History YMMV / NieR

10th Dec '17 4:28:47 AM TypeProton
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** Whether the protagonist (both version) is good or not, seeing that he [[spoiler:ultimately have a hand in subjecting humanity to extinction just to save his family]].

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** Whether the protagonist (both version) is good or not, seeing that he [[spoiler:ultimately have a hand in subjecting humanity to extinction just to save his family]]. See the entry for {{Applicability}} below.
10th Dec '17 4:28:05 AM TypeProton
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**Whether the protagonist (both version) is good or not, seeing that he [[spoiler:ultimately have a hand in subjecting humanity to extinction just to save his family]].
7th Dec '17 9:44:00 PM NanoMoose
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-->'''Popola''': [[spoiler: [[SuddenlyShouting NO ONE STOPS!! It's way too late to STOP!! NO ONE STOOOOOPS!!]]]]
* OlderThanTheyThink: Many critics and gamers have praised ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' for creating an experience where the main protagonist [[spoiler:unknowingly kills innocents and which shows the consequences of acting with little understanding of the circumstance, its depressing tone with no clear answers, and its deconstruction of heroism]], but this game beat it to the punch two years earlier.

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-->'''Popola''': [[spoiler: [[SuddenlyShouting NO ONE STOPS!! STOPS! It's way too late to STOP!! STOP! NO ONE STOOOOOPS!!]]]]
STOOOOOPS!]]]]
* OlderThanTheyThink: Many critics and gamers have praised ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' for creating an experience where and ''VideoGame/{{Nier}}'' take the main protagonist [[spoiler:unknowingly kills innocents and which shows the consequences of acting with little understanding of the circumstance, its depressing tone with no clear answers, and its deconstruction of heroism]], but this same blowtorch to two game beat it to genres that rely on the punch same paradox - saving people by killing people. ''Nier'' pre-dates ''The Line'' by two years earlier.years.



** Although maybe not as strong a punch, learning what happened in the prologue counts, namely [[spoiler:that the Nier we spent the opening ten minutes playing as transforms into The Shadowlord, and will spent the next 1,312/1,412 years trying to (and failing) to save and reunite with Yonah, only for him to be killed by the Nier we have been playing as for most of the game and his Yonah deciding it's not right to take the current Yonah's body for her own since she keeps crying out to Nier, leaving her body and essentially committing suicide by stepping into bright sunlight flooding from a nearby window a few moments before that.]]
** Killing [[spoiler:each of the Shades]] despite clearly knowing their tragic backstories.
*** The second boss of the Junkheap gives quite a shocker on your second playthrough by revealing that [[spoiler:the little shade the boss was guarding was a little kid who's mother just died. And just like before, once the boss is down, the shade has to be killed to finish the fight. Good luck mustering the strength to continue after that.]]
* SpiritualAdaptation: A number consider this the best video game adaptation of Literature/IAmLegend.

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** Although maybe not as strong a punch, learning what happened in the prologue counts, namely [[spoiler:that the Nier we spent the opening ten minutes playing as transforms into becomes The Shadowlord, and will spent the next 1,312/1,412 years trying to (and failing) to save and reunite with Yonah, only for his Yonah to essentially commit suicide by stepping into bright sunlight, causing him to allow himself to be killed by the Nier we have been playing as for most of the game and his Yonah deciding it's not right to take the current Yonah's body for her own since she keeps crying out to Nier, leaving her body and essentially committing suicide by stepping into bright sunlight flooding from a nearby window a few moments before that.game.]]
** Killing [[spoiler:each of the Shades]] despite clearly knowing their tragic backstories.
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backstories. The second boss of the Junkheap Junk Heap gives quite a shocker on your second playthrough by revealing that [[spoiler:the little shade the boss was guarding was a little kid who's mother just died. And just like before, once the boss is down, the shade has to be killed to finish the fight. Good luck mustering the strength to continue after that.]]
* SpiritualAdaptation: A number consider this the best video game adaptation of Literature/IAmLegend.''Literature/IAmLegend.''



** The Runaway Son. You have to run about half-way around the world to bring the little bugger back! And then [[spoiler:it turns out you were being scammed the whole time.]] Worse yet, [[spoiler:you get no reward for completing it.]]
** Life in the Sands. You have to get 10 pink moonflower seeds. Trouble is you can't find them anywhere, and t/he only moonflower seeds you can buy are red, gold, and blue. To get pink seeds, you have to hybridize gold and blue moonflower seeds by planting them next to one another to have a small chance to get indigo seeds, then hybridize those with red seeds to get pink seeds. Oh, did I mention that [[AntiPoopSocking it takes about 36 real-time hours to be able to harvest these seeds unless you screw around with the system clock?]] And that after all that time, there's no guarantee that you'll get the hybrid seeds? And that the game never even gives you anything resembling the vaguest of hints that you can even hybridize plants to begin with? [[OverlyLongGag AND that the end result of the seeds is determined]] [[NoFairCheating when you first plant them]] [[OverlyLongGag to make it impossible to get them easily via]] SaveScumming?

