History YMMV / OneMoreDay

14th Jan '17 9:09:51 PM KingClark
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* BrokenBase: Half the fanbase would like to know what the hell happened to their beloved characters. The other half would just like to forget Peter Parker ever made a pact with Satan and just enjoy the new stories. Note the base is only broken on how to react--this story is just that reviled.

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Half the fanbase would like to know what the hell happened to their beloved characters. The other half would just like to forget Peter Parker ever made a pact with Satan Mephisto and just enjoy the new stories. Note the base is only broken on how to react--this story is just that reviled.



* DesignatedHero: Peter makes a deal (or rather, guilt-trips Mary Jane into making a deal) with the devil to feel better about himself, despite it being healthier to accept he screwed up, despite his Aunt May's spirit telling him she is okay with dying, and despite the One-Above-All telling him to accept her death.
** Note that the One-Above-All is not an expy of the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God (unlike Mephisto, who is a devil expy). He literally ''is'' the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God. The one that quietly devout Methodist Peter has been worshiping all his life. Yes, this character told ''GOD HIMSELF'' to screw off, made a deal with a greater demon, ignored all the maxims by which he's tried to live his life, and is ''still'' supposed to have our sympathy.

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* DesignatedHero: Peter makes a deal (or rather, guilt-trips Mary Jane into making a deal) with the devil to feel better about himself, despite it being healthier to accept he screwed up, despite his Aunt May's spirit telling him she is okay with dying, and despite the One-Above-All telling him to accept her death.
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death. (Note that the One-Above-All is not an expy of the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God (unlike Mephisto, who is a devil expy). He literally ''is'' the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Judeo-Christian God. The one that quietly devout Methodist Peter has been worshiping all his life. Yes, this character told ''GOD HIMSELF'' to screw off, made a deal with a greater demon, ignored all the maxims by which he's tried to live his life, and is ''still'' supposed to have our sympathy.)



* IdiotPlot: The sheer ''idiocy'' displayed by the ''entire'' Marvel Universe sans Mephisto is maddening, especially since many heroes who have been able to solve far more absurd, unworldly problems, cannot fix something so simple as a bullet wound.

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The sheer ''idiocy'' displayed by the ''entire'' Marvel Universe sans Mephisto is maddening, especially since many heroes who have been able to solve far more absurd, unworldly problems, cannot fix something so simple as a bullet wound.



* MoralEventHorizon: From an audience viewpoint, Mephisto's deal. Even though he was established as one of the worst people in the Marvel Universe at that point, fans still liked him for still managing to be an EvilIsCool CardCarryingVillain. After the point, you'd find a ''lot'' of people that want him to die painfully.
** For some, Peter Parker making a deal with Satan is this. It means that all the times he's harped on how "Great Power comes with Great Responsibility," are a complete and total lie, because he ''isn't'' being responsible. He's being ''selfish'' and not owning up to a mistake that ''he'' made. Instead of dealing with it like a mature adult, he (one of the most moral and upstanding heroes in Marvel's stable) decides that the only acceptable option is to ignore the wishes of his dying aunt, multiple friends and family, and ''god himself'' to say "Screw that," and makes a deal with Mephisto. Any time going forward after these events, all readers can see is an irresponsible hypocrite who is willing to entreat with the darkest entities in reality rather than face a harsh truth.
* {{Narm}}: "Tune your ear to the frequency of despair, and cross-reference with the latitude and longitude of a heart in agony. Listen. Listen." It's the narration of the first panel, [[ThisIsGonnaSuck so at least they warned you what you were getting into]]. As Takes From the Longbox said:

