History YMMV / PaperMario

26th Mar '17 12:44:10 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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* SoOkayItsAverage: While some fans don't exactly ''hate'' ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', they don't love them either, and most fans would consider them average and unremarkable games at best, if not downright horrible like other fans would believe. ''Super Paper Mario'''s gameplay could also be considered this, mostly because of its [[ItsEasySoItSucks easiness]] and the fact that it hardly requires any strategy beyond using the GoombaStomp unlike the previous games, although many fans agree that the excellent writing and story make up for the gameplay.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: While some fans don't exactly ''hate'' ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', they don't love them either, and most fans would consider them average and unremarkable games at best, if not downright horrible like other fans would believe.best. ''Super Paper Mario'''s gameplay could also be considered this, mostly because of its [[ItsEasySoItSucks easiness]] and the fact that it hardly requires any strategy beyond using the GoombaStomp unlike the previous games, although many fans agree that the excellent writing and story make up for the gameplay.
22nd Mar '17 5:46:23 AM MagBas
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* LoveItOrHateIt: To say that fans are [[BrokenBase divided]] over the quality of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'' is one hell of an {{Understatement}}, especially when compared to the earlier entries.
20th Mar '17 10:23:08 PM DarkChirano
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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Which then led to a second backdraft against the first one; fans still can't agree about Color Splash.]]

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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer producers said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans.route. [[BrokenBase Which then led to a second backdraft against the first one; fans still can't agree about Color Splash.]]
18th Mar '17 8:55:20 PM DarkChirano
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* DorkAge: It's generally agreed that the subseries started going through one with ''Sticker Star'', which was a heavily controversial game for removing the story, exploration and RPG elements that made previous installments so beloved. ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' usually isn't considered here, due to being mostly held aloft by the gameplay and characterization approach of [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi the other Mario RPG series]] while suffering from a few of the same problems as ''Sticker Star'', but ''Color Splash'' gets the short end of the stick for having several similarities to ''Sticker Star''. Worse still, some interviews have stated that they've handed over the reigns of the "Mario RPG" completely to the ''Franchise/MarioAndLuigi'' series, so there are some serious concerns that, as long as the creative team of the eighth gen games stay in charge, the dork age will literally ''never'' end. There are a few fans who believe that the dork age began with ''Super Paper Mario'', but [[VindicatedByHistory in hindsight]], it's seen as a far better game that is still quintessentially a Paper Mario game in terms of humor, charm and heart, and mostly only suffers due to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks its different gameplay]]. However, some fans believe Paper Mario is being brought out of its dork age with ''Color Splash'' thanks to its sense of humor, SceneryPorn and not being as cryptic as ''Sticker Star'', but the other side of the fans still see ''Color Splash'' as a bad game in the franchise mostly because of the gameplay reminiscing the 3DS game and not having a grand story in comparison to ''Thousand Year Door'' and ''Super''.

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* DorkAge: It's generally agreed that the subseries started going through one with ''Sticker Star'', which was a heavily controversial game for removing the story, exploration and RPG elements that made previous installments so beloved. ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' usually isn't considered here, due to being mostly held aloft by the gameplay and characterization approach of [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi the other Mario RPG series]] while suffering from a few of the same problems as ''Sticker Star'', but ''Color Splash'' gets the short end of the stick for having several similarities to ''Sticker Star''. Worse still, some interviews have stated that they've handed over the reigns of the "Mario RPG" completely to the ''Franchise/MarioAndLuigi'' series, so there are some serious concerns that, as long as the creative team of the eighth gen games stay in charge, that the dork age will literally ''never'' end. There are a few fans who believe that the dork age began with ''Super Paper Mario'', but [[VindicatedByHistory in hindsight]], it's seen as a far better game that is still quintessentially a Paper Mario game in terms of humor, charm and heart, and mostly only suffers due to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks its different gameplay]]. However, some fans believe Paper Mario is being brought out of its dork age with ''Color Splash'' thanks to its sense of humor, SceneryPorn and not being as cryptic as ''Sticker Star'', but the other side of the fans still see ''Color Splash'' as a bad game in the franchise mostly because of the gameplay reminiscing the 3DS game and not having a grand story in comparison to ''Thousand Year Door'' and ''Super''.
18th Mar '17 8:54:36 PM DarkChirano
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** "If (any existing character) appeared in a new ''Paper Mario'' game, it would be a Toad."[[labelnote:Explanation]]As has been explained ''many'' times, the Toad species have become TheScrappy to the ''Paper Mario'' fanbase due to an overabundance of generic Toads with [[ADogNamedDog no unique names]] and [[YouAllLookFamiliar no real differences beyond colours or certain outfits]]. In addition, Toads are almost the ''only'' [=NPCs=] in both ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', greatly contrasting with the sheer variety of [=NPCs=] that the previous games had. This isn't helped by producer Kensuke Tanabe thinking Toads are the only usable friendly species, nor the fact the other current producers and directors also believe this to be true.[[/labelnote]]