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** The Runaway Son. You have to run about half-way around the world to bring the little bugger back! And then [[spoiler:it turns out you were being scammed the whole time.]] time]]. Worse yet, [[spoiler:you get no reward for completing it.]]
it]].
** Life in the Sands. You have to get 10 pink moonflower seeds. Trouble is you can't find them anywhere, and t/he only moonflower seeds you can buy are red, gold, and blue. To get pink seeds, you have to hybridize gold and blue moonflower seeds by planting them next to one another to have a small chance to get indigo seeds, then hybridize those with red seeds to get pink seeds. Oh, did I mention that [[AntiPoopSocking it takes about 36 real-time hours to be able to harvest these seeds unless you screw around with the system clock?]] And that after all that time, there's no guarantee that you'll get the hybrid seeds? And that the game never even gives you anything resembling the vaguest of hints that you can even hybridize plants to begin with? [[OverlyLongGag AND ''and'' that the end result of the seeds is determined]] determined [[NoFairCheating when you first plant them]] [[OverlyLongGag to make it impossible to get them easily via]] SaveScumming?



* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was largely forgotten. Nowadays, it is generally well-regarded as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR=] Automata'', and the subsequent acclaim and surprisingly strong sales that followed has only drawn more attention to its predecessor.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested uninterested gamers and was largely forgotten. Nowadays, it is generally well-regarded as a great game.well-regarded. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR=] Automata'', and the subsequent acclaim and surprisingly strong sales that followed has only drawn more attention to its predecessor.
29th Oct '17 4:22:43 PM Draghinazzo
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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was forgotten. Nowadays it is well-known as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR=] Automata'', and the subsequent acclaim and surprisingly strong sales that followed has only drawn more attention to its predecessor.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was largely forgotten. Nowadays Nowadays, it is well-known generally well-regarded as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR=] Automata'', and the subsequent acclaim and surprisingly strong sales that followed has only drawn more attention to its predecessor.
29th Oct '17 4:14:49 PM Draghinazzo
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* MorePopularSpinOff: A lot of people were not even aware of the game's connection to the ''Drakengard'' franchise when they first played it, since the marketing didn't mention it and its references to ''Drakengard'' are vague. Even now that this connection is more well-known, people are far more likely to be familiar with this game than the series that it spawned from. It's gotten the most attention from critics and general audiences since its release for its storytelling and music, and even within the ''Drakengard'' fandom proper it's frequently considered to be the best game in the series.

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* MorePopularSpinOff: A lot of people were not even aware of the game's connection to the ''Drakengard'' franchise when they first played it, since the marketing didn't mention it and its references to ''Drakengard'' are vague. Even now that this connection is much more well-known, people are far more likely to be familiar with this game and especially its sequel [=NieR Automata=] than the series that it spawned from. It's gotten the most attention from critics and general audiences since its release for its storytelling and music, and even within the ''Drakengard'' fandom proper it's frequently considered to be the best game in the series.original Drakengard games.
27th Aug '17 7:50:30 AM TastySauce
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Falls into this for a lot of people due to being a really depressing, tragic story, but many people find it easier to become invested in this game compared to the rest of the Drakengard franchise due to its more sympathetic (if still heavily flawed) characters and heartwarming moments.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Falls into this for a lot of people due to being a really depressing, tragic story, but many people find it easier to become invested in this game compared to the rest of the Drakengard ''Drakengard'' franchise due to its more sympathetic (if still heavily flawed) characters and heartwarming moments.



* MorePopularSpinOff: A lot of people were not even aware of the game's connection to the Drakengard franchise when they first played it, since the marketing didn't mention it and its references to Drakengard are vague. Even now that this connection is more well-known, people are far more likely to be familiar with this game than the series that it spawned from. It's gotten the most attention from critics and general audiences since its release for its storytelling and music, and even within the Drakengard fandom proper it's frequently considered to be the best game in the series.

