed Mia (even ''smiling'' while doing so), framed Maya for it, ruined their mother and family, made Grossberg's life a living hell ForTheEvulz, assaulted Phoenix and later framed him for Mia's murder as well, knowingly ruined countless people's lives with his blackmail business, even driving more than a few to suicide, all just to preserve his own hedonistic lifestyle.

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* CompleteMonster:
** [[spoiler: Manfred
CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma.]] As Karma, as a prosecutor, he prosecutor]], had a flawless, decades-long win streak, and [[FridgeHorror is most likely responsible for hundreds of defendants' false charges and subsequent executions, making him an indirect mass murderer]]. until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to (rightfully) have [[spoiler: von Karma]] him penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom. Although Gregory still lost the case, [[spoiler: von courtroom, causing [[spoiler:von Karma]] was to become enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Unfortunately, right Right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun. The gun gun, which fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. Unbeknownst to the people in the elevator, [[spoiler: von [[spoiler:Von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. In revenge for the black mark against his record, [[spoiler: von For revenge, [[spoiler:von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler: von [[spoiler:von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, [[TheCorrupter twisting the boy to fit his views views]] and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and [[FrameUp pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth, Edgeworth]], intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler: Von [[spoiler:Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that ''he himself'' he himself was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.
** [[spoiler:Redd White]]. He remorselessly killed Mia (even ''smiling'' while doing so), framed Maya for it, ruined their mother and family, made Grossberg's life a living hell ForTheEvulz, assaulted Phoenix and later framed him for Mia's murder as well, knowingly ruined countless people's lives with his blackmail business, even driving more than a few to suicide, all just to preserve his own hedonistic lifestyle.
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BitchInSheepsClothing Dahlia]] [[EnfantTerrible Hawthorne]]]], the BigBad, previously manipulated her ManChild boyfriend into assisting her in a crime, before framing him for murder and ensuring [[DrivenToSuicide his suicide to cover her tracks]]. She later poisoned the lover of the prosecutor Mia Fey when he got too close to her crimes, before she seduced Phoenix Wright as well. When her twin sister Iris fell for Phoenix, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] accelerated her plans to poison him. When an ex-lover of hers tried to warn Phoenix, Dahlia murdered him and tried to frame Phoenix. Despite being executed, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] returned as a vengeful ghost, aiding her mother to kill Dahlia's cousin Maya Fey solely to spite her elder sister Mia's spirit. Taking steps to manipulate her twin again to help with the murder, she came back from the dead to possess Misty Fey (albeit due to Misty's desire to protect her niece Pearl) and attempted to murder Maya, being stopped only by the intervention of Godot who killed her host. But despite this she became convinced that she had forced Maya to murder her own mother and caused her to commit suicide, which she gloated over to their faces. She's also a giant hypocrite; she shows nothing but disgust towards Morgan Fey because of the "petty revenge" that she was after, but at the same time, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] was going along with Morgan's plan specifically in order to get her own revenge on Mia.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BitchInSheepsClothing [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Dahlia]] [[EnfantTerrible Hawthorne]]]], the BigBad, previously manipulated [[ManChild her ManChild boyfriend boyfriend]] into assisting her in a crime, before framing him for murder and ensuring [[DrivenToSuicide his suicide to cover her tracks]]. She later poisoned the lover of the prosecutor Mia Fey when he got too close to her crimes, before she seduced Phoenix Wright as well. When her twin sister Iris fell for Phoenix, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] [[spoiler:Dahlia]] accelerated her plans to poison him. When an ex-lover of hers tried to warn Phoenix, Dahlia [[spoiler:Dahlia]] murdered him and tried to frame Phoenix. Despite being executed, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] [[spoiler:Dahlia]] returned as a vengeful ghost, aiding her mother to kill Dahlia's [[spoiler:Dahlia's cousin Maya Fey Fey]] solely to spite her [[spoiler:her elder sister Mia's Mia's]] spirit. Taking steps to manipulate her twin [[spoiler:her twin]] again to help with the murder, she came back from the dead to possess Misty Fey (albeit Fey--albeit due to Misty's desire to protect her niece Pearl) and Pearl--and attempted to murder Maya, being stopped only by the intervention of Godot who killed her host. But despite this she became convinced that she had forced Maya to murder her own mother and caused her to commit suicide, which she gloated over to their faces. She's also a giant hypocrite; {{hypocrite}}, as she shows nothing but disgust towards Morgan Fey because of the "petty revenge" that she was after, but at the same time, [[spoiler: Dahlia]] time was going along with Morgan's plan specifically in order to get her own revenge on Mia.
21st Jul '16 12:30:32 AM MayIncon
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* NeverLiveItDown: Edgeworth will never live down his "updated autopsy report" status after what happened in 1-2 despite his CharacterDevelopment.
4th Jul '16 11:43:32 PM Ukokira
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** Godot. A mysterious, badass prosecutor with a cool design and sympathetic, tragic past, or an overhyped sexist scumbag who's never brought to account for all his bad choices? [[spoiler:Yes, he answer for them, but he also made Misty Fey die for them and nearly got Maya killed.]]

