History YMMV / NineteenEightyFour

28th Sep '16 8:01:52 PM mitcher
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** The year 1984 itself is allegedly taken from [[http://arlindo-correia.com/101103.html a poem about a bad future written by Orwell's first wife]]. Before that, ''Literature/TheIronHeel'' had used 1984 as an important year in its' setting and G.K Chesterton's ''The Napoleon of Notting Hill'' was set in the year 1984.

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** The year 1984 itself is allegedly taken from [[http://arlindo-correia.com/101103.html a poem about a bad future written by Orwell's first wife]]. Before that, ''Literature/TheIronHeel'' had used 1984 as an important year in its' setting and G.K Chesterton's Creator/GKChesterton's dystopian novel, ''The Napoleon of Notting Hill'' was set in the year 1984.
28th Sep '16 8:19:13 AM mitcher
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** The year 1984 itself is allegedly taken from [[http://arlindo-correia.com/101103.html a poem about a bad future written by Orwell's first wife]]. Before that, ''Literature/TheIronHeel'' had used 1984 as an important year in its' setting and G.K Chesterton's ''The Napoleon of Notting Hill'' was set in the year 1984.
28th Sep '16 8:07:59 AM mitcher
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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for the Secret Service and collaborated with UK's secret service around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say WriteWhatYouKnow

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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for the Secret Service and collaborated with UK's secret service around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say WriteWhatYouKnowsay, WriteWhatYouKnow......
25th Sep '16 3:47:28 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Also, since he doesn't leave Airstrip One, we have no clue as to the state of the world -- is Oceania real? Is it the entire world? Is there a Brotherhood after all? Nothing can be taken for granted, even the InfoDump book that pops up halfway through (''especially'' the book, given that one of the Inner Party members claims credit for its authorship, and hands out copies).
*** It's a little bit of a stretch but we can't be exactly sure if Party even controls all of the British Isle. Could be half of it, just [[UsefulNotes/{{Britain}} England]] or hell, maybe only London and its imminent surrounding. Which might explain whole "running out of resources" thing.
** A common suggestion is that the 'scholarly' appendix on Newspeak is written in a manner that deliberately subverts this DownerEnding, given that it ''is'' written in the past tense...
*** When 1984 was to first be published in [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates America]], the publisher wished to remove the appendix, but Orwell refused to have it published without, saying that the book would have to be reworked if such a large chunk was to be cut out. This incident, along with a few hand-picked statements of Orwell around the time the book was written, form the basis for including the appendix into the work.
*** We explicitly never do learn if there's a Brotherhood or not. An alternate, admittedly optimistic interpretation would be that the Brotherhood did exist and that O'Brien was part of it, and that Winston and Julia's capture and death were in fact due to the latter's refusal to give up everything for the Brotherhood. Granted, that'd just make the Brotherhood no better than the Party. Or, alternatively, they just messed up somehow and got caught, and O'Brien couldn't say anything, because ''[[ArcWords Big Brother is watching]]''.

