History YMMV / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

28th May '16 7:55:44 AM Luigisan98
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** Gourdy's (Imagined) face...is not very menacing to say the least.
** The courtroom showdowns in episode 9 get REALLY over the top and ridiculous even from Ace Attorney standards, flaming background and powerful shouting are greatly exaggerated.
20th May '16 7:25:51 PM Upgrader
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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]? Several other people in-game mentioned that [[spoiler:Hammer felt guilty personally for Manuel's death, and in the paparazzi photo, he looked genuinely shocked that he killed Manuel, so it might be an accident, if these are true, then it is no surprise the combination of the pressure of his guilt and his current situation and the rise of Will Powers while he had to fall because of an accident drove him to eventually plot on the framing of Powers and attempting to kill Vasquez (which also opens the interpretation that he thought she was very mean to him not to 'save the studio', but merely to spite on him because the victim was her lover, he thought she wouldn't lift a finger if the victim was a nobody) rather than being too narcissistic for his own good. If anything, Hammer's personality is hard to pin down, he might be just a normal man broken too much with pressure, or he could have been a mean guy in the same vein of the next game's Matt Engarde or Juan Corrida]]. But the game is really vague on this thanks to the [=POVs=] available are from [[spoiler:someone who seemed like having a grudge on Hammer (Vasquez)]] or a LoonyFan (Oldbag).

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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, why exactly did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]? Several other people in-game mentioned Hammer]]? Take in account these facts:
*** Oldbag mentions
that [[spoiler:Hammer felt guilty personally for Manuel's death, never intended to kill Manuel, and in the paparazzi photo, he looked genuinely shocked at Manuel's death, so it's quite possible that he killed Manuel, so it might be really was an accident, if accident.]]
*** [[spoiler:Vasquez]] is TheStoic for most of the case, but she [[spoiler: seems to take personal offense when Maya yells at her for controlling Hammer over "just an accident", and she seems extremely emotional in a brief flashback to Manuel's death. This opens the possibility that Manuel was her lover, and she blackmailed Hammer as revenge for killing him.]]
*** If
these are both true, then it is no surprise the combination of the pressure of his guilt and his current situation [[spoiler: being forced to work for pennies, and the rise of Will Powers Powers's acting career while he had to fall his fell because of an accident accident, drove him to eventually plot on the framing of Powers and attempting to kill Vasquez (which also opens the interpretation that he thought she was very mean to him not to 'save the studio', but merely to spite on him because the victim was her lover, he thought she wouldn't lift a finger if the victim was a nobody) rather than being too narcissistic for his own good. Vasquez.]] If anything, Hammer's personality is hard to pin down, he might be just a normal man broken too much with pressure, or he could have been a mean guy in the same vein of the next game's Matt [[spoiler:Matt Engarde or Juan Corrida]]. But the game is really vague on this thanks to the [=POVs=] available are from [[spoiler:someone who seemed like having possibly had a grudge on against Hammer (Vasquez)]] or a LoonyFan (Oldbag).



* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Manfred von Karma.]] As a prosecutor, he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, and [[FridgeHorror is most likely responsible for hundreds of defendants' false charges and subsequent executions, making him an indirect mass murderer]]. until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to (rightfully) have [[spoiler: von Karma]] penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom. Although Gregory still lost the case, [[spoiler: von Karma]] was enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Unfortunately, right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun. The gun fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. Unbeknownst to the people in the elevator, [[spoiler: von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. In revenge for the black mark against his record, [[spoiler: von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler: von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, twisting the boy to fit his views and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth, intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler: Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that ''he himself'' was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
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[[spoiler: Manfred von Karma.]] As a prosecutor, he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, and [[FridgeHorror is most likely responsible for hundreds of defendants' false charges and subsequent executions, making him an indirect mass murderer]]. until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to (rightfully) have [[spoiler: von Karma]] penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom. Although Gregory still lost the case, [[spoiler: von Karma]] was enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Unfortunately, right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun. The gun fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. Unbeknownst to the people in the elevator, [[spoiler: von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. In revenge for the black mark against his record, [[spoiler: von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler: von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, twisting the boy to fit his views and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth, intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler: Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that ''he himself'' was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.well.
** [[spoiler:Redd White]]. He remorselessly killed Mia (even ''smiling'' while doing so), framed Maya for it, ruined their mother and family, made Grossberg's life a living hell ForTheEvulz, assaulted Phoenix and later framed him for Mia's murder as well, knowingly ruined countless people's lives with his blackmail business, even driving more than a few to suicide, all just to preserve his own hedonistic lifestyle.



** This could be foreshadowing [[spoiler:Phoenix solving his biggest case in "Bridge to the Turnabout"]], but it could also foreshadow [[spoiler:Phoenix being disbarred for unwittingly using falsified evidence]].

