History YMMV / Persona4

4th Dec '16 6:06:59 AM Ominae
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** Aspects of the game like the dialog box and the weather indicator are splicted to videos [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi5C3JVlFY like this]].
3rd Dec '16 11:10:11 AM Valiona
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** What was the most relevant reason behind Naoto's dismissal from the police investigation? Was it because as a female and a teenager, the police didn't take her suggestions seriously and resented the implication that they needed her help? Was it because Naoto's sometimes abrasive personality didn't win her many favors with the others? Or was it perhaps because the police, having arrested a juvenile as a suspect in the case, weren't willing to admit that they were wrong?



** Teddie's sudden burst of power allowing him to [[spoiler:take down shadow Rise (and that despite the fact that she was scanning them specifically to avoid their attacks)]] was neither explained, foreshadowed nor mentioned again afterwards.

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** Teddie's sudden burst of power allowing him to [[spoiler:take down shadow Shadow Rise (and that despite the fact that she was scanning them specifically to avoid their attacks)]] was neither explained, foreshadowed nor mentioned again afterwards.



** Rise. Her personality and character arc are fairly well-liked, but she does get some flack for her AnnoyingVideoGameHelper status, and from people who may not like how she constantly flirts with the player character even if you're in a relationship with someone else (considering that she joins midway through the game, it's entirely possible to get into a relationship with someone else by then).



** The Intrepid Knight in Heaven. Nulls both Hama and Mudo skills, and resists both Almighty and Physical. But at least it has a Lighting Weakness, right? Nope; it takes ''less'' damage from electric attacks, and since it resists Almighty, All Out Attacks are pointless. Throw in the fact it's got Power Charge (the boosts its next attack 250%) and the very strong Virus Wave (that hits all party members and may poison them), this guy is a pain in the ass even in a NewGamePlus. In Golden, it's even worse, as the Virus Wave is replaced with Blight--basically the same thing, just stronger. Cementing this is that all of its resistances are the ones that can't be broken with a spell.
** The Noble Seeker in [[spoiler: Magatsu Mandala]]. Previously a pushover, as of ''Golden'' it's a nightmare. It has no weaknesses and repels physical attacks, meaning it's impossible to knock it down. It's magic stat is a ''little bit'' monstrous, it's health and SP have been improved, and it possesses Galgalim Eyes (HP to 1, inflicts enervation).

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** The Intrepid Knight in Heaven. Nulls both Hama and Mudo skills, and resists both Almighty and Physical. But at least it has a Lighting Weakness, right? Nope; it takes ''less'' damage from electric attacks, and since it resists Almighty, [[InfinityPlusOneElement Almighty]], All Out Attacks are pointless. Throw in the fact it's got Power Charge (the boosts its next attack 250%) and the very strong Virus Wave (that hits all party members and may poison them), this guy is a pain in the ass even in a NewGamePlus. In Golden, it's even worse, as the Virus Wave is replaced with Blight--basically the same thing, just stronger. Cementing this is that all of its resistances are the ones that can't be broken with a spell.
** The Noble Seeker in [[spoiler: Magatsu Mandala]]. Previously a pushover, as of ''Golden'' it's a nightmare. It has no weaknesses and repels physical attacks, meaning it's impossible to knock it down. It's Its magic stat is a ''little bit'' monstrous, it's its health and SP have been improved, and it possesses Galgalim Eyes (HP to 1, inflicts enervation).enervation).
** The Minotaurs from the same dungeon as the above hit hard, have lots of health, possess powerful skills like Diarahan(single-target full heal) and have a fair number of resistances.
%* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Many of Yosuke's views on gender roles and sexuality don't endear him to western audiences. Given that he consistently suffers LaserGuidedKarma it's likely that the writers meant for Yosuke's attitude to be a character flaw [[CharacterDevelopment that he largely overcomes by the end of the game]].



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Many of Yosuke's views on gender roles and sexuality don't endear him to western audiences. Given that he consistently suffers LaserGuidedKarma it's likely that the writers meant for Yosuke's attitude to be a character flaw [[CharacterDevelopment that he largely overcomes by the end of the game]].