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** Is O'Brian Big Brother, living as a Higher Party member ''and'' a Brotherhood leader, giving him the perfect alibi? Or is there no Big Brother at all, no single leader, with a group of mutually-controlled Higher Party member who doublethink the existence of a higher tyrant being the only tangible government?
** Also, since he doesn't leave Airstrip One, we have no clue as to the state of the world -- is Oceania real? Is it the entire world? Is there a Brotherhood after all? Nothing can be taken for granted, even the InfoDump book that pops up halfway through (''especially'' the book, given that one of the Inner Party members claims credit for its authorship, and hands out copies).
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copies). In fact, it's a little bit of a stretch but we can't be exactly sure if Party even controls all of the British Isle. Could be half of it, just [[UsefulNotes/{{Britain}} England]] or hell, maybe only London and its imminent surrounding. Which might explain whole "running out of resources" thing.
** A common suggestion is that the 'scholarly' appendix on Newspeak is written in a manner that deliberately subverts this DownerEnding, given that it ''is'' written in the past tense...
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tense... When 1984 was to first be published in [[UsefulNotes/TheUnitedStates America]], the publisher wished to remove the appendix, but Orwell refused to have it published without, saying that the book would have to be reworked if such a large chunk was to be cut out. This incident, along with a few hand-picked statements of Orwell around the time the book was written, form the basis for including the appendix into the work.
*** ** We explicitly never do learn if there's a Brotherhood or not. An alternate, admittedly optimistic interpretation would be that the Brotherhood did exist and that O'Brien was part of it, and that Winston and Julia's capture and death were in fact due to the latter's refusal to give up everything for the Brotherhood. Granted, that'd just make the Brotherhood no better than the Party. Or, alternatively, they just messed up somehow and got caught, and O'Brien couldn't say anything, because ''[[ArcWords Big Brother is watching]]''.
22nd Sep '16 5:55:39 AM Ulysses21
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* MetaphoricallyTrue:
** The names of the Ministries (Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Love, Ministry of Plenty, Ministry of Peace) can be perfectly true from The Party's point of view, rather than ironic. Minitru doesn't falsify or lie, it corrects the past to show the new truth, which having been corrected has now always been the truth; Minipax maintains ''internal'' peace by continually waging ''external'' war; the goal of Miniluv is for everyone to love Big Brother and The Party; and Miniplenty is in control of Oceania's economy, which appears to actually be very strong but is directed almost solely towards creating weapons and large public gestures which do not actually improve the lives of the population but keep their minds occupied.
** Even the calculation "2+2=5" can become true, as the word "five" is just a signifier attached to a particular meaning. If you are brainwashed into ''knowing'' that the signifier word "five" actually refers to the concept we recognise as "four", then 2+2 can indeed = 5.
3rd Sep '16 11:08:13 AM JulianLapostat
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** The revelations in the 21st Century that Orwell himself [[http://www.openculture.com/2015/02/george-orwell-communist-list.html composed a list of suspected subversives]] for the Secret Service and collaborated with UK's secret service around the same time he finished 1984 has left many people noting that Orwell himself came to love Big Brother and approved some measure of surveillance on targeted citizens, [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero such as "anti-white" Paul Robeson]], Creator/CharlieChaplin and others who are potentially "jewish". Later revelations have likewise exposed that for all of Orwell's criticism of language creating propaganda and hiding the truth in 1984, he himself has a huge history of [[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/19/orwell-s-big-fat-lies-his-diaries-reveal-problems-with-the-truth.html exaggerating and outright lying]] about some of the events he covered. As they say WriteWhatYouKnow
1st Sep '16 4:27:34 PM mitcher
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*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that subtly plays over three key scenes -- Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, [[DespairEventHorizon eventually betraying Julia.]]]] -- and in the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.

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*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that subtly plays over three key scenes -- Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston [[SoundtrackDissonance Winston being tortured in Room 101, 101]], [[DespairEventHorizon eventually betraying Julia.]]]] ]] -- and in the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.
27th Aug '16 5:54:51 AM mitcher
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* FunnyMoments: There is actually one in the film. During the Two Minute Hate, Julia goes so berserk with rage, throwing her shoe at th screen, O'Brien stares at her in incredulity. Knowing what we learn later in the story, it's downright hilarious.

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* FunnyMoments: There is actually one in the film. During the Two Minute Hate, Julia goes so berserk with rage, throwing her shoe at th the screen, O'Brien stares at her in incredulity. Knowing what we learn later in the story, it's downright hilarious.



*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that plays over three key scenes--Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, [[DespairEventHorizon eventually betraying Julia.]]]]--and the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.

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*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that subtly plays over three key scenes--Winston scenes -- Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, [[DespairEventHorizon eventually betraying Julia.]]]]--and ]]]] -- and in the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.
27th Aug '16 5:44:36 AM mitcher
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** [[DespairEventHorizon "Do it to Julia!"]]

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** [[DespairEventHorizon "Do it to Julia!"]]Julia!"]], ''especially'' in the film, see below.



*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that plays over three key scenes--Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, eventually betraying Julia.]]--and the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.

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*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that plays over three key scenes--Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, [[DespairEventHorizon eventually betraying Julia.]]--and ]]]]--and the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.
27th Aug '16 5:39:41 AM mitcher
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*** Also from the film, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3ba7cDT0U "Julia"]], a recurring piece that plays over three key scenes--Winston meeting Julia outside Charrington's shop, their first meeting in the forest, and [[spoiler:Winston being tortured in Room 101, eventually betraying Julia.]]--and the credits. It is a heartbreaking poetic ballad that beautifully describes the two main character's impossible love, with a sense of longing and hope.
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