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** This could be foreshadowing [[spoiler:Phoenix solving his biggest case all by himself in "Bridge to the Turnabout"]], but it could also foreshadow [[spoiler:Phoenix being disbarred for unwittingly using falsified evidence]].



** [[spoiler:Gant]] was genuinely an honest cop until [[spoiler: he murdered Neil Marshall and frames two people for it: Joe Darke to get him convicted once and for all, and fourteen-year-old Ema Skye to make her sister Lana one of his pawns]]. Interestingly, he's also a rare case that seems to return from the Horizon a bit when he [[spoiler:expresses regret over his actions, accepts his punishment, and wishes everyone the best of luck in maintaining the system after he's gone.]]
** [[spoiler:Redd White]] has knowingly ruined countless people's lives (even driving more than a few to suicide) with his blackmail business, kills Mia when she tries to get enough evidence on him, and then frames Maya and Phoenix -- Mia's sister and subordinate, respectively -- for the murder. Complete with EvilGloating pretty much the whole time.

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** [[spoiler:Gant]] was genuinely an honest cop until [[spoiler: he murdered Neil Marshall and frames framed two people for it: Joe Darke to get him convicted once and for all, and fourteen-year-old Ema Skye to make her sister Lana one of his pawns]]. Interestingly, he's also a rare case that seems to return from the Horizon a bit when he [[spoiler:expresses regret over his actions, accepts his punishment, and wishes everyone the best of luck in maintaining the system after he's gone.]]
** [[spoiler:Redd White]] has knowingly ruined countless people's lives (even driving more than a few to suicide) with his blackmail business, kills Mia when she tries to get enough evidence on him, and then frames Maya and Phoenix -- Mia's sister and subordinate, respectively -- for the murder. Complete with EvilGloating pretty much the whole time.
]]



* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Matt Engarde]] threw away his loving and devoted manager Celeste Inpax ones he was done using her to further his career. When Celeste was engaged to his rival, [[spoiler: Engarde]] told him Celeste was [[DefiledForever used goods]] to trick him into calling off the wedding. Celeste [[DriventoSuicide killed herself]], to [[spoiler: Engarde's]] delight. [[spoiler: Engarde]] later hired professional assassin [[MeaningfulName Shelley de Killer]] to murder his rival, but kept blackmail material to betray de Killer as well. To force Phoenix Wright to acquit him for murder, [[spoiler: Engarde]] had de Killer kidnap the innocent Maya Fey and attempted to pin his crimes on the innocent, miserable and insecure Adrian Andrews partly for the thrill of hurting her.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Matt Engarde]] threw away his loving and devoted manager Celeste Inpax ones once he was done using her to further his career. When Celeste was engaged to his rival, [[spoiler: Engarde]] told him Celeste was [[DefiledForever used goods]] to trick him into calling off the wedding. Celeste [[DriventoSuicide killed herself]], to [[spoiler: Engarde's]] delight. [[spoiler: Engarde]] later hired professional assassin [[MeaningfulName Shelley Shelly de Killer]] to murder his rival, but kept blackmail material to betray de Killer as well. To force Phoenix Wright to acquit him for murder, [[spoiler: Engarde]] had de Killer kidnap the totally innocent Maya Fey and attempted to pin his crimes on the innocent, miserable and insecure Adrian Andrews partly hold her hostage for the thrill of hurting her.days, possibly also ordering de Killer to starve Maya. Once he's exposed, [[EvilGloating he laughs at Phoenix's face]] about how he can do nothing to him.



** "The miracle never happen." One simple typo turned the bad ending of ''Farewell, My Turnabout'' into a mockery. Fixed for later releases.

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** "The miracle never happen." One That one simple typo in the American release turned the bad ending of ''Farewell, My Turnabout'' into a mockery. Fixed for later releases.mockery.
19th May '16 10:43:26 AM Upgrader
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* FountainOfMemes: Redd White. Special mention goes to "'''WHATCHA NAAAAAAAAAYME?'''".

