History YMMV / Persona4

25th May '16 1:35:05 PM starofjusticev21
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: When [[spoiler:Adachi]] is defeated a narration box points out you've finally taken down the source of all the trouble in town. Right, which is why the group's Social Link only climbed to 9/10 at that and your ability to create Personas of that type is stronger now, because that's not something you'll have to do anymore.
25th May '16 12:06:59 PM starofjusticev21
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* SpoiledByTheFormat: When [[spoiler:Adachi]] is defeated a narration box points out you've finally taken down the source of all the trouble in town. Right, which is why the group's Social Link only climbed to 9/10 at that and your ability to create Personas of that type is stronger now, because that's not something you'll have to do anymore.
16th May '16 3:14:32 PM Beats1218
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* AcceptableTargets: [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]]. Morooka, Kashiwagi (while not exactly ugly in the eyes of fans, is still treated as such by the characters), Hanako, and Kubo are unattractive, and they're all Jerk Asses.

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* AcceptableTargets: [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]]. Morooka, Kashiwagi (while not exactly ugly in the eyes of fans, is still treated as such by the characters), Hanako, and Kubo are unattractive, and they're all [[JerkAss Jerk Asses.asses]].



** [[spoiler: This is supported by the fact that the only time Saki is portrayed as hateful towards Yosuke it is her Shadow Self's lingering thoughts and of course she'd be freaked out by a rambling weirdo saying she'll die and a police officer who is leering at her, so her reactions to them are justified. The one scene she has with Yosuke, she legitimately seems worried about him making friends due to being both new in town and the son of the manager of Junes. And since she is being pressured herself about the latter both at home and by strangers, it's just as likely that she actually means what she says about the MC looking after Yosuke.]]

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** [[spoiler: This is supported by the fact that the only time Saki is portrayed as hateful towards Yosuke it is her Shadow Self's lingering thoughts and of course she'd be freaked out by a rambling weirdo saying she'll die and a police officer who is leering at her, so her reactions to them are justified. The one scene she has with Yosuke, she legitimately seems worried about him making friends due to being both new in town and the son of the manager of Junes. And since she is being pressured herself about the latter both at home and by strangers, it's just as likely that she actually means what she says about the MC Yu looking after Yosuke.]]



** Dojima. Many found his negligence towards Nanako groan-worthy, due to his tendency to leave her home alone when there's a serial killer on the loose. This gets really bad near the end of the game when [[spoiler: he leaves her home after the protagonist received a threatening letter]].
** Chie. While she is arguably the most popular female character, there are others who found her JerkAss behavior annoying. Not helping is that she never gets called out on it.

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** Dojima. Many found his negligence towards Nanako groan-worthy, due to his tendency to leave her home alone when there's a serial killer on the loose. This gets really bad near the end of the game when [[spoiler: he leaves her home after the protagonist Yu received a threatening letter]].
** Chie. While she is arguably the most popular female character, character in the game, there are others who found her JerkAss behavior annoying. Not helping is that she never gets called out on it.



* BrokenAesop: Yosuke, Naoki, and Hisano's Social Links involve them learning to come to terms with the death of a loved one. Those Aesops end up getting derailed when [[spoiler: Nanako comes BackFromTheDead]], preventing the Protagonist from learning that lesson himself.

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* BrokenAesop: Yosuke, Naoki, and Hisano's Social Links involve them learning to come to terms with the death of a loved one. Those Aesops end up getting derailed when [[spoiler: Nanako comes BackFromTheDead]], preventing the Protagonist Yu from learning that lesson himself.



** [[Creator/ErinFitzgerald Erin]] [[TheOtherDarrin Fitzgerald]] voicing Chie in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'' and ''[[Anime/Persona4TheAnimation The Animation]]''. Some think she does a very good job at portraying Chie, maybe even a better job than Tracey Rooney. Others think her voice is too high-pitched and [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks just plain don't like her due to the change]].

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** [[Creator/ErinFitzgerald Erin]] [[TheOtherDarrin Fitzgerald]] voicing Chie in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'' and ''[[Anime/Persona4TheAnimation The Animation]]''. Some think she does a very good job at portraying Chie, maybe even a better job than Tracey Rooney. Others think her voice is too high-pitched and [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks just plain don't like her new voice due to the change]].



