History YMMV / Outlander

17th Oct '16 7:39:16 PM Lightysnake
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* CompleteMonster: Black Jack Randall. A sadist and rapist, of both women and men, ''par excellence''.
7th Oct '16 8:46:55 PM NOYB
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** Roger, to an unimaginable degree. The 18th century must really hate him-- from the moment he steps through the stones he is [[spoiler: mistaken as a rapist, beaten to a pulp and sold as a slave to Indians, and later hanged and almost killed mistakenly just because he kissed another (very vindictive) man's wife]].

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** Roger, to an unimaginable degree. The 18th century must really hate him-- from the moment he steps through the stones he is [[spoiler: mistaken as a rapist, beaten to a pulp and sold as a slave to Indians, and later hanged and almost killed mistakenly just because he chastely kissed another (very vindictive) man's wife]].
7th Oct '16 8:45:18 PM NOYB
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** Voyager begins with Jamie being NotQuiteDead, which although it was stated at the end of ''Dragonfly in Amber'' it's still a shock to read as the very first scene of the book. He is forced to hide in an abandoned house with his comrades and later watches as they are taken out and shot by the English for being rebels. Jamie's own life is spared, because of a vow William Grey had made in Carryarick when Jamie spared his life, and so Jamie ends up being sent home to Lallybroch by William Grey's own older brother, Lord Melton. After that, Jamie spends seven years living in a cave while hiding from the English, before finally giving himself up to help his people make it through the famine. He goes to prison, but is later indentured in Helwater (a much nicer option than being sent to the New World). In Helwater, Jamie is blackmailed into sleeping with his master's spoilt daughter (who is getting married soon and doesn't want her first time to be with an elderly man like Ellesmere) and ends up accidentally getting her pregnant and fathers a son, and he is forced to kill Geneva's husband Ellesmere to prevent the baby from being thrown out a window (Geneva's husband was ''not'' a very nice person, especially after he discovered what she had done with Jamie). Jamie, much like the reader, is considerably shocked by it all. Much, much later, when Claire finally comes back to him, we find out that Jamie married ''Laoghaire'', the woman who purposefully plotted to have Claire arrested and sentenced to death by fire as a witch (though in his defense he would never have agreed to wed her if he had known that) and Claire understandably freaks out and runs away and while she is away Laoghaire ''shoots Jamie'' which causes Claire to come back. While they are reconciling and trying to fix up the Laoghaire mess Young Ian is kidnapped by pirates while diving for the seal's gold (which Jamie hoped to use to recompense Laoghaire) and the rest of the novel is Jamie and Claire racing to find and rescue him.

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** Voyager ''Voyager'' begins with Jamie being NotQuiteDead, which although it was stated at the end of ''Dragonfly in Amber'' it's still a shock to read as the very first scene of the book. He is forced to hide in an abandoned house with his comrades and later watches as they are taken out and shot by the English for being rebels. Jamie's own life is spared, because of a vow William Grey had made in Carryarick when Jamie spared his life, and so Jamie ends up being sent home to Lallybroch by William Grey's own older brother, Lord Melton. After that, Jamie spends seven years living in a cave while hiding from the English, before finally giving himself up to help his people make it through the famine. He goes to prison, but is later indentured in Helwater (a much nicer option than being sent to the New World). In Helwater, Jamie is blackmailed into sleeping with his master's spoilt daughter (who is getting married soon and doesn't want her first time to be with an elderly man like Ellesmere) and ends up accidentally getting her pregnant and fathers a son, and he is forced to kill Geneva's husband Ellesmere to prevent the baby from being thrown out a window (Geneva's husband was ''not'' a very nice person, especially after he discovered what she had done with Jamie). Jamie, much like the reader, is considerably shocked by it all. Much, much later, when Claire finally comes back to him, we find out that Jamie married ''Laoghaire'', the woman who purposefully plotted to have Claire arrested and sentenced to death by fire as a witch (though in his defense he would never have agreed to wed her if he had known that) and Claire understandably freaks out and runs away and while she is away Laoghaire ''shoots Jamie'' which causes Claire to come back. While they are reconciling and trying to fix up the Laoghaire mess Young Ian is kidnapped by pirates while diving for the seal's gold (which Jamie hoped to use to recompense Laoghaire) and the rest of the novel is Jamie and Claire racing to find and rescue him.
7th Oct '16 8:44:48 PM NOYB
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* CompleteMonster: Black Jack Randall. A sadist and rapist, of both women and men, ''par excellence''.
13th Sep '16 8:05:07 PM Fireblood
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* LesYay: Geillis and Claire have a bit of this, [[spoiler: certainly evident during their witch trial, when both Claire and Geillis are willing to die for one another, Claire even has a way out if she just claims Geillis corrupted her, but she can't bring herself to do it, Geillis [[HeroicSacrifice then saves Claire by confessing to witch craft and to corrupting Claire]], while the angry mob carries her away Jamie is able to run away with Claire.]]