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** "If (any existing character) appeared in a new ''Paper Mario'' game, it would be a Toad."[[labelnote:Explanation]]As has been explained ''many'' times, the Toad species have become TheScrappy to the ''Paper Mario'' fanbase due to an overabundance of generic Toads with [[ADogNamedDog no unique names]] and [[YouAllLookFamiliar no real differences beyond colours or certain outfits]]. In addition, Toads are almost the ''only'' [=NPCs=] in both ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', greatly contrasting with the sheer variety of [=NPCs=] that the previous games had. This isn't helped by producer Kensuke Tanabe thinking Toads are the only usable friendly species, nor the fact the other current producers and directors also believe this to be true.[[/labelnote]]
9th Mar '17 3:15:17 PM DarkChirano
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* FandomRivalry: There was a time where the ''Paper Mario'' fandom got along amicably with that of the ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' series, even with the alleged wrong turns the ''Paper Mario'' series had taken. Then [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/260783-paper-mario-series-focus-is-on-puzzle-solving-humor-color-splash Nintendo explained that]] they were planning on making ''Mario & Luigi'' the Mario series' de-facto RPG series, while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the (much maligned) action-adventure direction of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash''. (And all but outright stating that a new ''Paper Mario'' RPG like ''The Thousand Year Door'' would likely not be coming any time soon.) Needless to say, when word about this reached the ''Paper Mario'' fandom, any good relations they had with the ''Mario & Luigi'' series and fandom went down the toilet in record time, primarily out of jealousy for "stealing" the status as ''the'' Mario RPG series away from them.

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* FandomRivalry: There was a time where the ''Paper Mario'' fandom got along amicably with that of the ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' series, even with the alleged wrong turns the ''Paper Mario'' series had taken. Then [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/260783-paper-mario-series-focus-is-on-puzzle-solving-humor-color-splash Nintendo the current Paper Mario producers explained that]] they were planning on making ''Mario & Luigi'' the Mario series' de-facto RPG series, while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the (much maligned) action-adventure direction of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash''. (And all but outright stating that a new ''Paper Mario'' RPG like ''The Thousand Year Door'' would likely not be coming any time soon.) Needless to say, when word about this reached [[Main/SubvertedTrope In a subversion]], the ''Paper Mario'' fandom, any good relations they had with the ''Mario & Luigi'' fans of both series and fandom went down saw past the toilet in record time, primarily attempt to incite this trope, both pointing out of jealousy for "stealing" the status as ''the'' Mario RPG series away from them.why this doesn't make any sense.
6th Mar '17 10:41:00 AM mlsmithca
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/PaperMario Has its own page.]] Even when the games aren't exactly great, the series never fails when it comes to the soundtrack department.



%%* EnsembleDarkhorse: Every game has a lot of characters that became fan favorites. ''Paper Mario'' has Bombette, Kammy, the Koopa Bros, and the Crystal King. ''The Thousand-Year Door'' has Goombella, Admiral Bobbery, Vivian, Cortez, Rawk Hawk, [[spoiler:Doopliss]], and Lord Crump. ''Super Paper Mario'' has the entire villain team (Count Bleck, Dimentio, Mimi, O'Chunks, Nastasia and Mr. L). ''Sticker Star'' has the Sombrero Guys enemies, Gooper Blooper, mainly for his boss fight and music and Mizzter Blizzard, for his somewhat sad background.
%%* FridgeBrilliance: It's common knowledge that the Koopa Brothers [[PaperThinDisguise dress up like Toads.]] But if you take the colors of their mushroom spots and apply them to the usual ThemeNaming of Toads, you get [[StealthPun Green T., Red T., Black T., and Yellow T.!]]



