History YMMV / PaperMario

25th Aug '16 12:33:59 PM AguFungus
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** "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has become HilariousInHindsight for rather obvious reasons. Many defenders of the newer ''Paper Mario'' games use this against fans of older games, but like what's said above, doing this can be a big FandomBerserkButton to older fans, and can even start a FlameWar.[[/labelnote]]

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** "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has become HilariousInHindsight for rather obvious reasons. Many defenders of the newer ''Paper Mario'' games use this against fans of older games, games. obviously [[SquarePegRoundTrope failing to tell the difference]] between this and TaintedByThePreview, but like what's said above, doing this can be a big FandomBerserkButton to older fans, and can even start a FlameWar.[[/labelnote]]
25th Aug '16 10:28:36 AM PrincessGwen
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* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from it's roots, on top of the new footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to it's roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
** "I love going on message boards complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has become HilariousInHindsight for rather obvious reasons. Many defenders of the newer ''Paper Mario'' games use this against fans of older games, but like what's said above, doing this can be a big FandomBerserkButton to older fans, and can even start a FlameWar.[[/labelnote]]

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* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from it's its roots, on top of the new footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to it's its roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
** "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has become HilariousInHindsight for rather obvious reasons. Many defenders of the newer ''Paper Mario'' games use this against fans of older games, but like what's said above, doing this can be a big FandomBerserkButton to older fans, and can even start a FlameWar.[[/labelnote]]
25th Aug '16 3:52:30 AM SergeBernhardt
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* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from it's roots, on top of the new footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''.

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* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from it's roots, on top of the new footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''. That coupled with an ''Iwata Asks'' interview saying that ''Sticker Star'' would become the new standard, and many fans desperately wanting the series to go back to it's roots, it's not surprising that comments like this would eventually be made.[[/labelnote]]
** "I love going on message boards complaining about games I've never played!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A line said by Francis in ''Super Paper Mario'', which has become HilariousInHindsight for rather obvious reasons. Many defenders of the newer ''Paper Mario'' games use this against fans of older games, but like what's said above, doing this can be a big FandomBerserkButton to older fans, and can even start a FlameWar.[[/labelnote]]
25th Aug '16 3:46:35 AM SergeBernhardt
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** Similarly, anything that even ''resembles'' some sort of defense to ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'' is subject to start a FlameWar. This includes anything related to telling fans to "give the game a chance" or calling them [[NostalgiaFilter "nostalgia-biased purists".]] Given that fans often have very good reasons to dislike the newer games (such as ExcusePlot, {{Flat Character}}s, unintuitive gameplay, and the very fact that ''Color Splash'' plays just like ''Sticker Star''), it's understandable that they often become very annoyed whenever someone uses those arguments.


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* MemeticMutation: [[{{Pun}} RIP]] ''Paper Mario''[[labelnote:Explanation]]A common reaction after the reveal that ''Color Splash'' was following the same formula as the highly polarizing ''Sticker Star'', which was accentuated further after an infamous interview where the producer said that ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' was a major reason why the series is straying so much from it's roots, on top of the new footage showing that ''Color Splash'' is repeating several of the most glaring flaws in ''Sticker Star''.
20th Aug '16 10:43:32 AM PrincessGwen
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* CreatorsPet: As seen below, it's really rare to find a ''Paper Mario'' fan that is also a fan of the Toad species. Of course, generic male Toads are almost the only NPCs in ''Sticker Star'', and from what has been shown in ''Color Splash'', almost every NPC is some kind of Toad. Given that the previous games had a ton of variety on their NPCs beyond just Toads, fans are unsurprisingly not happy with this.

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* CreatorsPet: As seen below, it's really rare to find a ''Paper Mario'' fan that is also a fan of the Toad species. Of course, generic male Toads are almost the only NPCs [=NPCs=] in ''Sticker Star'', and from what has been shown in ''Color Splash'', almost every NPC is some kind of Toad. Given that the previous games had a ton of variety on their NPCs [=NPCs=] beyond just Toads, fans are unsurprisingly not happy with this.



* EvenBetterSequel: ''The Thousand-Year Door'' to the first game, thanks to taking most of the things that made the latter great and taking them UpToEleven, resulting in what most fans believe to be the best game in the series, the ''Mario'' RPGs and even ''one of the best Mario games as a whole.''

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* EvenBetterSequel: ''The Thousand-Year Door'' to the first game, thanks to taking most of the things that made the latter great and taking them UpToEleven, resulting in what most fans believe to be the best game in the series, the ''Mario'' RPGs [=RPGs=] and even ''one of the best Mario games as a whole.''



