History YMMV / Persona4

23rd Apr '18 9:07:59 AM miraculous
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* BrokenAesop: Yosuke's character arc became this in hindsight after the spinoffs. One of the biggest points of his story arc is that it is ok to be normal and that seeking out trouble isn't the way to make your life better. Because Atlus treats spinoffs as canon to the Persona timeline, Yosuke has fought to save the world four times (one he doesn't remember) and [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCrossTagBattle recently he's even jumped to other universes to face off against other kinds of supernatural danger]].
23rd Apr '18 9:07:29 AM miraculous
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23rd Apr '18 9:05:21 AM miraculous
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** Social Links with party members wound up being surprisingly divisive. On one hand, the majority of players appreciate the fact they can choose to spend more time with their favorite characters and get more CharacterDevelopment, coming to terms with the issues in their lives that gave rise to their Shadows. On the other hand, detractors claim that it results in characters' development being at best stuck to the Social Link and at worst superficial and flat, as any development has to be able to fit in at any point in the game's story, leading to StatusQuoIsGod. There is very little middle ground. Persona 5 repeated this problem with most fans agreeing that the writing was even worse than Persona 4 for a few of the confidants, causing a lot of heat to be thrown back at this game for using that setup.
23rd Apr '18 9:03:44 AM miraculous
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** There is a divide between fans of the original Persona 4 dub cast and fans of the various replacements for that cast made over the course of the newer Persona 4 related releases. The first camp dislike the replacements and wanted the original cast back, the second camp likes the replacements and understands why those recasts were made.
** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. Some fans of the game like them because they add levity to the plot, allow for more character interaction in the downtime, and are fans of the humor involved. The problems other people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times (The Amagi Inn and Camping Trip scenes for example), [[{{Padding}} they sometimes drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]).

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** There is a divide between fans of the original Persona 4 dub cast and fans of the various replacements for that cast made over the course of the newer Persona 4 related releases. The first camp dislike the replacements and wanted the original cast back, the second camp likes the replacements and understands why those recasts were made.
** In general, the comedy scenes in the game are divisive. Some fans of the game like them because they add levity to the plot, allow for more character interaction in the downtime, and are fans of the humor involved. The problems other people have with them is that they can be very [[DudeNotFunny mean spirited]] at times (The Amagi Inn and Camping Trip scenes for example), [[{{Padding}} they sometimes drag on for 20-40 minutes]] (particularly with the camping scene and the school festival leading into the Amagi Inn scene), and that they provide a lot of MoodWhiplash (like Yosuke announcing that he needs to pee during the tense scene of when they discover the TV World and Rise's comedic crying when [[spoiler: the Protagonist goes home at the end]]). This also factors into another issue which is the girls' treatment towards the boys (particularly, Chie to Yosuke). Are they hilarious, or are they ''Manga/LoveHina''-levels of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale?



** Whether or not the game's story and characters blatantly rehash ''Persona 3's''. While there are similarities that some fans can agree on (Yosuke being similar to Junpei, for example), there are several points of disagreement as well (4 having a very different story than 3, for example).
** Whether Tracy Rooney ([=P4=] on [=PS2=]) or Erin Fitzgerald (everything else) was a better voice for Chie.
** The girls' treatment towards the boys (particularly, Chie to Yosuke). Are they hilarious, or are they ''Manga/LoveHina''-levels of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale?
23rd Apr '18 8:59:55 AM miraculous
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** [[spoiler: Adachi]] being the killer, particularly in the original [=PS2=] version, as he was the only major character that didn't have a Social Link, much like [[spoiler: Ikutsuki]] in ''Persona 3.'' ''Golden'' subverts this by giving him a Social Link, but with a non-existent Arcana.



* ShockingSwerve: The revelation of [[spoiler:Adachi]] as the true murderer comes as a big shock to some players. You either had to pay incredibly close attention to every bit of their dialog, or use a process of elimination when given a list of suspects and go from there. [[spoiler:While your list of suspects isn't terribly hard to eliminate (i.e. it can't be a party member, a social link, or the guy you just proved innocent), the revelation itself is barely hinted at. In ''Golden'', Adachi ''is'' a Social Link, but [[InterfaceSpoiler will only move past Rank 6 at story mandated points, which could clue the player in on there being more to Adachi than at first glance.]]]]
19th Apr '18 9:58:58 PM InsanePryomanic
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** This was intentionally smashed to pieces by Atlus' writing staff in the sequel because they realized this happened.

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** This accidental Aesop was intentionally smashed to pieces by Atlus' writing staff in and made the sequel main theme of the plot for [[VideoGame/Persona5 the sequel]] because they realized this happened.
19th Apr '18 9:51:33 PM InsanePryomanic
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** Social Links with party members wound up being surprisingly divisive. On one hand, the majority of players appreciate the fact they can choose to spend more time with their favorite characters and get more CharacterDevelopment, coming to terms with the issues in their lives that gave rise to their Shadows. On the other hand, detractors claim that it results in characters' development being at best stuck to the Social Link and at worst superficial and flat, as any development has to be able to fit in at any point in the game's story, leading to StatusQuoIsGod. There is very little middle ground.

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** Social Links with party members wound up being surprisingly divisive. On one hand, the majority of players appreciate the fact they can choose to spend more time with their favorite characters and get more CharacterDevelopment, coming to terms with the issues in their lives that gave rise to their Shadows. On the other hand, detractors claim that it results in characters' development being at best stuck to the Social Link and at worst superficial and flat, as any development has to be able to fit in at any point in the game's story, leading to StatusQuoIsGod. There is very little middle ground. Persona 5 repeated this problem with most fans agreeing that the writing was even worse than Persona 4 for a few of the confidants, causing a lot of heat to be thrown back at this game for using that setup.
19th Apr '18 9:48:57 PM InsanePryomanic
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** The reveal that Yosuke was originally planned to be a GayOption but was removed from the game very close to release for unknown reasons was discovered by data mining opened an enormous can of worms with the fanbase. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement That sheer amount of controversy that caused is probably better not discussed on this site]].
19th Apr '18 9:43:13 PM InsanePryomanic
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* BrokenAesop: Yosuke's character arc became this in hindsight after the spinoffs. One of the biggest points of his story arc is that it is ok to be normal and that seeking out trouble isn't the way to make your life better. Because Atlus treats spinoffs as canon to the Persona timeline, Yosuke has fought to save the world four times (one he doesn't remember) and [[VideoGame/BlazBlueCrossTagBattle recently he's even jumped to other universes to face off against other kinds of supernatural danger]].
19th Apr '18 9:37:41 PM InsanePryomanic
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** This was intentionally smashed to pieces by Atlus' writing staff in the sequel because they realized this happened.
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