** Spell Master halves the SP cost of all skills that use it. This is quite useful in the Hollow Forest, in which if you have a Persona with that ability, you can essentially throw around high-level spells while your accessory recoups the cost.



* TakeThatScrappy: One is done at the ScrappyMechanic from the third game, in which you could only control your main character. Shortly before the fight with Shadow Chie, Teddie will contact you and suggest that you switch Yosuke to manual control if you haven't already, because "Compared to you, Yosuke stinks" at fighting. Yosuke, while annoyed to hear that from Teddie, concedes that Teddie has a point, and asks you to control him. Considering that Shadow Chie frequently targets Yosuke's weakness, you'd do well to take their advice.



** [[spoiler:Izanami-no-Okami]] has Summons to Yomi, which instantly kills any party member with any kind of status effect. She also has several status effect-inflicting spells. And she gets two attacks in a row. If she puts a status on the main character and then uses Summons to Yomi, you're basically screwed with no way to prevent it. It's telegraphed by Mind Charge, but it's still deadly to those who aren't prepared.

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** [[spoiler:Shadow Mitsuo]] also has the combo of Evil Smile (which inflicts Fear on everyone and Ghastly Wail, which kills everyone with Fear. If he puts Fear on everyone, he's essentially already won.
** [[spoiler:Izanami-no-Okami]] has Summons to Yomi, which instantly kills any party member with any kind of status effect. She also has several status effect-inflicting spells. And she gets two attacks in a row. If she puts a status on the main character and then uses Summons to Yomi, you're basically screwed with no way to prevent it. It's The World End and Summons to Yomi combo she uses later in the fight telegraphed by Mind Charge, but it's still deadly to those who aren't prepared.



** Dojima has earned some ire from the Western fanbase for often leaving 6-year-old Nanako home alone, even while a serial killer is on the loose [[spoiler: and after their household receives a threatening letter]]. It's not illegal and not even particularly uncommon for young children to be left home alone in Japan; while the game does portray Dojima as a less than stellar parent (more for distancing himself from Nanako than for not being home), this aspect was likely not intended to come off as harshly as it did. It's also pointed out that Nanako knows not to open the door for strangers, [[spoiler:which provides an important clue as to hr kidnapper's identity]].

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** Dojima has earned some ire from the Western fanbase for often leaving 6-year-old 7-year-old Nanako home alone, even while a serial killer is on the loose [[spoiler: and after their household receives a threatening letter]]. It's not illegal and not even particularly uncommon for young children to be left home alone in Japan; while the game does portray Dojima as a less than stellar parent (more for distancing himself from Nanako than for not being home), this aspect was likely not intended to come off as harshly as it did. It's also pointed out that Nanako knows not to open the door for strangers, [[spoiler:which provides an important clue as to hr her kidnapper's identity]].



** The surviving members of the Konishi family deserve a mention. Naoki was hit hard by his sister's passing, to the point at which he'd rather pretend that he doesn't feel anything than face the full brunt of it. His problem isn't helped by how his parents aren't taking it any better, since according to him, they don't talk about her, but cry themselves to sleep over her. To make matters worse, his family business is going through some hard times after Junes' arrival, and he's painfully aware that many of their customers only come out of pity.



** You get to engage in some Woolseyfication of your own if you take the part-time job as a translator. You'll often be asked about how you want to translate something culture-specific, like idioms or children's speech patterns, and basically have two options -- [[BlindIdiotTranslation do it literally]], or creatively improvise. [[{{Anvilicious}} You have a chance to get paid much better if you improvise]] (assuming you don't [[{{Macekre}} screw it up]]).

