History YMMV / OneMoreDay

28th Dec '15 12:57:18 PM Anddrix
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mother's soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)... yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom Doctor Doom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mother's soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)... yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
8th Oct '15 1:03:26 PM FF32
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** Also at one point Peter meets his future daughter if he stayed married with Mary Jane. The UnfortunateImplication is that when he took Mephisto's deal, he essentially ''aborted his unborn child.'' Though in his defense he only found out who she after the deal was made and it's doubtful that Mephisto (being you know, ''the devil'') would allow him to break the deal after going through with it.
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** Also at one point Peter meets his future daughter if he stayed married with Mary Jane. The UnfortunateImplication [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate Implication]] is that when he took Mephisto's deal, he essentially ''aborted his unborn child.'' Though in his defense he only found out who she after the deal was made and it's doubtful that Mephisto (being you know, ''the devil'') would allow him to break the deal after going through with it.
2nd Jul '15 2:57:48 AM LahmacunKebab
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mothers soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)...yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mothers mother's soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)...BittersweetEnding)... yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
2nd Jul '15 2:56:41 AM LahmacunKebab
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other then the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mothers soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)...yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other then than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated DoctorDoom '''every single year for X number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mothers soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)...yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
2nd Jul '15 2:56:14 AM LahmacunKebab
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** Early in JMS' run, Spidey had an encounter with Loki that ended with the Norse trickster-god saying he now owed Spiderman a favour that he could collect whenever he wished. Loki is ''hardly'' reliable, but when he says he owes a favor, that's big. Unfortunately for Peter and Marvel's readership, Loki happened to be dead at the time Peter ''really'' needed that favor. It would still have met with outrage but at least it would have been seen as CanonWelding.
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** Early in JMS' run, Spidey had an encounter with Loki that ended with the Norse trickster-god saying he now owed Spiderman a favour that he could collect whenever he wished. Loki is ''hardly'' reliable, but when he says he owes a favor, favour, that's big. Unfortunately for Peter and Marvel's readership, Loki happened to be dead at the time Peter ''really'' needed that favor. It would still have met with outrage but at least it would have been seen as CanonWelding.
2nd Jul '15 2:54:14 AM LahmacunKebab
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** Notably, one of the goals of this was to make Peter single again so they could explore him further as a character. Carlie however, is introduced ''immediately'' at the end of OMD following the marriage being erased, with everything being all too obvious that she would Peter's "new girl". So much for exploring him as a free man...
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** Notably, one of the goals of this was to make Peter single again so they could explore him further as a character. Carlie however, is introduced ''immediately'' at the end of OMD following the marriage being erased, with everything being all too obvious that she would be Peter's "new girl". So much for exploring him as a free man...

