History YMMV / NineteenEightyFour

24th Jul '17 6:08:22 AM Hawaii_Knut
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* MemeticMutation: This is the work that informs modern life, with "Big Brother" and "BigBrotherIsWatching You," "doublethink," "{{Unperson}}," "thought crime," and "thought police," and "Room101". While we're at it, there's the [[strike:the war with Eastasia]] Eastasia is our ally. We were always at war with Eurasia. Really, the government in the novel communicates to the public almost entirely through memes.

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* MemeticMutation: This is the work that informs modern life, with "Big Brother" and "BigBrotherIsWatching You," "doublethink," "{{Unperson}}," "thought crime," and "thought police," "2+2=5," and "Room101". While we're at it, there's the [[strike:the war with Eastasia]] Eastasia is our ally. We were always at war with Eurasia. Really, the government in the novel communicates to the public almost entirely through memes.
23rd Jul '17 4:02:14 PM Ansongc2000
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* ValuesResonance: TheWarOnTerror created a world where government-enforced surveillance gets uncomfortably close to what Orwell wrote. Subverted in that the proliferation of video capture devices have been used ''against'' authority as well. Also, in that most Western democracies that practice heavy surveillance do not routinely engage in show trials against political enemies which result in mass public executions.

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*SocietyMarchesOn: In general, totalitarian regimes are still feared today, as well they should be, but as shown on the Headscratchers page, since Orwell's death we've gotten much more insight into the inner-workings ([[RepressiveButInefficient or lack therof) of such governments, and the idea of such a state in an AlreadyWon position that will last forever has been deconstructed.
** Their prediliction towards corruption and ChronicBackStabbingDisorder is Handwaved by O'Brien stating that Inner Party Members DoubleThink that they are the Party, and that the Party is controlling them, but it's doubtful such an idealogy would work very well, especially given what's said below.
** Psychology has come a long way, especially in regards to the kind of people at the top of such regimes. The novel presents O'Brien, the effective face of the Inner Party, as ruthless, cunning, sadistic, yet loyal and sophisticated. The Headscratcher pages makes it clear that even in 1949, the constant purges of anyone out-of-the-ordinary and ChronicBackStabbingDisorder were showing that in such regimes, you're either a dull, incompotent bearuecrat who only makes rent by taking bribes, or a total psychopath who gives good speeches, but would rather just torture you right away than explain the Party's philosophy, and wouldn't DoubleThink diddley-squat if it meant living in squalor and fear of other such people.
** The idea of a perpetual war, especially one that was constantly and literally hitting close to home, as a good way to maintain public support should've been disproven after World War 1, and is now laughed at in the U.S. due to Vietnam and Iraq.
* ValuesResonance: Values Dissonance:
** The Party's arbitrary changing of their enemies and allies in the possibly-fictional war makes sense both in-universe and out, as a display of their power, and a reference to how the USSR reacted to Hitler's betrayal. However, even vaguely insinuating that in a war based of WWII, that all sides are the name the the war crimes of one state are propaganda would probably, and ironically, get Orwell compared to Holocaust Deniers.
** Despite its strong female lead, the novel has been accused of misogyny in how Winston notes that all the party's fanatic followers are women, and how even Julia's appearance is so often emphasized as very important.
** The idea of NewSpeak, and how some languages or dialects are inherently superior to others, is ScienceMarchesOn at best, and elitist/imperialistic at worst.
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TheWarOnTerror created a world where government-enforced surveillance gets uncomfortably close to what Orwell wrote. Subverted in that the proliferation of video capture devices have been used ''against'' authority as well. Also, in that most Western democracies that practice heavy surveillance do not routinely engage in show trials against political enemies which result in mass public executions.
20th Jul '17 10:37:37 PM JackTheHammer
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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for an anti-communist organization around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say, WriteWhatYouKnow......

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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for an anti-communist organization around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.[[http://web.archive.org/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say, WriteWhatYouKnow......
18th Jul '17 11:36:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** This troper found the idea of a "holiday" called Hate Week hilarious.

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** This troper found the The idea of a "holiday" called Hate Week hilarious.Week.
18th Jul '17 11:32:46 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* MisaimedFandom: If you think Orwell was solely attacking DirtyCommunists (or, worse, liberals), you've missed the point. Fascist totalitarian regimes and religious theocracies can grow from other movements as well. The reverse is true as well.

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If you think Orwell was solely attacking DirtyCommunists (or, worse, liberals), you've missed the point. Fascist totalitarian regimes and religious theocracies can grow from other movements as well. The reverse is true as well.



** The novel is highly popular among LGBT groups who see the novel's portrayal of constant surveillance, thoughtcrime, and enforcement of ideology as a metaphor for heteronormative society forcing people to remain in the closet, with Winston and Julia's admittedly straight but forbidden romance a reflection of how they had to find love. Indeed Music/DavidBowie planned a musical adaptation of the novel (which eventually got worked into Music/DiamondDogs) that would focus on this aspect of the book. It's quite a shock to learn that Orwell was himself a lifelong homophobe and that at Eton he, as a Prefect, would rat out students he suspected of being gay.


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* PeripheryDemographic: The novel is highly popular among LGBT groups who see the novel's portrayal of constant surveillance, thoughtcrime, and enforcement of ideology as a metaphor for how the existence of heterosexual peoples and today's heteronormative society forces LGBT peoples to remain in the closet, with Winston and Julia's admittedly straight but forbidden romance a reflection of how they had to find love. Indeed Music/DavidBowie planned a musical adaptation of the novel (which eventually got worked into Music/DiamondDogs) that would focus on this aspect of the book. With that in mind, it can be quite a shock to learn that Orwell was himself a lifelong and dedicated homophobe and that at Eton he, as a Prefect, would rat out students he suspected of being gay.
16th Jul '17 1:51:31 AM SeveralCakes
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** This troper found the idea of a "holiday" called Hate Week hilarious.
2nd Jul '17 11:53:57 AM Dedars1
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buGo4dm5xGI Julia]]'s theme.
23rd Jun '17 11:16:54 AM JulianLapostat
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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for an anti-communist organization around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say, WriteWhatYouKnow......
23rd Jun '17 6:40:10 AM Beelzebibble
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** Even the calculation "2+2=5" can become true, as the word "five" is just a signifier attached to a particular meaning. If you are brainwashed into ''knowing'' that the signifier word "five" actually refers to the concept we recognise as "four", then 2+2 can indeed = 5.
14th Jun '17 4:50:56 PM TheD3rp
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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for the Secret Service and collaborated with UK's secret service around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say, WriteWhatYouKnow......
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