** The issue of whether or not Kanji is actually gay[[note]]WordOfSaintPaul has his original VA TroyBaker go on the record that he portrayed Kanji as gay and believes he is[[/note]], and whether Naoto is a crossdressing girl, a {{Transgender}} female-to-male individual, or is really ''neither'' of these and her plot is instead more about how tying one's self-worth to "gender identity" at all is unnecessary and a bit silly[[note]]which seems to have been the original intent, but the message [[ValuesDissonance didn't quite make the jump across cultures]] as cleanly as the writers on both sides of the Pacific hoped[[/note]].

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** The issue of whether or not Kanji is actually gay[[note]]WordOfSaintPaul has his original VA TroyBaker VA, Creator/TroyBaker, go on the record that he portrayed Kanji as gay and believes he is[[/note]], and whether Naoto is a crossdressing girl, a {{Transgender}} female-to-male individual, or is really ''neither'' of these and her plot is instead more about how tying one's self-worth to "gender identity" at all is unnecessary and a bit silly[[note]]which seems to have been the original intent, but the message [[ValuesDissonance didn't quite make the jump across cultures]] as cleanly as the writers on both sides of the Pacific hoped[[/note]].



* EscapistCharacter: The protagonist definitely qualifies as he can romance school and TV idols, is an uncontested leader, a SupremeChef, a WarriorTherapist and generally comes out as a all-around cool guy for absolutely everyone he meets.

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* EscapistCharacter: The protagonist Yu definitely qualifies as he can romance school and TV idols, is an uncontested leader, a SupremeChef, a WarriorTherapist and generally comes out as a all-around cool guy for absolutely everyone he meets.



** Kanji/Naoto, to the point where people who haven't played the game think they're an [[OfficialCouple official couple]] in the game. They even have a ship name: Kannao (完直). The popularity of the pairing has gotten to the point where Atlus has taken notice (despite originally treating it as a one-off in the original ''Persona 4''), and added a lot of [[ShipTease ship tease material]] in ''Persona 4 Golden'' (like the scene in the ski trip where Naoto falls on top of Kanji [[SnowMeansLove when they're out in the snow]]). ''VideoGame/PersonaQ'' even includes options for the protagonist to spur on their relationship. Recently it seems to be the most popular het pairing for the franchise.

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** Kanji/Naoto, to the point where people who haven't played the game think they're an [[OfficialCouple official couple]] in the game. They even have a ship name: Kannao (完直). The popularity of the pairing has gotten to the point where Atlus has taken notice (despite originally treating it as a one-off in the original ''Persona 4''), and added a lot of [[ShipTease ship tease material]] in ''Persona 4 Golden'' (like the scene in the ski trip where Naoto falls on top of Kanji [[SnowMeansLove when they're out in the snow]]). ''VideoGame/PersonaQ'' even includes options for the protagonist Yu to spur on their relationship. Recently it seems to be the most popular het pairing for the franchise.



** Sometimes Yosuke's status as ButtMonkey goes too far, especially when it comes to Saki, ''but then'' he also does things like [[MoralDissonance mock Kanji's sexuality]] and [[WhatTheHellHero sign the girls up for a Beauty Pagaent against their will.]] Naturally, this makes him something of a BaseBreaker.

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** Sometimes Yosuke's status as ButtMonkey goes too far, especially when it comes to Saki, ''but then'' he also does things like [[MoralDissonance mock Kanji's sexuality]] and [[WhatTheHellHero sign the girls up for a Beauty Pagaent Pageant against their will.]] Naturally, this makes him something of a BaseBreaker.



* MemeticTroll: Yukiko Amagi. Usually a DitzyGenius YamatoNadeshiko, the event at the Amagi Inn where she messed up the schedules of the boys on purpose and makes their stay at her inn just [[PlayedForLaughs hilariously unpleasant]] has made people think she's a rather sneaky {{Troll}}.

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* MemeticTroll: Yukiko Amagi. Usually a DitzyGenius YamatoNadeshiko, the event at the Amagi Inn where she messed up the schedules of the boys on purpose and makes their stay at her inn just [[PlayedForLaughs hilariously unpleasant]] has made people think she's a rather sneaky lovable {{Troll}}.



** "Welcome home, Big Bro!" [[spoiler:Once it's gone, you ''will'' miss it.]]
** The music that plays when you max a social link.
** The sound cue that plays along with a cut-in when a team member lands a critical hit or strikes a weakness. As of Golden, after January you can hear it as often as you like.