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** Godot. A mysterious, badass prosecutor with a cool design and sympathetic, tragic past, or an overhyped sexist scumbag who's never brought to account for all his bad choices? [[spoiler:Yes, he answer for them, does end up arrested, but he also made Misty Fey die for them and nearly got Maya killed.]]
4th Jul '16 11:39:42 PM Ukokira
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4th Jul '16 11:38:58 PM Ukokira
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** Godot. A mysterious, badass prosecutor with a cool design and sympathetic, tragic past, or an overhyped sexist scumbag who's never brought to account for all his bad choices? [[spoiler:Yes, he did die for them, but he also made Misty Fey die for them and nearly got Maya killed.]]

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** Godot. A mysterious, badass prosecutor with a cool design and sympathetic, tragic past, or an overhyped sexist scumbag who's never brought to account for all his bad choices? [[spoiler:Yes, he did die answer for them, but he also made Misty Fey die for them and nearly got Maya killed.]]
30th Jun '16 9:57:20 PM Upgrader
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* SequelDifficultySpike: These games get progressively tougher and more complicated as they go on.
** In the original first game, things are rather relaxed: investigations are pretty straightforward, with relatively few points where you can get lost, and cross-examinations are rather easy. Finding contradictions doesn't go beyond pressing until the witness revises a statement, then presenting evidence there. Plus, you can take up to five penalties before losing.
** ''Justice For All'' is where the developers '''really''' started getting sneaky. Cross-examinations are tougher, since now witnesses can add revised statements that aren't contradictory, sometimes depending on what you choose. There are also a few points were you have to backtrack while pressing, press statements in a certain order, or even press the same statement twice! (Not to mention now you can get penalized simply by pressing - though the Judge ''does'' warn you beforehand.) Contradictions now require the player to remember previous testimony, and to think them through more. Now you need to "unlock" new testimony to make other statements contradictory (ex: the contradiction with the ring in 2-3). Unlike the first game, now sometimes you ''need'' to say you "can't present evidence" or that a witness's statement "was not important" to progress. Investigations also got harder: now there are points where you have to present evidence to the person that gave you that evidence 3 seconds ago, and the addition of profiles also makes it easier to miss something. But probably the biggest step-up in difficulty is the penalty bar. This green bar allows the developers to hit you with bigger penalties when screwing up. In some points in the last case, you can get either a [[OneHitKill 100% penalty]] or a [[ItsAWonderfulFailure bad ending]] for presenting incorrect evidence. And this bar (which counts both for psyche-locks and court penalites) does not refill when saving, so it's possible to go into court with low health.
** It seems the developers focused more on writing the MythArc than in making player's existence harder while making ''Trials & Tribulations'', since there's relatively few new tricks here that weren't in JFA. While there's not a bad ending in this game, the two "one-chance" moments (one of which is a 11-statement testimony mentioned above) are designed to throw off players and punish SaveScumming, since both the "right" and "wrong" conversations start with the same few lines of text, and the music doesn't stop in either of them. Also, there's a couple of testimonies where you have to "mine" for information. In other words, if at the end of a press Phoenix thinks "I'd better come back to this later", that means you have to gather information by pressing other statements, ''then'' return to press the statement Phoenix pointed out.
** ''Rise from the Ashes'', the fifth case added to the first game's UpdatedReRelease on the DS, makes use of some of the tricks seen in JFA and T&T, since it was written after them. (Though of course, it doesn't implement any variable penalties, since it still uses the other four cases' five-strike system.) The only new trick is that there are a couple spots where you have to present ''several'' pieces of evidence to people to unlock a new talk topic.
23rd Jun '16 9:12:57 PM Upgrader
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** "The miracle never happen." That one simple typo in the American release turned the bad ending of ''Farewell, My Turnabout'' into a mockery.
** Acro's ManlyTears at the end of 2-3 is ''supposed'' to be taken seriously. It ended looking like cartoony OcularGushers instead, with the animation and everything.

