History YMMV / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

15th Apr '17 4:03:48 PM morenohijazo
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* AccidentalAesop: Don't judge people by who their relatives are. There can be black sheep and white sheep in every family.

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* AccidentalAesop: AccidentalAesop:
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Don't judge people by who their relatives are. There can be black sheep and white sheep in every family.family.
** Don't {{Bowdlerise}} the world to children, hiding the harsh truths from them: they need to know how the world works to make good decisions and understand the consequences of their choices. In the case of Regina Berry, [[spoiler:this led to her causing an accident that left a guy in coma and another permanently crippled, and being completely unapologetic, not out of malice but because she wasn't able to understand the harm she had done]]. In the case of Pearl Fey, [[spoiler:this led her to go along her mother's plan to murder Maya, who Pearl clearly adores, because (having never been told of Morgan's previous attempt to frame Maya) she believed her mother to be a good person and thought said plan to be in Maya's benefit]].



** The final case of ''Trials and Tribulations'' has a critical omission in the spanish version. In one part of [[spoiler:Dahlia]]'s testimony, you have to point out the contradiction that the victim was not stabbed from the front, by using the autopsy report... except the spanish translation does not mention that the victim was stabbed in the back, leaving the player with no way except guides or pure chance to realize how to object that statement.

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** The final case of ''Trials and Tribulations'' has a critical omission in the spanish Spanish version. In one part of [[spoiler:Dahlia]]'s testimony, you have to point out the contradiction that the victim was not stabbed from the front, by using the autopsy report... except except, in the spanish translation Spanish translation, the report does not mention that the victim was stabbed in the back, leaving the player with no way except guides or pure chance to realize how to object that statement.
22nd Mar '17 7:14:37 PM Siggu
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** The final case of ''Trials and Tribulations'' has a critical omission in the spanish version. In one part of [[spoiler:Dahlia]]'s testimony, you have to point out the contradiction that the victim was not stabbed from the front, by using the autopsy report... except the spanish translation does not mention that the victim was stabbed in the back, leaving the player with no way except guides or pure chance to realize how to object that statement.
26th Feb '17 2:55:28 AM NNinja
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* FoeRomanceSubtext: Franziska and Phoenix due to Franziska saving the card of Phoenix that Maya drew and swearing that she'll show him that card the next time they meet. Some people interpret all the whipping Phoenix gets as a sadomasochist relationship.
8th Feb '17 11:01:34 PM rjd1922
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** In case 4, after TheReveal [[spoiler:of Matt Engarde's true colors, he reveals his previously-unseen ''massive'' facial scar, pulls out AGlassOfChianti, gains an ominous new {{Leitmotif}}, and his personality does a ''complete'' 180, turning him into an ObviouslyEvil figure that makes the silliest of Bond Villain parodies seem toned down. How jarring the change is from his previous Brainless Beauty Nice Guy persona can easily come across as absolutely ridiculous]]. For some, however, this is NarmCharm and/or NightmareFuel.