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** You get to engage in some Woolseyfication of your own if you take the part-time job as a translator. You'll often be asked about how you want to translate something culture-specific, like idioms or children's speech patterns, and basically have two options -- [[BlindIdiotTranslation do it literally]], or creatively improvise. [[{{Anvilicious}} You have a chance to get paid much better if you improvise]] (assuming you don't [[{{Macekre}} screw it up]]).up]]), one of the "double or nothing" opportunities that determine how much you get paid.
29th Nov '16 1:30:25 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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** The Investigation Team never has to confront the fact that not everyone is a good person deep down, despite both [[spoiler:Mitsuo and Adachi]] having their true selves be negative. The latter in particular, since while he ''does'' reform in a later game, he wants nothing more than to murder people for the simple reason of being bored. Having to confront that someone being themself instead of hiding it will result in people dying is never brought up.
4th Nov '16 10:31:45 AM DarthHowie
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** Whether Tracy Rooney (P4 on PS2) or Erin Fitzgerald (everything else) was a better voice for Chie.
19th Oct '16 5:22:47 PM Valiona
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** During Rise's Social Link, you frequently hear about her rival idol, Kanamin, such as from a group of people who say that Kanamin's true to herself, unlike Risette. In ''Dancing All Night'', it turns out that Kanamin's main appeal is her manufactured character, and in terms of appearance and personality, the difference between Kanamin and the "real" Kanami is perhaps even larger than the difference between Risette and the "real" Rise. Similarly, Nanako says that she tells all her friends that "Rise-chan's way better" than Kanamin, but ends up bonding with Kanami during Kanami's B-plot.
6th Oct '16 10:27:21 PM keyblade333
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** Early in development, '''[[spoiler: Dojima was originally going to have been the killer]]'''. Some people felt like him being the killer makes a lot more sense. He'd have a good motive (maybe he believed that the first victim [[spoiler: potentially killed his wife]]), and some of his more questionable behavior throughout the game (like being quick to [[spoiler: distrust Yu]] was actually him trying to get him out of the way and [[spoiler: leaving Nanako home alone]] because he didn't take [[spoiler: Namatame]] into account), and the player got to know him better than the real killer. Combine that with [[spoiler: Adachi's rather flimsy motive]], it makes you wonder just how late in development the change was made.



** Golden does this to Chie because despite keeping her GlassCannon set up with her God Hand and Power Charge combo, she gains only Critical Hit increase buffs, unlike Kanji who gets Power Charge and Regenerate 3. This means that Kanji will still out-do her in physical damage, and Teddie will do more damage with his [[AnIcePerson Bufu]] skills. The mid-game slowdown that plagues her skillset also is not well liked, and is so well-known that Google and Bing searches on her turn up "chie black spot phase" with people complaining that she gets no heavy-hitting moves.

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** Golden does this to Chie because despite keeping her GlassCannon set up setup with her God Hand and Power Charge combo, Charge, she gains only Critical Hit increase buffs, unlike Kanji who gets Power Charge and Regenerate 3. This means that Kanji will still out-do her in physical damage, and Teddie will do more damage with his [[AnIcePerson Bufu]] skills. The mid-game slowdown that plagues her skillset also is not well liked, and is so well-known that Google and Bing searches on her turn up "chie black spot phase" with people complaining that she gets no heavy-hitting moves.moves.
** In Golden Yosuke falls here due to the changes made to all the characters. Unlike most characters, Yosuke received very little changes from the original game aside from some very minor buffing and debuffing skills, which, given the buffs made to Teddie and Kanji, prevent Yosuke from catching up at end game. Since he's a JackOfAllTrades, which was his biggest strength in the base game, this means his use in the party is better used by someone else, like Naoto or Teddie.
28th Sep '16 4:19:54 PM Valiona
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* AcceptableTargets: [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]]. Morooka, Kashiwagi (while not exactly ugly in the eyes of fans, is still treated as such by the characters), Hanako, and Kubo are unattractive, and they're all [[JerkAss Jerk asses]].

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* AcceptableTargets: [[{{Gonk}} Gonks]]. Morooka, Kashiwagi (while not exactly ugly in the eyes of fans, is still treated as such by the characters), Hanako, and Kubo are unattractive, and they're all [[JerkAss Jerk asses]]. By comparison, though, Igor, while unattractive, is quite helpful to the player, and so is the old woman in charge of the Shiroku pub.



** Tanaka [[spoiler:selling gas masks and medical kits during the fog]]. Is he filling a need in a difficult time, or trying to profit off people's panic?



