History YMMV / PaperMario

19th Sep '17 8:16:53 AM mrbits
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** [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from its roots, on top of footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to its roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
** "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has now become a DiscreditedMeme due to [[YouKeepSayingThatWord constant misuse]] by [[ComplainingAboutComplaining several fandoms]].[[/labelnote]]
** ''Paper Mario: [[VideoGame/BanjoKazooie Nuts & Bolts]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]Many fans tend to compare the series' run to ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'', as the first two games in both are often highly regarded as masterpieces of their respective genres, then having a new game that revamps the whole formula and plays almost nothing like its predecessors, one into a vehicle-constructing sandbox and the other into a 2D action-adventure platformer, resulting in a highly ContestedSequel. ''Sticker Star'' in particular tends to be compared to ''Nuts & Bolts'' the most, as like the latter, it was highly controversial back when it was released, and still is to this day, with fans clamoring a new game in the vein of the first two.[[/labelnote]]
** "If (any existing character) appeared in a new ''Paper Mario'' game, it would be a Toad."[[labelnote:Explanation]]As has been explained ''many'' times, the Toad species have become TheScrappy to the ''Paper Mario'' fanbase due to an overabundance of generic Toads with [[ADogNamedDog no unique names]] and [[YouAllLookFamiliar no real differences beyond colours or certain outfits]]. In addition, Toads are almost the ''only'' [=NPCs=] in both ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', greatly contrasting with the sheer variety of [=NPCs=] that the previous games had.[[/labelnote]]

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** [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from its roots, on top of footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to its roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
** "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has now become a DiscreditedMeme due to [[YouKeepSayingThatWord constant misuse]] by [[ComplainingAboutComplaining several fandoms]].[[/labelnote]]
** ''Paper Mario: [[VideoGame/BanjoKazooie Nuts & Bolts]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]Many fans tend to compare the series' run to ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'', as the first two games in both are often highly regarded as masterpieces of their respective genres, then having a new game that revamps the whole formula and plays almost nothing like its predecessors, one into a vehicle-constructing sandbox and the other into a 2D action-adventure platformer, resulting in a highly ContestedSequel. ''Sticker Star'' in particular tends to be compared to ''Nuts & Bolts'' the most, as like the latter, it was highly controversial back when it was released, and still is to this day, with fans clamoring a new game in the vein of the first two.[[/labelnote]]
** "If (any existing character) appeared in a new ''Paper Mario'' game, it would be a Toad."[[labelnote:Explanation]]As has been explained ''many'' times, the Toad species have become TheScrappy to the ''Paper Mario'' fanbase due to an overabundance of generic Toads with [[ADogNamedDog no unique names]] and [[YouAllLookFamiliar no real differences beyond colours or certain outfits]]. In addition, Toads are almost the ''only'' [=NPCs=] in both ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', greatly contrasting with the sheer variety of [=NPCs=] that the previous games had.[[/labelnote]]
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1st Sep '17 1:48:00 PM Kindle4Light
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* FandomBerserkButton: Saying ''anything'' positive about ''Sticker Star'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Color Splash'') aside from the soundtrack or the art style is enough to start a FlameWar in some circles. Scratch that, say that the "new" style of ''Paper Mario'' is better than the "old style". Oh wait, you want to make things ''really'' hot? Then say that ''Sticker Star'' or ''Color Splash'' (or worse, both) is the best while ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the worst. [[InternetBackdraft We are not responsible if this causes a meltdown in the arctic...]]

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Saying ''anything'' positive about ''Sticker Star'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Color Splash'') aside from the soundtrack or the art style is enough to start a FlameWar in some circles. Scratch that, say that the "new" style of ''Paper Mario'' is better than the "old style". Oh wait, you want to make things ''really'' hot? Then say that ''Sticker Star'' or ''Color Splash'' (or worse, both) is the best while ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the worst. [[InternetBackdraft We are not responsible if this causes a meltdown in the arctic...]]



* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from its roots, on top of footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to its roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]

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[[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from its roots, on top of footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to its roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
25th Aug '17 7:03:29 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** ''Paper Mario: [[VideoGame/BanjoKazooie Nuts & Bolts]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]Many fans tend to compare the series' run to ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'', as the first two games in both are often highly regarded as masterpieces of their respective genres, then having a new game that revamps the whole formula and plays almost nothing like its predecessors, one into a vehicle-constructing sandbox and the other into a 2D action-adventure platformer, resulting in a [[LoveItOrHateIt highly]] ContestedSequel. ''Sticker Star'' in particular tends to be compared to ''Nuts & Bolts'' the most, as like the latter, it was highly controversial back when it was released, and still is to this day, with fans clamoring a new game in the vein of the first two.[[/labelnote]]

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** ''Paper Mario: [[VideoGame/BanjoKazooie Nuts & Bolts]]''[[labelnote:Explanation]]Many fans tend to compare the series' run to ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'', as the first two games in both are often highly regarded as masterpieces of their respective genres, then having a new game that revamps the whole formula and plays almost nothing like its predecessors, one into a vehicle-constructing sandbox and the other into a 2D action-adventure platformer, resulting in a [[LoveItOrHateIt highly]] highly ContestedSequel. ''Sticker Star'' in particular tends to be compared to ''Nuts & Bolts'' the most, as like the latter, it was highly controversial back when it was released, and still is to this day, with fans clamoring a new game in the vein of the first two.[[/labelnote]]
24th Aug '17 2:39:16 PM PrincessGwen
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* IAmNotShazam: It is not uncommon to see fans call ''Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door'' simply "Paper Mario", since it's the game most current fans think of as the quintessential Paper Mario game. There are some who don't even know that there was a game before ''Thousand Year Door'', leading to some talking about it as was it the first one.