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** Nanako: "Welcome home, Big Bro!" [[spoiler:Once it's gone, you ''will'' miss it.]]
** The music that plays when you max out a social link.
** The Just like ''3'', the sound cue that plays along with a EyedScreen cut-in when a team member lands a critical hit or strikes a weakness. As of Golden, after January you can hear it as often as you like.



** [[spoiler:Adachi proves that confronting a brutal killer becomes notably less frightening when he's wearing a smile that just screams "heavily intoxicated". He can switch between chilling and hilarious within the space of a minute, so he's prone to getting this reaction. ''Golden'' probably brings in the biggest example with [[http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/14/144912/2254322-2012_07_02_180435.jpeg this face.]]]]

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** [[spoiler:Adachi proves that confronting a brutal killer becomes notably less frightening when he's wearing a smile smile, both his model and portrait, that just screams "heavily intoxicated". He can switch between chilling and hilarious within the space of a minute, so he's prone to getting this reaction. ''Golden'' probably brings in the biggest example with [[http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/14/144912/2254322-2012_07_02_180435.jpeg this face.]]]]



** Shadow Teddie. Sure, he may sound menacing thanks to DaveWittenberg's performance, but you can't help but bust out laughing when he could easily be compared to [[Film/RedDragon Hannibal Lecter]] in a bear suit.

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** Shadow Teddie. Sure, he may sound menacing thanks to DaveWittenberg's [[Creator/DaveWittenberg Wittenburg]]'s performance, but you can't help but bust out laughing when he could easily be compared to [[Film/RedDragon Hannibal Lecter]] in a bear suit.



* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. Yu/Rise also has their fair share of shippers, most of them coming off from the manga where they were the OfficialCouple. As for Chie, she and Yu are part of the ThreeAmigos who founded the Investigation Team, although as with Yu/Naoto, Yu/Chie has issues with Yosuke/Chie and Yu/Yosuke. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West. Granted, the anime and spin-offs [[CuttingOffTheBranches don't make any of the pairings canon]], and are implied only through small bits of dialogue, but even the small moments of ShipTease Yu has with the girls do not help matters.
* ShockingSwerve: The revelation of [[spoiler:Adachi]] as the true murderer comes as a big shock to some players. You either had to pay incredibly close attention to every bit of their dialog, or use a process of elimination when given a list of suspects and go from there. [[spoiler:While your list of suspects isn't terribly hard to eliminate (i.e. it can't be a party member, a social link, or the guy you just proved innocent), the revelation itself is barely hinted at. In ''Golden'' Adachi ''is'' a Social Link, but [[InterfaceSpoiler will only move past Rank 6 at story mandated points, which could clue the player in on there being more to Adachi than at first glance.]]]]

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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. Yu/Rise also has their fair share of shippers, most of them coming off from the manga where they were the OfficialCouple. As for Chie, she and Yu are part of the ThreeAmigos who founded the Investigation Team, although as with Yu/Naoto, Yu/Chie has issues with Yosuke/Chie and Yu/Yosuke. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC Yu and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West. Granted, the anime and spin-offs [[CuttingOffTheBranches don't make any of the pairings canon]], and are implied only through small bits of dialogue, but even the small moments of ShipTease Yu has with the girls do not help matters.
* ShockingSwerve: The revelation of [[spoiler:Adachi]] as the true murderer comes as a big shock to some players. You either had to pay incredibly close attention to every bit of their dialog, or use a process of elimination when given a list of suspects and go from there. [[spoiler:While your list of suspects isn't terribly hard to eliminate (i.e. it can't be a party member, a social link, or the guy you just proved innocent), the revelation itself is barely hinted at. In ''Golden'' ''Golden'', Adachi ''is'' a Social Link, but [[InterfaceSpoiler will only move past Rank 6 at story mandated points, which could clue the player in on there being more to Adachi than at first glance.]]]]



** [[spoiler: Izanami]] in the original PS2 version. She had little build-up, coming off as a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere. She seemed to only exist to give the game a final boss. This is rectified in ''Golden,'' where she is at least built-up better.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Early in development, [[spoiler: Dojima was originally going to have been the killer]]. Some people felt like him being the killer makes a lot more sense. He'd have a good motive (maybe he believed that the first victim [[spoiler: potentially killed his wife]]), and some of his more questionable behavior throughout the game (like [[spoiler: leaving Nanako home alone after the threatening letter was sent]] being justified better because he assumed she'd be in no real danger and didn't take [[spoiler: Namatame]] in account), and the player got to know him better than the real killer. Combine that with [[spoiler: Adachi's rather flimsy motive]], it makes you wonder just how late in development the change was made.