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* MorePopularSpinOff: A lot of people were not even aware of the game's connection to the Drakengard ''Drakengard'' franchise when they first played it, since the marketing didn't mention it and its references to Drakengard ''Drakengard'' are vague. Even now that this connection is more well-known, people are far more likely to be familiar with this game than the series that it spawned from. It's gotten the most attention from critics and general audiences since its release for its storytelling and music, and even within the Drakengard ''Drakengard'' fandom proper it's frequently considered to be the best game in the series.
6th Jul '17 12:52:50 PM EnigmaLobo
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** Popola [[spoiler: slowly going berserk with grief and vengeance, upon witnessing her twin sister Devola dying in her arm, is both this and a TearJerker. Especially notable when throughout the entire story, Popola was mostly seen as the quieter and more reserved of the two]].
-->'''Popola''': [[spoiler: Stop? Stop? You want me to stop? You think I have the luxury to stop? You cut down my sister like an animal...[[RageBreakingPoint and you tell me to STOP?]]]]
-->'''Emil''': [[spoiler: Popola, wait! It doesn't have to--]]
-->'''Popola''': [[spoiler: [[SuddenlyShouting NO ONE STOPS!! It's way too late to STOP!! NO ONE STOOOOOPS!!]]]]
23rd Jun '17 3:58:45 PM TypeProton
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** In fact, Taro Yoko, in another interview, explained, at the least, the theme that was in his head. Namely? "Is it right to kill for Justice." Followed by, "What is "Justice"...as Nier was inspired by the post 9/11 attitudes.

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** In fact, Taro Yoko, in another interview, explained, at the least, the theme that was in his head. Namely? "Is it right to kill for Justice." Followed by, "What is "Justice"...as Nier was inspired by the [[TheWarOnTerror post 9/11 attitudes.attitudes]].
29th May '17 9:08:15 PM Draghinazzo
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** Life in the Sands. You have to get 10 pink moonflower seeds. Trouble is you can't find them anywhere, and the only moonflower seeds you can buy are red, gold, and blue. To get pink seeds, you have to hybridize gold and blue moonflower seeds by planting them next to one another to have a small chance to get indigo seeds, then hybridize those with red seeds to get pink seeds. Oh, did I mention that [[AntiPoopSocking it takes about 36 real-time hours to be able to harvest these seeds unless you screw around with the system clock?]] And that after all that time, there's no guarantee that you'll get the hybrid seeds? And that the game never even gives you anything resembling the vaguest of hints that you can even hybridize plants to begin with? [[OverlyLongGag AND that the end result of the seeds is determined]] [[NoFairCheating when you first plant them]] [[OverlyLongGag to make it impossible to get them easily via]] SaveScumming?

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** Life in the Sands. You have to get 10 pink moonflower seeds. Trouble is you can't find them anywhere, and the t/he only moonflower seeds you can buy are red, gold, and blue. To get pink seeds, you have to hybridize gold and blue moonflower seeds by planting them next to one another to have a small chance to get indigo seeds, then hybridize those with red seeds to get pink seeds. Oh, did I mention that [[AntiPoopSocking it takes about 36 real-time hours to be able to harvest these seeds unless you screw around with the system clock?]] And that after all that time, there's no guarantee that you'll get the hybrid seeds? And that the game never even gives you anything resembling the vaguest of hints that you can even hybridize plants to begin with? [[OverlyLongGag AND that the end result of the seeds is determined]] [[NoFairCheating when you first plant them]] [[OverlyLongGag to make it impossible to get them easily via]] SaveScumming?



* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was forgotten. Nowadays it is well-known as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR] Automata''. Its critical acclaim and commercial success has only generated more interest in its predecessor.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was forgotten. Nowadays it is well-known as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following helped pave the way for a sequel, ''[=NieR] Automata''. Its critical ''[=NieR=] Automata'', and the subsequent acclaim and commercial success surprisingly strong sales that followed has only generated drawn more interest in attention to its predecessor.
24th May '17 9:38:24 PM Draghinazzo
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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was forgotten. Nowadays it is well-known as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its cult following and passionate fanbase helped pave the way for a sequel, [[VideoGame/NieRAutomata]]. Its critical acclaim and commercial success has only generated more interest in its predecessor.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it first came out, the game was left to rot on store shelves by non interested gamers and was forgotten. Nowadays it is well-known as a great game. For just one example, Joystiq initially slapped the game with a zero, only for them to later acknowledge it as one of the best games of the last decade. Its passionate cult following and passionate fanbase helped pave the way for a sequel, [[VideoGame/NieRAutomata]].''[=NieR] Automata''. Its critical acclaim and commercial success has only generated more interest in its predecessor.
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