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** In case 4, after TheReveal [[spoiler:of Matt Engarde's true colors, he reveals his previously-unseen ''massive'' facial scar, pulls out AGlassOfChianti, gains an ominous new {{Leitmotif}}, and his personality does a ''complete'' 180, turning him into an ObviouslyEvil figure that makes the silliest of Bond Villain parodies seem toned down. How jarring the change is from his previous Brainless Beauty Nice Guy BrainlessBeauty NiceGuy persona can easily come across as absolutely ridiculous]]. For some, however, this is NarmCharm and/or NightmareFuel.
5th Feb '17 2:58:25 PM rjd1922
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* FanonDiscontinuity: A minority of fans ignore "Rise from the Ashes" (which was not part of the original Japanese GBA game but instead added for the DS remake) because, despite establishing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ema Skye]] and providing us with MemeticBadass Damon Gant, it actually subtly {{retcon}}s the backstory of the game: [[spoiler:The rumors about Edgeworth (intentionally) using fake evidence are false]]. This, to said people, effectively reduces the impact of some parts of a good portion of the first game. Interestingly enough, when Phoenix sees Edgeworth again in 2-4, he assumes Edgeworth quit because his perfect win record was tarnished, when actually, in 1-5, particularly on the third day of investigations and the last trial segment, Edgeworth is already questioning himself and admits shame over his AmoralAttorney past and fear that he might become like Manfred Von Karma and Damon Gant in the future.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: A minority of fans ignore "Rise from the Ashes" (which was not part of the original Japanese GBA game but instead added for the DS remake) because, despite establishing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ema Skye]] and providing us with MemeticBadass Damon Gant, it actually subtly {{retcon}}s the backstory of the game: [[spoiler:The rumors about Edgeworth (intentionally) using fake evidence are false]]. This, to said people, effectively reduces the impact of some parts of a good portion of the first game. Interestingly enough, when Phoenix sees Edgeworth again in 2-4, he assumes Edgeworth quit because his perfect win record was tarnished, when actually, in 1-5, particularly on the third day of investigations and the last trial segment, Edgeworth is already questioning himself and admits shame over his AmoralAttorney past and fear that he might become like Manfred Von von Karma and Damon Gant in the future.



* LoveToHate: '''Manfred von Karma'''. Despite being present in only two cases in the entire series, two of which being flashback cases in later games, he still manages to remain one of the most memorable {{Complete Monster}}s in the series to this day. It helps that no other prosecutor after him has managed to put as much of a fight as he did during "Turnabout Goodbyes".

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* LoveToHate: '''Manfred von Karma'''. Despite being present in only two three cases in the entire series, two of which being flashback cases in later games, he still manages to remain one of the most memorable {{Complete Monster}}s in the series to this day. It helps that no other prosecutor after him has managed to put as much of a fight as he did during "Turnabout Goodbyes".
2nd Feb '17 12:59:07 PM MummyGaGa
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* RewatchBonus: Playing case one again after the game is extremely noteworthy given [[TheReveal The Reveals]] at Cases 4 and 5.
31st Jan '17 8:02:20 AM OlfinBedwere
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* VindicatedByHistory: For a long time this was seen as the worst game in the whole ''Ace Attorney'' franchise, for lacking the tight storyline of the first or third games, or the novelty factor of ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' or the first ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' game. Since then, opinions toward it have warmed considerably, to the point where it's actually now considered one of the better games in the series, only really let down by a poor third case and Franziska being a rather one-note adversary. Even the game's SequelDifficultySpike is looked on more favorably when compared to some of the newer entries, which have been criticised for being too easy.
19th Jan '17 1:55:50 PM Upgrader
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** Mia's Psyche-Lock segment in 2-2. The dialogue gives you ''zero'' hints about exactly what you're supposed to present, at least one of the items is found in circumstances that throw suspicion on [[spoiler:Ini Miney]] more than [[spoiler:Morgan]], and the segment can only be attempted right before you go into the second trial day, making it very easy to do poorly and go into the trial with an already-depleted health bar.
** The first half of the first day of "Farewell, My Turnabout" has '''two''' instances where if you screw up, you get a 100% penalty. And the second of those comes from pointing out the Nickel Samurai's ankles should be visible in Lotta's photo; something that's particularly difficult to figure out.
** Luke Atmey's final testimony is 11 statements long, with nothing in the Court Record proving a contradiction, and pressing any statement but the right one will instantly net you a game over. It also PUNISHES SaveScumming with a nasty InterfaceScrew usually in these games, once you've done something right in a testimony that lets you advance, the music will stop playing. Not so with this one. What's more, right or wrong, the first few lines of dialogue after the press are always the same. Something similar happens at the very end of "Bridge to the Turnabout".