* TheScrappy: While Toad and the Toad species as a whole are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaking Characters]] at worst in most other installments of the ''Mario'' franchise, you'll be hard pressed to find any sort of love for them from the ''Paper Mario'' fandom. The primary reason for their immense hate from the ''Paper Mario'' fandom is because of their perceived over-abundance in ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', at the expense of any other more interesting ''Mario'' characters that could serve as friendly [=NPCs=], as was the case in previous installments. [[note]] It gets to the point that a haunted hotel location in ''Color Splash'' features ghost Toad [=NPCs=] rather than [=NPCs=] of the franchise's signature spooks: Boos.[[/note]] The excessive amount of Toads is often held by the fandom as an example of why the ''Paper Mario'' is in a DorkAge.

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* TheScrappy: While Toad and the Toad species as a whole are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaking Characters]] at worst in most other installments of the ''Mario'' franchise, you'll be hard pressed to find any sort of love for them from the ''Paper Mario'' fandom. The primary reason for their immense hate from the ''Paper Mario'' fandom is because of their perceived over-abundance in ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'', at the expense of any other more interesting ''Mario'' characters that could serve as friendly [=NPCs=], as was the case in previous installments. [[note]] It gets to the point that a haunted hotel location in ''Color Splash'' features ghost Toad [=NPCs=] rather than [=NPCs=] of the franchise's signature spooks: Boos.[[/note]] The excessive amount of Toads is often held by the fandom as an example of why the ''Paper Mario'' series is in a DorkAge.



* ToughActToFollow: The series is a major offender of this. Both the first game and ''The Thousand-Year Door'' are highly regarded RPGs, with the latter in particular being declared as the very best of the series. Since then, none of the games have attained the same amount of praise, although ''Super Paper Mario'' has been VindicatedByHistory. But still, especially given that ''Sticker Star'' was a highly polarizing game and ''Color Splash'' follows the same formula (and on top of this, they plan to make it the new standard), it's safe to say that the series won't get away of ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s shadow anytime soon.

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* ToughActToFollow: The series is a major offender of this. Both the first game and ''The Thousand-Year Door'' are highly regarded RPGs, [=RPGs=], with the latter in particular being declared as the very best of the series. Since then, none of the games have attained the same amount of praise, although ''Super Paper Mario'' has been VindicatedByHistory. But still, especially given that ''Sticker Star'' was a highly polarizing game and ''Color Splash'' follows the same formula (and on top of this, they plan to make it the new standard), it's safe to say that the series won't get away of ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s shadow anytime soon.
18th Aug '16 11:09:23 AM SergeBernhardt
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* CreatorsPet: As seen below, it's really rare to find a ''Paper Mario'' fan that is also a fan of the Toad species. Of course, generic male Toads are almost the only NPCs in ''Sticker Star'', and from what has been shown in ''Color Splash'', almost every NPC is some kind of Toad. Given that the previous games had a ton of variety on their NPCs beyond just Toads, fans are unsurprisingly not happy with this.
18th Aug '16 6:42:12 AM SergeBernhardt
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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that can be trivialized with the correct Thing card. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while Paper Mario would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Make of that what you will.]]

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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that can be trivialized with the correct Thing card. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while Paper Mario ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[BrokenBase Make of that what you will.]]
18th Aug '16 6:41:11 AM SergeBernhardt
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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that can be trivialized with the correct Thing card. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while Paper Mario would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[RuleOfCautiousJudgement Make of that what you will.]]

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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that can be trivialized with the correct Thing card. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while Paper Mario would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[RuleOfCautiousJudgement [[BrokenBase Make of that what you will.]]
18th Aug '16 6:40:45 AM SergeBernhardt
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* InternetBackdraft: Before ''Color Splash'' was announced, fans were expecting a new game for the Wii U like the first two after the poorly-received ''Sticker Star''. As it turned out, the new game was following the same formula as ''Sticker Star'' but with a paint gimmick, and on top of that, they previously said that they wanted to make ''Sticker Star'' the series' new standard. After this announcement, all hell broke loose, and later footage didn't help any matters, as it showed that the game was repeating some of ''Sticker Star'''s most glaring problems, like the excessive amount of generic Toads over other species and bosses that can be trivialized with the correct Thing card. Making things even worse, the producer said that they wanted ''Mario & Luigi'' to become the de-facto Mario role-playing game series while Paper Mario would continue in the ''Sticker Star'' route, which was so reviled that it created a FandomRivalry between ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' fans. [[RuleOfCautiousJudgement Make of that what you will.]]
15th Aug '16 9:54:21 AM Midna
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* DorkAge: It's generally agreed that the subseries started going through one with ''Sticker Star'', which was a heavily controversial game for removing the story, exploration and RPG elements that made previous installments so beloved. With ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' mostly being held aloft by the gameplay and characterization approach of [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi its other constituent series]] while suffering from a few of the same problems as current ''Paper Mario'' games, and ''Color Splash'' being highly reminiscent of ''Sticker Star'' via first impressions, many fans agree that the dork age isn't ending any time soon. Worse still, some interviews have stated that they've handed over the reigns of the "Mario RPG" completely to the ''Franchise/MarioAndLuigi'' series, so there are some serious concerns that, in some respects, the dork age will literally ''never'' end. There are a few fans who believe that the dork age began with ''Super Paper Mario'', but [[VindicatedByHistory in hindsight]], it's seen as a far better game that is still quintessentially a Paper Mario game in terms of humor, charm and heart, and mostly only suffers due to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks its different gameplay]].

