History YMMV / OldKingdom

26th Oct '16 11:04:16 AM vren55
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* IronWoobie: Considering how much conflict and personal insecurity issues Lirael has to struggle though and how it's evident she still bears the weight of the self-depreciation of her upbringing, Lirael may be one of these.
27th Jul '16 12:21:15 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Clariel. Some people love her as one of the few examples of an Asexual in literature and find her realistically flawed and her StartOfDarkness plausible. Other readers find her flaws unsympathetic and frustrating to read. It doesn't help that she's very different from Sabriel and Lirael.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Clariel. Some people love her as one of the few examples of an Asexual in literature and find her realistically flawed and her StartOfDarkness plausible. Other readers find her flaws unsympathetic and frustrating to read. It doesn't help that she's very different from Sabriel and Lirael.



* {{Magnificent Bastard}}: Depending on either your opinion of Mogget, or where you are in the series. Mogget does [[CharacterDevelopment get better]], mostly over the course of the third book. But even though Mogget can be quite caustic when he is criticizing the plans and plots of several characters, or griping about his slavery or the incompetency of his keepers, he both does his part when crisis strikes and sometimes does things that are not required of him. [[spoiler: And at the very end, when those who are standing in for the original Seven are just about to falter, Mogget steps in and adds his power to the binding and helps to save the world.]]

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* {{Magnificent Bastard}}: Depending on either your opinion of Mogget, or where you are in the series. Mogget does [[CharacterDevelopment get better]], mostly over the course of the third book. But even though Mogget can be quite caustic when he is criticizing the plans and plots of several characters, or griping about his slavery or the incompetency of his keepers, he both does his part when crisis strikes and sometimes does things that are not required of him. [[spoiler: And at the very end, when those who are standing in for the original Seven are just about to falter, Mogget steps in and adds his power to the binding and helps to save the world.]]
10th Jan '16 7:22:18 PM darkabomination
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* AwesomenessWithdrawal: The books are beloved by those that have read them, but the long gaps in installments prevent the fanbase from being too enthusiastic about the series in general.
3rd Oct '15 11:50:35 AM JustCause
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* BaseBreaker: Clariel. Some people love her as one of the few examples of an Asexual in literature and find her realistically flawed and her StartOfDarkness plausible. Other readers find her flaws unsympathetic and frustrating to read. It doesn't help that she's very different from Sabriel and Lirael.
8th Sep '15 6:37:23 PM MURPHYCHACHO
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: In ''Sabriel'', Sabriel wonders at one point if she might find sisters among the Clayr. [[spoiler: She later does find a sister raised among the Clayr: Lirael.]]
2nd Jun '14 7:20:17 PM MasterGhandalf
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** Hedge, a once ordinary soldier who became willing to do anything to avoid death, even throw in with the series' equivalent of the Devil to do so. He manipulates and sacrifices Nick, and helps arrange the genocide of a refugee group to create Orannis' army.
9th May '14 7:39:39 AM LondonPurple
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** Hedge, a once ordinary soldier who became willing to do anything to avoid death, even throw in with the series' equivalent of the Devil to do so. He manipulates and sacrifices Nick, and helps arrange the genocide of a refugee group to create Orannis' army.
19th Feb '14 8:42:43 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Kerrigor, who slaughtered his own family in order to become a Greater Dead, and only gets worse from that point onwards, destroying most of the Old Kingdom in order to feed his hunger, trapping the Abhorsen in death, and butchering dozens of soldiers on his way into the "real" world.

