History YMMV / OldWorldofDarkness

27th Mar '18 2:36:53 PM SorPepita
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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[EthnicScrappy World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[UnfortunateImplications provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes. It's been described as like releasing a supplement in which African-Americans get magic powers from eating fried chicken and listening exclusively to gangster rap.

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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[EthnicScrappy World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans caravans, wear scarfs and bright colors, [[UnfortunateImplications provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those who wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes. It's been described as like releasing a supplement in which African-Americans get magic powers from eating fried chicken and listening exclusively to gangster rap.
27th Mar '18 2:35:31 PM SorPepita
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** Crossovers between the games are this as well. White Wolf was notorious for providing ways that games could crossover while being extremely unhelpful when it came to to actually place their ruels or cosmologies together in a single cross over game. This has led to a sizeable number of fans who outright refuse to use the splats as written in one game interact with another as written in its own corebook. Such as The Garou from ''TableTopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' interacting with Awakened Magi from ''TableTopGame/MageTheAscension''. While others very much enjoy being able to play a Dreamspeaker mage fighting alongside (or against) a Silver Fang.

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** Crossovers between the games are this as well. White Wolf was notorious for providing ways that games could crossover while being extremely unhelpful when it came to to actually place their ruels rules or cosmologies together in a single cross over game. This has led to a sizeable number of fans who outright refuse to use the splats as written in one game interact with another as written in its own corebook. Such as The Garou from ''TableTopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' interacting with Awakened Magi from ''TableTopGame/MageTheAscension''. While others very much enjoy being able to play a Dreamspeaker mage fighting alongside (or against) a Silver Fang.
2nd Mar '18 9:48:26 AM Dee_Dee
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*** More specific examples from [=oWoD=]: the Nosferatu, the Nicktuku (NightmareFuel ''even to the Nosferatu''), Followers of Set, the Giovanni, the Tzimisce and (to some extent) the Malkavians in ''Vampire'', the Bane Mummies in ''Werewolf'' and the Earthbound (and pretty much ''any'' high-Torment fallen) in ''Demon''.

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*** More specific examples from [=oWoD=]: the Nosferatu, the Nicktuku (NightmareFuel ''even to the Nosferatu''), Followers of Set, the Giovanni, the Tzimisce and (to some extent) the Malkavians in ''Vampire'', the Bane Mummies Banes, Fomori and Blackspiral Dancers in ''Werewolf'' and the Earthbound (and pretty much ''any'' high-Torment fallen) in ''Demon''.
28th Feb '18 6:35:28 AM ErikModi
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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[EthnicScrappy World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[UnfortunateImplications provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes.

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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[EthnicScrappy World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[UnfortunateImplications provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes. It's been described as like releasing a supplement in which African-Americans get magic powers from eating fried chicken and listening exclusively to gangster rap.
28th Jan '18 5:27:39 PM ThallianGold
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Malkavians originally had Dominate, not Dementation, in the first edition, highlighting that the Camarilla Malkavians controlled minds while Sabbat's antitribu Malkavians broke them. Despite this, Dementation was popular among the players, leading to a table rule that players could choose either. In Revised edition, Dementation replaced Domination outright for the Camarilla Malkavians, enshrining the house rule and explaining it as the antitribu Malks pulling a massive prank that reawakened the true insanity of the clan.
19th Mar '17 9:50:51 AM nombretomado
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* BrokenBase: The MetaPlot. Even now almost ten years after the fact the fanbase is STILL split as to whether or not it made the setting as a whole more interesting, or [[{{RailRoading}} unnecessarily shoehorned players and storytellers to utilize rules updates that reflect the changes to the setting]] just to buy more books or worse, [[{{DroppedABridgeOnHim}} out right destroyed many intersting player options and NPCs]] [[{{StuffedInTheFridge}} just to create drama and angst.]] This has led to [[{{InternetBackdraft}} full on edition wars]] because of it.

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The MetaPlot. Even now almost ten years after the fact the fanbase is STILL split as to whether or not it made the setting as a whole more interesting, or [[{{RailRoading}} [[{{Railroading}} unnecessarily shoehorned players and storytellers to utilize rules updates that reflect the changes to the setting]] just to buy more books or worse, [[{{DroppedABridgeOnHim}} [[DroppedABridgeOnHim out right destroyed many intersting interesting player options and NPCs]] [[{{StuffedInTheFridge}} [[StuffedInTheFridge just to create drama and angst.]] This has led to [[{{InternetBackdraft}} [[InternetBackdraft full on edition wars]] because of it.



