History YMMV / PepeLePew

19th Mar '17 9:54:52 AM NWolfman
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: In this day and age, Pepe is hated by MoralGuardians and some fans due to ValuesDissonance and his shorts being formulaic. Those who don't hate Pepe see him as an EnsembleDarkhorse because the values dissonance of his cartoons presumably represent how free and audacious cartoons were back then compared to the ones made now.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: In this day and age, Pepe is hated by MoralGuardians and some fans due to ValuesDissonance and his shorts being formulaic. Those who don't hate Pepe see him as an EnsembleDarkhorse because the values dissonance of his cartoons presumably represent how free and audacious [[TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation Golden Age]] cartoons were back then compared to the ones made now.were.
19th Mar '17 9:49:51 AM NWolfman
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* FairForItsDay: Yes, Pepe is a shameless womanizer who's aggressive flirting is perhaps more "rapey" than his creators intended for it to be, but he's never glorified for it. We ''don't'' want to see him win.



* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and fans are quick to point out how the WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures gender-flipped version not only [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]], but is still one of the most popular characters.

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* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, is a common fan response to people who accuse the writers didn't think of cartoons for glorifying sexual assault, something Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese most likely weren't considering when the implications at originally produced the time, and cartoons. Other fans are quick to point out how the WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures gender-flipped version not only [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]], but is still one of the most popular characters.



* ValuesResonance: Pepe's actions may seem less charming today, but we were never really expected to root for him.
20th Feb '17 8:00:55 AM NWolfman
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* ValuesDissonance: Not only do these cartoons perpetuate the (now long-dead) stereotype that French men are womanizers who never bathe, but Pepe himself is hardly seen as charmingly naïve in the 21st century and more of a stalker-cum-rapist, and there have been a number of fanart in which Pepe is slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit for the exact same kind of "romance" he attempted in the 1940s.
There are fans who like him more as an adult [[CrossesTheLineTwice once they realize how politically incorrect the concept is]], however.

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* ValuesDissonance: Not only do these cartoons perpetuate the (now long-dead) stereotype that French men are womanizers who never bathe, but Pepe himself is hardly seen as charmingly naïve in the 21st century and more of a stalker-cum-rapist, and there have been a number of fanart in which Pepe is slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit for the exact same kind of "romance" he attempted in the 1940s.
1940s. There are fans who like him more as an adult [[CrossesTheLineTwice once they realize how politically incorrect the concept is]], however.
20th Feb '17 8:00:40 AM NWolfman
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Depending on if you view him as a "villain" at least. Generally, most of his fans either portray him as a lonely [[TheWoobie woobie]] who just wants love because most living beings are terrified of skunks or a clueless nitwit who doesn't realize his actions could be seen as terrible. [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Or both]].

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Depending on if you view him as a "villain" at least. Generally, most of his fans either portray him as a lonely [[TheWoobie woobie]] who just wants love because most living beings are terrified of skunks or a clueless nitwit who doesn't realize his actions could be seen as terrible.he's committing sexual harassment. [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Or both]].



* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend to point out how the WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures gender-flipped version [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].
* ValuesDissonance: Egads, these cartoons haven't aged well (in terms of moral values) since the 1940s. In this day and age, Pepe would totally be branded a stalker-cum-rapist (this was lampshaded on Creator/DaveChappelle's infamous bit on ''Killing Them Softly'' about how most TV shows you watched as a child have a dark side to them when you grow up). On the flipside of this, there are some Looney Tunes fans who enjoy the Pepe cartoons more when they're older thanks to this interesting bit of Values Dissonance.
** Probly best represented with a bit of fan art from the late 1990s, where Pepe is hugging a resisting Penelope, whereupon he receives a sexual harassment lawsuit notice from a human lawyer.
** ValuesResonance: We were never exactly expected to root for him in the first place.

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* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend fans are quick to point out how the WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures gender-flipped version version not only [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].
complaints]], but is still one of the most popular characters.
* ValuesDissonance: Egads, Not only do these cartoons haven't aged well (in terms of moral values) since perpetuate the 1940s. In this day and age, (now long-dead) stereotype that French men are womanizers who never bathe, but Pepe would totally be branded a stalker-cum-rapist (this was lampshaded on Creator/DaveChappelle's infamous bit on ''Killing Them Softly'' about how most TV shows you watched himself is hardly seen as a child have a dark side to them when you grow up). On charmingly naïve in the flipside 21st century and more of this, a stalker-cum-rapist, and there are some Looney Tunes fans who enjoy the Pepe cartoons more when they're older thanks to this interesting bit have been a number of Values Dissonance.
** Probly best represented with a bit of fan art from the late 1990s, where
fanart in which Pepe is hugging a resisting Penelope, whereupon he receives slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit notice from a human lawyer.
**
for the exact same kind of "romance" he attempted in the 1940s.
There are fans who like him more as an adult [[CrossesTheLineTwice once they realize how politically incorrect the concept is]], however.
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ValuesResonance: We Pepe's actions may seem less charming today, but we were never exactly really expected to root for him in the first place.him.
20th Feb '17 7:49:03 AM NWolfman
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** ValuesResonance: We were never exactly expected to root for him in the first place.
29th Jan '17 10:52:35 AM TomServo3000
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* MemeticMolester: If you look like a female skunk, Pepe ''will'' repeatedly kiss you, come hell or high water.

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* MemeticMolester: If you look like a female skunk, Pepe ''will'' repeatedly kiss you, come hell or high water.
28th Jul '16 12:54:56 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: In this day and age, Pepe is hated by MoralGuardians and some fans due to ValuesDissonance and his shorts being formulaic. Those who don't hate Pepe see him as an EnsembleDarkhorse because the values dissonance of his cartoons presumably represent how free and audacious cartoons were back then compared to the ones made now.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: In this day and age, Pepe is hated by MoralGuardians and some fans due to ValuesDissonance and his shorts being formulaic. Those who don't hate Pepe see him as an EnsembleDarkhorse because the values dissonance of his cartoons presumably represent how free and audacious cartoons were back then compared to the ones made now.



* UnfortunateImplications: PlayedForLaughs, but considering Penelope's very panicked reaction to Pepe's unwanted advances, his cartoons are a little uncomfortable to watch.
27th Jul '16 5:43:40 AM dotchan
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%%* MemeticMolester: See below
* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend to point out how [[WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures the gender-flipped version]] [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].

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%%* * MemeticMolester: See below
If you look like a female skunk, Pepe ''will'' repeatedly kiss you, come hell or high water.
* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend to point out how [[WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures the WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures gender-flipped version]] version [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].complaints]].
* UnfortunateImplications: PlayedForLaughs, but considering Penelope's very panicked reaction to Pepe's unwanted advances, his cartoons are a little uncomfortable to watch.
22nd Mar '16 6:03:35 PM TokoWH
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Added DiffLines:

* DracoInLeatherPants: Depending on if you view him as a "villain" at least. Generally, most of his fans either portray him as a lonely [[TheWoobie woobie]] who just wants love because most living beings are terrified of skunks or a clueless nitwit who doesn't realize his actions could be seen as terrible. [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Or both]].
22nd Mar '16 5:44:59 PM TokoWH
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* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend to point out how [[WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventure the gender flipped version]] [[DoubleStandRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].

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* MST3KMantra: Generally, most of the people who like his shorts usually respond to those who hate it as something like "It's a cartoon about a talking french skunk. Calm down." Chances are, the writers didn't think of the implications at the time, and they also tend to point out how [[WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventure [[WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures the gender flipped gender-flipped version]] [[DoubleStandRapeFemaleOnMale [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale doesn't get nearly as much complaints]].
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