History YMMV / Outlander

13th Apr '16 5:49:31 PM Chericola
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* BaseBreaker: Frank. Part of the fandom thinks he's a victim of tragic circumstances and sympathise completely with him; another part hates him and considers him selfish and a {{Jerkass}} for everything he did to Claire during their twenty-year marriage. And then there are the fans who don't feel either way about him and those who like him but acknowledge his flaws.
** Claire herself. Most people like her for her qualities, but some find her tendency to act without thinking annoying (especially when she does something which Jamie warns her beforehand not to do). Her character in the TV adaptation has become subject to this, as one section of fans complain about her attitude and her personality which is portrayed differently from that of Book Claire. It doesn't help that she's 'mothering' Jamie and telling him what to do half the time in the STARZ series, either. However, there are other fans who accept Claire as she is in the TV series and don't pass judgement on her behaviour.
** Jamie, mostly because of the (in)famous strapping scene. Some fans condemn him for beating Claire, while others accept his reasons for it and like him for his personality and his actions/decisions in other book scenes.
10th Apr '16 6:19:41 PM Lightysnake
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----* TheWoobie: As of season 2? Frank. He has lost the wife he deeply loves for two year, refusing to believe that she left him for another man. When she gets back, she is firmly out of love with him, treats him coldly and Frank has to learn she's been another man's wife (and is pregnant by him). As a result, he stumbles out of the room and destroys everything in another room in clear grief and emotional anguish. It's very, very hard not to feel bad for the guy whose only crime seems to be not being a hunky Scotsman from the past.
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16th Mar '16 2:33:26 AM Chericola
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Murtagh

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** Geneva Dunsay: Spoilt girl who was used to getting what she wanted, and damn anyone who suffers for it? Or a spirited young woman trapped by circumstances and only wanting her first time to be special?
* EnsembleDarkhorse: MurtaghMurtagh, one-hundred percent. Fans were devastated when he [[spoiler: was revealed to have died at Culloden]]. Among some of the TV-show watchers on social media, [[spoiler: the hashtag "save Murtagh" is being circulated, and quite a few fans seem to be hoping for him to survive Culloden]] in the STARZ adaptation.
** Lord John Grey proved to be so popular that he gained his own spin-off series, the Lord John books.



** Voyager begins with Jamie being NotQuiteDead, which although it was stated at the end of Dragonfly in Amber it's still a shock to read as the very first scene of the book. He is forced to hide in an abandoned house with his comrades and later watches as they are taken out and shot by the English for being rebels. Jamie's own life is spared, because of a vow William Grey had made in Carryarick when Jamie spared his life, and so Jamie ends up being sent home to Lallybroch by William Grey's own older brother, Lord Melton. After that, Jamie spends seven years living in a cave while hiding from the English, before finally giving himself up to help his people make it through the famine. He goes to prison, but is later indentured in Helwater (a much nicer option than being sent to the New World). In Helwater, Jamie is blackmailed into sleeping with his master's spoilt daughter (who is getting married soon and doesn't want her first time to be with an elderly man like Ellesmere) and ends up accidentally getting her pregnant and fathers a son, and he is forced to kill Geneva's husband Ellesmere to prevent the baby from being thrown out a window (Geneva's husband was ''not'' a very nice person, especially after he discovered what she had done with Jamie). Jamie, much like the reader, is considerably shocked by it all. Much, much later, when Claire finally comes back to him, we find out that Jamie married Laoghaire, the woman who purposefully plotted to have Claire arrested and sentenced to death by fire as a witch (though in his defense he would never have agreed to wed her if he had known that) and Claire understandably freaks out and runs away and while she is away Laoghaire ''shoots Jamie'' which causes Claire to come back. While they are reconciling and trying to fix up the Laoghaire mess Young Ian is kidnapped by pirates while diving for the seal's gold (which Jamie hoped to use to recompense Laoghaire) and the rest of the novel is Jamie and Claire racing to find and rescue him.
* LoveToHate: Jack Randall, naturally, by most of the fandom.

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** Voyager begins with Jamie being NotQuiteDead, which although it was stated at the end of Dragonfly ''Dragonfly in Amber Amber'' it's still a shock to read as the very first scene of the book. He is forced to hide in an abandoned house with his comrades and later watches as they are taken out and shot by the English for being rebels. Jamie's own life is spared, because of a vow William Grey had made in Carryarick when Jamie spared his life, and so Jamie ends up being sent home to Lallybroch by William Grey's own older brother, Lord Melton. After that, Jamie spends seven years living in a cave while hiding from the English, before finally giving himself up to help his people make it through the famine. He goes to prison, but is later indentured in Helwater (a much nicer option than being sent to the New World). In Helwater, Jamie is blackmailed into sleeping with his master's spoilt daughter (who is getting married soon and doesn't want her first time to be with an elderly man like Ellesmere) and ends up accidentally getting her pregnant and fathers a son, and he is forced to kill Geneva's husband Ellesmere to prevent the baby from being thrown out a window (Geneva's husband was ''not'' a very nice person, especially after he discovered what she had done with Jamie). Jamie, much like the reader, is considerably shocked by it all. Much, much later, when Claire finally comes back to him, we find out that Jamie married Laoghaire, ''Laoghaire'', the woman who purposefully plotted to have Claire arrested and sentenced to death by fire as a witch (though in his defense he would never have agreed to wed her if he had known that) and Claire understandably freaks out and runs away and while she is away Laoghaire ''shoots Jamie'' which causes Claire to come back. While they are reconciling and trying to fix up the Laoghaire mess Young Ian is kidnapped by pirates while diving for the seal's gold (which Jamie hoped to use to recompense Laoghaire) and the rest of the novel is Jamie and Claire racing to find and rescue him.
* LoveToHate: Jack Randall, naturally, by most of the fandom.