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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From an audience viewpoint, Mephisto's deal. Even though he was established as one of the worst people in the Marvel Universe at that point, fans still liked him for still managing to be an EvilIsCool CardCarryingVillain. After the point, you'd find a ''lot'' of people that want him to die painfully.
** For some, Peter Parker making a deal with Satan Mephisto is this. It means that all the times he's harped on how "Great Power comes with Great Responsibility," are a complete and total lie, because he ''isn't'' being responsible. He's being ''selfish'' and not owning up to a mistake that ''he'' made. Instead of dealing with it like a mature adult, he (one of the most moral and upstanding heroes in Marvel's stable) decides that the only acceptable option is to ignore the wishes of his dying aunt, multiple friends and family, and ''god himself'' to say "Screw that," and makes a deal with Mephisto. Any time going forward after these events, all readers can see is an irresponsible hypocrite who is willing to entreat with the darkest entities in reality rather than face a harsh truth.
* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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"Tune your ear to the frequency of despair, and cross-reference with the latitude and longitude of a heart in agony. Listen. Listen." It's the narration of the first panel, [[ThisIsGonnaSuck so at least they warned you what you were getting into]]. As Takes From the Longbox said:
14th Jan '17 9:07:24 PM KingClark
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** The ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' series ''Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.
** Renew Your Vows has been turned into an ongoing AlternateUniverse in 2016, with Gerry Conway writing and Ryan Stegman pencilling.

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** The ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' series ''Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' seems to exist to appeal to people that really didn't like the change.
** Renew
change. ''Renew Your Vows has been Vows'' was later turned into an ongoing AlternateUniverse in 2016, with Gerry Conway writing and Ryan Stegman pencilling.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Mary Jane's concerns in OMIT about Spider-Man being trouble for Peter and his loved ones are pretty valid. If she had voiced them after Aunt May got shot, then we might have had a decent breakup story instead of all this magic retcon nonsense.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Mary Jane's concerns in OMIT about Spider-Man being trouble for Peter and his loved ones are pretty valid. If she had voiced them after Aunt May got shot, then we might have had a decent breakup story instead of all this magic retcon nonsense.
7th Jan '17 1:36:11 PM Agronac919
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** The fact that Peter goes to some of the smartest men in the world and very experienced healers yet they are all ''powerless'' to fix the most complex injury of all: [[MundaneMadeAwesome a bullet wound!]]
27th Dec '16 3:05:05 PM MisterCPC
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** Harry getting retconned back alive, as it happened shortly after both ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and [[Film/SpiderMan3 the films]] killed him off.
1st Dec '16 9:14:22 AM MCanter89
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* DieForOurShip: Or rather, Rewrite Reality for our ship. From [[JoeQuesada the editor]] for his personal CreatorsPet, no less.

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* DieForOurShip: Or rather, Rewrite Reality for our ship. From [[JoeQuesada [[Creator/JoeQuesada the editor]] for his personal CreatorsPet, no less.



** Special mention has to go to how Peter expresses his despair when giving up his marriage, when he knows he must lose something that has so much value to him - "NYRAAARGH!"

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** Special mention has to go to how Peter expresses his despair when giving up his marriage, when he knows he must lose something that has so much value to him - "NYRAAARGH!"him--"NYRAAARGH!"



* {{Padding}}: To the point that a really, really vitriolic [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode review]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall one of the comic's greatest detractors]] says that the first three issues don't have much occurring and suggests for a DrinkingGame "take a shot every time 'pointless' is said in this review".

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* {{Padding}}: To the point that [[http://atopthefourthwall.com/200th-episode/ a really, really vitriolic [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode vitriolic review]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall one of the comic's greatest detractors]] says that the first three issues don't have much occurring and suggests for a DrinkingGame "take a shot every time 'pointless' is said in this review".



** Early in JMS' run, Spidey had an encounter with Loki that ended with the Norse trickster-god saying he now owed Spiderman a favour that he could collect whenever he wished. Loki is ''hardly'' reliable, but when he says he owes a favour, that's big. Unfortunately for Peter and Marvel's readership, Loki happened to be dead at the time Peter ''really'' needed that favor. It would still have met with outrage but at least it would have been seen as CanonWelding. Also? [[CoolVsAwesome Loki Vs. Mephisto.]] ''Why could we not have had that.''