%%* EnsembleDarkhorse: Every game has a lot of characters that became fan favorites. ''Paper Mario'' has Bombette, Kammy, the Koopa Bros, and the Crystal King. ''The Thousand-Year Door'' has Goombella, Admiral Bobbery, Vivian, Cortez, Rawk Hawk, [[spoiler:Doopliss]], and Lord Crump. ''Super Paper Mario'' has the entire villain team (Count Bleck, Dimentio, Mimi, O'Chunks, Nastasia and Mr. L). ''Sticker Star'' has the Sombrero Guys enemies, Gooper Blooper, mainly for his boss fight and music and Mizzter Blizzard, for his somewhat sad background.



%%* FridgeBrilliance: It's common knowledge that the Koopa Brothers [[PaperThinDisguise dress up like Toads.]] But if you take the colors of their mushroom spots and apply them to the usual ThemeNaming of Toads, you get [[StealthPun Green T., Red T., Black T., and Yellow T.!]]



* SoCoolItsAwesome: The first two games, particularly ''The Thousand-Year Door''. They were highly acclaimed when they were released thanks to their gameplay and storytelling, and still are to this day, with the second game being considered one of the best ''Mario'' games ever made. ''Super Paper Mario'' can also count in terms of plot, as in spite of the SoOkayItsAverage gameplay, [[EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame its story and characters are often considered among the best in the series]].



* TaintedByThePreview: ''Color Splash'', ''BIG TIME''. The moment it was announced that the mechanics would be like Sticker Star's, almost everyone hated it. Even after later trailers revealed that it would at least fix some of the most glaring problems that Sticker Star had (among other things, Paint is much easier to replenish than stickers, because you'll get plenty of it refilled after battles, and fighting enough battles will increase your maximum paint, meaning that battles are not as pointless as before), people are still not giving it the time of day. It doesn't help that the game eventually retained several things that people didn't like about ''Sticker Star'', aside from gameplay issues; most of the [=NPCs=] are still Toads, and the story is yet again [[ExcusePlot flat and basic]] (albeit deeper than that of ''Sticker Star'', which isn't saying a lot) and even borders on IdiotPlot. Time will tell if the game will be VindicatedByHistory like ''Super Paper Mario'', or stay just as reviled as ''Sticker Star'' was.

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* TaintedByThePreview: ''Color Splash'', ''BIG TIME''.''big time''. The moment it was announced that the mechanics would be like Sticker Star's, almost everyone hated it. Even after later trailers revealed that it would at least fix some of the most glaring problems that Sticker Star had (among other things, Paint is much easier to replenish than stickers, because you'll get plenty of it refilled after battles, and fighting enough battles will increase your maximum paint, meaning that battles are not as pointless as before), people are still not giving it the time of day. It doesn't help that the game eventually retained several things that people didn't like about ''Sticker Star'', aside from gameplay issues; most of the [=NPCs=] are still Toads, and the story is yet again [[ExcusePlot flat and basic]] (albeit deeper than that of ''Sticker Star'', which isn't saying a lot) and even borders on IdiotPlot. Time will tell if the game will be VindicatedByHistory like ''Super Paper Mario'', or stay just as reviled as ''Sticker Star'' was.
31st Jan '17 9:32:45 PM PrincessGwen
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** ''Color Splash'' as well. Some like the game for improving on the flaws ''Sticker Star'' had and proving that the formula does work. Everyone else just wants the series to return to the same gameplay as the first two games and will point to the flaws that ''Color Splash'' does retain from it's predecessor.

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** ''Color Splash'' as well. Some like the game for improving on the flaws ''Sticker Star'' had and proving that the formula does work. Everyone else just wants the series to return to the same gameplay as the first two games and will point to the flaws that ''Color Splash'' does retain from it's its predecessor.
27th Jan '17 7:11:46 AM mario0987
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* HypeBacklash: Thanks to the BrokenBase and InternetBackdraft that ''Color Splash'' received, ''The Thousand Year Door'' is starting to get this from fans who appreciate ''Color Splash'' for what it is and feel that it is not been given a chance because of ''Sticker Star''.

