History YMMV / OgreBattle

22nd Sep '17 2:11:08 PM chasemaddigan
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* CompleteMonster: Death Master Nybbas Obderhode is a completely fucked up person. When his son Debordes was executed by Barbatos for rebelling, Nybbas made his corpse a guinea pig for his necromancy research, turning him into a walking corpse. While he serves Barbatos, he couldn't care less on who wins just so long he can continue his research about necromancy, with no regards of souls of the dead or living. No wonder [[IHateYouVampireDad his priestly daughter Orias hate him so much...]] And if you think he's not THAT bad... then his MoralEventHorizon would be [[spoiler:him zombifying of Guildus]] in Neutral route. And if you go to the other route, he [[spoiler:zombifies Leonard and Zaebos]]. The Chaotic route of the PSP remake ''ramps this UpToEleven'' with his treatment to his daughter Cressida. Of most Tactics Ogre villains... Nybbas tops in the 'evil' department.
** Cardinal Barbatos orders the ethnic cleansing of Walsta/Walister and institutes ''concentration camps'' such as Baramus / ''forced slave labor camps'' such as Balmamusa If that wasn't really the cinch of it, Jenounes' backstory also cements him as one. He ordered the massacre of Oxyones' village on Jenounes' squadron on the claim that they were cultists, but in truth they just stored anti-Barbatos movement and overall innocent. And then there's the fact that he executed Debordes just because he's part of anti-Barbatos movement, enabling Nybbas to do his way with him. And he's still ''lightweight'' compared to Nybbas...
16th Oct '16 10:37:07 AM nombretomado
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** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes, you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.

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** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes, you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics mini-[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.
15th Apr '14 12:06:21 AM Ramidel
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** Why can't you advance from Wizard to Mage in the original if your alignment is too low? Because wizardry is demonic magic, and EvilIsNotAToy. If you hit rock bottom on the Alignment scale before you're ready to become a mage, you can't advance and negotiate a better DealWithTheDevil, because the demons control ''you'', not the other way around.
* GameBreaker: Princess+Lich. The Princess gets two White hit-all attacks, the Lich gets four hit-all spells that can be anything except White. Add a cleric class for a medic and a High Sky monster to carry the unit, and watch it tear anything and everything that opposes it to shreds. Just remember to watch your KarmaMeter.
** Alternatively, you can ditch the cleric for another lich/sorcerer/muse/doll master and put some undead in front of the unit to tank instead of the high flying monster. Undead are completely invulnerable to anything that isn't white magic or healing (although that kills them incredibly quickly), so the unit has a lot of survivability even without a healer. You do lose some maneuverability, though, but your [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill increased damage output]] would be worth it if there was anything that could survive the Princess+Lich combination in the first place.
** Alternatively, since most bosses towards the later half of the game are low alignment and thus more vulnerable to white magic, Princess + 2 Seraphim with your choice of unit to do the tanking (Platinium Dragon anyone?) means a veritable hailstorm of white magic hit-all attacks.
** Haborym in Tactics Ogre may count as well. He's a good Swordmaster, but due to his initially high Dexterity (and high growth too), all his status magic has high chance of hitting. So give him a Petrify (even if he has Fire affinity), and watch your enemies turn to stone with nobody to cure it.

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** Why can't you advance from Wizard to Mage in the original if your alignment is too low? Because wizardry is demonic magic, and EvilIsNotAToy. If you hit rock bottom on the Alignment scale before you're ready to become a mage, you can't advance and negotiate a better DealWithTheDevil, because the demons control ''you'', not the other way around.
* GameBreaker: Princess+Lich. The Princess gets two White hit-all attacks, the Lich gets four hit-all spells that can be anything except White. Add a cleric class for a medic and a High Sky monster to carry the unit, and watch it tear anything and everything that opposes it to shreds. Just remember to watch your KarmaMeter.
** Alternatively, you can ditch the cleric for another lich/sorcerer/muse/doll master and put some undead in front of the unit to tank instead of the high flying monster. Undead are completely invulnerable to anything that isn't white magic or healing (although that kills them incredibly quickly), so the unit has a lot of survivability even without a healer. You do lose some maneuverability, though, but your [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill increased damage output]] would be worth it if there was anything that could survive the Princess+Lich combination in the first place.
** Alternatively, since most bosses towards the later half of the game are low alignment and thus more vulnerable to white magic, Princess + 2 Seraphim with your choice of unit to do the tanking (Platinium Dragon anyone?) means a veritable hailstorm of white magic hit-all attacks.
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** Haborym in Tactics Ogre may count as well.count. He's a good Swordmaster, but due to his initially high Dexterity (and high growth too), all his status magic has high chance of hitting. So give him a Petrify (even if he has Fire affinity), and watch your enemies turn to stone with nobody to cure it.



