History YMMV / Persona4

16th Apr '16 10:32:07 PM anza_sb
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* MartyStu: Yu, though perhaps intentionally so. Persona 4 allows the player to potentially become this insanely talented, ultra likeable all-star of a student. When Yu transitioned from being an audience surrogate to an actual character, his character was essentially an amalgamation of player experiences. He ended up inheriting all the traits that made him (ie: you) awesome, thus turning him into a "Mr. Perfect" type character. The anime rectifies this significantly by giving him flaws and having him undergo an actual character arc. [[Persona Q Persona Q]] also tones down his sue-ness by making him into a calm yet rather strange individual with CloudCuckoolander tendencies and framing his lack of shadow confrontation as a ''bad thing.''

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* MartyStu: Yu, though perhaps intentionally so. Persona 4 allows the player to potentially become this insanely talented, ultra likeable all-star of a student. When Yu transitioned from being an audience surrogate to an actual character, his character was essentially an amalgamation of player experiences. He ended up inheriting all the traits that made him (ie: you) awesome, thus turning him into a "Mr. Perfect" type character. The anime rectifies this significantly by giving him flaws and having him undergo an actual character arc. [[Persona Q Persona Q]] ''[[VideoGame/PersonaQ]]'' also tones down his sue-ness by making him into a calm yet rather strange individual with CloudCuckoolander tendencies and framing his lack of shadow confrontation as a ''bad thing.''



* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4TheGoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West.

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* ShipToShipCombat: ''Hooooo boy.'' Yu has camps for ''all four'' of his female allies, with the bigger contenders being Yukiko and [[spoiler:Naoto]], in addition to a large division of shippers pairing him with [[{{HoYay}} Yosuke]]. [[spoiler:Naoto]] is the most controversial for a slew of reasons that can be found all over this page, further compounded by the fact that [[spoiler:Kanji canonically has a crush on her, naturally leading to Kanji/Naoto going up against Yu/Naoto]]. And with ''Golden'' adding Marie, and with Marie being favored by Atlus in general both in the story (she's now DLC for the upcoming sequel to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and is bumped up to {{Deuteragonist}} for ''Anime/Persona4TheGoldenTheAnimation'') ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'') and as a LoveInterest (she'll ''always'' kiss the MC and love him, even if you don't pursue her romantically), a whole new can of worms has opened up. It's not helped that Marie is extremely divisive in the West.



** Contrarion King's Rampage, which for some reason is many times stronger than the typical Rampage. Brought Tarunda and Resist Physical? Your MC ''might'' survive a single hit of Rampage, though that says nothing for the rest of your party. But if it lands two or three hits you ''will'' die regardless of buffs and resistance. Nothing short of Null Physical can truly protect you, but the only way you will have that at this point in the game is either getting ''relly'' lucky in Shuffle Time or being on a New Game+.

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** Contrarion Contrarian King's Rampage, which for some reason is many times stronger than the typical Rampage. Brought Tarunda and Resist Physical? Your MC ''might'' survive a single hit of Rampage, though that says nothing for the rest of your party. But if it lands two or three hits you ''will'' die regardless of buffs and resistance. Nothing short of Null Physical can truly protect you, but the only way you will have that at this point in the game is either getting ''relly'' ''really'' lucky in Shuffle Time or being on a New Game+.
16th Apr '16 10:14:55 PM anza_sb
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* IdiotPlot: The conflict would have been halfway resolved if the group just showed Dojima they could enter the TV and explain how Personas work, [[CinemaSins nobody who watches surveillance footage for a living notices]] [[spoiler: Adachi attacking people who are already on watch by the police]], the victims would often get kidnapped simply because the heroes let their guards down for a moment, and nobody thinks that after at least the third time they faced a character's Shadow to stop them from denying that it's them, a mistake that still carries over in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena.''

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* IdiotPlot: The conflict would have been halfway resolved if the group just showed Dojima they could enter the TV and explain how Personas work, [[CinemaSins [[WebVideo/CinemaSins nobody who watches surveillance footage for a living notices]] [[spoiler: Adachi attacking people who are already on watch by the police]], the victims would often get kidnapped simply because the heroes let their guards down for a moment, and nobody thinks that after at least the third time they faced a character's Shadow to stop them from denying that it's them, a mistake that still carries over in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena.''
12th Apr '16 4:17:46 PM Eagal
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Any time a guy suffers AmusingInjuries, even when it's not 100% their fault, the girls treat it like they did even when they get their side of the story. In other words, victim blaming.
** Kashiwagi and Hanako embody the fact that if you're unattractive in any form, you deserve to be mocked for it.
3rd Apr '16 12:12:11 PM Lionheart0
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** Marie. For some fans she's a refreshing addition to the game, a good-looking, 'emo' styled {{Tsundere}} with a mysterious past and a decent character who adds a lot to the story and pacing, [[spoiler: Particularly during the "Hollow Forest" segment]]. For others she's rude, clichéd, writes bad poetry, and feels forced upon the player. The polarization started losing steam compared to Yosuke and Adachi, though, and while she still had her non-fans the average user tended to like her more. However, ''Persona 4: The Golden Animation'' reignited the flames and started up the bellows by giving her tons of screentime and focus, even compared to the original members of the Investigation Team.

