History YMMV / PhoenixWrightAceAttorney

13th Sep '16 8:42:27 PM MayIncon
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* FanonDiscontinuity: A minority of fans ignore ''Rise from the Ashes'' (which was not part of the original Japanese GBA game but instead added for the DS remake) because, despite providing us with MemeticBadass Damon Gant, it actually subtly {{retcon}}s the backstory of the game: [[spoiler:The rumors about Edgeworth (intentionally) using fake evidence are false]]. This, to said people, effectively reduces the impact of some parts of a good portion of the first game. Interestingly enough, when Phoenix sees Edgeworth again in 2-4, he assumes Edgeworth quit because his perfect win record was tarnished, when actually, in 1-5, particularly on the third day of investigations and the last trial segment, Edgeworth is already questioning himself and admits shame over his AmoralAttorney past and fear that he might become like Manfred Von Karma and Damon Gant in the future.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: A minority of fans ignore ''Rise from the Ashes'' (which was not part of the original Japanese GBA game but instead added for the DS remake) because, despite establishing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ema Skye]] and providing us with MemeticBadass Damon Gant, it actually subtly {{retcon}}s the backstory of the game: [[spoiler:The rumors about Edgeworth (intentionally) using fake evidence are false]]. This, to said people, effectively reduces the impact of some parts of a good portion of the first game. Interestingly enough, when Phoenix sees Edgeworth again in 2-4, he assumes Edgeworth quit because his perfect win record was tarnished, when actually, in 1-5, particularly on the third day of investigations and the last trial segment, Edgeworth is already questioning himself and admits shame over his AmoralAttorney past and fear that he might become like Manfred Von Karma and Damon Gant in the future.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Franziska von Karma, Manfred von Karma's daughter, or specifically [[spoiler: her behavior in 2-4, and her epilogue scene with Edgeworth.]] While she's (intentionally) unlikeable during the first two cases, her behavior later [[CharacterDevelopment changes and matures]]. Fans are divided.

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Franziska von Karma, Manfred von Karma's daughter, or specifically [[spoiler: her behavior in 2-4, and her epilogue scene with Edgeworth.]] While she's (intentionally) unlikeable during the first two cases, her behavior later [[CharacterDevelopment changes and matures]]. Fans are divided.



** Maya, despite being cleared of all charges, laments at the end of Case 2-2 that every time something like this happens, she loses someone close to her. In the next game, she loses [[spoiler:her long-lost mother]]

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** Maya, despite being cleared of all charges, laments at the end of Case 2-2 that every time something like this happens, she loses someone close to her. In the next game, she loses [[spoiler:her long-lost mother]]mother]].



*** Furthermore, on the second trial of that case, you have to do a big leap of logic and figure out that [[spoiler:Russell Berry's cape got attached to the Max bust, seemingly ignoring physics]].

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*** ** Furthermore, on the second trial of that case, you have to do a big leap of logic and figure out that [[spoiler:Russell Berry's cape got attached to the Max bust, seemingly ignoring physics]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: While he's very popular with others, some fans didn't like how much [[spoiler: Acro was]] being played as a SympatheticMurderer. For example, ''WebOriginal/VideoGamesAwesome'' and their commenters noted that while he didn't mean to kill [[spoiler: the ringmaster, he ''did'' intend to kill the ringmaster's daughter. The sympathy is supposed to come from regretting he killed the ringmaster, who he saw as a father, and yet he was still willing to murder that man's only child. To be fair, she was still directly responsible for accidentally putting Bat into a coma and then not understanding how serious it was, but Acro apparently never considered just ''yelling at her'' and making her see reality the way Moe later did, and instead jumped right to an elaborate murder attempt... which didn't even work because she was too clueless to understand she was being threatened.]]
** It's quite telling that the 3DS re-release [[RetCon changed some of the dialogue]] to tone down the forced sympathy, one of the most obvious changes being [[spoiler:Edgeworth's line "Do me a favor and try not to be too harsh on Acro" being changed to "As for Mr. Acro's case, you need not worry."]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: While he's very popular with others, some fans didn't like how much [[spoiler: Acro was]] being played as a SympatheticMurderer. For example, ''WebOriginal/VideoGamesAwesome'' and their commenters noted that while he didn't mean to kill [[spoiler: the ringmaster, he ''did'' intend to kill the ringmaster's daughter. The sympathy is supposed to come from regretting he killed the ringmaster, who he saw as a father, and yet he was still willing to murder that man's only child. To be fair, she was still directly responsible for accidentally putting Bat into a coma and then not understanding how serious it was, but Acro apparently never considered just ''yelling at her'' and making her see reality the way Moe later did, and instead jumped right to an elaborate murder attempt... which didn't even work because she was too clueless to understand she was being threatened.]]
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]] It's quite telling that the 3DS re-release [[RetCon changed some of the dialogue]] to tone down the forced sympathy, one of the most obvious changes being [[spoiler:Edgeworth's line "Do me a favor and try not to be too harsh on Acro" being changed to "As for Mr. Acro's case, you need not worry."]]