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** The first day of the trial in 1-5 is generally regarded as one of the hardest parts in the first game, especially since much of it consists of finding subtle flaws in [[{{Jerkass}} Angel Starr's]] testimony, mainly concerning the point from which she supposedly saw Lana stab Goodman, making some players downright ''resent'' Angel Starr's presence in progress. And after you're done with Angel's four testimonies, you have to deal with Gant's [[GuideDangIt complicated single testimony]].
** That damn 3D vase in 1-5 can be quite annoying to position right, so it looks like the Blue Badger...
** Mia's Psyche-Lock segment in 2-2. The dialogue gives you ''zero'' hints about exactly what items you're supposed to present, at least one of the items is found in circumstances that throw suspicion on [[spoiler:Ini Miney]] more than [[spoiler:Morgan]], and the segment can only be attempted right before you go into the second trial day, making it very easy to do poorly and go into the trial with an already-depleted health bar.
** The first half of the first day of "Farewell, My Turnabout" has '''two''' instances where if you screw up, you get a 100% penalty. And The first one gives you no hints about what you have to present, and the second of those comes from pointing one asks you to point out that [[spoiler: the Nickel Samurai's ankles should be visible in Lotta's photo; photo]]; something that's particularly difficult to figure out.
out on a first run.
** Luke Atmey's final testimony is 11 statements long, with nothing in the Court Record proving a contradiction, and pressing any statement but the right one will instantly net you a game over. It also PUNISHES SaveScumming with features a nasty InterfaceScrew usually in these games, the music will stop once you've done something right in a testimony that lets you advance, the music will testimony, while making a mistake does not stop playing.the music. Not so with this one. What's more, right or wrong, the first few lines of dialogue after the press are always the same. Something similar same, throwing off players and outright PUNISHING SaveScumming.
*** The exact same thing
happens at the very end of "Bridge to the Turnabout".Turnabout", only here, you have to figure out that presenting [[spoiler: Godot's profile is how you're meant to pinpoint behind his mask as the place where he was wounded]].



* ThatOneLevel: The first day of the trial in 1-5 is generally regarded as one of the hardest parts in the game, especially since much of it consists of finding subtle flaws in [[{{Jerkass}} Angel Starr's]] testimony, mainly concerning the point from which she supposedly saw Lana stab Goodman, making some players downright ''resent'' Angel Starr's presence in progress. And after you're done with Angel's four testimonies, you have to deal with Gant's [[GuideDangIt complicated single testimony]].
18th Jan '17 3:05:31 AM ChrisX
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in the third case. Yes, her killing of Jack Hammer was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense, and she's also heavily implied to have cared deeply for previously killed actor Manuel. However, Hammer only attacked her because she'd been {{Blackmail}}ing him for most-likely-accidentally causing Manuel's death, and she's also a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to "silence" people -- almost including [[spoiler:Phoenix and Maya themselves]], no less. Hammer might've been an AssholeVictim for trying to frame Will Powers in the process, but some nonetheless can't help but wish Hammer had actually succeeded in ridding the world of an even worse menace.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in the third case. Yes, her killing of Jack Hammer was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense, and she's also heavily implied to have cared deeply for previously killed actor Manuel. However, Hammer only attacked her because she'd been {{Blackmail}}ing him for most-likely-accidentally causing Manuel's death, and she's also a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to "silence" people -- almost including [[spoiler:Phoenix and Maya themselves]], no less. Hammer might've been an AssholeVictim for trying to frame Will Powers in the process, but some nonetheless can't help but wish Hammer had actually succeeded in ridding the world of an even worse menace.menace, or sympathize that an accident costed him with something he did not deserve and it's understandable that he would snap.
16th Jan '17 10:20:45 PM rjd1922
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* LoveToHate: '''Manfred von Karma'''. Despite being present in only two games in the entire series, one of which being a flashback case in a later game, he still manages to remain one of the most memorable {{Complete Monster}}s in the series to this day. It helps that no other prosecutor after him has managed to put as much of a fight as he did during "Turnabout Goodbyes".

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* LoveToHate: '''Manfred von Karma'''. Despite being present in only two games cases in the entire series, one two of which being a flashback case cases in a later game, games, he still manages to remain one of the most memorable {{Complete Monster}}s in the series to this day. It helps that no other prosecutor after him has managed to put as much of a fight as he did during "Turnabout Goodbyes".
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