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* LesYay: Geillis and Claire have a bit of this, [[spoiler: certainly evident during their witch trial, when both Claire and Geillis are willing to die for one another, another. Claire even has a way out if she just claims Geillis corrupted her, but she can't bring herself to do it, it. Geillis [[HeroicSacrifice then saves Claire by confessing to witch craft witchcraft and to corrupting Claire]], while Claire]]. While the angry mob carries her away Jamie is able to run away with Claire.]] ]]
* NamesTheSame: Geillis Duncan, a Scotswoman, shares her name with a real Scottish historical figure who was also accused of witchcraft. Her confession under torture in 1590 naming other women as accomplices helped usher in British witch trials.
11th Aug '16 7:26:16 AM AlleyOop
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* InternetBackdraft: The show's [[http://www.vox.com/2016/6/17/11943538/outlander-fandom-william-shatner-shipping-controversy large shipping community]] has incited a lot of arguing between fans and members of the show itself.


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* InternetBackdraft: The show's [[http://www.vox.com/2016/6/17/11943538/outlander-fandom-william-shatner-shipping-controversy large shipping community]] has incited a lot of arguing between fans and members of the show itself.
11th Aug '16 7:25:49 AM AlleyOop
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* InternetBackdraft: The show's [[http://www.vox.com/2016/6/17/11943538/outlander-fandom-william-shatner-shipping-controversy large shipping community]] has incited a lot of arguing between fans and members of the show itself.
1st Aug '16 6:10:50 PM NOYB
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''/''Series/GameOfThrones'', thanks to Gabaldon and Creator/GeorgeRRMartin being good friends and fans of each other's work, plus Martin's outrage at the show's lack of Emmy success even while his own was having its biggest night ever at the awards.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''/''Series/GameOfThrones'', thanks to Gabaldon and Creator/GeorgeRRMartin being good friends and fans of each other's work, work (which is published by the same imprint), plus Martin's outrage at the show's lack of Emmy success even while his own was having its biggest night ever at the awards.
1st Aug '16 6:09:57 PM NOYB
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Claire's character in the TV adaptation has become subject to this, as one section of fans complain about her attitude and her personality which is portrayed differently from that of Book Claire. It doesn't help that she's 'mothering' Jamie and telling him what to do half the time in the STARZ series, either. However, there are other fans who accept Claire as she is in the TV series and don't pass judgement on her behaviour.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Claire's character in the TV adaptation has become subject to this, as one section of fans complain about her attitude and her personality personality, which is portrayed differently from that of Book Claire. It doesn't help that she's 'mothering' Jamie and telling him what to do half the time in the STARZ series, either. However, there are other fans who accept Claire as she is in the TV series and don't pass judgement on her behaviour.
27th Jul '16 12:38:41 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Frank. Part of the fandom thinks he's a victim of tragic circumstances and sympathise completely with him; another part hates him and considers him selfish and a {{Jerkass}} for everything he did to Claire during their twenty-year marriage. And then there are the fans who don't feel either way about him and those who like him but acknowledge his flaws.

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Frank. Part of the fandom thinks he's a victim of tragic circumstances and sympathise completely with him; another part hates him and considers him selfish and a {{Jerkass}} for everything he did to Claire during their twenty-year marriage. And then there are the fans who don't feel either way about him and those who like him but acknowledge his flaws.



* BaseBreaker: Claire's character in the TV adaptation has become subject to this, as one section of fans complain about her attitude and her personality which is portrayed differently from that of Book Claire. It doesn't help that she's 'mothering' Jamie and telling him what to do half the time in the STARZ series, either. However, there are other fans who accept Claire as she is in the TV series and don't pass judgement on her behaviour.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Claire's character in the TV adaptation has become subject to this, as one section of fans complain about her attitude and her personality which is portrayed differently from that of Book Claire. It doesn't help that she's 'mothering' Jamie and telling him what to do half the time in the STARZ series, either. However, there are other fans who accept Claire as she is in the TV series and don't pass judgement on her behaviour.
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