** Mia's random comedic assaults on Grossberg in case 3-1 every time Phoenix says something adoring about Dahlia become much less funny when you realize that it's not just low tolerance for sappy, saccharine gushing -- it's because she's bottling up a lot of ''hate'' for Dahlia and with very good reason.
*** There's also the possibility that it's related to the fact that she ''knows'' Grossberg is responsible for leaking the information on her mother, and her mother's resulting disappearance.

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** Mia's random comedic assaults on Grossberg in case 3-1 every time Phoenix says something adoring about Dahlia become much less funny when you realize that it's not just low tolerance for sappy, saccharine gushing -- it's because she's bottling up a lot of ''hate'' for Dahlia and with very good reason. \n*** There's also the possibility that it's related to the fact that she ''knows'' Grossberg is responsible for leaking the information on her mother, and her mother's resulting disappearance.



** STOP TALKING ABOUT HEMORRHOIDS!

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** STOP TALKING ABOUT HEMORRHOIDS!HEMORRHOIDS! Even worse in this case because 3-1's culprit is the first one in the series that poses a challenge to the player right in the first case so there's a huge chance of hearing Grossberg talking about it again and again after said culprit's cross-examination.



** Luke Atmey's final testimony is 11 statements long, with nothing in the Court Record proving a contradiction, and pressing any statement but the right one will instantly net you a game over. It also PUNISHES SaveScumming with a nasty InterfaceScrew usually in these games, once you've done something right in a testimony that lets you advance, the music will stop playing. Not so with this one. What's more, right or wrong, the first few lines of dialogue after the press are always the same.
*** Something similar happens at the very end of "Bridge to the Turnabout".

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** Luke Atmey's final testimony is 11 statements long, with nothing in the Court Record proving a contradiction, and pressing any statement but the right one will instantly net you a game over. It also PUNISHES SaveScumming with a nasty InterfaceScrew usually in these games, once you've done something right in a testimony that lets you advance, the music will stop playing. Not so with this one. What's more, right or wrong, the first few lines of dialogue after the press are always the same.
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same. Something similar happens at the very end of "Bridge to the Turnabout".
11th Sep '16 8:06:26 PM Antwan
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This page covers the first three games and their adaptations. Take general series tropes to ''YMMV/AceAttorney'', and take tropes specific to ''YMMV/{{Apollo Justice|AceAttorney}}'', ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'', ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'' or [[YMMV/AceAttorneyAnime the 2016 anime]] to their own subpages, please.

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This page covers the first three games (''Phoenix Wright'', ''Justice for All'', and ''Trials and Tribulations'') and their adaptations. Take general series tropes to ''YMMV/AceAttorney'', and take tropes specific to adaptations.

For other such moments in the series, see the appropriate subpages:

* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorney Ace Attorney (series)]]''
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyAnime Ace Attorney (anime)]]''
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''YMMV/{{Apollo Justice|AceAttorney}}'', Justice|AceAttorney}}''
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''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'', Ace Attorney Investigations]]''
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''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'' or [[YMMV/AceAttorneyAnime the 2016 anime]] to their own subpages, please.
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* ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]''
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* AllegedlyFreeGame: The iOS port of the first three games. It's free to download and gives you the first two chapters of the first game for free. The remaining chapters must be purchased in packs (one pack contains a full game) for US$5.99 per pack. However, to be fair, it's still way cheaper than trying to get all three games brand new for the DS.



--> '''White:''' My stomach, you see, it is hurting...
--> '''Phoenix:''' [[MemeticMutation Deal with it.]]

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--> '''White:''' -->'''White:''' My stomach, you see, it is hurting...
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hurting...\\
'''Phoenix:''' [[MemeticMutation Deal with it.]]



--->"Let's go let her whip us, Mr. Nick!"

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--->"Let's --->''"Let's go let her whip us, Mr. Nick!"Nick!"''



%%* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ron [=DeLite=].

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%%* * ViewerGenderConfusion: Ron [=DeLite=].
[=DeLite=]. Some people mistake him for a woman thanks to his feminine appearance and passive personality.



* AllegedlyFreeGame: The iOS port of the first three games. It's free to download and gives you the first two chapters of the first game for free. The remaining chapters must be purchased in packs (one pack contains a full game) for US$5.99 per pack. However, to be fair, it's still way cheaper than trying to get all three games brand new for the DS.