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** Early in JMS' run, Spidey had an encounter with Loki that ended with the Norse trickster-god saying he now owed Spiderman Spider-Man a favour that he could collect whenever he wished. Loki is ''hardly'' reliable, but when he says he owes a favour, that's big. Unfortunately for Peter and Marvel's readership, Loki happened to be dead at the time Peter ''really'' needed that favor. It would still have met with outrage but at least it would have been seen as CanonWelding. Also? [[CoolVsAwesome Loki Vs. Mephisto.]] ''Why could we not have had that.''
30th Nov '16 1:39:04 PM MCanter89
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** Mephisto: Trying to induce suffering on two truly in love people by destroying it? Trying to off Peter and Mary Jane's kids using the marriage excuse to throw them off? Has ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}esque fourth wall breaking powers, and is doing this to piss off the fans?

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** Mephisto: Trying to induce suffering on two truly in love people by destroying it? Trying to off Peter and Mary Jane's kids using the marriage excuse to throw them off? Has ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}esque fourth wall breaking wall–breaking powers, and is doing this to piss off the fans?



** The original print of ''One More Day'' had a speech bubble with some miniscule text of Mary Jane whispering something to Mephisto. Magnified, this would read "I will remember everything", leaving an opening for the retcon to be retconned. This ended up being used for ''One Moment In Time'', however, with different text.

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** The original print of ''One More Day'' had a speech bubble with some miniscule minuscule text of Mary Jane whispering something to Mephisto. Magnified, this would read "I will remember everything", leaving an opening for the retcon to be retconned. This ended up being used for ''One Moment In Time'', however, with different text.



** Renew Your Vows has been turned into an ongoing AlternateUniverse in 2016 with Gerry Conway writing and Ryan Stegman pencilling.

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** Renew Your Vows has been turned into an ongoing AlternateUniverse in 2016 2016, with Gerry Conway writing and Ryan Stegman pencilling.



* BrokenBase: Half the fanbase would like to know what the hell happened to their beloved characters. The other half would just like to forget Peter Parker ever made a pact with Satan and just enjoy the new stories. Note the base is only broken on how to react - this story is just that reviled.

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* BrokenBase: Half the fanbase would like to know what the hell happened to their beloved characters. The other half would just like to forget Peter Parker ever made a pact with Satan and just enjoy the new stories. Note the base is only broken on how to react - this react--this story is just that reviled.



** So when you follow a fascist's (ComicBook/IronMan as he was then being written) suggestion to do away with keeping your superhero personality a secret and suffer the foreseeable consequences, you accept you made a mistake and -- oh wait, you sacrifice your loving wife and marriage -- ''to the devil'' -- because you can't accept responsibility? The editor thinks it's better than a divorce?! ''What.''
** Also at one point Peter meets his future daughter if he stayed married with Mary Jane. The [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate Implication]] is that when he took Mephisto's deal, he essentially ''aborted his unborn child.'' Though in his defense he only found out who she was after the deal was made and it's doubtful that Mephisto (being you know, ''the devil'') would allow him to break the deal after going through with it.
** Here's another layer: Peter's daughter is actually born in one alternate continuity and grows up to become ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'', a successful superhero who is more well-liked InUniverse than her father was. Yeah, in the ''OMD'' dimension there is absolutely no chance of that ever happening. [[FridgeHorror Meaning people in the future are possibly going to die because she wasn't there to save them.]] ''All of those people died so one very old woman'' (who was okay with dying, and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) ''would live.'' Wow, Marvel!

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** So when you follow a fascist's (ComicBook/IronMan as he was then being written) suggestion to do away with keeping your superhero personality a secret and suffer the foreseeable consequences, you accept you made a mistake and -- oh and--oh, wait, you sacrifice your loving wife and marriage -- ''to marriage--''to the devil'' -- because devil''--because you can't accept responsibility? The editor thinks it's better than a divorce?! ''What.''
** Also at one point Peter meets his future daughter if he stayed married with Mary Jane. The [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate Implication]] {{unfortunate implication|s}} is that when he took Mephisto's deal, he essentially ''aborted his unborn child.'' child''. Though in his defense defense, he only found out who she was after the deal was made made, and it's doubtful that Mephisto (being (being, you know, ''the devil'') would allow him to break the deal after going through with it.
** Here's another layer: Peter's daughter is actually born in one alternate continuity and grows up to become ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'', a successful superhero who is more well-liked InUniverse than her father was. Yeah, in the ''OMD'' dimension dimension, there is absolutely no chance of that ever happening. [[FridgeHorror Meaning people in the future are possibly going to die because she wasn't there to save them.]] ''All of those people died so one very old woman'' (who was okay with dying, dying and, let's face it, doesn't have too many years left anyway) ''would live.'' Wow, Marvel!