* MagnificentBastard: Baldwin Glendale. Dude like ''defines'' this trope.
** Also [[spoiler: Rashidi from the same game. If the player's Chaos Frame is low enough, they receive a special ending which implies the entire game was just one massive ploy on his part so he could be resurrected.]]



* TearJerker: Due to the limitations of story views, the original game only has ''POSSIBLE'' TearJerker. Including Yushis vs Mizal, as well as Rauny vs Hikash.
** Tactics Ogre, however, plays this one rather straight with Plancy's death and Denim convincing Kachua, [[spoiler:to not take her her own life. Or slaying Guildus in the Neutral route. Or Lans Hamilton's final fate]].

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* TearJerker: Due to the limitations of story views, the original game only has ''POSSIBLE'' TearJerker. Including Yushis vs Mizal, as well as Rauny vs Hikash.
TearJerker:
** Tactics Ogre, however, Ogre plays this one rather straight with Plancy's death and Denim convincing Kachua, [[spoiler:to not take her her own life. Or slaying Guildus in the Neutral route. Or Lans Hamilton's final fate]].fate]].
** There's also the canon ending for Tactics Ogre: The Knight Of Lodis. See the DownerEnding above.



** There's also the canon ending for Tactics Ogre: The Knight Of Lodis. See the DownerEnding above.
10th Jun '13 5:58:33 PM TVRulezAgain
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** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are pretty much every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes, you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.

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** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are pretty much every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes, you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.



* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:For the Tactics Ogre PSP remake, if you choose the Chaos route... Vyce will kill the new girl Ravness ''right off bat''. Which is basically: Pick who's gonna die, Ravness (and Ozma later) or Sisteena & Selye.]]

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* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:For the Tactics Ogre PSP remake, if you choose the Chaos route... Vyce will kill the new girl Ravness ''right off bat''. Which is basically: is: Pick who's gonna die, Ravness (and Ozma later) or Sisteena & Selye.]]



** Also, Andoras mentions a lot of stuff such as how he is a member of the Nirdam royal family but it's not elaborated too much in the game. (Heck, these details are introduced ''in the final dungeon'', and only if you have certain party members in the battle!)

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** Also, Andoras mentions a lot of stuff such as how he is a member of the Nirdam royal family but it's not elaborated too much in the game. (Heck, these (These details are introduced ''in the final dungeon'', and only if you have certain party members in the battle!)
13th Feb '12 7:58:36 PM Ghilz
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* HoYay: Magnus and Yumil in OgreBattle64.

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* HoYay: Magnus and Yumil in OgreBattle64.Videogame/{{OgreBattle 64}}.
24th Jan '12 12:59:52 PM Venatius
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* FridgeBrilliance: Why is Shiven so OutOfFocus if you take the "B" path in ''Knight of Lodis'', whereas the other mutually exclusive character (Orson) gets closure? It's actually a justified example of "OutOfFocus", since he's a ninja who was hired to spy for Cybil - so he was actually ''intentionally'' off-screen.
** Why does Vyce have such drastic personality shifts depending on your participation in the Balmamusa massacre? Simple: because his jealousy is a two-way street, even when he makes the "good" choice not to join in on the massacre.
** Why can't you advance from Wizard to Mage in the original if your alignment is too low? Because wizardry is demonic magic, and EvilIsNotAToy. If you hit rock bottom on the Alignment scale before you're ready to become a mage, you can't advance and negotiate a better DealWithTheDevil, because the demons control ''you'', not the other way around.


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* HoYay: Magnus and Yumil in OgreBattle64.
5th Nov '11 6:43:14 PM Angeldeb82
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Tactics Ogre, recruiting Shelley. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CMlO5mPTM Here, with voices]].



* EvilIsSexy: In ''Let Us Cling Together'', Shelly is one of the sisters who started out on the evil side... and is the only one who's got that AbsoluteCleavage displayed. Though she can turn good later
* EvilIsSexy: Deneb, Endora.

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* EvilIsSexy: In ''Let Us Cling Together'', Shelly is one of the sisters who started out on the evil side... and is the only one who's got that AbsoluteCleavage displayed. Though she can turn good later
* EvilIsSexy:
later.
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Deneb, Endora.



** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are pretty much every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.

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** Tactics Ogre...where to begin? Archers are almost game breaking from the beginning, what with extended range on high ground and no counter attacks. But more likely offenders are pretty much every single thing found in [[BonusDungeon Hell Gate]]. Dragon magic hits every enemy on the map, or creates grossly overpowered swords, or lets you infinitely reset a character to lvl 1 without losing stats (yes (yes, you can repeat this for unlimited stats), etc. If you even get partly into Hell Gate the end battles will be easier than the first battle in the game as a result of all the game breaking booty you acquire. Canopus in ''Let Us Cling Together, moreso in the PSP version since Archers got toned down. Canopus flies, is an extreme crack shot and has an overall powerful stats, including good dodging rate. He's been called a mini-[[FinalFantasyTactics Orlandu]] this way.way.
* SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}: Tactics Ogre, recruiting Shelley. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CMlO5mPTM Here, with voices]].



