History YMMV / Persona4

7th Feb '16 5:04:36 AM matteste
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* {{Filler}}: Several scenes and sub arcs add nothing to the plot or characters and could have been dropped from the game completely and nothing would have been lost in the characters or the central plot of the game. Examples include the camping trip, the school trip, the Amagi inn scene and the school festival among others. ''Golden'' proceeded to include even more.
6th Feb '16 6:15:22 PM Animeking1108
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** Some felt Nanako [[spoiler: coming back to life]] was a bit of a WriterCopOut. If she [[spoiler: stayed dead]], it would have given more gravity to the scene when [[spoiler: the Investigation Team confronted Namatame and Adachi]], and it'd drop the [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped harsh, but realist message that even heroes aren't perfect]].
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** Some felt Nanako [[spoiler: coming back to life]] was a bit of a WriterCopOut. If she [[spoiler: stayed dead]], it would have given more gravity to the scene scenes when [[spoiler: the Investigation Team confronted Namatame and Adachi]], and it'd drop the [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped harsh, but realist realistic message that even heroes aren't perfect]].
6th Feb '16 6:13:13 PM Animeking1108
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Early in development, [[spoiler: Dojima was originally going to have been the killer]]. Some people felt like him being the killer makes a lot more sense. He'd have a good motive (maybe he believed that the first victim [[spoiler: potentially killed his wife]]), and some of his more questionable behavior throughout the game (like [[spoiler: leaving Nanako home alone after the threatening letter was sent]] being justified better because he assumed she'd be in no real danger and didn't take [[spoiler: Namatame]] in account), and the player got to know him better than the real killer. Combine that with [[spoiler: Adachi's rather flimsy motive]], it makes you wonder just how late in development the change was made. ** Some felt Nanako [[spoiler: coming back to life]] was a bit of a WriterCopOut. If she [[spoiler: stayed dead]], it would have given more gravity to the scene when [[spoiler: the Investigation Team confronted Namatame and Adachi]], and it'd drop the [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped harsh, but realist message that even heroes aren't perfect]].
3rd Feb '16 7:07:07 AM SilenceInTheLibrary
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** It wouldn't be an ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} game without them. The first one of many is Shadow Yukiko, having a lot of HP compared to the previous boss Shadow Chie. Her Burn to Ashes attack deals high damage, even while guarding. When she reaches half health, she'll summon a Charming Prince that will inflict your party members with status effects and leave your party members open to Shadow Yukiko's Shivering Rondo, which is nearly guaranteed to kill a Fearful target in one hit. In the original Persona 4, she didn't even have a weakness - her servant was weak to ice. It's easier in Persona 4 Golden where she has a weakness to Ice and her servant is weak to Elec, but the Charming Prince can still Silence Chie with Makajam.
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** It wouldn't be an ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} game without them. The first one of many is Shadow Yukiko, having a lot of HP compared to the previous boss Shadow Chie. Her Burn to Ashes attack deals high damage, even while guarding. When she reaches half health, she'll summon a Charming Prince that will inflict your party members with status effects and leave your party members open to Shadow Yukiko's Shivering Rondo, which is nearly guaranteed to kill a Fearful target in one hit. In the original Persona 4, she didn't even have a weakness - her servant was weak to ice. It's easier in Persona 4 Golden where she has a weakness to Ice and her servant is weak to Elec, but the Charming Prince can still Silence Chie with Makajam. And did we mention Shadow Yukiko has more than twice her original health now?
3rd Feb '16 6:56:14 AM SilenceInTheLibrary
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Even if you DO have Megidoloan as early as Void Quest, using it won't be worth the cost with stats as low as they are at that point. You can use Virus Wave all you want at Level 10, and it still won't kill all your enemies. I also need to reiterate—the Magician card is PAINFULLY RARE.
** Chie, in ''Golden'', as she gets Apt Pupil and Auto-Tarukaja to replace Bufula and Ice Boost. She is more Critical Hit based now. Her Black Spot and Rainy Death skills both have a 35% Critical Hit rate, the highest in the game, and with Apt Pupil and Rebellion, it reaches a 70% Critical Hit rate. Chie will then hit Critical Hits often and can trivialize entire encounters.
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** Chie, in ''Golden'', as she gets Apt Pupil and Auto-Tarukaja to replace Bufula and Ice Boost. She is more Critical Hit based now.Auto-Tarukaja. Her Black Spot and Rainy Death skills both have a 35% Critical Hit rate, the highest in the game, and with Apt Pupil and Rebellion, it reaches a 70% Critical Hit rate. By spamming critical hits, Chie will then hit Critical Hits often and can trivialize entire encounters. The only problem is that Rainy Death is only around for 3 levels before God's Hand comes along, which is arguably still game-breaking.

** In ''Golden'', the Magician card after battles can upgrade a skill from its current power to the next level of power when applicable. That means, with enough patience, you could do this twice and turn a Megido skill into a ''Megidolaon'' skill as early as Void Quest.

