History YMMV / Persona4

28th Jul '16 1:00:54 AM Anddrix
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** Marie is [[BaseBreaker controversial]] in the American fandom, often compared to Poochie from TheSimpsons, due to her {{tsundere}} personality and somewhat aggressive inclusion in the remake and spinoffs (to the point that ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'' is largely focused on her). However, perhaps because of to [[Creator/KanaHanazawa her seiyuu's]] current popularity, she is much more popular in her native Japan.
** To a lesser degree, Yosuke, who within the western fandom is more of a BaseBreaker and is overshone by Kanji. His tendencies to needle his friends, particularly Kanji, have been interpreted as both sexist and homophobic. He does have a respectable western fanbase but many were surprised to see him win an offical character poll focusing on Persona 4 Golden characters.

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** Marie is [[BaseBreaker [[BaseBreakingCharacter controversial]] in the American fandom, often compared to Poochie from TheSimpsons, due to her {{tsundere}} personality and somewhat aggressive inclusion in the remake and spinoffs (to the point that ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation'' is largely focused on her). However, perhaps because of to [[Creator/KanaHanazawa her seiyuu's]] current popularity, she is much more popular in her native Japan.
** To a lesser degree, Yosuke, who within the western fandom is more of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter and is overshone by Kanji. His tendencies to needle his friends, particularly Kanji, have been interpreted as both sexist and homophobic. He does have a respectable western fanbase but many were surprised to see him win an offical character poll focusing on Persona 4 Golden characters.



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** Sometimes Yosuke's status as ButtMonkey goes too far, especially when it comes to Saki, ''but then'' he also does things like [[MoralDissonance mock Kanji's sexuality]] and [[WhatTheHellHero sign the girls up for a Beauty Pageant against their will.]] Naturally, this makes him something of a BaseBreaker.

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** Sometimes Yosuke's status as ButtMonkey goes too far, especially when it comes to Saki, ''but then'' he also does things like [[MoralDissonance mock Kanji's sexuality]] and [[WhatTheHellHero sign the girls up for a Beauty Pageant against their will.]] Naturally, this makes him something of a BaseBreaker.



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: From a gameplay standpoint, pretty much everything from ''Persona 3'' has been greatly improved and refined and several new features have been added as well. The story is more of a BaseBreaker with the fanbase, however.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: From a gameplay standpoint, pretty much everything from ''Persona 3'' has been greatly improved and refined and several new features have been added as well. The story is more of a BaseBreaker divisive with the fanbase, however.
25th Jul '16 1:47:48 PM Animeking1108
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* EightDeadlyWords: With how often the characters act like Jerk Asses towards each other, that reaction may be inevitable. It doesn't help that most of the Investigation Team's character development occurs within the Social Links, which are possible to incomplete on a first playthrough and would probably depend on how much you like that character.


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** [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/641809-persona-5/72205483 The game is also accused of somehow being offensive to both genders]]. The boys on the Investigation Team are sometimes depicted as [[MenArePerverts perverted misogynists]] and would often be on [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale the receiving end of]] AmusingInjuries. On the other hand, as mentioned above, a recurring joke about Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi is how they're unattractive, the running gag of the girls being [[LethalChef terrible cooks]], and how Chie and Yukiko act disagreeable (for example, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption them knocking Yu down a cliff during the camping trip, no matter what choice he picked]]) can lead to some uncomfortable, casual sexism.
23rd Jul '16 1:05:06 PM ClintRider
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Many of Yosuke's views on gender roles and sexuality don't endear him to western audiences. Given that he consistently suffers LaserGuidedKarma it's likely that the writers meant for Yosuke's attitude to be a character flaw [[CharacterDevelopment that he largely overcomes by the end of the game]]. However, this trope (coined by [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick Lindsay Ellis]] as the "[[http://www.ifc.com/2015/07/hollywood-its-time-to-retire-the-loveable-misogynist-movie-hero Loveable Misogynist]]", still comes with a host of problems all its own, this trope being one of them.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Many of Yosuke's views on gender roles and sexuality don't endear him to western audiences. Given that he consistently suffers LaserGuidedKarma it's likely that the writers meant for Yosuke's attitude to be a character flaw [[CharacterDevelopment that he largely overcomes by the end of the game]]. However, this trope (coined by [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick Lindsay Ellis]] as the "[[http://www.ifc.com/2015/07/hollywood-its-time-to-retire-the-loveable-misogynist-movie-hero Loveable Misogynist]]", still comes with a host of problems all its own, this trope being one of them.
18th Jul '16 3:34:06 AM BigKlingy
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* ItWasHisSled: Naoto's gender. It was actually supposed to be a surprise, but between [[FanPreferredCouple all the fanart pairing a feminized version of herself with the Protagonist or Kanji]] and her American VA's poor job of disguising her gender it couldn't be helped. The secret was much better concealed in Japan, giving Romi Park's long history of voicing young male characters. The spinoffs not concealing this at all don't help matters, either, so at this juncture it's basically not even worth tagging as a spoiler.