** In Tactics Ogre, some of the bosses may make you think MyGodWhatHaveIDone. Not only do you wind up accidentally fighting your own countrymen if you screw up, but a couple death quotes may be sad. For example, one boss dies and mentions that he can't get medicine for his sick daughter now. You find someone wants revenge for killing her husband awhile ago... and starts off by stating that she's ''pregnant'', so you're killing her and her baby. Oh, and the wife's an optional battle, but avoid that, and in Chapter 4, you'll be notified that Sisteena (the girl who briefly appeared in Chapter 1) was Olivia's sister and that wife was holding her captive, sold her to someone and she got killed.

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** In Tactics Ogre, some of the bosses may make you think MyGodWhatHaveIDone. "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" Not only do you wind up accidentally fighting your own countrymen if you screw up, but a couple death quotes may be sad. For example, one boss dies and mentions that he can't get medicine for his sick daughter now. You find someone wants revenge for killing her husband awhile ago... and starts off by stating that she's ''pregnant'', so you're killing her and her baby. Oh, and the wife's an optional battle, but avoid that, and in Chapter 4, you'll be notified that Sisteena (the girl who briefly appeared in Chapter 1) was Olivia's sister and that wife was holding her captive, sold her to someone and she got killed.



* TheScrappy: A lot of Tactics Ogre player really dislike Kachua for her rather excessive amount of {{Wangst}}. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Players only look at her better when she eventually]] [[CharacterDevelopment matures up]] and becomes a GameBreaker.



* TheScrappy: A lot of Tactics Ogre player really dislike Kachua for her rather excessive amount of {{Wangst}}. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Players only look at her better when she eventually]] [[CharacterDevelopment matures up]] and becomes a GameBreaker.



** There's also the canon ending for Tactics Ogre: The Knight Of Lodis. See the DownerEnding above.
* TheWoobie - [[spoiler:Chaotic route in ''Let Us Cling Together''. Just when Ravness could've followed things right with her heart, Leonard reveals her half-Gargastan route... then Vice kills her on spot. You'll probably feel sorry for her at that point.]]
** [[spoiler: It’s hard not to feel sorry for Cressida in the chaotic route. Not only does she lose her sister, mother, and possible brother-in-law from war, her father doesn’t seem the least bit concerned about it. While Nybbas’ two other children have each other, Cressida is all alone with no one but herself.]]

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** There's also the canon ending for Tactics Ogre: The Knight Of Lodis. See the DownerEnding above. \n* TheWoobie - [[spoiler:Chaotic route in ''Let Us Cling Together''. Just when Ravness could've followed things right with her heart, Leonard reveals her half-Gargastan route... then Vice kills her on spot. You'll probably feel sorry for her at that point.]]\n** [[spoiler: It’s hard not to feel sorry for Cressida in the chaotic route. Not only does she lose her sister, mother, and possible brother-in-law from war, her father doesn’t seem the least bit concerned about it. While Nybbas’ two other children have each other, Cressida is all alone with no one but herself.]]



* WhatAnIdiot -- Duke Ronway underestimates Denim, Kachua, Vice and Leonard. Seriously, if you know that someone is willing to either massacre a whole town or go it alone and survive, you do not piss him off.

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* WhatAnIdiot -- WhatAnIdiot: Duke Ronway underestimates Denim, Kachua, Vice and Leonard. Seriously, if you know that someone is willing to either massacre a whole town or go it alone and survive, you do not piss him off.off.
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Chaotic route in ''Let Us Cling Together''. Just when Ravness could've followed things right with her heart, Leonard reveals her half-Gargastan route... then Vice kills her on spot. You'll probably feel sorry for her at that point.]]
** [[spoiler: It’s hard not to feel sorry for Cressida in the chaotic route. Not only does she lose her sister, mother, and possible brother-in-law from war, her father doesn’t seem the least bit concerned about it. While Nybbas’ two other children have each other, Cressida is all alone with no one but herself.]]
31st Jul '11 3:06:05 AM Tyoria
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* MissedMomentOfAwesome: The PSP of Tactics Ogre remake sadly removed the iconic "[[CatchPhrase FIGHT IT OUT]]" phrase.
17th Jul '11 3:29:28 AM Ramidel
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* ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked: Granted, Alocer would have fit a bit better (and have been more faithful to the source material) but fans weren't glad that her name was changed to Arycelle.



* ILikedItBetterWhenItSucked: Granted, Alocer would have fit a bit better (and have been more faithful to the source material) but fans weren't glad that her name was changed to Arycelle.
6th May '11 6:24:10 PM Ghilz
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* EvilIsSexy: Deneb, Endora.
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