9th Sep '16 4:50:36 PM SergeBernhardt
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* EvenBetterSequel: At the very least it's considered a big improvement over ''Justice For All'' (even though many agree none of the cases ''quite'' match up to "Farewell, My Turnabout"), with many fans regarding it as the best game in the entire ''Ace Attorney'' franchise.

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* EvenBetterSequel: At the very least it's considered a big improvement over ''Justice For All'' (even though many agree none of the cases ''quite'' match up to "Farewell, My Turnabout"), Turnabout", with the exception of "Bridge to the Turnabout", which is also considered one of the best cases in the series), with many fans regarding it as the best game in the entire ''Ace Attorney'' franchise.
7th Sep '16 6:33:12 PM Kohdok
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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: When Dee Vasquez admits that Phoenix's theory about the true cause of Hammer's death "Made for good writing".
7th Sep '16 10:04:36 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Matt Engarde]] threw away his loving and devoted manager Celeste Inpax once he was done using her to further his career. When Celeste was engaged to his rival, [[spoiler: Engarde]] told him Celeste was [[DefiledForever used goods]] to trick him into calling off the wedding. Celeste [[DriventoSuicide killed herself]], to [[spoiler: Engarde's]] delight. [[spoiler: Engarde]] later hired professional assassin [[MeaningfulName Shelly de Killer]] to murder his rival, but kept blackmail material to betray de Killer as well. To force Phoenix Wright to acquit him for murder, [[spoiler: Engarde]] had de Killer kidnap the totally innocent Maya Fey and hold her hostage for days, possibly also ordering de Killer to starve Maya. Once he's exposed, [[EvilGloating he laughs at Phoenix's face]] about how he can do nothing to him.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Matt Engarde]] from the second game's case "Farewell, My Turnabout" threw away his loving and devoted manager Celeste Inpax once he was done using her to further his career. When Celeste was engaged to his rival, [[spoiler: Engarde]] told him Celeste was [[DefiledForever "[[DefiledForever used goods]] goods]]" to trick him into calling off the wedding. Celeste [[DriventoSuicide killed herself]], to [[spoiler: Engarde's]] delight. [[spoiler: Engarde]] later hired professional assassin [[MeaningfulName Shelly Shelley de Killer]] to murder his rival, but kept blackmail material to betray de Killer as well. To force Phoenix Wright to acquit him for murder, [[spoiler: Engarde]] had de Killer kidnap the totally innocent Maya Fey and hold her hostage attempted to pin his crimes on the innocent, miserable and insecure Adrian Andrews partly for days, possibly also ordering de Killer to starve Maya. Once he's exposed, [[EvilGloating he laughs at Phoenix's face]] about how he can do nothing to him.the thrill of hurting her.
7th Sep '16 10:03:46 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]] is the BigBad of the first game. [[spoiler:As a prosecutor]], he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to have him penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom, causing [[spoiler:von Karma]] to become enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun, which fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. For revenge, [[spoiler:von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler:von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, [[TheCorrupter twisting the boy to fit his views]] and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and [[FrameUp pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth]], intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that he himself was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Manfred CompleteMonster:
** Redd White from the first game is the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive amoral CEO]] of Bluecorp, a business that profits off of obtaining incriminating information and {{blackmail}}. In the past, Redd White [[spoiler:leaked information about Misty Fey's involvement with the police investigation of Gregory Edgeworth's murder, which resulted in the Fey clan of spirit medium's name being soiled]]. In the present day he has kept numerous influential people under his thumb such as Marvin Grossberg, forcing them to cater to his whims on threat of leaking their deepest secrets to the public, which would ruin their lives. He has driven numerous people to suicide as a result, and doesn't care in the slightest while fully intending to continue his blackmailing operations. When Mia Fey was preparing to bring evidence of his culpability in the suicides to the public, he stole the information she had and beat her to death before trying to pin the blame on her younger sister Maya. When Phoenix Wright uncovers the truth, Redd throws him under the bus instead, fully intent on using his connections in the legal world to crush him in court.
**[[spoiler:Manfred
von Karma]] is the BigBad of the first game. [[spoiler:As a prosecutor]], he had a flawless, decades-long win streak, until defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth managed to have him penalized for his illegal workings in the courtroom, causing [[spoiler:von Karma]] to become enraged by the black mark on his previously-perfect record. Right after the end of the case, an earthquake hit the building. It trapped Gregory Edgeworth, his nine-year-old son Miles, and a bailiff inside an elevator. As oxygen was beginning to run out, the bailiff panicked and attacked Gregory. Miles threw a piece of evidence from the trial at them to get them to stop fighting, which turned out to be a gun, which fired once, a terrible scream was heard, and then Miles passed out from lack of oxygen. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] had come across them. The bullet from the gun shot through the glass and hit his shoulder, causing him to scream. For revenge, [[spoiler:von Karma]] picked up the gun and shot the unconscious Gregory in the heart. Afterwards, [[spoiler:von Karma]] took Miles under his wing and, for fifteen years, raised Miles to be the antithesis of everything that Gregory Edgeworth was, [[TheCorrupter twisting the boy to fit his views]] and become a ruthless, cold-hearted prosecutor who cared for nothing but getting a guilty verdict every time. Finally, on the very last day before the Gregory Edgeworth murder case was closed forever, [[spoiler:von Karma]] set up a murder and [[FrameUp pinned the blame on Miles Edgeworth]], intending to have his own foster-son executed for a murder he didn't commit. [[spoiler:Von Karma]] also planned it out so that Miles would be convinced that he himself was the one who had killed his father and would confess to and be charged with that murder as well.
4th Sep '16 3:10:52 PM Kohdok
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* OhCrap: In case 1-4, when you realize that [[spoiler:Larry Butz is your only hope.]]
4th Sep '16 12:20:01 PM Kohdok
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* FillerArc: ''Turnabout Samurai'' is the only case in the game not linked to the overarching storyline regarding the DL-6 Incident.
1st Sep '16 2:29:10 PM LaptopGuy
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Case 2-3 (Turnabout Big Top). While a ''lot'' of fans consider it to be the worst case in the entire series, it does have a few defenders, largely because of [[spoiler:Acro]] being a very atypical "villain" for the series and being one of the most emotional cases in the franchise, and also for it being the only case in the game in which Maya (who is otherwise DemotedToExtra) has a prominent role throughout. A lot of the enjoyment also hinges upon whether or not you find the circus characters (aside from {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s Acro, Max and Regina) amusing or not (most notably Moe the clown).