* HarsherInHindsight: Remember how Joe Quesada [[DiggingYourselfDeeper infamously said that]] people who wanted Mary Jane and Peter Parker to stick together would advocate for the latter to "grow old and die"? [[spoiler:Towards the end of ''The Amazing Spider Man'' comic book, he does just that - albeit in the body and consciousness of Doctor Octopus, who takes over his form.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: Or maybe FunnyAneurysmMoment, hard to say. This isn't the only time they tried to "un-marry" Spider-Man - the [[DorkAge Clone Saga]] was originally supposed to be this. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen One of the ways they were going to fix that mess]] was to reveal the whole saga was a contest between the characters Judas Traveller and Scrier, the latter of whom turns out to be, you got it, ''Mephisto!'' Who would have put Spider-Man in a ShaggyDogStory StableTimeLoop just so he could claim Judas Traveller's soul. As the [[WordOfGod person who had the idea put it]] [[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html here]]:
--> It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story - he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!
** And for the record, this comment was made ''before'' ''One More Day'' occurred. Start laughing or weeping, true believers!

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* HarsherInHindsight: Remember how Joe Quesada [[DiggingYourselfDeeper infamously said that]] people who wanted Mary Jane and Peter Parker to stick together would advocate for the latter to "grow old and die"? [[spoiler:Towards the end of ''The Amazing Spider Man'' Spider-Man'' comic book, he does just that - albeit that--albeit in the body and consciousness of Doctor Octopus, who takes over his form.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: Or maybe FunnyAneurysmMoment, hard to say. This isn't the only time they tried to "un-marry" Spider-Man - the Spider-Man--the [[DorkAge Clone Saga]] was originally supposed to be this. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen One of the ways they were going to fix that mess]] was to reveal the whole saga was a contest between the characters Judas Traveller and Scrier, the latter of whom turns out to be, you got it, ''Mephisto!'' Who would have put Spider-Man in a ShaggyDogStory StableTimeLoop just so he could claim Judas Traveller's soul. As the [[WordOfGod person who had the idea put it]] [[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html here]]:
--> It -->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story - he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!
either!"
** And for the record, this comment was made ''before'' '''before''' ''One More Day'' occurred. Start laughing or weeping, true believers!



--> '''Bob Chipman''': So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now... Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of blinking some bridal photos out of existence. Aaah... Ouch? I guess? [[WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]]

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--> '''Bob Chipman''': -->'''Bob Chipman:''' So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now... Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of blinking some bridal photos out of existence. Aaah... Ouch? I guess? [[WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]]



** Or another take on Quesada's statements is that she's the hero because Mephisto is denied his prize thanks to her - which would have also happened if ''she didn't take the deal in the first place''. (Also, it shouldn't be that easy to [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu Scam the Devil]].)
*** Another take on it is that it was Quesada trying to save face with the story. OMD was meant to break up what he believed to be an unpopular pairing, with the general impression that the fanbase would be more than accepting of the change and would be OK seeing MJ take a reduced role in the series. To say the opposite happened would be an understatement. So the rationale that MJ was "the hero" of the story- which was made around the time of OMIT- was a way to try and save face with the story and make it seem like the controversial story was a victory for MJ rather than a defeat.

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** Or another take on Quesada's statements is that she's the hero because Mephisto is denied his prize thanks to her - which her--which would have also happened if ''she didn't take the deal in the first place''. (Also, it shouldn't be that easy to [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu Scam the Devil]].)
*** Another take on it is that it was Quesada trying to save face with the story. OMD was meant to break up what he believed to be an unpopular pairing, with the general impression that the fanbase would be more than accepting of the change and would be OK seeing MJ take a reduced role in the series. To say the opposite happened would be an understatement. So the rationale that MJ was "the hero" of the story- which story--which was made around the time of OMIT- was OMIT--was a way to try and save face with the story and make it seem like the controversial story was a victory for MJ rather than a defeat.