* DesignatedHero: The girls, especially Chie, often act like Jerk Asses towards the boys. They never get called out on it, and if they do, the boys, especially Yosuke, are treated as in the wrong for calling them out.



** Naoto initially comes off as an InsufferableGenius, and some people find it hard to forgive her for that. While Naoto does sometimes exhibit those qualities (calling the investigation a "game" for the main characters), it's implied that some of the police who dislike her are influenced by how 1)[[JustAKid she's a lot younger than they are]], 2)[[StayInTheKitchen she's a girl]], and 3)they don't want to admit that the young suspect that they arrested isn't actually the culprit for the first two murders.



** [[spoiler:Izanami-no-Okami]] has Summons to Yomi, which instantly kills any party member with any kind of status effect. She also has several status effect-inflicting spells. And she gets two attacks in a row. If she puts a status on the main character and then uses Summons to Yomi, you're basically screwed with no way to prevent it.

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** [[spoiler:Izanami-no-Okami]] has Summons to Yomi, which instantly kills any party member with any kind of status effect. She also has several status effect-inflicting spells. And she gets two attacks in a row. If she puts a status on the main character and then uses Summons to Yomi, you're basically screwed with no way to prevent it. It's telegraphed by Mind Charge, but it's still deadly to those who aren't prepared.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Dojima can come off as this due to his behavior at the end of the game, which doesn't change regardless of whether his social link is completed. When someone [[spoiler: sends a threatening letter to the Dojima residence]], he is rather quick to distrust the Protagonist, so he takes him to the station to interrogate him. Six-year-old Nanako is left home alone after the threatening letter is received, and gets kidnapped, resulting in her ending up in a life-threatening coma.]] Not once is Dojima ever called out for his shortsightedness. Sure, he's devastated, but [[NeverMyFault but he never once thinks that part of the incident may be his fault]].
** The girls during the Amagi Inn incident where Yukiko got the times for the hot springs wrong, resulting in the guys accidentally walking in on the girls bathing, to which the girls respond by inflicting AmusingInjuries.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
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UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dojima can come off as this due to his behavior at the end of late in the game, which doesn't change regardless of whether his social link is completed. When someone [[spoiler: sends a threatening letter to the Dojima residence]], he is rather quick to distrust the Protagonist, so he takes him to the station to interrogate him. Six-year-old Nanako is left home alone after the threatening letter is received, and gets kidnapped, resulting in her ending up in a life-threatening coma.]] Not once is Dojima ever called out for his shortsightedness. Sure, he's devastated, but [[NeverMyFault but he never once thinks that part of the incident may be his fault]].
** The girls during the Amagi Inn incident where Yukiko got the times for the hot springs wrong, resulting in the guys accidentally walking in on the girls bathing, to which the girls respond by inflicting AmusingInjuries.
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** Dojima has earned some ire from the Western fanbase for often leaving 6-year-old Nanako home alone, even while a serial killer is on the loose [[spoiler: and after their household receives a threatening letter]]. It's not illegal and not even particularly uncommon for young children to be left home alone in Japan; while the game does criticize Dojima's bad parenting, this aspect was likely not intended to come off as harshly as it did.

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** Dojima has earned some ire from the Western fanbase for often leaving 6-year-old Nanako home alone, even while a serial killer is on the loose [[spoiler: and after their household receives a threatening letter]]. It's not illegal and not even particularly uncommon for young children to be left home alone in Japan; while the game does criticize Dojima's bad parenting, portray Dojima as a less than stellar parent (more for distancing himself from Nanako than for not being home), this aspect was likely not intended to come off as harshly as it did.did. It's also pointed out that Nanako knows not to open the door for strangers, [[spoiler:which provides an important clue as to hr kidnapper's identity]].
27th Sep '16 9:31:00 PM 9thOutworldsMan
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** Did Saki really [[spoiler: hate Yosuke]]? As the battles with shadows have shown, they are an exaggeration of the character's true self rather than their true embodiment, such as Kanji being CampGay, Rise being promiscuous, and Chie resenting Yukiko. It's possible that Saki [[spoiler: hating Yosuke]] was just an exaggeration of her frustration with her situation (working for Junes when the department store is taking business from her family's liquor shop) or was present in a mild sense and exaggerated by her shadow, like Chie's resentment of Yukiko, likely also being a source of shame for her. [[spoiler: This is supported by the fact that the only time Saki is portrayed as hateful towards Yosuke is her Shadow Self's lingering thoughts, and of course she'd be freaked out by a rambling weirdo saying she'll die and a police officer who is leering at her, so her reactions to them are justified. The one scene she has with Yosuke she legitimately seems worried about him making friends due to being both new in town and the son of the manager of Junes. And since she is being pressured herself about the latter both at home and by strangers, it's just as likely that she actually means what she says about Yu looking after Yosuke. Alternatively, it was all an illusion by Yosuke's shadow, representing what Yosuke feared she thought of him.]]