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** Brianna in ''Drums of Autumn'', though YMMV. Her mother abandoned her to go back to her one true love in the eighteenth century, leaving her an orphan. She'd also been told that she's not who she thought she was, and that Frank, who she adored, was not her biological father, thus causing her inner conflict between accepting her real heritage or denying it (as accepting Jamie as her father would feel like a betrayal to Frank). Then once she finally decides to travel back in time to the 1700s to warn Jamie and Claire about the death-notice and finally chooses to embrace her Scottish heritage she ends up raped and pregnant and unable to return to her own time like she originally planned.

12th Feb '16 8:17:53 PM Chericola
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** Also Laoghaire.

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* MoralEventHorizon: In backstory, Jack Randall crosses this when he is revealed to have tortured and raped Alex MacGregor, causing MacGregor to suicide. During the main plot, readers first see just how twisted he is in the Wentworth scene, when he rapes and tortures Jamie Fraser.
** Also Laoghaire. Stephen Bonnet crosses it when he robs Jamie, Claire and their party of everything they own just hours after Jamie saved him from being recaptured and returned to prison.


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** Brianna/Roger was teased a lot in ''Dragonfly in Amber'', with Roger and Bree being instantly attracted to one another and Claire even assuming that they would eventually start a relationship together. Her main comfort in leaving Bree to go back to Jamie was that she knew that Roger would be there to look after her. They were eventually upgraded to OfficialCouple status come ''Drums of Autumn''.
15th Jan '16 1:48:38 AM Anddrix
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* ViewersAreMorons: About half of Claire's narrations only exist to blatantly spell out what's already perfectly clear from the story itself.
9th Jan '16 7:22:48 AM Pren
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''/''Series/GameOfThrones'', thanks to Gabaldon and Creator/GeorgeRRMartin being good friends and fans of each other's work, plus Martin's outrage at the show's lack of Emmy success even while his own was having its biggest night ever at the awards.
30th Dec '15 11:31:46 AM Pren
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* HilariousInHindsight: The proper Gaelic pronunciation of Laoghaire's name is something like "Lahiri." By the time the TV show made this clear, the name likely brought to mind [[Series/TheMindyProject Mindy Lahiri]].
29th Dec '15 11:02:22 AM Pren
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* BrokenBase: Some book fans were quite upset that Dougal makes an unambiguous AttemptedRape on Claire that she has to knock him out to get away from, followed by the entire aftermath of the equivalent and far less aggressive scene in the book being kept ''exactly'' the same. Especially since there's quite an overlap with the fans of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', which at the same time was also having issues of turning up the rape content of its source material.
27th Dec '15 6:25:33 PM Pren
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* ViewersAreMorons: About half of Claire's narrations only exist to blatantly spell out what's already perfectly clear from the story itself.
7th Dec '15 2:55:18 AM Chericola
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* HolyShitQuotient: The Outlander series has ''a lot'' of these.
** Voyager begins with Jamie being NotQuiteDead, which although it was stated at the end of Dragonfly in Amber it's still a shock to read as the very first scene of the book. He is forced to hide in an abandoned house with his comrades and later watches as they are taken out and shot by the English for being rebels. Jamie's own life is spared, because of a vow William Grey had made in Carryarick when Jamie spared his life, and so Jamie ends up being sent home to Lallybroch by William Grey's own older brother, Lord Melton. After that, Jamie spends seven years living in a cave while hiding from the English, before finally giving himself up to help his people make it through the famine. He goes to prison, but is later indentured in Helwater (a much nicer option than being sent to the New World). In Helwater, Jamie is blackmailed into sleeping with his master's spoilt daughter (who is getting married soon and doesn't want her first time to be with an elderly man like Ellesmere) and ends up accidentally getting her pregnant and fathers a son, and he is forced to kill Geneva's husband Ellesmere to prevent the baby from being thrown out a window (Geneva's husband was ''not'' a very nice person, especially after he discovered what she had done with Jamie). Jamie, much like the reader, is considerably shocked by it all. Much, much later, when Claire finally comes back to him, we find out that Jamie married Laoghaire, the woman who purposefully plotted to have Claire arrested and sentenced to death by fire as a witch (though in his defense he would never have agreed to wed her if he had known that) and Claire understandably freaks out and runs away and while she is away Laoghaire ''shoots Jamie'' which causes Claire to come back. While they are reconciling and trying to fix up the Laoghaire mess Young Ian is kidnapped by pirates while diving for the seal's gold (which Jamie hoped to use to recompense Laoghaire) and the rest of the novel is Jamie and Claire racing to find and rescue him.
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