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** Marie. For some fans she's a refreshing addition to the game, a good-looking, 'emo' styled {{Tsundere}} with a mysterious past and a decent character who adds a lot to the story and pacing, [[spoiler: Particularly during the "Hollow Forest" segment]]. For others she's rude, clichéd, writes bad poetry, and feels forced upon the player. The fact that Marie was given the ImpliedLoveInterest role in the story only increased the debate. The polarization started losing steam compared to Yosuke and Adachi, though, and while she still had her non-fans the average user tended to like her more. However, ''Persona 4: The Golden Animation'' reignited the flames and started up the bellows by giving her tons of screentime and focus, even compared to the original members of the Investigation Team.
27th Mar '16 7:50:47 PM Wuz
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** TakenUpToEleven with the 2013 Persona event, which announced a grand total of four Persona games, three of them P4 related. This event pretty much shattered the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' fandom due to Atlus' focus on P4; for comparison, ''three'' non spin-off games were released since 2000 while Persona had ''five'', counting remakes.

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** TakenUpToEleven Taken UpToEleven with the 2013 Persona event, which announced a grand total of four Persona games, three of them P4 related. This event pretty much shattered the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' fandom due to Atlus' focus on P4; for comparison, ''three'' non spin-off games were released since 2000 while Persona had ''five'', counting remakes.
24th Mar '16 1:23:43 PM Animeking1108
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* DesignatedHero: The girls, especially Chie, often act like Jerk Asses towards the boys. They never get called out on it, and if they do, the boys, especially Yosuke, are treated as in the wrong for calling them out.



* FanonDiscontinuity: The Amagi Inn scene, whether it be because it was a pointless comedy scene, because the girls TookALevelInJerkAss, or [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale because of it basically being a torture porn scene for the guys]], many consider it the worst scene in the game.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: The Amagi Inn scene, whether it be because it was a pointless comedy scene, because the girls TookALevelInJerkAss, or [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale because of it basically being a torture porn scene for the guys]], or taking [[AccidentalPervert what many consider to be one of the most annoying anime cliches]], but somehow make it even worse by having the girls refuse to own up to their mistake, many consider it the worst scene in the game.


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* HypeBacklash: Want to know how beloved this game is? Even [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiller]], one of the most [[CausticCritic jaded internet reviewers]], praised this game. Naturally, this game has to be victim to this trope on that fact alone.


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* {{Misblamed}}: Yukiko is often blamed for the Amagi Inn incident because she forgot the time, but it was Rise who suggested to just keep it a secret.


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** [[spoiler: Adachi]] crossed it when he murdered the first two victims [[spoiler: because they wouldn't put out for him]].
20th Mar '16 7:30:33 PM Animeking1108
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* BrokenAesop: Yosuke, Naoki, and Hisano's Social Links involve them learning to come to terms with the death of a loved one. Those Aesops end up getting derailed when [[spoiler: Nanako comes BackFromTheDead]], preventing the Protagonist from learning that lesson himself.


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** Mr. Morooka. After [[spoiler: his death]] the characters feel sorry for him and the player then learns that he was a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. The problem is that learning about Morooka's PetTheDog moments can be easily missed by players, and at best are an InformedAttribute. Throughout the time [[spoiler: he was alive]], he berated the Protagonist just for breathing in and out, put him on his Shit List for calling him out on it, and [[SpeakIllOfTheDead called Saki a slut at her own memorial]], so it really just makes him seem more like an AssholeVictim.
15th Mar '16 2:35:32 PM Lionheart0
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** Chie is best girl! [[note]]By the time of Person 4 Golden's release, Chie experienced [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff a surge of popularity]] in the West to the point of even getting [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChurchofChie/ An entire sub-reddit]] dedicated to the character.[[/note]]
15th Mar '16 2:34:08 PM Lionheart0
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** Chie is best girl! [[note]]By the time of Person 4 Golden's release, Chie experienced [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff a surge of popularity]] in the West to the point of even getting [[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChurchofChie/ An entire sub-reddit]] dedicated to the character.[[/note]]
14th Mar '16 6:23:31 PM MosquitoMan
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** The team's inability to stop someone from denying their Shadow gets so bad, that by the final time it happens, Kanji even suggests that the party just let it happen, and they'll just have a boss battle like they always do.
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