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* LoveItOrHateIt: Case 2-3 (Turnabout Big Top). While a ''lot'' of fans consider it to be the worst case in the entire series, it does have a few defenders, largely because of [[spoiler:Acro]] being a very atypical "villain" for the series and being one of the most emotional cases in the franchise, and also for it being the only case in the game in which Maya (who is otherwise DemotedToExtra) has a prominent role throughout. A lot of the enjoyment also hinges upon whether or not you find the circus characters (aside from {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s Acro, Max and Regina) Darkhorse}} Acro) amusing or not (most notably Moe the clown).



* TheScrappy: Some players might find Moe really irritating because at one point of his cross-examination if he goes off-tangent ''Phoenix'' get penalized. Note that ''[[MotorMouth Oldbag's]]'' constant rambling in-and-on the court did not get this extreme reaction from the judge. Others either find his jokes unfunny or simply hate his [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]]. Him bringing Regina to the last day of trial may or may not [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescue him from the heap]] due to fans being divided on if it was a cruel JerkAss move or he was trying to have her see the truth about Acro and Bat.

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* TheScrappy: Some players might find Moe really irritating because at one point of his cross-examination if he goes off-tangent ''Phoenix'' get penalized. Note that ''[[MotorMouth Oldbag's]]'' constant rambling in-and-on the court did not get this extreme reaction from the judge. Others either find his jokes unfunny or simply hate his [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]]. Him bringing Regina to the last day of trial may or may not [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescue him from the heap]] (or just move him to BaseBreakingCharacter status) due to fans being divided on if it was a cruel JerkAss move or he was trying to have her see the truth about Acro and Bat.



* EvenBetterSequel: At the very least it's considered a big improvement over ''Justice For All'', with many fans regarding it as the best game in the entire ''Ace Attorney'' franchise.

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* EvenBetterSequel: At the very least it's considered a big improvement over ''Justice For All'', All'' (even though many agree none of the cases ''quite'' match up to "Farewell, My Turnabout"), with many fans regarding it as the best game in the entire ''Ace Attorney'' franchise.
1st Sep '16 2:18:45 PM LaptopGuy
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** Regina Berry. One one hand, between her appearance, personality, and role as the heart of the third case, many fans will concede that it's nearly impossible not to like her. However, many other characters find her naivety unbearable and hold her responsible for putting Bat into a coma and causing Acro' paralysis, and not showing any sympathy over them. Defenders, however, will say that her lack of remorse for the accident is because she did not understand the concept of death, rather than being a heartless monster. And others just hate her just because they hate the case she came from. When the Berry Big Circus returned in the second ''Investigations'' game, Regina was the only character from 2-3 (unless you count Money) to return.



** Also from the third case is Regina; between her appearance, personality, and role as the heart of the story, most fans will agree that it's nearly impossible not to like her -- except for those few who hold her responsible for Bat's coma and Acro's paralysis. When the Berry Big Circus returned in the second ''Investigations'' game, Regina was the only character from 2-3 (unless you count Money) to return.
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