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* IAmNotShazam: It is not uncommon to see fans call ''Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door'' simply "Paper Mario", since it's the game most current fans think of as the quintessential Paper Mario game. There are some who don't even know that there was a game before ''Thousand Year Door'', leading to some talking about it as if it was it the first one.
17th Aug '17 3:13:29 PM Sammettik
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* TaintedByThePreview: ''Color Splash'', ''big time''. The moment it was announced that the mechanics would be like Sticker Star's, almost everyone hated it. Even after later trailers revealed that it would at least fix some of the most glaring problems that Sticker Star had (among other things, Paint is much easier to replenish than stickers, because you'll get plenty of it refilled after battles, and fighting enough battles will increase your maximum paint, meaning that battles are not as pointless as before), people are still not giving it the time of day. It doesn't help that the game eventually retained several things that people didn't like about ''Sticker Star'', aside from gameplay issues; most of the [=NPCs=] are still Toads, and the story is yet again [[ExcusePlot flat and basic]] (albeit deeper than that of ''Sticker Star'', which isn't saying a lot) and even borders on IdiotPlot. Time will tell if the game will be VindicatedByHistory like ''Super Paper Mario'', or stay just as reviled as ''Sticker Star'' was.

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* TaintedByThePreview: ''Color Splash'', ''big time''. The moment it was announced that the mechanics would be like Sticker Star's, almost everyone hated it. Even after later trailers revealed that it would at least fix some of the most glaring problems that Sticker Star had (among other things, Paint is much easier to replenish than stickers, because you'll get plenty of it refilled after battles, and fighting enough battles will increase your maximum paint, meaning that battles are not as pointless as before), people are still not giving it the time of day. It doesn't help that the game eventually retained several things that people didn't like about ''Sticker Star'', aside from gameplay issues; most of the [=NPCs=] are still Toads, and the story is yet again [[ExcusePlot flat and basic]] (albeit deeper than that of ''Sticker Star'', which isn't saying a lot) and even borders on IdiotPlot. Time will tell if the game will be VindicatedByHistory like ''Super Paper Mario'', or stay just as reviled as ''Sticker Star'' was.
9th Jul '17 1:45:03 PM PrincessGwen
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* IAmNotShazam: It is not uncommon to see fans call *Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door* simply "Paper Mario", since it's the game most current fans think of as the quintessential Paper Mario game. There are some who doesn't even know that there was a game before *Thousand Year Door*, leading to some talking about it as was it the first one.

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* IAmNotShazam: It is not uncommon to see fans call *Paper Mario and the call ''Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door* Door'' simply "Paper Mario", since it's the game most current fans think of as the quintessential Paper Mario game. There are some who doesn't don't even know that there was a game before *Thousand ''Thousand Year Door*, Door'', leading to some talking about it as was it the first one.
15th Jun '17 3:30:45 AM Onomateopoetic
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* IAmNotShazam: It is not uncommon to see fans call *Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door* simply "Paper Mario", since it's the game most current fans think of as the quintessential Paper Mario game. There are some who doesn't even know that there was a game before *Thousand Year Door*, leading to some talking about it as was it the first one.
26th Mar '17 12:44:10 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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* SoOkayItsAverage: While some fans don't exactly ''hate'' ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', they don't love them either, and most fans would consider them average and unremarkable games at best, if not downright horrible like other fans would believe. ''Super Paper Mario'''s gameplay could also be considered this, mostly because of its [[ItsEasySoItSucks easiness]] and the fact that it hardly requires any strategy beyond using the GoombaStomp unlike the previous games, although many fans agree that the excellent writing and story make up for the gameplay.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: While some fans don't exactly ''hate'' ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', they don't love them either, and most fans would consider them average and unremarkable games at best, if not downright horrible like other fans would believe.best. ''Super Paper Mario'''s gameplay could also be considered this, mostly because of its [[ItsEasySoItSucks easiness]] and the fact that it hardly requires any strategy beyond using the GoombaStomp unlike the previous games, although many fans agree that the excellent writing and story make up for the gameplay.
22nd Mar '17 5:46:23 AM MagBas
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* LoveItOrHateIt: To say that fans are [[BrokenBase divided]] over the quality of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'' is one hell of an {{Understatement}}, especially when compared to the earlier entries.
20th Mar '17 10:23:08 PM DarkChirano
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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Which then led to a second backdraft against the first one; fans still can't agree about Color Splash.]]

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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer producers said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans.route. [[BrokenBase Which then led to a second backdraft against the first one; fans still can't agree about Color Splash.]]
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