* {{Padding}}: To the point that a really, really vitriolic [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode review]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall one of the comic's greatest detractors]], says that the first three issues don't have much occurring and suggests for a DrinkingGame "take a shot every time 'pointless' is said in this review".

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* {{Padding}}: To the point that a really, really vitriolic [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode review]] by [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall one of the comic's greatest detractors]], detractors]] says that the first three issues don't have much occurring and suggests for a DrinkingGame "take a shot every time 'pointless' is said in this review".
4th Nov '16 6:20:51 AM NightShade96
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* AbandonShipping: Averted... or rather, this comic [[EpicFail spectacularly failed to do so in spite of this being the intent]]. Not only Peter/Mary Jane shippers didn't decrease their support nor number, but they became more devoted than ever before. The ship even ''gained'' some supporters out of sheer spite!

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* AbandonShipping: Averted... or rather, this comic [[EpicFail spectacularly failed to do so in spite of this being the intent]]. Not only did the Peter/Mary Jane shippers didn't not decrease their support nor number, but they became more devoted than ever before. The ship even ''gained'' some supporters out of sheer spite!
23rd Oct '16 2:39:11 PM N8han11
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** Mephisto: Trying to induce suffering on two truly in love people by destroying it? Trying to off Peter and Mary Jane's kids using the marriage excuse to throw them off? Has ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}esque fourth wall breaking powers, and is doing this to piss off the fans? Or has no motivations of his own because he's just an AuthorAvatar for...
** Creator/JoeQuesada: Genuinely trying to free up Spider-Man for new storyline possibilities (albeit through a less than satisfying manner)? Trying to live vicariously through a character he grew up with and he wishes he could be (filtered through his own view as how he should be)? Or a living incarnation of both maliciousness and hackery?

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** Mephisto: Trying to induce suffering on two truly in love people by destroying it? Trying to off Peter and Mary Jane's kids using the marriage excuse to throw them off? Has ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}esque fourth wall breaking powers, and is doing this to piss off the fans? Or has no motivations of his own because he's just an AuthorAvatar for...
** Creator/JoeQuesada: Genuinely trying to free up Spider-Man for new storyline possibilities (albeit through a less than satisfying manner)? Trying to live vicariously through a character he grew up with and he wishes he could be (filtered through his own view as how he should be)? Or a living incarnation of both maliciousness and hackery?
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22nd Oct '16 12:23:37 PM DarthHowie
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** Renew Your Vows has been turned into an ongoing AlternateUniverse in 2016 with Gerry Conway writing and Ryan Stegman pencilling.
18th Aug '16 3:08:46 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* VillainDecay: As ''The Escapist[='=]s'' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2501-The-Devil-Mr-Parker The Big Picture]] puts it, what does the Devil get out of this, other than the satisfaction of erasing some wedding pictures from existence? Plus his actions brought Harry Osborn back, giving a damned soul a chance at redemption and a better life. As one troper put it, "Methinks that Mephisto would cure cancer just to hear a doctor grumbling about losing work". Furthermore, according to Quesada under the CanonDiscontinuity section in the main page, Mephisto ''lost'' to someone who had no idea what she was doing. WordOfGod is that Harry would have come back regardless of what Mephisto did (on account of NotQuiteDead being in play); which makes Mephisto less foolish in that area, but also means that his deal looks like it had no effect whatsoever- which, as WordOfGod also says, ''it didn't''. Mephisto literally did nothing except undo the marriage- everything else, even saving Aunt May and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone, was done by other characters. Considering that Mephisto canonically defeated Doctor Doom '''every single year for an undisclosed number of years''' when the latter fought to reclaim his mother's soul (and Mephisto managed to even turn that into a BittersweetEnding)... yeah, VillainDecay doesn't begin to describe this. He has just been turned into a plot device to cause an ultimately ''very'' minor shift in the status quo.
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