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** Did Saki really [[spoiler: hate [[spoiler:hate Yosuke]]? As the battles with shadows have shown, they are an exaggeration of the character's true self rather than their true embodiment, such as Kanji being CampGay, Rise being promiscuous, and Chie resenting Yukiko. It's possible that Saki [[spoiler: hating [[spoiler:hating Yosuke]] was just an exaggeration of her frustration with her situation (working for Junes when the department store is taking business from her family's liquor shop) or was present in a mild sense and exaggerated by her shadow, like Chie's resentment of Yukiko, likely also being a source of shame for her. [[spoiler: This [[spoiler:This is supported by the fact that the only time Saki is portrayed as hateful towards Yosuke is her Shadow Self's lingering thoughts, and of course she'd be freaked out by a rambling weirdo saying she'll die and a police officer who is leering at her, so her reactions to them are justified. The one scene she has with Yosuke she legitimately seems worried about him making friends due to being both new in town and the son of the manager of Junes. And since she is being pressured herself about the latter both at home and by strangers, it's just as likely that she actually means what she says about Yu looking after Yosuke. Alternatively, it was all an illusion by Yosuke's shadow, representing what Yosuke feared she thought of him.]]



** To a lesser degree, Yosuke, who within the western fandom is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter and is overshone by Kanji. His tendencies to needle his friends, particularly Kanji, have been interpreted as both sexist and homophobic. He does have a respectable western fanbase but many were surprised to see him win an official character poll focusing on Persona 4 Golden characters.

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** To a lesser degree, Yosuke, who within the western fandom is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter and is overshone overshadowed by Kanji. His tendencies to needle his friends, particularly Kanji, have been interpreted as both sexist and homophobic. He does have a respectable western fanbase but many were surprised to see him win an official character poll focusing on Persona 4 Golden characters.
27th Sep '16 9:28:37 PM 9thOutworldsMan
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** Outside of the protagonist, Chie is usually paired with either [[PairTheSpares Yosuke]] or [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship Yukiko]]. It helps that Chie has a lot of blatant LesYay with the later, particularly in the anime.

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** Outside of the protagonist, Chie is usually paired with either [[PairTheSpares Yosuke]] or [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship Yukiko]]. It helps that Chie has a lot something of blatant LesYay a BelligerentSexualTension going on with the later, former and LesYay vibes with the latter, particularly in the anime.
3rd Sep '16 3:18:14 PM Animeking1108
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* InformedWrongness: Kashiwagi is often treated like she's worse than Morooka when her worst crime was getting jealous of Rise. Even flirting with her students would at worst get her fired since her students are well-within the age of consent.


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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Ms. Kashiwagi. While she's not exactly a saint, her students treat her like she's worse than Mr. Morooka. To put it in perspective, Morooka regularly berated his students, often complained about modern society despite getting drunk during a class trip, and made an incredibly disrespectful comment about Saki at her own memorial service. Kashiwagi's worst crime was being unattractive ([[HollywoodHomely even though she looks like she jumped out of a hentai]]) and act jealous towards Rise (or any student more attractive than her). Her envy could easily blamed on how she's often berated for her looks, where as Morooka didn't have a reason to act like a dick.
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