** On one of the variant covers for Issue 700 of ASM, all of Peter's major loves are included in a shot on the moon behind him...Carlie is among them (despite Carlie being one of Peter's more short-lived interests, as ASM writer Dan Slott broke them up in 2011 after barely a year had gone by)
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** On one of the variant covers for Issue 700 of ASM, all of Peter's major loves are included in a shot on the moon behind him... Carlie is among them (despite Carlie being one of Peter's more short-lived interests, as ASM writer Dan Slott broke them up in 2011 after barely a year had gone by)
2nd Jul '15 2:50:02 AM LahmacunKebab
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--> '''Bob Chipman''': So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now...Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of blinking some bridal photos out of existence. Aaah...Ouch? I guess? [[WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]]
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--> '''Bob Chipman''': So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now... Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of blinking some bridal photos out of existence. Aaah... Ouch? I guess? [[WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]]
2nd Jul '15 2:49:08 AM LahmacunKebab
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** Mephisto is an idiot as well. He gains absolutely nothing by this petty act of vindictiveness. Sure, he's a Prince of Hell, and EvilIsPetty is expected, but this doesn't even cause that much damage; when you consider that he is the premier SatanicArchetype of this world, its PokeThePoodle territory compared to [[MultiversalConqueror what]] [[YourSoulIsMine he]] ''[[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans could]]'' [[TheCorrupter be]] [[RageAgainstTheHeavens doing]] (he's long had this problem, but this is a career low). Moreover, his claim that trying to buy the soul of a hero who makes a HeroicSacrifice is a hollow victory (because they "suffer righteously" knowing that their deal did some good), retroactively makes him ''more'' of an idiot because a vast number of his schemes have been attempts to do just that.
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** Mephisto is an idiot as well. He gains absolutely nothing by this petty act of vindictiveness. Sure, he's a Prince of Hell, and EvilIsPetty is expected, but this doesn't even cause that much damage; when you consider that he is the premier SatanicArchetype of this world, its it's PokeThePoodle territory compared to [[MultiversalConqueror what]] [[YourSoulIsMine he]] ''[[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans could]]'' [[TheCorrupter be]] [[RageAgainstTheHeavens doing]] (he's long had this problem, but this is a career low). Moreover, his claim that trying to buy the soul of a hero who makes a HeroicSacrifice is a hollow victory (because they "suffer righteously" knowing that their deal did some good), retroactively makes him ''more'' of an idiot because a vast number of his schemes have been attempts to do just that.
2nd Jul '15 2:46:51 AM LahmacunKebab
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* HilariousInHindsight: Or maybe FunnyAneurysmMoment, hard to say. This isn't the only time they tried to "un-marry" Spider-Man - the [[DorkAge Clone Saga]] was originally supposed to be this . [[WhatCouldHaveBeen One of the ways they were going to fix that mess]] was to reveal the whole saga was a contest between the characters Judas Traveller and Scrier, the latter of whom turns out to be, you got it, ''Mephisto!'' Who would have put Spider-Man in a ShaggyDogStory StableTimeLoop just so he could claim Judas Traveller's soul. As the [[WordOfGod person who had the idea put it]] [[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html here]]:
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* HarsherInHindsight: Remember how Joe Quesada [[DiggingYourselfDeeper infamously said that]] people who wanted Mary Jane and Peter Parker to stick together would advocate for the latter to "grow old and die"? [[spoiler:Towards the end of ''The Amazing Spider Man'' comic book, he does just that - albeit in the body and consciousness of Doctor Octopus, who takes over his form.]] * HilariousInHindsight: Or maybe FunnyAneurysmMoment, hard to say. This isn't the only time they tried to "un-marry" Spider-Man - the [[DorkAge Clone Saga]] was originally supposed to be this .this. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen One of the ways they were going to fix that mess]] was to reveal the whole saga was a contest between the characters Judas Traveller and Scrier, the latter of whom turns out to be, you got it, ''Mephisto!'' Who would have put Spider-Man in a ShaggyDogStory StableTimeLoop just so he could claim Judas Traveller's soul. As the [[WordOfGod person who had the idea put it]] [[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html here]]:

* HarsherInHindsight: Remember how Joe Quesada [[DiggingYourselfDeeper infamously said that]] people who wanted Mary Jane and Peter Parker to stick together would advocate for the latter to "grow old and die"? [[spoiler:Towards the end of ''The Amazing Spider Man'' comic book, he does just that - albeit in the body and consciousness of Doctor Octopus, who takes over his form.]]
12th May '15 8:47:47 AM StFan
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: So when you follow a fascist's (IronMan as he was then being written) suggestion to do away with keeping your superhero personality a secret and suffer the foreseeable consequences, you accept you made a mistake and -- oh wait, you sacrifice your loving wife and marriage - ''to the devil'' - because you can't accept responsibility? The editor thinks it's better than a divorce?! ''What.''
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: ** So when you follow a fascist's (IronMan (ComicBook/IronMan as he was then being written) suggestion to do away with keeping your superhero personality a secret and suffer the foreseeable consequences, you accept you made a mistake and -- oh wait, you sacrifice your loving wife and marriage - -- ''to the devil'' - -- because you can't accept responsibility? The editor thinks it's better than a divorce?! ''What.''

*** Here's another layer: Peter's daughter is actually born in one alternate continuity and grows up to become ''SpiderGirl'', a successful superhero who is more well liked InUniverse than her father was. Yeah, in the ''OMD'' dimension there is absolutely no chance of that ever happening. [[FridgeHorror Meaning people in the future are possibly going to die because she wasn't there to save them.]] ''All of those people died so one very old woman'' (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) ''would live.'' Wow, Marvel!
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*** ** Here's another layer: Peter's daughter is actually born in one alternate continuity and grows up to become ''SpiderGirl'', ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'', a successful superhero who is more well liked well-liked InUniverse than her father was. Yeah, in the ''OMD'' dimension there is absolutely no chance of that ever happening. [[FridgeHorror Meaning people in the future are possibly going to die because she wasn't there to save them.]] ''All of those people died so one very old woman'' (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) ''would live.'' Wow, Marvel!
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