History YMMV / OldWorldofDarkness

29th Jun '16 9:03:47 PM Dee_Dee
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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.

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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them The Ancient in question was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.
29th Jun '16 9:02:23 PM Dee_Dee
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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.
20th Jun '16 5:39:57 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* GodModeSue[=/=]VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.* NightmareFuel: Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.

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* GodModeSue[=/=]VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.ashtray.
* NightmareFuel: Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.
20th Jun '16 5:39:31 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* NightmareFuel: Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.

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* GodModeSue[=/=]VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.* NightmareFuel: Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.



* VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.
20th Jun '16 5:30:03 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.
3rd Apr '16 9:52:58 AM Dee_Dee
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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}}provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how role play offensive stereotypes.

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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}}provide [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how role play offensive stereotypes.
3rd Apr '16 9:51:16 AM Dee_Dee
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*BaseBreaker: The MetaPlot. Even now almost ten years after the fact the fanbase is STILL split as to whether or not it made the setting as a whole more interesting, or [[{{RailRoading}} unnecessarily shoehorned players and storytellers to utilize rules updates that reflect the changes to the setting]] just to buy more books or worse, [[{{DroppedABridgeOnHim}} out right destroyed many intersting player options and NPCs]] [[{{StuffedInTheFridge}} just to create drama and angst.]] This has led to [[{{InternetBackdraft}} full on edition wars]] because of it.
**Revised Era is generally agreed to be the worst offender, as while many enjoyed the mechanical changes, others thought they were needless complications (especially to the already bulky combat rules) such as the division of Bashing/Lethal/Aggravated damage rules and the dice splitting systems.
**Crossovers between the games are this as well. White Wolf was notorious for providing ways that games could crossover while being extremely unhelpful when it came to to actually place their ruels or cosmologies together in a single cross over game. This has led to a sizeable number of fans who outright refuse to use the splats as written in one game interact with another as written in its own corebook. Such as The Garou from ''TableTopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' interacting with Awakened Magi from ''TableTopGame/MageTheAscension''. While others very much enjoy being able to play a Dreamspeaker mage fighting alongside (or against) a Silver Fang.
3rd Apr '16 9:29:02 AM Dee_Dee
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*OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}}provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how role play offensive stereotypes.
31st Dec '15 2:14:55 AM MagBas
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* CanonSue: Strong presence of {{Canon Sue}}s is responsible for many of the negative reactions to the old WOD's metaplot.
** The most hated example was probably [[VillainSue Samuel Haight]]. Many people vilified him for turning from an almost normal human to, in effect, a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot ghoul-werewolf-true mage]] combination, breaking quite a few of the rules that [[HybridOverkillAvoidance forbid such hijinks to player characters]] in the process. Then the authors made him an [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption untouchable, unstoppable villain]] in adventures where he appears, going as far as specifically reminding gamemasters to save his bacon from the fire at all costs if players manage to corner him somehow. No wonder that almost everyone hated Sam Haight. [[AuthorsSavingThrow When authors finally figured this out, they killed him by an overpowered vampire, turned him into a normal run-of-the-mill wraith after death]] [[AndIMustScream and got him soulforged into an ashtray]] instead of giving players an opportunity to get the bastard. Only in W20 did Onyx Path make an adventure where his [[TheDragon second-in-command]] becomes a much-weaker reincarnation that players could [[CatharsisFactor finally kill]].
*** Also, there's the literal part of the Curse of Caine - the whole sevenfold vengeance thing causes any victory to become an [[OneHitKill instant 700% backlash against the victor]].



* VillainSue: the Old WOD was often heavily criticised for having incredibly overpowered antagonists and side characters, who had the potential to [[{{GMPC}} make the players irrelevant]]. Samuel Haight was the worst: the books actually told Storytellers to make sure that the [=PCs=] don't have a chance to defeat him.
10th Sep '14 6:01:45 AM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: ''World of Darkness: Gypsies'' portrayed the Roma peoples as having magical powers tied to how "pure" their blood was.
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