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* DorkAge: It's generally agreed that the subseries started going through one with ''Sticker Star'', which was a heavily controversial game for removing the story, exploration and RPG elements that made previous installments so beloved. With ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' mostly being held aloft by the gameplay and characterization approach of [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi its other constituent series]] while suffering from a few of the same problems as current ''Paper Mario'' games, and ''Color Splash'' being highly reminiscent of ''Sticker Star'' via first impressions, in almost every way, many fans agree that the dork age isn't ending any time soon. Worse still, some interviews have stated that they've handed over the reigns of the "Mario RPG" completely to the ''Franchise/MarioAndLuigi'' series, so there are some serious concerns that, in some respects, the dork age will literally ''never'' end. There are a few fans who believe that the dork age began with ''Super Paper Mario'', but [[VindicatedByHistory in hindsight]], it's seen as a far better game that is still quintessentially a Paper Mario game in terms of humor, charm and heart, and mostly only suffers due to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks its different gameplay]].



* FandomBerserkButton: Saying ''anything'' positive about ''Sticker Star'' aside from the soundtrack or the art style is enough to start a FlameWar in some circles. Scratch that, say that ''Sticker Star'' is better that any of the previous games. Oh wait, you want to make things ''really'' hot? Then say that ''Sticker Star'' is the best while ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the worst. [[InternetBackdraft We are not responsible if this causes a meltdown in the arctic...]]

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* FandomBerserkButton: Saying ''anything'' positive about ''Sticker Star'' or ''Color Splash'' aside from the soundtrack or the art style is enough to start a FlameWar in some circles. Scratch that, say that ''Sticker Star'' the "new" style of ''Paper Mario'' is better that any of than the previous games. "old style". Oh wait, you want to make things ''really'' hot? Then say that ''Sticker Star'' or ''Color Splash'' (or worse, both) is the best while ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the worst. [[InternetBackdraft We are not responsible if this causes a meltdown in the arctic...]]



* FandomRivalry: There was a time where the ''Paper Mario'' fandom got along amicably with that of the ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' series, even with the alleged wrong turns the ''Paper Mario'' series had taken. Then [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/260783-paper-mario-series-focus-is-on-puzzle-solving-humor-color-splash Nintendo explained that]] they were planning on making ''Mario & Luigi'' the Mario series' de-facto RPG series, while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the (much maligned) action-adventure direction of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash''. (And all but implying that a new ''Paper Mario'' RPG like ''The Thousand Year Door'' would likely not be coming any time soon.) Needless to say, when word about this reached the ''Paper Mario'' fandom, any good relations they had with the ''Mario & Luigi'' series and fandom went down the toilet in record time, primarily out of jealousy for "stealing" the status as ''the'' Mario RPG series away from them.

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* FandomRivalry: There was a time where the ''Paper Mario'' fandom got along amicably with that of the ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' series, even with the alleged wrong turns the ''Paper Mario'' series had taken. Then [[http://gonintendo.com/stories/260783-paper-mario-series-focus-is-on-puzzle-solving-humor-color-splash Nintendo explained that]] they were planning on making ''Mario & Luigi'' the Mario series' de-facto RPG series, while ''Paper Mario'' would continue in the (much maligned) action-adventure direction of ''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash''. (And all but implying outright stating that a new ''Paper Mario'' RPG like ''The Thousand Year Door'' would likely not be coming any time soon.) Needless to say, when word about this reached the ''Paper Mario'' fandom, any good relations they had with the ''Mario & Luigi'' series and fandom went down the toilet in record time, primarily out of jealousy for "stealing" the status as ''the'' Mario RPG series away from them.



* ToughActToFollow: The series is a major offender of this. Both the first game and ''The Thousand-Year Door'' are highly regarded RPGs, with the latter in particular being declared as the very best of the series. Since then, none of the games have attained the same amount of praise, although ''Super Paper Mario'' has been VindicatedByHistory. But still, especially given that ''Sticker Star'' was a highly polarizing game and ''Color Splash'' seems to follow the same formula (and on top of this, they plan to make it the new standard), it's safe to say that the series won't get away of ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s shadow anytime soon.

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* ToughActToFollow: The series is a major offender of this. Both the first game and ''The Thousand-Year Door'' are highly regarded RPGs, with the latter in particular being declared as the very best of the series. Since then, none of the games have attained the same amount of praise, although ''Super Paper Mario'' has been VindicatedByHistory. But still, especially given that ''Sticker Star'' was a highly polarizing game and ''Color Splash'' seems to follow follows the same formula (and on top of this, they plan to make it the new standard), it's safe to say that the series won't get away of ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s shadow anytime soon.
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