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** [[spoiler: Izanami]] in the original PS2 version. She had little build-up, coming off as a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere. She seemed to only exist to give the game a final boss. This is rectified averted in ''Golden,'' where she is at least built-up better.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Early in development, [[spoiler: '''[[spoiler: Dojima was originally going to have been the killer]].killer]]'''. Some people felt like him being the killer makes a lot more sense. He'd have a good motive (maybe he believed that the first victim [[spoiler: potentially killed his wife]]), and some of his more questionable behavior throughout the game (like [[spoiler: leaving Nanako home alone after the threatening letter was sent]] being justified better because he assumed she'd be in no real danger and didn't take [[spoiler: Namatame]] in account), and the player got to know him better than the real killer. Combine that with [[spoiler: Adachi's rather flimsy motive]], it makes you wonder just how late in development the change was made.
13th May '16 9:42:23 PM santos32
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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. Yu/Rise also has their fair share of shippers, most of them coming off from the manga where they were the OfficialCouple. As for Chie, she and Yu are part of the ThreeAmigos who founded the Investigation Team, although as with Yu/Naoto, Yu/Chie has issues with Yosuke/Chie and [[HoYay Yu/Yosuke.]] And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West. Granted, the anime and spin-offs [[CuttingOffTheBranches don't make any of the pairings canon]], and are implied only through small bits of dialogue, but even the small moments of ShipTease Yu has with the girls do not help matters.

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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. Yu/Rise also has their fair share of shippers, most of them coming off from the manga where they were the OfficialCouple. As for Chie, she and Yu are part of the ThreeAmigos who founded the Investigation Team, although as with Yu/Naoto, Yu/Chie has issues with Yosuke/Chie and [[HoYay Yu/Yosuke.]] Yu/Yosuke. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West. Granted, the anime and spin-offs [[CuttingOffTheBranches don't make any of the pairings canon]], and are implied only through small bits of dialogue, but even the small moments of ShipTease Yu has with the girls do not help matters.
10th May '16 11:12:06 AM santos32
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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West.

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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. Yu/Rise also has their fair share of shippers, most of them coming off from the manga where they were the OfficialCouple. As for Chie, she and Yu are part of the ThreeAmigos who founded the Investigation Team, although as with Yu/Naoto, Yu/Chie has issues with Yosuke/Chie and [[HoYay Yu/Yosuke.]] And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West. Granted, the anime and spin-offs [[CuttingOffTheBranches don't make any of the pairings canon]], and are implied only through small bits of dialogue, but even the small moments of ShipTease Yu has with the girls do not help matters.
10th May '16 11:02:51 AM santos32
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** During a scripted portion of the final battle, [[spoiler:your party members push you out of the way and sacrifice themselves to Izanami's attack]]. It's all very dramatic, except that [[spoiler:you being pushed]] is accompanied by a rather cartoonish and comical [[KungFoley "Punch!" sound effect]]. It's even better if [[spoiler:one of the party members is Kanji, whose method of "pushing" you is literally jumping through the air and ''kicking'' you with both feet]].

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** During a scripted portion of the final battle, [[spoiler:your party members push you out of the way and sacrifice themselves to Izanami's attack]]. It's all very dramatic, except that [[spoiler:you being pushed]] is accompanied by a rather cartoonish and comical [[KungFoley "Punch!" sound effect]]. It's even better if [[spoiler:one of the party members is Kanji, whose method of "pushing" you is literally jumping through the air and ''kicking'' ''dropkicking'' you with both feet]].
10th May '16 11:01:22 AM santos32
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* MartyStu: Yu, though perhaps intentionally so. Persona 4 allows the player to potentially become this insanely talented, ultra likeable all-star of a student. When Yu transitioned from being an audience surrogate to an actual character, his character was essentially an amalgamation of player experiences. He ended up inheriting all the traits that made him (ie: you) awesome, thus turning him into a "Mr. Perfect" type character. The anime rectifies this significantly by giving him flaws and having him undergo an actual character arc. ''[[VideoGame/PersonaQ]]'' also tones down his sue-ness by making him into a calm yet rather strange individual with CloudCuckoolander tendencies and framing his lack of shadow confrontation as a ''bad thing.''