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Naoto's gender. It was actually supposed to be a surprise, but between [[FanPreferredCouple all the fanart pairing a feminized version of herself with the Protagonist or Kanji]] and her American VA's poor job of disguising her gender it couldn't be helped. The secret was much better concealed in Japan, giving Romi Park's long history of voicing young male characters. The spinoffs not concealing this at all don't help matters, either, so at this juncture it's basically not even worth tagging as a spoiler.spoiler.
** Teddie's human form also isn't treated as a spoiler these days, and like Naoto spinoffs make no attempt to hide it.
** The murderer's identity has become one of these, mainly due to it being very difficult to discuss the character without revealing this, and the character appearing as a DLC playable fighter in ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' with a moveset that makes no attempt to hide their psychotic nature.
17th Jul '16 8:25:51 AM Valiona
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** The Temperance social link. While it's available relatively early on and the Understanding requirements are relatively low, it's quite slow to advance. You don't even establish the link until your second day on the job, most of the rank-ups require holdover visits (partly because in some of the events, none of the questions give points), and there's no way for you to spend time with Eri at night.
12th Jul '16 3:45:45 AM TwilightLord
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** [[spoiler:Izanami-no-Okami]] has Summons to Yomi, which instantly kills any party member with any kind of status effect. She also has several status effect-inflicting spells. And she gets two attacks in a row. If she puts a status on the main character and then uses Summons to Yomi, you're basically screwed with no way to prevent it.
6th Jul '16 9:15:38 PM VeryMelon
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* MartyStu: Yu, though perhaps intentionally so. Persona 4 allows the player to potentially become this insanely talented, ultra likeable all-star of a student. When Yu transitioned from being an audience surrogate to an actual character, his character was essentially an amalgamation of player experiences. He ended up inheriting all the traits that made him (ie: you and other players) awesome, thus turning him into a "Mr. Perfect" type character. The anime rectifies this significantly by giving him flaws and having him undergo an actual character arc. ''VideoGame/PersonaQ'' also tones down his sue-ness by making him into a calm yet rather strange individual with CloudCuckoolander tendencies and having him admit that unlike his friends, who draw strength from confronting their weaknesses, [[ThePowerOfFriendship he relies on his friends as a source of power]].
6th Jul '16 8:58:28 PM VeryMelon
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** "Naoto is Transsexual" has become a popular topic of debate and interpretation. Note that, [[AmbiguouslyGay unlike with Kanji]], [[WholesomeCrossdresser this aspect was actually unintentional]]. The new Naoto spinoff, [[spoiler:and additional story elements for ''Golden'']] [[ShesAllGrownUp have jossed this theory entirely]], as she's shown to [[GirlinessUpgrade give a try to embracing her feminine side.]]

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** "Naoto is Transsexual" has become a popular topic of debate and interpretation. Note that, [[AmbiguouslyGay unlike with Kanji]], [[WholesomeCrossdresser this aspect was actually unintentional]]. The new non-canon Naoto spinoff, [[spoiler:and additional story elements for ''Golden'']] [[ShesAllGrownUp have jossed this theory entirely]], as she's shown to [[GirlinessUpgrade give a try to embracing her feminine side.]]
5th Jul '16 12:51:42 AM drac0blade
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** The strange eye symbol that can appear on a party member's status screen. Whilst it was [[http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/hr8sy9/pop-fiction-episode-41--persona-4--yosuke-s-eye eventually revealed to just be a glitch and had no effect on gameplay]], just ''what'' it was meant to do before the mechanic was removed from''Persona 4'' is unclear and has never been explained by anyone, with Atlus being reluctant to even admit to it being a glitch - something they only did in 2013, a full half-decade after the game was released.

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** The strange eye symbol that can appear on a party member's status screen. Whilst it was [[http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/hr8sy9/pop-fiction-episode-41--persona-4--yosuke-s-eye eventually revealed to just be a glitch and had no effect on gameplay]], just ''what'' it was meant to do before the mechanic was removed from''Persona from ''Persona 4'' is unclear and has never been explained by anyone, with Atlus being reluctant to even admit to it being a glitch - something they only did in 2013, a full half-decade after the game was released.
5th Jul '16 12:42:30 AM drac0blade
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** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. Some fans of the game like them because they add levity to the plot, allow for more character interaction in the downtime, and are fans of the humor involved. The problems other people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times (The Amagi Inn and Camping Trip scenesfor example), [[{{Padding}} they sometimes drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).

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** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. Some fans of the game like them because they add levity to the plot, allow for more character interaction in the downtime, and are fans of the humor involved. The problems other people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times (The Amagi Inn and Camping Trip scenesfor scenes for example), [[{{Padding}} they sometimes drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).
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