* ContinuityLockOut: As time went on, the backstory became increasingly thick and convoluted. The {{Metaplot}} did not help matters. The NewWorldOfDarkness was created because this issue began negatively affecting sales.

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* ContinuityLockOut: As time went on, the backstory became increasingly thick and convoluted. The {{Metaplot}} did not help matters. The NewWorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness was created because this issue began negatively affecting sales.



* NightmareFuel: Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.
*** More specific examples from oWoD: the Nosferatu, the Nicktuku (NightmareFuel ''even to the Nosferatu''), Followers of Set, the Giovanni, the Tzimisce and (to some extent) the Malkavians in ''Vampire'', the Bane Mummies in ''Werewolf'' and the Earthbound (and pretty much ''any'' high-Torment fallen) in ''Demon''.
* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes.

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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Specific examples in the Old WOD: the Baali and the Sabbat in ''Vampire'', the Black Spiral Dancers and the Wyrm in ''Werewolf'', the Nephandi and Marauders in ''Mage'', the Spectres and Oblivion in ''Wraith'', the Shadow Court in ''Changeling'', the Akuma and Yama Kings in ''Kindred Of The East''... It's pretty much easier mentioning which factions are NOT NightmareFuel.
*** More specific examples from oWoD: [=oWoD=]: the Nosferatu, the Nicktuku (NightmareFuel ''even to the Nosferatu''), Followers of Set, the Giovanni, the Tzimisce and (to some extent) the Malkavians in ''Vampire'', the Bane Mummies in ''Werewolf'' and the Earthbound (and pretty much ''any'' high-Torment fallen) in ''Demon''.
* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} [[EthnicScrappy World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} [[UnfortunateImplications provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes.
18th Aug '16 10:55:23 PM GoldenKeyblade
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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how role play offensive stereotypes.

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* OldShame: Has an entire supplement as one in the form of [[{{EthnicScrappy}} World of Darkness: Gypsies]]. The goal of the book was to give the players the feel of the mythical Gypsies from the old Hammer/Universal Studios horror movies set in the modern day. The kind that travel around in caravans wear scarfs and bright colors, [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} provide "exotic" romances, trick people and steal their stuff, and deliver terrible curses on those wrong them...]] Never mind the fact that Romani are actual real life people and the supplement as a whole kind of read more like a primer on how to role play offensive stereotypes.
4th Jul '16 2:39:23 PM Silverblade2
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* BaseBreaker: The MetaPlot. Even now almost ten years after the fact the fanbase is STILL split as to whether or not it made the setting as a whole more interesting, or [[{{RailRoading}} unnecessarily shoehorned players and storytellers to utilize rules updates that reflect the changes to the setting]] just to buy more books or worse, [[{{DroppedABridgeOnHim}} out right destroyed many intersting player options and NPCs]] [[{{StuffedInTheFridge}} just to create drama and angst.]] This has led to [[{{InternetBackdraft}} full on edition wars]] because of it.

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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: The MetaPlot. Even now almost ten years after the fact the fanbase is STILL split as to whether or not it made the setting as a whole more interesting, or [[{{RailRoading}} unnecessarily shoehorned players and storytellers to utilize rules updates that reflect the changes to the setting]] just to buy more books or worse, [[{{DroppedABridgeOnHim}} out right destroyed many intersting player options and NPCs]] [[{{StuffedInTheFridge}} just to create drama and angst.]] This has led to [[{{InternetBackdraft}} full on edition wars]] because of it.



* GodModeSue[=/=]VillainSue: Samuel Haight, a werewolf[=/=]ghoul[=/=]mage with nigh immunity to Paradox and the ability to VillainExitStageLeft at the end of an adventure. He's often considered the pinnacle of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinry]]. The writers eventually wised up and gave him a TakeThatScrappy ending: An artifact he was using exploded due to Paradox, killing him and sending him to [[TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion the Shadowlands]], where he was soulforged into an ashtray.
** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . The Ancient in question was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.
29th Jun '16 9:03:47 PM Dee_Dee
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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.

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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them The Ancient in question was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.
29th Jun '16 9:02:23 PM Dee_Dee
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** The Antediluvians probably count as well. Their powers are literally described as 'plot devise' and their coming is often described as TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Just one of them was enough to kick start [[{{CrisisCrossover}} world changing events for several game lines]] . One of them was depicted waging a war against werewolves, spirits, ancient vampires and taking [[{{TheresNoKillLikeOverkill}} three freaking nukes to the face]] and still kept going. Compare that to the average player character and its starts looking pretty suetiful.
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