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* MartyStu: Yu, though perhaps intentionally so. Persona 4 allows the player to potentially become this insanely talented, ultra likeable all-star of a student. When Yu transitioned from being an audience surrogate to an actual character, his character was essentially an amalgamation of player experiences. He ended up inheriting all the traits that made him (ie: you) you and other players) awesome, thus turning him into a "Mr. Perfect" type character. The anime rectifies this significantly by giving him flaws and having him undergo an actual character arc. ''[[VideoGame/PersonaQ]]'' ''VideoGame/PersonaQ'' also tones down his sue-ness by making him into a calm yet rather strange individual with CloudCuckoolander tendencies and framing his lack of shadow confrontation as a ''bad thing.''
10th May '16 10:57:09 AM santos32
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** Being a HeroicMime, the protagonist's personality is ultimately determined by the player, but some personality traits have become recurring in fanfiction, such as him being a BadassBookworm, a DeadpanSnarker (His dialogue options tend to head towards OnlySaneMan most of the time, but sometimes head towards this), a NiceGuy and the OnlySaneMan (Literal non-example, he's the only member of the party whose persona does not stem from having resolved his own mental issues (he hasn't got any). If you pay attention, most of his dialogue choices tend to edge towards this as well.)

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** Being a HeroicMime, the protagonist's personality is ultimately determined by the player, but some personality traits have become recurring in fanfiction, such as him being a BadassBookworm, a DeadpanSnarker (His dialogue options tend to head towards OnlySaneMan most of the time, but sometimes head towards this), a NiceGuy and the OnlySaneMan (Literal non-example, he's the only member of the party whose persona does not stem from having resolved his own mental issues (he hasn't got any). If you pay attention, most of his dialogue choices tend to edge towards this as well.)) Many of these traits would become canon after future games established the anime's Yu Narukami as "canon".
10th May '16 10:53:55 AM santos32
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** The issue of whether or not Kanji is actually gay, and whether Naoto is a crossdressing girl, a {{Transgender}} female-to-male individual, or is really ''neither'' of these and her plot is instead more about how tying one's self-worth to "gender identity" at all is unnecessary and a bit silly[[note]]which seems to have been the original intent, but the message [[ValuesDissonance didn't quite make the jump across cultures]] as cleanly as the writers on both sides of the Pacific hoped[[/note]].

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** The issue of whether or not Kanji is actually gay, gay[[note]]WordOfSaintPaul has his original VA TroyBaker go on the record that he portrayed Kanji as gay and believes he is[[/note]], and whether Naoto is a crossdressing girl, a {{Transgender}} female-to-male individual, or is really ''neither'' of these and her plot is instead more about how tying one's self-worth to "gender identity" at all is unnecessary and a bit silly[[note]]which seems to have been the original intent, but the message [[ValuesDissonance didn't quite make the jump across cultures]] as cleanly as the writers on both sides of the Pacific hoped[[/note]].
10th May '16 10:50:59 AM santos32
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*** Under this, the recent English voice cast only have 3/8 of the original cast. You'll see people argue over the voices of Chie, Kanji[[note]]TroyBaker in the original, ''Arena'', ''Golden'' and the first half of the anime --> MatthewMercer in the second half, ''Q'', ''Ultimax'' and ''Dancing All Night''[[/note]], Teddie[[note]]Dave Wittenburg in the original --> SamRiegel starting with ''Arena''[[/note]], Naoto[[note]]Her original uncredited actress in the original, ''Arena'' and ''Golden'' --> MaryElizabethWinstead in the anime --> Valerie Arem beginning with ''Q''[[/note]] and Rise[[note]]LauraBailey in everything except for ''Dancing All Night'', where she was replaced by AshlyBurch[[/note]].

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*** Under this, the recent English voice cast only have 3/8 of the original cast. You'll see people argue over the voices of Chie, Kanji[[note]]TroyBaker in the original, ''Arena'', ''Golden'' and the first half of the anime --> MatthewMercer in the second half, ''Q'', ''Ultimax'' and ''Dancing All Night''[[/note]], Teddie[[note]]Dave Wittenburg in the original --> SamRiegel starting with ''Arena''[[/note]], Naoto[[note]]Her original uncredited actress in the original, ''Arena'' and ''Golden'' --> MaryElizabethWinstead MaryElizabethMcGlynn in the anime --> Valerie Arem beginning with ''Q''[[/note]] and Rise[[note]]LauraBailey in everything except for ''Dancing All Night'', where she was replaced by AshlyBurch[[/note]].
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