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* FountainOfMemes: Redd White. Special mention goes to White.
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"'''WHATCHA NAAAAAAAAAYME?'''".NAAAAAAAAAYME?'''".
** "'''[[UsefulNotes/BarackObama YES,]] [[WesternAnimation/BobTheBuilder WE CAN!]]'''"
15th May '16 8:20:12 PM Upgrader
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* BellisariosMaxim: Exactly how did White eavesdrop on Mia and Maya's conversation with a wiretap, if both of them were using cellphones?[[note]]In the game, Mia uses the office phone for her call.[[/note]]

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* BellisariosMaxim: There are a few oversights in the anime.
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Exactly how did White eavesdrop on Mia and Maya's conversation with a wiretap, if both of them were Mia was shown using cellphones?[[note]]In the game, Mia uses ''cellphone'', not the office phone for her call.[[/note]]phone?
** The photo Phoenix receives from Cody in episode 6 is different from the one he presents in court in episode 7.
15th May '16 4:34:14 PM ChrisX
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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]? Several other people in-game mentioned that [[spoiler:Hammer felt guilty personally for Manuel's death, and in the paparazzi photo, he looked genuinely shocked that he killed Manuel, so it might be an accident, if these are true, then it is no surprise the combination of the pressure of his guilt and his current situation and the rise of Will Powers while he had to fall because of an accident drove him to eventually plot on the framing of Powers and attempting to kill Vasquez rather than being too narcissistic for his own good]]. But the game is really vague on this thanks to the [=POVs=] available are from [[spoiler:someone who seemed like having a grudge on Hammer (Vasquez)]] or a LoonyFan (Oldbag).

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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]? Several other people in-game mentioned that [[spoiler:Hammer felt guilty personally for Manuel's death, and in the paparazzi photo, he looked genuinely shocked that he killed Manuel, so it might be an accident, if these are true, then it is no surprise the combination of the pressure of his guilt and his current situation and the rise of Will Powers while he had to fall because of an accident drove him to eventually plot on the framing of Powers and attempting to kill Vasquez (which also opens the interpretation that he thought she was very mean to him not to 'save the studio', but merely to spite on him because the victim was her lover, he thought she wouldn't lift a finger if the victim was a nobody) rather than being too narcissistic for his own good]].good. If anything, Hammer's personality is hard to pin down, he might be just a normal man broken too much with pressure, or he could have been a mean guy in the same vein of the next game's Matt Engarde or Juan Corrida]]. But the game is really vague on this thanks to the [=POVs=] available are from [[spoiler:someone who seemed like having a grudge on Hammer (Vasquez)]] or a LoonyFan (Oldbag).
15th May '16 5:07:42 AM ChrisX
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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]?

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** Was the [[spoiler:death of Manuel]] really an accident? Also, did [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez blackmail Hammer because she had a relationship with Manuel]]?Manuel]]? Several other people in-game mentioned that [[spoiler:Hammer felt guilty personally for Manuel's death, and in the paparazzi photo, he looked genuinely shocked that he killed Manuel, so it might be an accident, if these are true, then it is no surprise the combination of the pressure of his guilt and his current situation and the rise of Will Powers while he had to fall because of an accident drove him to eventually plot on the framing of Powers and attempting to kill Vasquez rather than being too narcissistic for his own good]]. But the game is really vague on this thanks to the [=POVs=] available are from [[spoiler:someone who seemed like having a grudge on Hammer (Vasquez)]] or a LoonyFan (Oldbag).
14th May '16 3:13:21 PM MisterVercetti
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** Examining the notice board in the cafeteria early in Case 2-3 has Maya making an off-handed remark about how they should put up a note address "To the Murderer". [[spoiler:As it turns out, this actually happened, and it's what indirectly led to the actual murder in that case]].

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** Examining the notice board in the cafeteria early in Case 2-3 has Maya making an off-handed remark about how they should put up a note address addressed "To the Murderer". [[spoiler:As it turns out, this actually happened, and it's what indirectly led to the actual murder in that case]].
14th May '16 3:12:12 PM MisterVercetti
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** Examining the notice board in the cafeteria in Case 2-3 has Maya making an off-handed remark about how they should put up a note "To the Murderer". [[spoiler:As it turns out, this actually happened, and it's what indirectly led to the actual murder in that case]].

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** Examining the notice board in the cafeteria early in Case 2-3 has Maya making an off-handed remark about how they should put up a note address "To the Murderer". [[spoiler:As it turns out, this actually happened, and it's what indirectly led to the actual murder in that case]].
14th May '16 3:11:24 PM MisterVercetti
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* HilariousInHindsight: Ini mistaking Pearl for Phoenix's daughter and him expressing incredulity that she thinks he's old enough to have a daughter becomes much funnier when he actually adopts a daughter he's way too young to have fathered normally in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Ini mistaking Pearl for Phoenix's daughter and him expressing incredulity that she thinks he's old enough to have a daughter becomes much funnier when he actually adopts a daughter he's way too young to have fathered normally in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''.''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''.
** Examining the notice board in the cafeteria in Case 2-3 has Maya making an off-handed remark about how they should put up a note "To the Murderer". [[spoiler:As it turns out, this actually happened, and it's what indirectly led to the actual murder in that case]].
9th May '16 9:08:24 AM NNinja
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* IdiotPlot: The second trial day for Mia's murder was four days after her death. In those four days, no one thought of checking the back of the bloody receipt?
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