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** "The miracle never happen." That one simple typo in the American DS release turned the bad ending of ''Farewell, My Turnabout'' into a mockery.
** Acro's ManlyTears moment at the end of 2-3 is ''supposed'' to be taken seriously. It ended looking like cartoony OcularGushers instead, with the animation and everything.



** In case 5-5, Pearls says that if Phoenix works hard and gets famous, he might one day have copycats. And now, we've got Apollo Justice...



** Dahlia in Iris's perspective, although most likely not the player's. Both sisters were separated from their mother and received no love from their father, and while Iris had a mother figure in Sister Bikini. Dahlia had no one. Iris realizes Dahlia has done many unforgivable things, but still cares for her and wants to help her because of what she's been through (including recovering the necklace so she won't commit any more crimes).

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** Dahlia in Iris's perspective, although most likely not the player's.player's, and definitely not the other characters'. Both sisters were separated from their mother and received no love from their father, and while Iris had a mother figure in Sister Bikini. Dahlia had no one. Iris realizes Dahlia has done many unforgivable things, but still cares for her and wants to help her because of what she's been through (including recovering the necklace so she won't commit any more crimes).



* AuthorsSavingThrow: The 3DS port had many typos corrected, and some small contradictions within the text fixed. [[note]]Examples: Phoenix not acknowledging the events of 1-5 while talking to Franziska in 2-3.[[/note]]

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The 3DS port version of the trilogy had many typos corrected, and some small contradictions within the text fixed. [[note]]Examples: Phoenix not acknowledging the events of 1-5 while talking to Franziska in 2-3.[[/note]]



* MarthDebutedInSmashBros: An inverted example. The Blue Badger officially appeared in this game during Rise From the Ashes before going on to appear elsewhere (such as Wocky's "Bad Badger" shirt or as the mascot for Gatewater Land in ''Investigations''). However, in Japan the fifth case was only added after the third game had been released when the original game was ported to the DS, meaning that "Taiho-kun" (the Japanese name for the Blue Badger) had already appeared on Maggey's shirt in the first case of the second game. To western players it looked like the Blue Badger went on to become a sensation after case 5 (which led to the production of t-shirts by the time case 2-1 rolled around) but for keen-eyed Japanese players it was evident that the developers were expanding on the design they had put on Maggey's shirt. Of course, this is if we assume that no one found the badger doll next to the chief detective in 1-4.

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* MarthDebutedInSmashBros: An inverted example. The Blue Badger officially appeared in this game during Rise From the Ashes before going on to appear elsewhere (such as Wocky's "Bad Badger" shirt or as the mascot for Gatewater Land in ''Investigations''). However, in Japan the fifth case was only added after the third game had been released when the original game was ported to the DS, meaning that "Taiho-kun" (the Japanese name for the Blue Badger) had already appeared on Maggey's shirt in the first case of the second game. To western players it looked like the Blue Badger went on to become a sensation after case 5 (which led to the production of t-shirts by the time case 2-1 rolled around) but for keen-eyed Japanese players it was evident that the developers were expanding on the design they had put on Maggey's shirt. Of course, this is if we assume that no one found the badger doll next to the chief detective of detectives in 1-4.1-4.
* PortingDisaster: The original trilogy was initially ported for a CompilationReRelease over to the iOS, which released with many {{game breaking bug}}s and problems from a lack of beta testing and/or [[TheyJustDidntCare laziness]]: Slowdown was all over the place. Character animations, while better looking, were also choppy, missing several frames (half the characters didn't blink), or flat-out missing. Music would not loop properly, Pearl's theme was missing, and the second and third games used the lower quality GBA soundtrack. Ema Skye's fingerprinting tutorial in the first game was completely omitted, and [[http://36.media.tumblr.com/d1a63b1ce38add85fe8e59c92ff49dac/tumblr_n02z7bthA81rgkwumo1_500.jpg several typos were ADDED]]. And when iOS 7 came out, it broke the HD version to the point that the app simply would not launch, and it took Capcom nearly two months to fix the problem.
** Thankfully, the 3DS version of the trilogy is miles better; correcting many typos, fixing every issue, and re-adding many animation frames.
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