History YMMV / Pathfinder

20th Mar '18 2:11:53 PM elemt
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: While it's certainly never killed D&D's popularity, there is periodic criticism of the dark skinned elves being evil. Pathfinder sidesteps this by making it clear that, yes, elves have a wide variety of skin tones. They also changed the Drow to purple or dark blue, to make them look even more unnatural.

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While it's certainly never killed D&D's popularity, there is periodic criticism of the dark skinned elves being evil. Pathfinder sidesteps this by making it clear that, yes, elves have a wide variety of skin tones. They also changed the Drow to purple or dark blue, to make them look even more unnatural.unnatural.
** Dirty Fighting enables people to make combat maneuvers of any kind without provoking attacks when they're flanking (and gives a bigger bonus if you do have the "improved" version), and also counts as Combat Expertise, Improved Unarmed Strike, and having a Dexterity and Intelligence of 13 for the purposes of qualifying for feats. Bypassing four different requirements in one and being a useful feat in its own right, it's basically an apology for the excessive feat tax on combat maneuvers.
9th Mar '18 12:42:56 AM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those excited of the update believe this is a necessary fresh start for the system, allowing them to import better received mechanics from ''Pathfinder Unchained'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Starfinder}}'' into the core rules while also deal infamous issues like the LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards problem. Those less enthused about this news worry that the game [[FollowTheLeader will end up becoming more like D&D 5th Edition]] at the cost of CharacterCustomization and gameplay depth and/or feel angry that 9 years of {{Sourcebook}}s are essentially being tossed aside to make way for the new edition. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those excited of the update believe this is a necessary fresh start for the system, allowing them to import better received mechanics from ''Pathfinder Unchained'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Starfinder}}'' into the core rules while also deal infamous issues like the LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards problem. Those less enthused about this news worry that the game [[FollowTheLeader will end up becoming more like D&D 5th Edition]] at the cost of CharacterCustomization and gameplay depth and/or feel angry are angered that 9 years of {{Sourcebook}}s are essentially being tossed aside to make way rendered mechanically incompatible for the new edition.future books once second edition comes out. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]
8th Mar '18 3:20:21 PM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those excited of the update believe this is a necessary fresh start for the system, allowing them to import better received mechanics from ''Pathfinder Unchained'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Starfinder}}'' while also infamous issues like the LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards problem. Those less enthused about this news worry that the game [[FollowTheLeader will end up becoming more like D&D 5th Edition]] at the cost of CharacterCustomization and gameplay depth and/or feel angry that 9 years of {{Sourcebook}}s are essentially being tossed aside to make way for the new edition. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those excited of the update believe this is a necessary fresh start for the system, allowing them to import better received mechanics from ''Pathfinder Unchained'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Starfinder}}'' into the core rules while also deal infamous issues like the LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards problem. Those less enthused about this news worry that the game [[FollowTheLeader will end up becoming more like D&D 5th Edition]] at the cost of CharacterCustomization and gameplay depth and/or feel angry that 9 years of {{Sourcebook}}s are essentially being tossed aside to make way for the new edition. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]
8th Mar '18 3:19:34 PM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while those unhappy about the announcement worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of books released are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted excited of the update believe this will allow is a necessary fresh start for the system, allowing them to import better received mechanics from ''Pathfinder Unchained'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Starfinder}}'' while also infamous issues that plagued the system like the LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while those unhappy problem. Those less enthused about the announcement this news worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify that the game [[FollowTheLeader will end up becoming more like D&D 5th Edition]] at the cost of CharacterCustomization and gameplay depth and/or feel angry that 9 years of books released {{Sourcebook}}s are going down essentially being tossed aside to make way for the drain.new edition. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]
7th Mar '18 1:17:29 AM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while those unhappy about the announcement worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while those unhappy about the announcement worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products books released are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]
7th Mar '18 1:16:49 AM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while those unhappy about the detractors announcement worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected this division.]]
6th Mar '18 11:02:22 PM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected 1st Edition loyalists.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected 1st Edition loyalists.this division.]]
6th Mar '18 10:58:33 PM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain.
[[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected 1st Edition loyalists.]]

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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain.
drain. [[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected 1st Edition loyalists.]]
6th Mar '18 10:56:21 PM JustaUsername
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** The reveal of Pathfinder 2nd Edition has imported the edition wars of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' to Pathfinder just by the announcement. Those exicted of the update believe this will allow issues that plagued the system like LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards to be dealt with while the detractors worry about the claims of "streamlining" will oversimplify the game and feel 9 years of products are going down the drain.
[[http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest/faq#v5748eaic9wfk Paizo has expected 1st Edition loyalists.]]
21st Jan '18 4:58:21 PM nombretomado
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** The Advanced Class Guide was rushed to print for [=GenCon=] 2014, fan-speculation being that the reason for this was so Paizo had something to show off, because WizardsOfTheCoast was premiering ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' 5th Edition at the same time. This, however, led to glaring editing mistakes, and one class had a post-playtest downgrade - the Warpriest, which originally could make attacks using its level as Base Attack Bonus with its Sacred Weapon(s); there was much outcry over it being "bad", but an equal amount of cheering, as the Warpriest in the playtest was noted to completely run amok in groups due to this full-BAB plus 6th-level Spell progression. The divide is fairly 50/50 on Paizo's forums, and the book has received the worst/most mixed customer reviews (3.5/5 on Paizo's site) for any of the PRD "Big Books".

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** The Advanced Class Guide was rushed to print for [=GenCon=] 2014, fan-speculation being that the reason for this was so Paizo had something to show off, because WizardsOfTheCoast Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast was premiering ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' 5th Edition at the same time. This, however, led to glaring editing mistakes, and one class had a post-playtest downgrade - the Warpriest, which originally could make attacks using its level as Base Attack Bonus with its Sacred Weapon(s); there was much outcry over it being "bad", but an equal amount of cheering, as the Warpriest in the playtest was noted to completely run amok in groups due to this full-BAB plus 6th-level Spell progression. The divide is fairly 50/50 on Paizo's forums, and the book has received the worst/most mixed customer reviews (3.5/5 on Paizo's site) for any of the PRD "Big Books".
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