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* CompleteMonster: Kerrigor, who slaughtered After Kerrigor aka [[spoiler:[[TheEvilPrince Prince Rogirek]]]] became one of the [[OurLichesAreDifferent Greater Dead]], he tricked his own family half-brother into [[spoiler: helping him murder their mother and their sisters]] in order for Kerrigor to become a Greater Dead, and only gets worse use their blood to shatter the Charter Stones protecting the kingdom from that point onwards, destroying most of the dead. Defeated and driven deep into death, Kerrigor's actions nevertheless destroyed The Old Kingdom in order Kingdom, allowing all manner of TheUndead free access to feed his hunger, trapping the world over the next several hundred years, while he waited for the chance to break free. Kidnapping the infant Sabriel, Kerrigor took her deep into death as part of a plot to blackmail her father, The Abhorsen, into freeing him. Years later, he traps The Abhorsen himself in death, Death and butchering dozens breaks free into the world of the living. He then tries to capture Sabriel and his revived half-brother as part of a plan to shatter the remaining Charter Stones. When this fails after The Abhorsen's [[spoiler:HeroicSacrifice]], Kerrigor re-emerges from Death and leads a massive army of undead across the wall and into a girl's school, killing soldiers on his way and students alike, before devouring Sabriel's FriendlyEnemy, Mogget, alive and finally forcing Sabriel herself into [[spoiler:a MutualKill]]. Obsessed with power and staying alive no matter what the "real" world.cost to others, Kerrigor is the worst that the realm of the Dead has to offer.
20th Feb '13 10:04:55 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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* {{MagnificentBastard}}: Depending on either your opinion of Mogget, or where you are in the series. Mogget does [[CharacterDevelopment get better]], mostly over the course of the third book. But even though Mogget can be quite caustic when he is criticizing the plans and plots of several characters, or griping about his slavery or the incompetency of his keepers, he both does his part when crisis strikes and sometimes does things that are not required of him. [[spoiler: And at the very end, when those who are standing in for the original Seven are just about to falter, Mogget steps in and adds his power to the binding and helps to save the world.]]

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* {{MagnificentBastard}}: CompleteMonster: Kerrigor, who slaughtered his own family in order to become a Greater Dead, and only gets worse from that point onwards, destroying most of the Old Kingdom in order to feed his hunger, trapping the Abhorsen in death, and butchering dozens of soldiers on his way into the "real" world.
* {{Magnificent Bastard}}:
Depending on either your opinion of Mogget, or where you are in the series. Mogget does [[CharacterDevelopment get better]], mostly over the course of the third book. But even though Mogget can be quite caustic when he is criticizing the plans and plots of several characters, or griping about his slavery or the incompetency of his keepers, he both does his part when crisis strikes and sometimes does things that are not required of him. [[spoiler: And at the very end, when those who are standing in for the original Seven are just about to falter, Mogget steps in and adds his power to the binding and helps to save the world.]]
19th Nov '12 6:21:06 PM PaulA
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: [[spoiler: Sabriel takes down Kerrigor.]]
** And [[spoiler: the binding of Orannis, [[DarkestHour almost]] from beginning to end.]]
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: ''[[SapientShip Finder]]'' splashing Mogget, [[{{Troll}} who had just found a dry spot on the boat.]]
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: The Disreputable Dog [[spoiler: sends Nick back to Life]] -- doing triple duty as a Crowner of Funny ''and'' Awesome.
--> '''[[spoiler: Nick]]''': Wait - is this allowed?
--> '''Disreputable Dog''': ({{Beat}}) No. But then, I am the ''Dis''reputable Dog.
* FridgeBrilliance: This falls into the category of "Blindingly obvious once you realize it," but the reason Sam has so much trouble trying to read ''The Book of the Dead'' isn't just PTSD regarding anything to do with Death, it's that [[spoiler:the Book can only be opened by someone with a natural talent for Free Magic and necromancy. ''Sam doesn't have one'']]
** [[spoiler: Actually, Sam does have some talent for it, as he is capable of crossing into death, but he just wasn't meant to be the Abhorsen-in-waiting, and the book knows it]].
** Although this could also fall into "Blindingly obvious", Lirael reading about the panpipes in ''The Book of Remembrance and Forgetting''. "Though generally the instrument of a Remembrancer, the pipes are not infrequently used by Abhorsens-in-Waiting, till they succeed to their bells." [[spoiler: Which is ''precisely'' what happens to Lirael at the end of the book, when she discovers she is an Abhorsen rather than a Clayr - she succeeds to the bells. And, given what we know about Remembrancers, it seems likely that this has happened before.]]
* FridgeHorror: The Dead themselves. The protagonists are always talking about innocent people being killed and having their spirits enslaved and hoping like heck it doesn't happen to them, but it's all too easy to forget that a lot of the baddies that are doing things of their own relatively free will, all the Greater Dead, ''used to be human as well.''



* TearJerker: Mogget gives Lirael the message from [[spoiler: her mother.]] And one book later, Lirael loses [[spoiler: her first friend, the Dog.]]
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