History YMMV / Persona4

29th Oct '17 7:12:49 AM miraculous
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** [[spoiler: Adachi]] crossed it when he murdered the first two victims [[spoiler: because they wouldn't put out for him]].

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** [[spoiler: Adachi]] crossed it when he murdered the first two victims [[spoiler: because they wouldn't put out for him]].
21st Oct '17 10:26:22 PM Twist
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** While not immediately obvious, Adachi's nose and mouth are somewhat misaligned. Guess who turns out to be less than nice after all.
15th Oct '17 4:11:09 PM Wiseoung-5
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** Naoto's Social Link has you aid Naoto in investigating a culprit known as the "Phantom Thief". Come Persona 5, whose main characters operate under the name "Phantom Thieves", [[spoiler:with one of their enemies also being a detective]].
15th Oct '17 3:54:24 PM Wiseoung-5
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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Chihiro Fushimi]], whom you encounter during the school trip to [[spoiler:Gekkoukan High]].

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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Chihiro Fushimi]], Fushimi]]]], whom you encounter during the school trip to [[spoiler:Gekkoukan High]].
15th Oct '17 3:53:58 PM Wiseoung-5
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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Chihiro Fushimi]], whom you encounter during the school trip to [[spoiler:Gekkoukan High]].
8th Oct '17 4:11:28 AM FarSider
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** Mr. Yamada casually makes slips of the tongue [[HotForStudent implying that Yukiko, one of his students, is cute]], something that passes without comment. In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', Mr. Kamoshida lusts after Ann, [[spoiler:retaliating against her friend Shiho by sexually assaulting her when Ann spurns his advances]]- his attraction to her isn't portrayed as being acceptable in the least, and he comes off as one of the most despicable characters in the game..

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** Mr. Yamada casually makes slips of the tongue [[HotForStudent implying that Yukiko, one of his students, is cute]], something that passes without comment. In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', Mr. Kamoshida lusts after Ann, [[spoiler:retaliating against her friend Shiho by sexually assaulting her when Ann spurns his advances]]- his attraction to her isn't portrayed as being acceptable in the least, and he comes off as one of the most despicable characters in the game..game.
** [[spoiler:Marie, Igor's ''Golden''-only assistant together with Elizabeth]], is revealed to be a pawn of ''Persona 4's'' GreaterScopeVillain. Apparently, Atlus [[spoiler:decided to do it again in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', although this time it's the GreaterScopeVillain of that game himself who places himself in the Velvet Room, impersonating ''Igor'' no less.]]
29th Sep '17 10:33:47 PM Animeking1108
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** The rest of the Investigation Team may not be as bad as Yosuke and Chie in the JerkAss department, but they still have their moments, like Yu and Kanji coercing the girls into competing in the beauty pageant, the infamous Amagi Inn scene, and the times they took swipes at Kashiwagi and Hanako for their looks. Another point against them is their tendency to make short-sighted decisions, as mentioned in IdiotPlot below.
27th Sep '17 8:00:19 PM RisetteFan
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** Especially with the benefit of hindsight, ''Persona 4'' was one of ''the'' games that elevated game dubbing to the next level and began to put the "sub vs. dub" debate to rest. While there are still a few shaky performances from secondary characters (who the actors just don't have time to dig into) and Tracey Rooney's original performance of Chie was infamously uneven (and even then still had fans), the main cast all turn in exceptional performances that boosted their careers - Creator/YuriLowenthal, Creator/JohnnyYongBosch (which also helped prove he had range), Creator/DaveWittenberg, Creator/AmandaWinnLee, Creator/LauraBailey, all of them saw a boost after their killer performances. And most notably, Creator/TroyBaker's Kanji was ''so'' incredible that the fame from this performance propelled him to the heights of stardom and led to him becoming one of the most famous voice actors in the world. The game overall marks a major point at which dubbing was taken much more seriously, and also set a significantly higher bar for other works to reach.