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* HypeBacklash: Thanks to the BrokenBase and InternetBackdraft that ''Color Splash'' received, ''The Thousand Year Door'' is starting to get this from fans who appreciate ''Color Splash'' for what it is and feel that it is not been given a chance because of ''Sticker Star''.Star'' and a NostalgiaFilter about the first two games.
27th Jan '17 7:10:39 AM mario0987
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* ContestedSequel: ''Super Paper Mario''. While most would agree that it's a good game with an excellent storyline, many fans can't accept it mostly because of the [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks unexpectedly different]] and [[ItsEasySoItSucks overly easy]] gameplay, [[EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame although some would play it only for the story, which is widely seen as the game's main saving grace.]]
%%* With ''Color Splash'', a number of people are willing to admit that it improves on ''Sticker Star'' in a number of ways, such as having less one-note characters (Bowser can actually talk again), more of an actual storyline, a much less obnoxious helper character, and, at the very least, having an improved battle system from that of the previous game. However, it still has many detractors thanks to it still taking a few pages out of ''Sticker Star'''s book, such as still having generic Toads making up 9/10 of the cast, most bosses still requiring certain Thing cards to be defeated (which is alleviated by them giving you hints, but after using the needed Thing most stop putting up a fight), needing tedious backtracking if you lack the needed Thing card for puzzles, the story still not being complex enough and some more. Overall, ''Color Splash'' is largely agreed to be at least a step up from ''Sticker Star'', but still nowhere near the level of the first three games (especially ''The Thousand-Year Door''). Whether it's a good game in its own right or not is [=*ahem*=] ''[[BrokenBase hotly debated]]''.

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''Super Paper Mario''. While most would agree that it's a good game with an excellent storyline, many fans can't accept it mostly because of the [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks unexpectedly different]] and [[ItsEasySoItSucks overly easy]] gameplay, [[EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame although some would play it only for the story, which is widely seen as the game's main saving grace.]]
%%* With ** ''Color Splash'', a number of people are willing to admit that it improves Splash'' as well. Some like the game for improving on the flaws ''Sticker Star'' in a number of ways, such as having less one-note characters (Bowser can actually talk again), more of an actual storyline, a much less obnoxious helper character, and, at the very least, having an improved battle system from had and proving that of the previous game. However, it still has many detractors thanks to it still taking a few pages out of ''Sticker Star'''s book, such as still having generic Toads making up 9/10 of formula does work. Everyone else just wants the cast, most bosses still requiring certain Thing cards series to be defeated (which is alleviated by them giving you hints, but after using return to the needed Thing most stop putting up a fight), needing tedious backtracking if you lack same gameplay as the needed Thing card for puzzles, first two games and will point to the story still not being complex enough and some more. Overall, flaws that ''Color Splash'' is largely agreed to be at least a step up does retain from ''Sticker Star'', but still nowhere near the level of the first three games (especially ''The Thousand-Year Door''). Whether it's a good game in its own right or not is [=*ahem*=] ''[[BrokenBase hotly debated]]''.predecessor.



* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Make of that what you will.]]

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* HypeBacklash: Thanks to the BrokenBase and InternetBackdraft that ''Color Splash'' received, ''The Thousand Year Door'' is starting to get this from fans who appreciate ''Color Splash'' for what it is and feel that it is not been given a chance because of ''Sticker Star''.
* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that are ''ridiculously'' difficult without the correct Thing card but downright trivial with them. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Make of that what you will.Which then led to a second backdraft against the first one; fans still can't agree about Color Splash.]]



* SeasonalRot: The series is largely considered to have lost its way after the second game, leaping back and forth from idea to idea but not yet returning to the series' roots. However, many fans say that the moment where the series truly lost its way was after ''Super Paper Mario'', which still had an interesting and complex storyline with memorable characters in spite of its polarizing gameplay, as opposed to the very controversial direction the series has gone with ''Sticker Star''.

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* SeasonalRot: The series is largely considered to have lost its way after the second game, leaping back and forth from idea to idea but not yet returning to the series' roots. However, many fans say that the moment where the series truly lost its way was after ''Super Paper Mario'', which still had an interesting and complex storyline with memorable characters in spite of its polarizing gameplay, as opposed to the very controversial direction the series has gone with ''Sticker Star''. Whether ''Color Splash'' continues the rot or pulls the series out of it is very hotly contested.
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