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14th Jul '17 1:01:47 AM thisisacat
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*** Some argue that it is no worse than the normal summoner or a CoDzilla, it just interacts with the party in a way that makes the existing flaws obvious. A CoDzilla can outshine the fighter too, but that is really all the Synthesist does, so they can't avoid it.
*** Speaking of Summoners, the Master Summoner Archetype doesn't seem very bad, until you hit the higher levels and he drowns the encounter in entire herds of Augmented Celestial/Fiendish/Flaming/etc... Tyrannosaurus Rexes.

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*** Some argue that it is no worse than the normal summoner or a CoDzilla, it just interacts with the party in a way that makes the existing flaws obvious. A CoDzilla can outshine the fighter too, but that is really all the Synthesist does, so they can't avoid it.
it. In fact, it's easily possible to claim that the Synthesist is ''weaker'' than a normal summoner, as the Synthesist loses the second set of actions granted by the eidolon and is forced to choose between casting buffs and attacking. Generally, the Synthesist has much better defenses than a normal summoner, but loses out on a great deal of offensive power.
*** Speaking of Summoners, Summoners and the power of extra actions, the Master Summoner Archetype doesn't seem very bad, until you hit the higher levels and he drowns the encounter in entire herds of Augmented Celestial/Fiendish/Flaming/etc... Tyrannosaurus Rexes.
31st Mar '17 7:26:44 AM TheDoodAbides
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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them [[StopHavingGunGuys they're wrong for liking it]]. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...

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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them [[StopHavingGunGuys [[StopHavingFunGuys all the reasons they're wrong for liking it]]. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...
31st Mar '17 7:25:44 AM TheDoodAbides
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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them [[Stophavingfunguys they're wrong for liking it]]. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...

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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them [[Stophavingfunguys [[StopHavingGunGuys they're wrong for liking it]]. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...
31st Mar '17 7:23:36 AM TheDoodAbides
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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them they're wrong. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...

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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them [[Stophavingfunguys they're wrong.wrong for liking it]]. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...
31st Mar '17 7:21:43 AM TheDoodAbides
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* FandomRivalry: Mentioning one enjoys Pathfinder will bring Dungeons and Dragons fans out of the woodwork to tell them they're wrong. The resulting InternetBackdraft can get messy...
15th Jan '17 4:57:10 PM emillang1000
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*** Most agree the [[TierInducedScrappy rogue]] needed a bit of a boost and welcome the many changes and advantages that the ''Unchained'' rogue represents, particularly that, unlike the other ''Unchained'' variants, the rogue doesn't have to ''lose'' anything to get them (meaning almost all archetypes for the 'base' Rogue still work fine). But a number of player are still unhappy, feeling that making the rogue too effective in combat waters down the class's skillmonkey feel.

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*** Most agree the [[TierInducedScrappy rogue]] needed a bit of a boost and welcome the many changes and advantages that the ''Unchained'' rogue represents, particularly that, unlike the other ''Unchained'' variants, the rogue doesn't have to ''lose'' anything to get them (meaning almost all archetypes for the 'base' Rogue still work fine). But a number of player [[UnpleasableFanbase are still unhappy, feeling that making the rogue too effective in combat waters down the class's skillmonkey feel.feel]].
9th Jan '17 10:59:30 PM troodos
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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them, including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences her to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).

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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them, including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences gives her the power to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).youth]].
27th Nov '16 7:28:25 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them, including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences her to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).

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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them, including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed [[NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences her to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).
27th Nov '16 7:28:01 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'':
** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them�including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself�has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences her to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).

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** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'':
** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them�including them, including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself�has himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path dons the crown, Kazavon influences her to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague against the [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).
27th Nov '16 7:25:30 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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*** The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them - including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself - has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction.
*** When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path discovers Kazavon's fangs, his soul partly fuses with her own, giving her an incredible amount of power and the courage to act on her darker impulses. She seduces her husband's deformed stepbrother in order to assassinate her husband, then has him killed to tie up loose ends. She then proceeds to frame an innocent girl for the murder out of petty jealousy. After the scapegoat escapes, she unleashes a plague on her own city with the express purpose of killing off the minority populations in Korvosa (specifically Varisians and Shoanti), along with anyone she deems not to be important, quarantines an entire section of the city, leaving it in the hands of madmen and criminals, and begins to institute a PoliceState in Korvosa by kidnapping, torturing, and brainwashing women from the Korvosan military to create her own personal army. The Commandant of the Sable Company tries to kill her when she replaces his forces with her own, but his crossbow hitting her square in the head doesn't even phase her as she publicly murders him. Finally, she attempts to use a Thassalonian artifact to make herself immortal by killing thousands of random Korvosans, along with all of her own followers. In the end these actions weren't Kazavon's but hers, he simply gave her the courage and power to carry them out.

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*** ** ''Curse of the Crimson Throne'': The followers of Zon-Kuthon, God of {{Envy}}, [[TortureTechnician Pain]], [[CastingAShadow Darkness]], and [[DespairEventHorizon Loss]] tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation. Yet not a one of them - including them�including quite possibly Zon-Kuthon himself - has himself�has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by [[DarkMessiah Kazavon]], Zon-Kuthon's one-time [[TheChampion Champion]]. Essentially [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Vlad the Impaler]] in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a [[PsychoForHire human mercenary]] and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaled for his entertainment]]. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven [[ArtifactOfDoom Artifacts Of Doom]] and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction.
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self-destruction. When [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ileosa]], BigBad of the Adventure Path discovers Kazavon's fangs, his soul partly fuses with dons the crown, Kazavon influences her own, giving her an incredible amount of power and the courage to act on her darker impulses. She seduces her husband's deformed stepbrother in order to assassinate murder her husband, then has him killed to tie up loose ends. She then proceeds to frame an innocent girl for the murder out of petty jealousy. After the scapegoat escapes, she unleashes turn Korvosa into a PoliceState, unleash a plague on her own city with against the express purpose of killing off [[KillThePoor city's poorest citizens]], and drain the minority populations in Korvosa (specifically Varisians and Shoanti), along with anyone she deems not to be important, quarantines an entire section lives of the city, leaving it in the hands of madmen and criminals, and begins to institute a PoliceState in Korvosa by kidnapping, torturing, and brainwashing women from the Korvosan military to create her own personal army. The Commandant of the Sable Company tries to kill her when she replaces his forces with her own, but his crossbow hitting her square in the head doesn't even phase her as she publicly murders him. Finally, she attempts to use a Thassalonian artifact to make herself immortal by killing thousands of random Korvosans, along with all of her own followers. In in an effort to [[ImmortalityImmorality gain eternal youth]] (in reality, the end these actions weren't Kazavon's but hers, he simply gave her the courage and power to carry them out. spell will just [[BackFromTheDead resurrect Kazavon]]).
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