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** Especially with the benefit of hindsight, ''Persona 4'' was one of ''the'' games that elevated game dubbing to the next level and began to put the "sub vs. dub" debate to rest. While there are still a few shaky performances from secondary characters (who the actors just don't have time to dig into) and Tracey Rooney's original performance of Chie was infamously uneven (and even then still had fans), the main cast all turn in exceptional performances that boosted their careers - Creator/YuriLowenthal, Creator/JohnnyYongBosch (which also helped prove he had range), Creator/DaveWittenberg, Creator/AmandaWinnLee, Creator/LauraBailey, and Creator/LauraBailey all of them saw a boost in their careers after their killer performances. And most notably, Creator/TroyBaker's Kanji was ''so'' incredible that the fame from this performance propelled him to the heights of stardom and led to him becoming one of the most famous voice actors in the world. The game overall marks a major point at which dubbing was taken much more seriously, and also set a significantly higher bar for other works to reach.
27th Sep '17 7:58:24 PM RisetteFan
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** If anything, cast changes in later versions and adaptations have proven ''controversial'' because of this - while Creator/ErinFitzgerald's Chie is more consistent than Rooney's, many fans feel Rooney's Chie had more charm. And while Creator/MatthewMercer has done his best to fill in for Baker after Baker went "big" and ended up out of Atlus' price range, they're still massive shoes to fill. And the less said of the debate between Wittenberg's Teddie and Creator/SamRiegel's, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the better, perhaps]]. Also, Creator/AshlyBurch's performance for Rise in ''VideoGame/Persona4DancingAllNight'' was criticized for having Rise's lines come across as a DullSurprise in which many fans considered Creator/LauraBailey's performance superior.

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** If anything, cast changes in later versions and adaptations have proven ''controversial'' because of this - while Creator/ErinFitzgerald's Chie is more consistent than Rooney's, many fans feel Rooney's Chie had more charm. And while Creator/MatthewMercer has done his best to fill in for Baker after Baker went "big" and ended up out of Atlus' price range, they're still massive shoes to fill. And the less said of the debate between Wittenberg's Teddie and Creator/SamRiegel's, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the better, perhaps]]. perhaps]] (however, it is agreed that the difference between them isn't substantial or bad). And while Creator/MatthewMercer has done his best to fill in for Baker after Baker became so well known and busy, they're still massive shoes to fill. Also, Creator/AshlyBurch's performance for Rise in ''VideoGame/Persona4DancingAllNight'' was criticized for having Rise's lines come across as a DullSurprise in which and poorly delivered, and many fans considered Creator/LauraBailey's performance significantly superior.
24th Sep '17 5:25:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* IdiotPlot: The plot really tests the player's Suspension of Disbelief with how stupid the characters are to get it going. First, you have Saki's murder, which was [[spoiler: committed at a police station]], which has you wonder why nobody was taking better care of the underage witness or the golden horseshoe [[spoiler: Adachi]] had up his ass to not get caught. Then you have Namatame [[spoiler: blindly assuming the TV world is safe without actually going in it]], leading to many instances of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot. Finally, a good number of the kidnappings were caused by the Investigation Team's own ineptitude. Kanji got abducted because Chie was too dense to play along with Yosuke's claim that they were dating, leading to him chasing them away. Rise got abducted because she thought it was a good idea not to have a bodyguard with her at Inaba, thinking that just because she's taking a hiatus, her stalkers and the tabloids will too. [[spoiler: Nanako]] got abducted because of Dojima's kneejerk reaction to the threatening letter, leaving her home alone and vulnerable. The Protagonist also gets idiot points for not sticking his hand in a TV to prove to Dojima he wasn't bullshitting him when there was one around.

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* IdiotPlot: The plot really tests the player's Suspension of Disbelief with how stupid the characters are to get it going. First, you have Saki's murder, which was [[spoiler: committed at a police station]], which has you wonder why nobody was taking better care of the underage witness or the golden horseshoe [[spoiler: Adachi]] had up his ass to not get caught. Then you have Namatame [[spoiler: blindly assuming the TV world is safe without actually going in it]], leading to many instances of CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot.it]]. Finally, a good number of the kidnappings were caused by the Investigation Team's own ineptitude. Kanji got abducted because Chie was too dense to play along with Yosuke's claim that they were dating, leading to him chasing them away. Rise got abducted because she thought it was a good idea not to have a bodyguard with her at Inaba, thinking that just because she's taking a hiatus, her stalkers and the tabloids will too. [[spoiler: Nanako]] got abducted because of Dojima's kneejerk reaction to the threatening letter, leaving her home alone and vulnerable. The Protagonist also gets idiot points for not sticking his hand in a TV to prove to Dojima he wasn't bullshitting him when there was one around.



%%* InformedWrongness: Also, a lot of complaints about Japanese society are dismissed as crazy, because they come out of the mouth of [[spoiler:a psychotic serial killer trying to justify murdering innocents]].
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