*** Black Frost comes with no weaknesses, handily absorbing Fire and Ice and reflecting Dark. It also naturally learns Mind Charge, Agidyne, and Fire Amp, meaning it can set off some powerful Fire attacks. On top of that, in ''Golden'', following the Magician card advice from above, it is a prime candidate to give a Megido skill card to so it can upgrade to Megidolaon with enough patience. This can all be done as early as Void Quest and trivializes the rest of the game, at least until you get the next two Personas down below.
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*** Black Frost comes with no weaknesses, handily absorbing Fire and Ice and reflecting Dark. It also naturally learns Mind Charge, Agidyne, and Fire Amp, meaning it can set off some powerful Fire attacks. On top of that, in ''Golden'', following the Magician card advice from above, it is a prime candidate to give a Megido skill card to so it can upgrade to Megidolaon with enough patience. This can all be done as early as Void Quest and trivializes the rest of the game, at least until you get the next two Personas down below.
1st Feb '16 4:17:05 PM Aspie
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** Nanako asking if the weather forecaster decides the weather becomes this after the ending of ''Golden'', when [[spoiler: Marie becomes a weather forecaster who really can decide the weather.]]
22nd Jan '16 6:44:37 AM Animeking1108
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*** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. The problems people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times, [[{{Padding}} they drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).
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*** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. The problems people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times, times (the aforementioned Amagi Inn and Camping Trip scenes), [[{{Padding}} they sometimes drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).
22nd Jan '16 6:41:29 AM Animeking1108
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** Is the events at the Amagi Inn, namely the hotsprings, funny or not? Some people think that despite how funny it was, it was pretty offensive to both genders while some think it's just plain funny. ** Similarly, the school camping trip; purely funny, funny but offensive (Yosuke's [[NeverLiveItDown infamously]] homophobic interactions with Kanji when he stays in the tent and his unflattering comments about the girls in their swimsuits) and/or gross (the ToiletHumor of Yu, Yosuke and Kanji ending up in the river [[{{Squick}} whilst their hung-over teacher is barfing into the river further upstream]]), or simply flat-out not funny? *** This is very similar to the hotsprings event in ''Videogame/{{Persona 3}}'', except that here the guys seeing the girls naked is a genuine accident (on the girls behalf, no less -- not that [[DifferentForGirls they ever apologise]]), rather than something set up by the dumb hornball teammember.
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** Is the events at the Amagi Inn, namely the hotsprings, funny or not? Some people think that despite how funny it was, it was pretty offensive to both genders while some think it's just plain funny. ** funny. This is very similar to the hotsprings event in ''Videogame/{{Persona 3}}'', except that here the guys seeing the girls naked is a genuine accident (on the girls behalf, no less -- not that [[DifferentForGirls they ever apologise]]), rather than something set up by the dumb hornball teammember. Another problem is that in ''Persona 3,'' if you didn't want the guys to get beaten up, the player could avoid it. In ''Persona 4,'' the player is given a dialogue option that you need full Courage to use, but [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption they end up with the same results regardless]]. *** Similarly, the school camping trip; purely funny, funny but offensive (Yosuke's [[NeverLiveItDown infamously]] homophobic interactions with Kanji when he stays in the tent and his unflattering comments about the girls in their swimsuits) and/or gross (the ToiletHumor of Yu, Yosuke and Kanji ending up in the river [[{{Squick}} whilst their hung-over teacher is barfing into the river further upstream]]), or simply flat-out not funny? *** This In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. The problems people have with them is that they can be very similar to [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times, [[{{Padding}} they drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the hotsprings event in ''Videogame/{{Persona 3}}'', except camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that here the guys seeing the girls naked is they provide a genuine accident (on the girls behalf, no less -- not lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that [[DifferentForGirls he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they ever apologise]]), rather than something set up by discover the dumb hornball teammember.TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).
19th Jan '16 9:02:12 PM KingZeal
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This is literally nothing but complaining about people complaining/having their applicability.
* MisaimedFandom: ** Many fans focus so much on Kanji's sexuality issues that they lose sight of the fact that, while that ''is'' an important factor, his issues are with acceptance in general, not just that. In fact, after his level his ambiguous sexuality is only mentioned as a RunningGag, while his Social Link focuses more on being true to himself. True, whether he is straight or gay ([[BiTheWay or bisexual]]) ''is'' a part of his problems, but it's not the ''only'' one. Kanji himself ends up not particularly caring about the issue. ** Naoto Shirogane similarly suffers from a fandom that insists she must be FTM transgender, completely missing the point of her character: she doesn't see herself as male, but feels she must be seen as an adult male rather than a little girl to be taken seriously due to the sexism in her chosen field of work, and an arguably larger part of her character is her young age rather than her gender. A good example of this misaimed fandom can be seen in [[http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=6088 this transgender gamer's blogpost here]], where they utter a scathing critique on Naoto as a vessel for transphobia, "conveniently" forgetting that this is a ''Japanese'' game made for an audience that has ''very'' different viewpoints. Admittedly, the misaimed fandom is not helped by the rather... polemic (so to say) nature of her romance storyline, where encouraging her to act more like a conventional girl is handled in a ''very'' heavy-handed fashion.
19th Jan '16 12:05:21 PM KingZeal
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Many of Yosuke's views on gender roles and sexuality don't endear him to western audiences. Given that he consistently suffers LaserGuidedKarma it's likely that the writers meant for Yosuke's attitude to be a character flaw [[CharacterDevelopment that he largely overcomes by the end of the game]]. However, this trope (coined by [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick Lindsay Ellis]] as the "[[http://www.ifc.com/2015/07/hollywood-its-time-to-retire-the-loveable-misogynist-movie-hero Loveable Misogynist]]", still comes with a host of problems all its own. This trope being one of them.
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